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| soft subs vs hard subs - which do you perfer |
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groinkLocation: Hawaii Age: 41 Gender: Male |
 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| kood wrote: | | PJB wrote: | | Well they could sell the hard-subbed videos on discs... |
Same with soft subs. Either way we, the fansubbers, go piraters will use the alternate method in order to sell on eBay and whatnot.
If it's hardsubbed, it's a direct conversion to mpeg/dvd and if there's effort, menu and printable dvd cover.
If it's softsubbed, it's just an additional step that requires the vid to be hardsubbed and then converted to mpeg/dvd. |
Also, the rationale behind hard subs/eBay is not 100-percent. Just like all other technologies -- padlocks on lockers, passwords on PCs, warning labels on hot coffee, contraceptives -- are not 100-percent effective. They're basically deterrents. It has been proven throughout the history of mankind that deterrents help when your mission is to shorten or cut down the likelihood that an event will occur.
I was talking to my mom the other day about morons. We observed a guy circling around the Walmart parking lot for over 30 minutes trying to find a parking spot right next to the entrance. I told her what's worse than a moron is a determined moron. Same thing with the gingertoys2 and others of the fanwork selling world -- they're not only ignoring all of our pleeds not to sell fanworks. No, they're determined to achieve their ultimate goal -- and that is to rub our beliefs into our faces with the message "You can't stop me".
Unlike what most of you believe, deterrants in the fanworks world are actually quite effective. Although things like hard subs with embedded "do not sell on eBay" messages, watermarks, etc. do not prevent fanworks from being sold, they do actually work in the sense that the final product is nothing more than a doctored up, re-ripped, B- grade product that has been cropped and patched up to the max. Now, if people want to buy a B- grade drama for $29, that's basically their choice.
On the other hand, a RAW with absolutely no watermarks, along with a soft subtitle file, will allow the seller to produce a A- to A grade product.
Like I said earlier, soft subtitles are all about control. Hard subs are about deterrents and creativity. And I've also mentioned time and time before that even the RAWs should be watermarked before uploading. So if you do put out soft subtitles, at least the RAWs out there will be a lot harder to clean up for selling. And, yes, gingertoys2 can use the same sources as junkboy and others to get clean RAWs. But again, that's the deterrents at work. Anytime gingertoys2 makes an extra effort to accomplish her ultimate goal, that's a win for the deterrents.
--- groink
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Haime Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Total posts: 15 Gender: Unknown |
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LYF7anaticJoined: 15 Mar 2006 Total posts: 194 Location: Kansas Gender: Male |
| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:35 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| I voted for Hard subs. Just launch that player and there goes the episode. No need to rename this and that. Also, it's easy to burn them into dvds if people like to watch the series on big screen tv.
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sorasoraJoined: 17 Mar 2006 Total posts: 22 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:41 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| hardsubs hands down i like putting dramas and things on my ipod.
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ephesusJoined: 17 Oct 2005 Total posts: 206 Age: 25 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:43 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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What's weirder, going to Wallmart in the first place, circling the parking lot for 30 minutes, or WATCHING somebody circle the parking lot for 30 minutes ;)
Btw, i'm all about soft subs. I would hate to have to re-download a half a gig file to get subs that could be saved in 70k.
Not to mention, times when there COULD be 10 seeders, they're split up 5 and 5 between 2 identical torrents..
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Crazy PenguinLocation: Antarctica Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:45 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Hmmm... I think that really depends on what you want.
For once, softsubs have the advantage that you can turn them off.
Though, when running them on windows media player, you may need additional software for them.
Personally, I don't really know lol. Hard subs have their advantages, too.
I could say, as long as I have subs I don't care, though that's not really helping, is it?_________________ 
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binkyJoined: 07 Mar 2005 Total posts: 93 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:02 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I didn't vote but I prefer both as well....
with hardsubs you can display it prettier etc and have nicer fonts...but it's such a pain in the rear if you came online a month late and couldn't download the series...
with softsubs...i can make removable subtitles from the DVD i own and enjoy it in true dvd quality as oppose to converting an encoded file into a dvd or watching it on a divx dvd player or on a computer....
i sorta wished that hardsubs will come out first....that way everyone know that this group work on this particular title...and maybe after like 3-6 months when the popularity of the series is no longer there and no one is seeding the series anymore...they will released the soft subs for those who might come on later and didn't get a chance to download the series...this method will most likely get rid of some of the sales on ebay as well since most of the time..people are only interested in buying a new series to watch..as oppose to an old one....
anywayz..if you see a sell on ebay going on for fansubs...just notify ebay about it...and they will pull it....I did that for the Return of the Condor Heroes that someone was doing on ebay...and that listing got pull off the next day...
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Tao LibraJoined: 13 May 2005 Total posts: 249 Location: USA Gender: Male |
| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:16 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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SOFT, always. The various benefits ascribed to hard subs -- such as pretty fonts, colors, etc. -- are all completely irrelevant. They're eye-candy, nothing more. And they're annoying eye-candy when you can't ever turn them off, and even worse when (as is often the case) they contain spelling or grammar errors, which are then permanently, irremovably plastered over the video.
I also reject the argument about people selling soft-subbed things over eBay, because people can sell anything they want to anyway. That's no harder to do with hard subs than soft, because the kind of scum that sell dramas on eBay don't care whether someone's got a "Don't sell this on eBay" message hardsubbed into it. Hard-subbing it accomplishes nothing — except for irritating those of us who'd like to turn that crap off once we learn enough that we don't need the subtitles.
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qnhuJoined: 14 Jan 2006 Total posts: 528 |
| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:22 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| I prefer soft subs probably. Sometimes hard subs are too small or wrongly timed.
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paragonikalJoined: 07 Mar 2006 Total posts: 25 Location: Australia Age: 19 Gender: Male |
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BuckJoined: 27 Apr 2006 Total posts: 67 Location: California Age: 19 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Hmm.. this was a hard one. Honestly I prefere both because it doesn't really matter to me, how big it is (just not MEGA big if you get me), what color it is, just as long as I'm able to watch and understand the damn serie I'm happy..
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x_sadendingsJoined: 26 Mar 2006 Total posts: 2 Age: 23 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 4:22 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| soft subs all the way; its faster and it can be edit also you can have it there or not it's all an opion, but the downside it could be stolen and sell off on ebay without credit
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so no vote for me but just voicing my opinion 
