Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:12 pm Post subject: [Discussion] Saki Post Rating: 0
I'm surprised no one started a discussion on Saki yet.
I thought Utsukushii Rinjin was a great drama, addictive even. So it's great to see Nakama Yukie reprise her role as Saki.
Although I cannot seem to see any direct link between the plot in Saki and the one in Utsukushii Rinjin, there are a lot of hints pointing at Utsukushii Rinjin.
So far I've noticed:
- The rocking chair
- The toy plane in Episode 2
- Her brother is called Hayato
- The cafe with the waterfall in the background also in Episode 2
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:52 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Here it is being reported that:
"According to the producers, we will see the same ‘Meyer Saki’ we got to know, hate, and love in ‘Utsukushii Rinjin’, but they want to tell us a completely different story rather than forcing a direct sequel. Therefore, it has been also necessary to replace every character except for ‘Saki’."
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:36 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Well...
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She dies in the end of Utsukushii Rinjin, so I don't think it can be a sequel
It doesn't look like it's a prequel either, from what I can understand. It seems to be an alternate story of Saki, which has no ties to Utsukushii Rinjin. But the producers are leaving some hints here and there linking the 2. I haven't noticed anything else apart from those in the original post.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:01 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Haven't seen Utsukushii Rinjin, but my interest is piqued now. For this show the background info is lacking a bit. All I can make up from the pieces of info is that Saki is on a sophisticated killing spree mainly because of pure rage caused by the fact she was thrown away by her orignal parents. The targets can't be all that random though (all men also), maybe some specifiic targets of revenge because those people were the indirect reasons she was cast away.
So far I'm loving this jdrama just for the fact that the interactions with Saki and his victims are pretty painfull to watch. I know I would fall for every trick she used, although certain ones were too good to be true if a guy would take some time to think. It just shows that Chris Rock's sayings in his shows are true: We men just can't run that fast if women are chasing us.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:26 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I was wondering why there was not a discussion up about this a few days back, since I was curious if anyone finds this series a bit creepy! But it is rather interesting, I really want to see how these people became "part of the story" she says even in the first episode
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"that these people are meeting me for the second time" or something like that
So I cannot wait to see that connection, I hope it will surface one way or another.
Does anyone know what that meat in her fridge is? Gah, her dinners are sometimes a bit too much for me, but those four special delivery bits look like pork chops to me rather than steak but I know nothing about meat. Sorry for such a stupid question, I cannot stop wondering though, because it seems to be such a big deal for her.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:31 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
anolibb wrote:
I was wondering why there was not a discussion up about this a few days back, since I was curious if anyone finds this series a bit creepy! But it is rather interesting, I really want to see how these people became "part of the story" she says even in the first episode
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"that these people are meeting me for the second time" or something like that
So I cannot wait to see that connection, I hope it will surface one way or another.
Does anyone know what that meat in her fridge is? Gah, her dinners are sometimes a bit too much for me, but those four special delivery bits look like pork chops to me rather than steak but I know nothing about meat. Sorry for such a stupid question, I cannot stop wondering though, because it seems to be such a big deal for her.
It was creeping me out seeing the titles of all those books regarding psychology and the criminal mind. Either she was trying to become an unbeatable psycho criminal, or she needed that specific knowledge to defeat some of those.
Regarding the meat and her dinners: I think the meat is Wagyuu beef or something similar (very fatty/juicy meat and rather expensive like the abalone and crab). The dinners probably are symbolic for her role and those of the men. Saki as the vicious, cunning carnivore enjoying the spoils of her hunt. The men as juicy, helpless targets just unable to escape their looming demise.
I think she has a steak for every remaining target in her fridge, so it seems like her little brother might also be one of them.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:01 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
OO0nMe wrote:
It was creeping me out seeing the titles of all those books regarding psychology and the criminal mind. Either she was trying to become an unbeatable psycho criminal, or she needed that specific knowledge to defeat some of those.
It's pretty morbid at times I think (because of these books), but I really want to know her story behind it. I wonder if she ever met them before. It's proper scary when she leads everyone on into her trap. Well, her first target seemed to be easy so far, I look forward to the others though as I expect it's harder when you cannot use alcohol and stuff like that alone to deceive.
OO0nMe wrote:
Regarding the meat and her dinners: I think the meat is Wagyuu beef or something similar (very fatty/juicy meat and rather expensive like the abalone and crab). The dinners probably are symbolic for her role and those of the men. Saki as the vicious, cunning carnivore enjoying the spoils of her hunt. The men as juicy, helpless targets just unable to escape their looming demise.
I think she has a steak for every remaining target in her fridge, so it seems like her little brother might also be one of them.
I see, that could be it, it does look expensive...
The number of the meat is the number of the people she is aiming at I think too, but that obsession about the wine, and the year of them having to match in age!!
Good thing the girlfriend looks like she is picking up on the stuff tho, so you never know what's going to happen, hope it won't all go according to Saki's plans though... I have not seen Utsukushii Rinjin either, so I don't know how twisted the story itself could get. I hope she won't try to make Hayato fall for her or anything tho ~ uh.
