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belleza Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Total posts: 716 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Yeah, 2007 KBS went absolutely crazy with their programming, throwing in a bunch of fusion dramas, K-dramas based on manga/J-dramas, and would-be mania shows. On one hand, they got killed almost all year, except for their daily dramas and Dae Jo Young. On the other, many musos believe they had overall the most interesting shows.
Even though MBC has the reputation of having the best/most famous sageuks, KBS is really the sageuk station. In addition to Conspiracy, they did a joint sageuk with North Korea, "Sa Yug Shin" (which didn't look too appetizing for me, the production looked kinda crap), and Dae Jo Young (like Hwang Ji-ni) ruled the 2007 KBS Awards. I mean, Jumong is great, but Jumong is also kind of a cartoon. It's All In dressed up as a sageuk.
Conspiracy of the Court was their fusion sageuk of 2007, and I saw a little of it (maybe half an episode -- it was running against the Coffee Prince.) It was apparently written as a kind of murder mystery, intricately plotted and just really dark. Couldn't really follow it even though there were subs.
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bellezaJoined: 21 Jan 2007 Total posts: 716 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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From KBS LA (i.e. KBS World.) But it's too hard following KBS1 K-dramas due to their weekend runs and 100+ episodes. (And besides, if I'm home on Saturdays, I usually watch Taiga. Atsuhime is starting this Saturday!) I think Dae Jo Young is about to finish here, and then King Sejong will run.
This is a great era for sageuks. When the demographics were broken down, it went something like Legend was a hit with the <25 set (BYJ oppa! squeeeee!!!), Yi San with the 25-40 set, and King and I with the 40+ set.
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bellezaJoined: 21 Jan 2007 Total posts: 716 Gender: Unknown |
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MsKoreaJoined: 16 Feb 2008 Total posts: 14 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| There's a new drama out, airing on KBS; Daewang Sejong. I'm only on the 3rd ep, but seems pretty good so far.
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harharpanJoined: 20 Feb 2008 Total posts: 15 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| I'd like to try watching one of these if they have a good storyline, but I'm not sure if I have the attention span for more than 20+ epsiodes..
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fizzlex3mhJoined: 15 Feb 2007 Total posts: 317 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I really want to try my first sageuk sometime in the near future. Hong Gil Dong doesn't count, but it's really making me think that I might actually enjoy watching these shows that revolve around politics and men wearing dresses killing other men wearing dresses. I always used to avoid watching historical dramas simply because at first glance they look unappealing. In Goong, my first look at historical Korea, the scenes in the palace made me press the fast-forward button (which I never ever use).
So, which one should it be? Dae Jang Geum or Jumong? Not which one is better; since those two are such highly-rated classics I think I'll enjoy both of them. But which one is best to watch first? Jumong is supposed to be a lot more intense so I have a feeling I should watch Dae Jang Geum first and start slow with 54 episodes.
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kobe23Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Total posts: 741 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 29 Gender: Male |
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fizzlex3mhJoined: 15 Feb 2007 Total posts: 317 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| If I find myself absolutely loving sageuks, then I'll definitely give Legend a shot (although over at dramabeans' the comments make it seem like your average, overrated show). I've just always wanted to watch Dae Jang Geum and Jumong as just about everybody talks about them.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| fizzlex3mh wrote: | | If I find myself absolutely loving sageuks, then I'll definitely give Legend a shot (although over at dramabeans' the comments make it seem like your average, overrated show). |
Its definitely not average but it might be overrated...but which successful show isn't overrated? I think Dramabeans isn't really a sakeuk fan, so just try it and see. At least its an experience you won't get with any other drama.
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bellezaJoined: 21 Jan 2007 Total posts: 716 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Quote: | | then I'll definitely give Legend a shot (although over at dramabeans' the comments make it seem like your average, overrated show). |
I can see thunderbolt's criticisms of the show, esp. considering that this is the PD of Sandglass and Eyes of Dawn. Though X seemed pretty positive on PD's proper sageuk, the Great Ambition. BUT, the Legend's target audience was the <30 crowd, and it was written with probably that audience in mind. In fact, the netizens ended up voting the main leads of the show as favorite MBC couple of the year over the Coffee Prince. Yi San was most popular with the 25-40 set. And King+I was most popular with the 40+ audience. My mum loved about 90% of the show (10% = WTH ending), and she was gushing over Bae Yon Joon. She didn't understand the fuss over him until this show, and then she was like totally channeling Yonsama.
