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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:06 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

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Hayami Mokomichi.. defenetly hot Wub .. I loved his role in Zettai kareshi.. he looked so cool ... Roll Eyes .. Kakoii


yup fully agreed. hope he got more leading role doramas. but seems tt his doramas are not tt popular...kinda of wasted for his pretty face


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I think his dramas are not too bad. I watched a few and enjoyed them. I liked them better than some of the more popular ones even. "Ame to Yume no ato ni" is quite touching. It was kind of freaky at first but I ended up crying more than being scared. And I wish there was a season 2 of hataraki man. I kinda want Tanaka-san and Matsukata-san to date ^^; I heard Rondo is kind of boring but I'll give it a try anyhow since Takenouchi is there too. But his dramas haven't been that good the last few years --;

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^ Totally. Smile

I wonder why he's termed a bad actor before ZK. None of his work was bad, at least not his fault at all. I even find his acting in Regatta convincing and him and Aibu has a subtle yet charming chemistry in it. The drama itself has very boring parts, but that's not the fault of the actors/actresses there. Even in Jotei, where he did a cameo in Ep8, was entertaining to watch for such a lousy a drama, he did his best with his role as the number 1 gigilo there.

I love him in Hataraki Man, I do think they can do more with a second season with Tanaka and Matsukata too, it would be interesting to see how Tanaka under Matsukata's influence and his admiration of her as someone to look up to will maybe inspire him to become the next Hataraki Man, and Matsukata may see a new side to this obnoxious youngling and romance ensues!!!!! Smile He has too little screen time in HM, what a waste when he's most gorgeous and every single outfit he's in was like a straight rip fr a fashion mag.

I dont like him in Rondo though, his character there was very one dimensional, typical cliched baddie, Rondo was just a disappointment in all aspects of the drama.
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I think the issue with Mokomichi is probably his choice of roles. The roles I've watched him do so far are pretty plain. He's always the cool looking guy so you can't see his acting skills. So far I don't think Mokomichi is a great actor yet. I have yet to see him do anything difficult like attempting a role of someone with a handicap, mental or physical illness, evil roles, etc. He did a fair job acting as a robot though which is slightly different from his other roles. I wouldn't write him off as a bad actor yet. There are others who I think are worse. Anyhow I think he will learn and develop more as he does more projects.

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he was termed as a bad actor in japan?! thats a pity...i dont tink he is that lousy...well i dont find yamapi or toma or matsu jun tt wonderful in acting either...i mean not saying they r lousy, but all look the same standard.

ZK was a pity lar cos i tink the storyplot wasnt well done, hence end up the show has low ratings. hope he got more nice gd shows coming up.

n ya, i tink he did a great job as a robot n a nice transition to become more human like towards the end.
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Moko ain't a bad actor, least he's on par with most of the other popular under-25 actors these days. Problem is he got labelled as bad cos he took on a couple of roles which were out of his depth. Not everyone is an acting prodigy, most actors work their way up from really small roles for years gradually to leading man status. Even the Johnny's actors whose rise to important roles appear meteoric, usually take on roles well within their range.

Moko's inexperience was badly exposed in Rondo where the character was too complex. He wasn't exactly awful in Tokyo Tower but considering the same role was done by Odagiri Joe in the movie adaptation prior. With such a high standard set by Odagiri as comparison, obviousy Moko's performance appeared very much weaker. If we were to put Yamapi, Kame, Jin, Matsujun in the same roles, they'll be stuck with the "bad actor" label too. Just that JE wasn't stupid enough to do that thank goodness!

On hindsight if Moko took on roles in dramas like Anego, HYD, Hanakimi etc. It'll be safe to bet your last dollar that this thread would have been 111 pages long now instead of 11 lol.
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I watched an episode of Tokyo Tower. I'm not sure if it's the story or Mokomichi's acting but it wasn't impressive. I didn't feel the urge to keep watching it but I'll watch a few more episodes to see if it gets better or not.

