Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: I looked up "Japanese" at urbandictionary.com and. Post Rating: 0
~The results of me typing random search words @ urbandictionary.com~
Try going to urbandictionary.com and type "Japanese" as your search word. How come every single chinese person who's posted have ridiculously (and I'm saying ridiculously lightly) bias views against us? Bah. We certainly don't condemn China. Well gee, thanks for returning the favor.
Here's a typical remark I personally find rather nice to read:
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1. The language I decided to study in college.
2. A fun language to learn.
It is made up of 3 alphabets. Hiragana, 46 symbols which each represent a different sound; Katakana, 46 different symbols which represent the exact same sounds as hiragana; and Kanji, thousands of symbols which represent entire words or ideas.
Japanese written using the english alphabet is called romaji.Takeshi-san no senmon wa nihongo desu ka?
Ee, soo desu.
Is Japanese Takeshi's major?
Yes, that's right.
Well here's the profane remarks,
This may not be appropriate for some people, so I've made it hidden:
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dirty asian ppl with the smallest penises of the asian race, also has messed up teeth.Im turning japanese after taking a cold shower!!!!!! - Jim
by Jim Huynh Feb 9, 2005
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The most brutal race to ever have existed, more so than Germans or Soviets.The Rape of Nanjing, where tens of thousands of people were needlessly slaughtered by the Japanese, thousands of women raped, disemboweled, burnt, butchered, beheaded..
And then they deny it.. ..fuckers..
by Chan Mar 31, 2005
As for this one... I don't think we ever "denied," it. Actually, I think it's stupid to abhor Japan for things that happened half a century ago.
Personally, I love Chinese, Japanese, and Korean culture. I don't understand why people can be so naive and unresponsible to write such things publically.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
urbandictionary.com was probably a good idea in its infancy. But unlike the wiki concept, you really can't do anything about the entries. That web site is a total farce if you ask me.
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: hmm Post Rating: 0
ryobreak wrote:
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The most brutal race to ever have existed, more so than Germans or Soviets.The Rape of Nanjing, where tens of thousands of people were needlessly slaughtered by the Japanese, thousands of women raped, disemboweled, burnt, butchered, beheaded..
And then they deny it.. ..fuckers..
by Chan Mar 31, 2005
As for this one... I don't think we ever "denied," it. Actually, I think it's stupid to abhor Japan for things that happened half a century ago.
Personally, I love Chinese, Japanese, and Korean culture. I don't understand why people can be so naive and unresponsible to write such things publically.
While I think it's not a very sensitive way to put things, being Chinese, I quite understand where he/she's coming from. My grandparent's generation did suffer alot from the Japanese invasion in Word War II (both in China and in Malaysia/Singapore. Mass executions!)
I think alot of the anger stems from what the Japanese government/official bodies are doing, and is not so much about the individual Japanese. I've read many anecdotal accounts of rather biased accounts about what happened during the wars. Eg museums and textbooks may refer to "situations" whereas the rest of the world may refer to it as an "invasion" [google it]. As a result of that, many young Japanese these days may not know the truth of what really happened.
So I guess the main beef Chinese have with Japanese is that officially, it doesn't seem as though the Japanese acknowledge their past war time wrongs, let alone seem apologetic about it.
On the other hand, the Chinese and Koreans have done quite a bit of massacre among themselves. Eg Cultural Revolution, Tiananmen Square, Kwanju 1980. So just because we complain about past Japanese injustices, it doesn't mean Chinese, or Koreans, aren't blameless too.
So I don't agree with you when you say history should not be written about publicly. History (hopefully unbiased and as true as possible, see previous complaint re: Japanese textbooks) should be known to as many as possible. Let's try to prevent history repeating.
If you are saying the message is delivered in an extremely rude and ill-considered way, then yes, I agree with you. The second opinion you listed was also rather rascist, but I guess it was just a bad joke.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Dude, every ethnicity hold some racist grudge against some other ethnicity. It is just a fact. Chinese people are, Korean people, European, and etc... Japanese people are not exempt from this as well. These messages are just the rantings; dont take it too seriously. You cant seriously expect to have a public forum be totally gratifying the japanese culture or language; not everyone is blindly in love...
