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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Yeah mms streams are really unstable
look what happened to ranka.hennyz ... it never came back o______o

I just hope TVU comes back -_-;
and we all know Keyhole is ...

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Actually I'm a bit torn regarding voices that "this place should never have known about the streams". In retrospect, putting up the playlist might have been a mistake, but then the links were already out, and the file itself has only been downloaded about 250 times.

Yes, if all of these people decide to watch something at the same time, we'll already end up "losing"more than 10% of the gundam.eu slots (according to HorribleRaws, that server has a 2000 user limit), but then d-addicts isn't quite the only place where people found out... try searching the 'net for "stream.gundam.eu", you'll get about 70.000 results including forum threads and blog posts where people posted the links. So... yes, if the addresses of the server were to change, I wouldn't upload a list like this again, as the egoist in my really wants to watch stupid morning "news" programmes before going to bed, just to keep up with "what's on" in Japan. But I find it hard to believe that d-addicts viewers alone are somewhat responsible for taking down the servers, when it's been all over the net already.

Question: (and yes, I actually still HAVE to donate, just found out about the streams a couple of days ago and just didn't get around to do it yet). Maybe some of you guys who are in touch with the HR guys can give an answer to that, but wouldn't it be rather easy to set up password protection for the streams? How about setting up another dedicated server, and giving the password to those who make a certain donation. I don't know about you, but I for one wouldn't go around posting links and user/pw data if I'd just shelled out some money for the service. I don't mind sharing "free" beer, but I would be seriously annoyed when others start to get drunk on the beer I paid.
Do you know if this topic has ever come up amongst the HR guys? I would've asked in the IRC channel yesterday, but then I saw a couple of people getting kicked for asking about the stream, so it didn't really feel like a good time to ask.

And then... if anybody's really desperate, they can actually sign up for J Network Services... don't know how trustworthy that site is, but if they're legit, then their monthly fee (around 6000 Yen, I think) isn't THAT expensive for a reliable streaming experience.

Ugh. This is turning into a longer rant than expected, so I'll cut this short (especially as my wireless keyboard is just going crazy on me). It's a real pity that mms streams can't work like BitTorrent, where it's the other way around and "more users" mean "better speed" for most of the time.

As for the anime issue... well, I stopped watching anime years ago, so I didn't bother finding out, but aren't HR doing raw uploads of the shows anyway? So unless you absolutely have to watch them live, you can still get them from their tracker, even if the live streams are down... or am I completely off track here?

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

as for me, of course i can download all the anime but downloading takes time, i just want to watch it in real time. i normally do not download anime, i buy them, i mean their cds/dvds. i only download one or two shows, either than that, i watch them in real time first before buying them.

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

For anime, I like watching it in real time even if it's crappier than the ones I download since I can practice my Japanese hearing skills. and mainly, the service was meant for anime, just look at the index page =P. and some fansubbers are ridiculously slow pinch

hahaha.

And it's kinda irritating when other posters (well I'm not referring to d-a anymore =P) just post the links and not the index page of the actual website. I bet most of the people do not really know who provides these streams hence they don't know the peer capacity of it and just turn on the stream 24/7 amazed by the mms live streams.

Before they do have passwords on those streams and the only one accessible was the /live, /wowow and /animax channel, for other channels it was blocked with a password. I don't really know what happened and they became generous pinch

haha. (just look at their IRC channel it's so unfriendly pinch

. but then again they are friendly when you ask them stuff that are not really dumb or stupid) But you have a brilliant idea, you can ask them now since no one is bothering them about the streams anymore pinch

Yeah, not really fighting with you. I'm just kinda irritated that server 2 is down -_-; It really feels like your sanctuary was invaded by aliens, I think that's what the others feel (including myself) when they said "this place should never have known about the streams". IMO, most of the blogs and forums and etc really got the links here since before the links were posted in d-a you can only find 5 results when you type in stream.gundam.eu. And d-a is really popular pinch

I just wish I know someone in Japan so I can buy a slingbox and send it to him/her >D

and J Network Services is kind of a rip off since you have to pay monthly pinch

. I suggest you find a friend in Japan, buy a slingbox and send it to him/her. And yay, no more monthly fees