As for Mokomichi being labeled as a bad actor or not I don't know but it seems he hasn't won any awards? Not that I noticed on websites about him. As for his popularity, I think he must be quite popular in Japan if he could make it to Anan ranking in the top 20 list. And he's been #1 in a few other popularity polls too. I noticed he seems to have a lot of commercials too in the last few years. So popularity wise, it's probably just overseas people who haven't taken much notice of him yet.

About his acting being on par with actors under age 25. I guess on average he is okay. But there are better actors out there under 25 like Oguri Shun cuz he's been acting since he was 13. So maybe given more time Mokomichi can improve too.

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After I've looked more closely at his works, I've noticed, yes, he's not totally memorable and terrific in his every turn, but he is always more than good enough. Most of his roles before Regatta was just being background noise, so he's not supposed to be the spotlight.

I cant agree ZK is a storyline done bad and a pity. It is one of the most enjoyable and entertaining dorama I watched for years, and other than being just a guilty pleasure in the beginning, it was surprisingly touching and one of the best written and paced ending. And I do think its rating is respectable for a frothy shoujo manga adaptation. Many ppl wrote it off as being yet another silly mindless waste of time before giving it a look ( I'm almost one of them).

As for Rondo, I hated that dorama, Yutaka was the ONLY thing terrific in it and I do feel sorry for him being stuck in this pretentious mess. It's not the worst dorama by long shot, but it could be sooo much better if it didnt try to be this pretentious and nonsensical. The script was not anything near good. It tried to fake it, but it ended up being a lousy shadow of maybe Internal Affair (HK movie classic) in the hands of a moronic writer. So I'm not going to give the excuse of Moco taking up a more complex role for him to chew, that role was just a typical baddie we've seen for way too many times. He did it as is according to the script, so it's flat and he failed.

I do enjoy his Tokyo Tower, I've read the book before watching the movie/the dorama, frankly I was going to watch it before, but I did give it up back then thinking it was draggy after watching the movie. I do find Odagiri's Masaya more interesting and captivating, but I want to credit it too to a better and more stylish production. A big 'character' which is the essence of the story should be Tokyo and its change of times. It should be nostalgically Tokyo with the Tower as a the symbol of all the dreams of aspirations of a young Japanese artist from the very rural Kyushu, but the drama was told more flatly. So in a way his character was more an average joe, but Odagiri's was more glammed up but then it's also a bit more pretentious and at times over the top....for me. Moco also needs to work on his crying, I find it forced. He did astonishingly improved in one of his last scenes in ZK when he was crying as a robot without tears, looking up to the sky.

So I do find since 2007 at least, he's been picking very drastically difference roles. I don't really know if roles picking for such a young actor was always up to his choosing, so I'm not going to fault him (at least for his cliched cameo in lousy Jotei).

I do agree Oguri Shun is at times a better actor, but his looks is an acquired taste (I apologized up front, but I find his face very plain). And I do think his turn in Hana Kimi is not a challenging one, compared to a similar and better done acting job in HYD. I do notice in general Johnny boys get better more fitting choices, but then those are safer as well. I do think Yamapi is a terrifically handsome guy, but every drama I've seen him in, it's like seeing Yamapi pretending to be a con, a doc, which is fine and dainty and even welcomed by fangirls.

And it's just so cliched that acting abilities ar shown only in roles that have some terminal disease or sth very drastically decapitating. We've seen these acting showcases way too many times for it to be interesting anymore. I think acting as a robot showing emotions and moving people is one of the hardest and most challenging roles cause there are simply not much research and references you can draw upon on. If Moco came up with his Naito after studying every movie Schwarzenegger was in, he's a genius. lol
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I cant agree ZK is a storyline done bad and a pity. It is one of the most enjoyable and entertaining dorama I watched for years, and other than being just a guilty pleasure in the beginning, it was surprisingly touching and one of the best written and paced ending. And I do think its rating is respectable for a frothy shoujo manga adaptation. Many ppl wrote it off as being yet another silly mindless waste of time before giving it a look ( I'm almost one of them).