Personally, about NanKing, that **** was bad. It was bad like Holocaust bad. I personally think the Japanese government (NOT THE JAPANESE PEOPLE) should mention it specifically since it hits such a bad note with China.
Personally, I think it is naive not to think people would hold these things. But, that is just my glass is half full view, and it is 530am in the morning. Shhhhizzt, time to go to work. bahaawahahahaaa... sob.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Well I'm Japanese so I can probably make a rather large point, although the Japanese textbooks do call the Rape of Nanjing as "The Nanjing Incident," (if they do mention it, which some publishing companies decide not to do), there is also very little about other things as well. Such as Christopher Columbus's "darker," deeds (exploitation of natives), the reason why WWII had started in the first place, (I have a copy of the textbook myself, the world war II section is mostly a collection of poems from people who had relatives killed, along with a large section on Hiroshima for the atomic bombings that happened there.)
Well, I guess, to summarize everything, I don't think Japan is trying to cover up what happened. True, "Imperial Japan" (late 1800's - end of WWII) was very militaristic and cruel. But the modernized Japan is probably one of the most "pro-peace" countries which can rival Switzerland's treatises on "preserving peace," laws.
I agree that Chinese people have the right to be angry for what happened. Also, you're right, they do have the liberty to write about it and vent their frustration over all the terrible atrocities that were commited. I was just personally taken aback by how blunt and relentless their comments are. It seemed to me more like a product of Chinese communism, which still demonizes modern Japan.
Maybe all of the "love and romance," J / K dramas made me soft. I'm not too sure. But when I saw the fruits of my bored adventure unravel this horrid apple, it was... excrutiatingly painful to read.
I felt as if it was unfair for myself to be profiled against for things which I didn't commit, and for things I had absolutely no control over since I wasn't alive.
Personally, my "philosophy," is that things like this should not conflagurate more friction between Japan and China. I think instead, we should focus on media exchange, and get to know the more positive side of each other's countries. Just like Korean Drama is so popular in Japan (winter sonata for example), which sparked a large Korean fad, I think the same can possibly happen in China? (As long as the "censors" approve of it --')
Well, I have a cousin living in Shanghai, and many of my friends are Chinese, and, they agree to it (actually, they mostly told me China should incorporate more anime from Japan), but, I think to heal some of the dreadful wounds from a horrid war, the best way to remedy the relationships between the nations is an exchange of media.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
yeah, sorry to be sooo down and depressing about the matter.\
you are right; there is a certain shock to the bluntness of their comments not to mention the vulgarness. people make their own worlds to live in. i personally due to my confounded obsession with philosophy believe that good and evil exists as a metaphysical thing; what happened in the past by both sides is an absolute evil and what they posted on the boards is wrong but not evil but that is besides the point.
if you are soften by the peace, comically hilarious optimism(good thing), and romance of j/k doramas then good for you. i think it is way better than their deterious paranoia.
media is a good suggestion. time heal all wounds. the old guard (communist china) will drift away in the future and all should be peachy i hope...
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I'm neither Chinese nor Japanese but I've been following this issue over quite some time now.As someone posted before everyone can CHOOSE to have a grudge against a race or a nation (Hebrews against Germans, Algerians against French, Tibetans against Chinese, Chinese against Japanese, Native Americans against Spanish/British/Portuguese, Iraqis/Afghans against the US) Where do we end it? The victim in one moment in history is the perpetrator/invador/killer the next.
The whole textbook controversy also happened in France, when talking about the "colonization" of North Africa. Frankly, sometimes the Chinese press chooses to give news that feed ultranationalism more relevance than REAL news that afect today's China. It's all business and selling newspapers, let's not forget. And it's not only the Japanese issue, it's the Taiwan issue to.
I really hope we all stop lingering in the past and stop poisoning today's children with massacres that only feed hatred and bring about international problems. What's the use, really? No one can really talk objectively about their own country anyway. As for history, it's always written by the winners...
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
You have to realize, the Chinese government has a publically announced system of inducing hatred of Japanese into Chinese youth. In order to maintain their power over the 1.4 billion people in their country, the Chinese Communist Party must create an enemy and Japan happens to be a very convenient enemy. A country that apologizes every time China complains, has people who hate their own country within, and also has vocal extremists is very very convenient.