The Legend is really unique in its own right. Literally, there is no other Asian drama like it, and no Asian drama that approaches it from the standpoint of production. The Japanese and Taiwanese reception has been slack-jawed; literally, nobody's ever seen any Asian country try to make something like this for TV.
I should say that Dramabeans perspective on sageuks reflects how I think most Asians Americans feel about historical dramas (and why a lot of younger Chinese viewers tune out Mandarin dramas and opt for TW idol dramas instead.) The MBC sageuks tend to do best at appealing to a wide demographic (i.e. younger people), but the KBS1 sageuks tend to do best critically. That makes sense since KBS, I think being a publi station, sageuks would be *roughly* the equivalent of NHK Taiga. And speaking of, Atsuhime is great It plays less like a proper taiga then some Asian equivalent of a coming-of-age Jane Austen novel.
| Quote: | | Hong Gil Dong doesn't count, but it's really making me think that I might actually enjoy watching these shows that revolve around politics and men wearing dresses killing other men wearing dresses. |
The intrigue aspect of HGD is on par with a good sageuk, but the acting hasn't been. And that's key; emotionally HGD hasn't registered as well as it should for me, because I've seen those elements executed much, much better in a proper sageuk, as well as in a fusion piece like Damo.
| Quote: | | In Goong, my first look at historical Korea, the scenes in the palace made me press the fast-forward button (which I never ever use). |
I actually watched Goong as a modern sageuk, with YEH as annoying side show. (I thought YEH was good in this role, but her character kinda took away what I actually liked about Goong)  A lot of people are critical of Goong because of the acting, but the exectuion was still brilliant concept. (i.e. Charles and Diana, the Kpop remix.) Younger Korean audience was exposed to the classic elements of sageuk -- power struggles, inherited blood feuds, beautiful clothes -- in a format they could relate to. And the correlation of Asian royal pomp and circumstance with the European model was beautiful
| Quote: | | So, which one should it be? Dae Jang Geum or Jumong? |
I'd probably recommend Damo first. Damo's much shorter and is more in the style of HGD. Though much better.
Definitely Dae Jang Geum, but with the understanding that Dae Jang Geum is a borderline fusion show and not indicative of most sageuks. One speculation goes that the writer of DJG, a woman (very rare for sageuk adaptations) and her first major writing project, took influences from Japanese manga and adapted them into the sageuk format. So what you're watching is a cross between what you might see in a cooking J-drama with a semi-tournament format (aka, this week Jang Geum battles the Madam!) mixed into traditional sageuk elements. My mum's seen more than a hundred Asian historical dramas -- Chinese, Japanese, Korean. (Seriously, half of the Korean sageuks I have no frigging clue what they are!) DJG is still her favorite (and I think the Sandglass is a close second.)
Jumong is a lot of fun and very addictive. My brother's fiancee compares it to a cartoon, and that's probably the right comparison. This will sound like a odd comparison, but if you liked action shows like All In and Time of Dog and Wolf or movies like Typhoon, then you're going to like Jumong.
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kobe23Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Total posts: 741 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 29 Gender: Male |
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kobe23Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Total posts: 741 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 29 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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belleza: What exactly is Javabeans' stance on Sageuks? I know she's not a fan of them, but what is her reasoning? I know for me I generally don't enjoy them because of the number of episodes involved and they're probably best watched with a firm grasp of Korean history. Not to mention everyone looks the same in period costume!
But back to Javabeans for now. I find people follow her opinions too blindly. I mean, they are after all, just her opinion. I always see people write "Ah, Javabeans doesn't like it so it must be crap", that kinda stuff. The Legend is a good drama (so far anyway), and as WroW said, it might be over-rated, but definitely not average.
And belleza I just want to tell you that you're very good at "selling" a product. You've made me even more interested in Jumong now after I've closed the door on it, you go and re-open i! Just like you did with Alone in Love and Fashion 70s. Now I just need to find 3 months free to accommodate it's length! Argh! I think I need to put you on my ignore list 
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