Actually, I didn't enjoy ZK much until the last episode. I much preferred the manga mainly because Riko wasn't so mean. I actually really disliked Riko in the drama. She acts like a child for a woman in her 20's. I wanted to slap her. Even if something it's a machine, it shouldn't be treated with such disrespect. If she totally didn't even find him nice, she shouldn't have even bought him IMO. I would have stopped watching it if not for the ikemen boys and I liked the manga.

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I do agree Oguri Shun is at times a better actor, but his looks is an acquired taste (I apologized up front, but I find his face very plain). And I do think his turn in Hana Kimi is not a challenging one, compared to a similar and better done acting job in HYD. I do notice in general Johnny boys get better more fitting choices, but then those are safer as well. I do think Yamapi is a terrifically handsome guy, but every drama I've seen him in, it's like seeing Yamapi pretending to be a con, a doc, which is fine and dainty and even welcomed by fangirls.


I guess Shun's looks is probably acquired taste. But so is yamapi ^^; I don't think he's that great looking either. And I don't like his acting. After watching a few of his dramas, I completely refuse to watch anymore. At first he's tolerable but after awhile he's just irritating.

I find Shun is sometimes good looking but sometimes not so great looking. Of course not all his roles are great. Some of his dramas I don't like but it's because I didn't like the character and not so much his acting. His acting skills are proven more through his stage plays than his dramas and movies I think because the characters are complicated and has more depth. Though I thought his acting as a deaf kid in Summer Snow was really good.

In regards to HanaKimi, I blame it on the writers for doing a bad job of writing up Sano's character. I liked Sano in the manga but it seemed in the drama, Sano was written like an ass and put in the background with little screen time considering his character importance was second to Mizuki. I also wonder if maybe Shun shouldn't have taken the role if he was so busy too. I'm not sure if he was too busy or they just didn't give him enough character development so he only concentrated on practicing high jumps.

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And it's just so cliched that acting abilities ar shown only in roles that have some terminal disease or sth very drastically decapitating. We've seen these acting showcases way too many times for it to be interesting anymore. I think acting as a robot showing emotions and moving people is one of the hardest and most challenging roles cause there are simply not much research and references you can draw upon on. If Moco came up with his Naito after studying every movie Schwarzenegger was in, he's a genius. lol


In regards to terminal diseases. I don't mean it has to be terminal but something like a deaf, mute, crippled, blind or mentally ill people. Those are difficult to portray because you have to read up and observe to do it properly and not from watching how others did it but how the actual people suffering from it actually do it. I've seen actors/actresses fail at it. Even Koizora which was suppose to be so great. I thought Miura didn't do a very good job acting as a terminally ill person. But Yui wasn't bad in it.
As for lack of robot references. There's several American ones around like Bicentennial man and others or observe robot documentaries. Also I think Terminator is a much more advanced robot than Moko's version. Terminator is more like the manga version of ZK because he's movements are more fluid. And yea I had a problem with Mokomichi's hyperventilating problem when he was breaking down. You don't see Terminator breathing hard as his system is having problems, hence I thought he did a fair job. Not easy acting as a robot.

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I do agree in your post for most part, seirin, yes Yamapi cant act one bit, and it's getting irritating, but I do understand the fangirls still watching him being himself cosplaying as a doc or whatever, I bet they do get enjoyment out of it.

I dislike the manga though, I find the storyline fluff and at times cliched.. but I think in the manga, all the characters ar given enough development, except Night. I dont feel much for Night in the manga. Yes Riiko was less annoying, but if I treated her as a hiro fangirl (lol) all her annoying habits towards Night can be easily explained. And also there is no written rule as to we should act our age, ppl do in their 20s, 30s act or have the mentality of a teenager. I find Riiko annoying, yet realistic. But isnt it a greater feat for a robot(or Moco's acting) to finally gain her true love?

I was very joking as to saying Schwarzenegger is in any way shape or form a better robot/actor. He is exactly what Moco is falsely accused of, wooden acting to the extreme of robotic hence doing a stint being a robot is easy breezy. Every single role he's in, he's robotic to me, I will cut him the slack of his accent. Being robotic is very diff fr portraying a robot though. Moco's Naito has been very precise and consistant esp in his physical control. I really cant find any unexplained gestures he did in ZK that was out of character esp aided by good writing. If Moco's Night has resemblance of Arnie's Terminator, it wont be anything more than a piece of metal to me.