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:56 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Excuse my ignorance on this matter, but I'll give it a shot. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I was watching Tonbi earlier this week, and in that drama, they were discussing buying pork for tonkatsu because it rhymes with katsu, i.e. victory. Could this be a play on that homonym too?
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:56 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Tonkatsu is deep-fried pork cutlet, so that couldn't be it in this case. And to speak for Saki: just winning doesn't cut it, it's much more vicious like driving them into despair and total obliteration.
The girlfriend saw that scene of Saki without the red gloves her brother gave her, but she doesn't seem to have enough backbone to tell on her. The female publisher and the brother on the other hand are more likely to oppose Saki. But the thing is, could see even be prosecuted by law for her actions? And then what about evidence?
Also I think for Saki somewhere there has to be a financial motive too. I mean how come her brother and the other guys don't find it strange that she lives in such an expensive condo? Same for the expensive food and wine. I don't think a nurse makes that much money a year (at least not where I live ), so that has to come from her victims.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:18 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
OO0nMe wrote:
Tonkatsu is deep-fried pork cutlet, so that couldn't be it in this case. And to speak for Saki: just winning doesn't cut it, it's much more vicious like driving them into despair and total obliteration.
The girlfriend saw that scene of Saki without the red gloves her brother gave her, but she doesn't seem to have enough backbone to tell on her. The female publisher and the brother on the other hand are more likely to oppose Saki. But the thing is, could see even be prosecuted by law for her actions? And then what about evidence?
Also I think for Saki somewhere there has to be a financial motive too. I mean how come her brother and the other guys don't find it strange that she lives in such an expensive condo? Same for the expensive food and wine. I don't think a nurse makes that much money a year (at least not where I live ), so that has to come from her victims.
I think you are right and it is Wagyuu beef. It's just probably very specially selected part of an exclusively reared cattle with all fat trimmed off from around it.
Effectively I was told that psychological bullying can end in physical harm in the eye of the law. But then again I think it is a constant debate over cases of establishing the facts and evidences, so it must be very hard.
In Saki's case I don't think it's that easy to drive someone off to suicide. Hence I think her first target with that "abnormality" of his was easier to bully, I want to see her action in the following ones, the hospital director and Hayato seems to be a little bit more "down to earth".
I did wonder about money too, she is able to spend so much! I also found that weird from a nurse's pay so I think there will be an answer coming to that.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:10 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Wow, lots of big revelations in EP06! I can't decide which one is bigger though.
Nice display of some classic (imho ) female charms. You just don't want a beautiful woman to be angry with you or making her cry. Also good to see that the little brother is doubting Saki's feelings/intentions, as she's apparently moved on from her dead boyfriend (the lawyer) to the airco man that quickly. Ofcourse she would have a good excuse if she tells him they broke up earlier because the guy was deeply in love with someone else, but that would also give people new leads to how she did IT.
Regarding the revelations: I was wrong about the number of steaks. Only 3 left in the fridge, so that means the airco man, director and wine guy. The little brother therefore shouldn't be a target, unless she kills two birds with one stone...
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:08 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I have seen half of ep6 and I am also glad to see some suspicion rising. Shame she never leaves any evidence.
Though I have to admit, despite wanting to know the background story, I could never re-watch this show.
I was wondering about the number of steaks, but I think they did that on purpose, for the viewers not to know whether in the end it's the wine man or the little brother. Or alternatively, she is planning something of an even bigger feast for the little brother.
I thought that the amount of books she has also must have cost a fortune. Her room almost looks like an expensive university library. Strange, really.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:39 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Hello! I'm so happy there's a thread for Saki. I've started watching it yesterday and I've been on a roll since^^ Many, many questions , and points of view to be shared on this drama.
First, I couldn't understand what Saki gained from driving people to suicide. I thought there was some kind of financial gain, but it doesn't seem to be the case, even though I'm kind of surprised by the way she lives: luxury condo, lavish food and wine...
Secondly, even though it's pretty obvious she doesn't have people well-being at heart, the way she manages to unsettle people's lives around her raises, for me at least, all kind of questions. I mean, of course she's a manipulative, cold-hearted and cold-blooded woman , but we can wonder about how , unconsciously, her victims allow her to take power on them. It's not that I'm blaming them, because every time, she seems well documented about their weaknesses, still, she barges into their lives,seemingly giving them something they lack (love, or the promise of love, self-confidence), and without realizing it, they give her complete command of their lives. I suppose that's the way gurus in sects act:pointing at your flaws and selling you the promise of relief. What I mean is: in what extent it is acceptable to subject oneself to someone's judgement, and to relinquish a part of one's will to someone? When does one start to lose control? I think those are the questions ,among many others, raised by this drama.
Thirdly, when does she get time to investigate on her victims? That baffles me lol
And concerning the food, I think it's pretty symbolic: she's a woman who enjoys "devouring" her victims, and that makes her pretty monstruous.
Well, I'll stop my essay here, I'm looking forward to discuss with other viewers^^
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), so that has to come from her victims.
Also good to see that the little brother is doubting Saki's feelings/intentions, as she's apparently moved on from her dead boyfriend (the lawyer) to the airco man that quickly. Ofcourse she would have a good excuse if she tells him they broke up earlier because the guy was deeply in love with someone else, but that would also give people new leads to how she did IT.