Japan has over 11 PRIVATE companies that write history textbooks for middle schools. The government then makes sure that they meet the standard (they teach enough of relevant history) and that they are accurate. The government does this for only up to middle school. Beyond that, it is up to individual schools' boards of education. This system is the same in most modern nations. Out of the 11 or so textbooks that were released in 2001, China complained about ONE that was written by the Textbook Reform society. The reason they complained was that they did not emphasize the specifics of military cruelty. The reasoning behind the Textbook Reform for softening the passage was that they did not want middle school children, children under 15 years of age, learning what "fellatio" was from a history class. They felt that what the Chinese had required of the Japanese up until then was too graphic and actually affected children psychologically. Besides, Japan is not subject to Chinese censorship, China is infringing upon our sovereignty as a nation. The other 10 or so textbooks continued to talk about the Nanking Massacre in its entirety (and even mention the number 300,000 which has been throroughly disputed in academic circles) and even about forcible comfort women (even though this has also been recently disproven or should I say, was never proven in the first place).
The Japanese government's official stance is to avoid any tensions with China. For this reason, our prime ministers have repeated apologized for things that haven't even been proven as having truly occurred just in order to maintain good relations. Japan is still donating more ODA than any country has ever donated to any other country as an apology for WWII. This ODA money is being spent on military expenses by the Communist Party. The Japanese government's official stance is to throw away their own sovereignty in exchange for peace. The way China is acting here is Japan's fault.
The Chinese government has been picking up quotes from random speeches from random people and piecing them together to make it seem that the official Japanese government stance is antagonistic towards China. This is because of Japanese people's mistranslations and misreportages (primarily from Asahi Newspaper). Asahi newspaper (a Japanese newspaper) first reported that one textbook company changed the word 'invasion' to 'intrusion' in an effort to whitewash history in the early 80s. This news spread and the world began to assosiate Japan with history whitewashing. However, when the news was forgotten, Asahi newspaper admitted to having made up that article. In addition, the word "jihen" which has been translated to "incident" (in Nanking Incident), is much stronger in Japanese than in English and can be misconstrued to be a toning down of the incident, but in actuality, this is not true. Again, a problem on Japan's side. Our culture of ambiguity and of avoiding problems does not work in the international world.
Because Japanese people are not trying to correct misconceptions or miscontrusions, Japanese people will forever be hated. China has every reason to try to take advantage of Japan. That's what countries try to do, not just China. Japanese people have a responsibility to stand up and defend their rights too. Japanese people are irresponsible and speak terrible English. There are so many more problems on Japan's end, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I think the chinese and koreans will continue to hate the japanese's guts until at least all of the people who lived through the WWII era are gone.... I think what some people outside of japan are concerned about is the alleged whitewashing will make the future generations (in japan) not learn about the bad things that happened in history especially after the people who knew what happened die off
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Just the war generation dying is not going to be enough for hatred of Japanese to go away.
As long as the Chinese Communist Party is in power, this will continue. Even if Japanese history textbooks start to tell distorted history in favor of China, the CCP will complain about Yasukuni, then war compensation, then biological weapons buried underneath China, then Ishihara Shintaro, etc.... But what lies underneath all these reasons to hate Japan is Japanese people's inability to express their own views well (and I guess the War Guilt Information Program that the GHQ instituted in Japan fifty years ago). Vagueness is Japanese culture and unless Japanese people stop being Japanese, then that won't go away. This problem is much more complicated than "japanese people whitewash history."
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I guess you can say some people in Asia look at Japanese like Jews against Nazis. I do not hate Japanese people, But the government itself. The gov't does deny that it massacred millions of throughout Asia in WWII. This was more than what the Nazis have done to Jews in Internment camps. Worst of all, the gov't changed the teachings in books and wrote nothing about it. Also, I find it uneccasary for the Prime Minister of Japan to go pay respects to soldiers of Japan's WWII army. This would be like saying the president of German going to pay respects to Hitler. After all that has been said, can you really blame people for the hatred after what the victims went throught with their lost ones and the horrors that went on during their lifetime? I am not trying to express myself aggresively....dont get me wrong, I love Japanese culture, Just not the people who run the country
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