So what I'm saying is that being a robot with emotions is as hard to do or more so than a human being put in a very extreme situations as you've mentioned. We've seen terrific performances of those throout the years and it's a reality for a lot of courageous souls to pull reference to.

But being a charming robot with feelings... I like Bicentennial man to a certain extent, Robin Williams is always very catchy in his roles, but his robot failed to evict emotions to me, maybe it's coz I love the book way way more.

What's wrong with the hyperventilating as a robot? He has nostril and it's perfectly plausible for the machine to ventilate thro those 'holes' when he's overheated, ne?


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well, nostrils are for humans to breath. He just has it for aesthetic reasons. And there are holes so computers can ventilate, but I think a simple background whirring noise or such with him bending in malfunction mode or toppling over is good enough. The jerky movements are okay too since he is malfunctioning. But when he was hyperventilating, his chest heaving and he was breathing hard. Robots don't need to breath. I've yet to hear any electronic devices making deep breathing sounds.

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well for the sake of argument, we're shown his underlying metal shull do have 'holes' in/beside the 'nose' shown in ep 1 and if the weirdo Namikiri designed for the computer to ventilate there, how can u be so sure it's purely aesthetic?! And I mean anatomically Night is humanly in appearance, there are only so many 'holes' anatomically correct to be 'used' for ventilation and at critical situation to have the whatever cavity to heave mechanically for more volume for gaseous exchange, y not?! That is more a mechanical process in essence than a solely biological function. It's Namikiri's design not yours, ...hehe and bringing in real electronic devices making deep breathing sounds, I'm sure that can be made to satisfy you, if a lover robot looking like Moco can be made. ;)
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wa suddenly the thread becomes like a discussion for machine ventilators...

but in my pt of view i stil tink its the storyplot that cause ZK not to b nice, i tink if it follow nicely to manga, moko wil b famous here. but well...some actors really need time to shine. hiroshi tamaki came out for some time before getting famous in nodame too Smile unlike johnny boys, i tink their roles get secured as gd roles more easily? n they r like super super popular...just show their pretty faces and this will be sufficient Smile

the best thing for moko wil b better n more upcoming chances as male leads in dramas which he can shine
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woooow! it's nice to see this thread so full of mocofan ^^

I didn't see all ZK for now (only the forst 2 eps) but I really love the manga and for now I like the drama!
and I was breathless when she open the big box containing such a gorgeus robot *__* I want him too!!!!
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well for the sake of argument, we're shown his underlying metal shull do have 'holes' in/beside the 'nose' shown in ep 1 and if the weirdo Namikiri designed for the computer to ventilate there, how can u be so sure it's purely aesthetic?! And I mean anatomically Night is humanly in appearance, there are only so many 'holes' anatomically correct to be 'used' for ventilation and at critical situation to have the whatever cavity to heave mechanically for more volume for gaseous exchange, y not?! That is more a mechanical process in essence than a solely biological function. It's Namikiri's design not yours, ...hehe and bringing in real electronic devices making deep breathing sounds, I'm sure that can be made to satisfy you, if a lover robot looking like Moco can be made. ;)


Robots don't do gaseous exchange ^^; They need to keep their system cool. If they heat up, electronic parts get damaged. If Narimiki did add the deep breathing sounds it wouldn't be for breathing and very x-rated ^^; Anyhow if they did want to use heavy breathing as a human-machine form of ventilation, then his chest shouldn't heave because he doesn't have lungs, his fan would just be spinning inside. He's made of metal parts. It would be difficult for him to do heavy breathing and not move his chest so my take would be just to replace with sound effect.

I got around to continue watching Tokyo Tower. So far pretty slow going. I didn't really like his character in ep1 and 2 but I guess he will grow and learn. The plot so far doesn't seem very interesting.

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