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Good point there about people not telling where they originally found the streams. Somehow makes you wonder if the original posters found out on HR, or some other site... well, if everybody had heard of the IRC channel as well, there'd been even more +kb-ing than we've seen yesterday. However I still believe that some sort of wall (or laser fence) to keep the aliens outside would be passwords, as the idea of "keeping something secret on the internet" is sort of contradictory in itself. ... this of course, provided that HR actually WANTS people to stay out. Maybe they're really not interested in the hassle, just saying "well, enjoy it while it lasts, and let's all be responsible about how we use this". Would actually be interesting to see some usage statistics, I guess.

Now that you mention it, I remember seeing the /live /wowow and /animax channels a couple of months ago, but I quickly forgot about them again. I think they didn't last very long back then, with the stream dropping every couple of minutes and stuff... what we've got (for) now is something completely different, very much more polished experience - actually, the playlist I'm using responds much faster for Japanese TV than the software for my USB tuner to watch local TV...

Oh, and I'm absolutely not trying to pick a fight over this. I understand where you're coming from, and before uploading the original gundam.eu playlist I had some concerns as well... but then I thought, "well the links are already out, so maybe it wouldn't hurt..."... (I can't help but think of the current vgcats.com episode right now..)

I'm intrigued by the slingbox stuff... I've only heard of Sony's LocationFree Player, which seems to me a bit troublesome to set up, and the Taiwanese Frioo box, which is somewhat difficult to obtain at the moment. Slingbox seems a bit more "open" to me, and I guess you could even outfit a light-weight machine with MythBox and get the same results for even less money. My friends in Japan aren't probably tech-savvy enough to do either, and then I'd feel kind of bad to bother anybody "just because I want to watch some TV shows", but I'll keep this solution in mind if I'll be able to make the move to Japan, to get some shows to the folks at home.

As for the monthly payments... again, not picking a fight, but I just got to have a different take on this... try to tell your internet provider or power company that their monthly payments are some kind of a rip-off, and watch the funny twitching in their faces ;). Even with the slingbox solution you have a certain amount of monthly cost, be it power consumption, your ADSL connection, or network fees (NHK costs around 1700-2400 Yen per month), and all of a sudden you'll find yourself a big step closer towards those 6000 Yen JNS are asking for. I mean, there are a lot of people who don't mind paying extra fees for cable tv, or pay-per-view sports and movie broadcasts, so if like these people you'd think of it as "investing some money in your hobby" you wouldn't feel like somebody is stealing your savings anymore.

Only selling your organs. A little. Smile

The thing that bothers me a bit about JNS is that I can't be sure if it's legit (and that they restrict their services to Windows machines). Yes, they've got all that legal mumbo-jumbo on their page, but I don't even get that stuff in my native language, so...
IF, on the other hand, we'd see the major networks kicking off a similar internet-based broadcast for a reasonable fee, I probably wouldn't hesitate subscribing.

Edit: Just lurking around on the #HR channel, and Waryas mentioned that they'd like to keep everything free, and just use the donations to keep the servers running. So, once again, if you enjoy the streams just think about it, in case you haven't already donated.

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Hmm... should I remove my post with the links...? Might help the servers a bit.
I was just thinking that I would share some streams with you guys, but looks like it wasn't such a good idea <.<

Yargh... good intentions gone wrong...

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

I just think openly posting the links without any like regard for the host was wrong. There was rules to how to play nice with the stream sites and people just ran and took advantage of it. It bums me out cause I watched on server 2, the high quality stream, and now its down on hiatus probably due to overload.

It just makes me angry, that's all.

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

yay a linux version of keyhole tv Big Smile

And to those arguing about posting streaming links here: imo it won't make a difference. If you really wanted to find Japanese TV streams its not that hard ("mms japanese tv" and "I'm Feeling Lucky" did the trick for me).

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0

OMG!!! it really works again Big Smile

I think it should be possible to make posts which only registered users can see. From 500 users who are watching this site are only approx. 30 registered...that would decrease the number of watchers extremely Big Smile

(except the people who know the links..but I think many of them deleted the links on their "notepad" because they didn't work for a long time..) Whistling