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lomsie Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Total posts: 29 Age: 22 Gender: Female |
 Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:13 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| nikochanr3 wrote: | | lomsie wrote: | | Quote: | | i love the little insulated world people live in sometimes. MOST people dont watch the same stuff we do. its not made exclusively for us. the owners of the material are free to ship it wherever they like. they could make 7,000 crappy death note remakes and ill still love the original material. who cares? |
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i dont love the movie, i was making a general point. i love the manga. it hought the movie was ok, but definitely didnt do the manga justice. it was ok because the source material was great. |
Check what I quoted, then check the bold, underlined word. I was agreeing with you
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ArchaenonJoined: 17 Mar 2007 Total posts: 411 Age: 27 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| gakirin wrote: | | Puppet Princess wrote: | | Zealousy wrote: | | ... I hate it when people are against American things, to me, it makes the look like a weeaboo. Japan copies alot of **** from America anyways. |
Perhaps but my logic is, why redo something that's good the way it is?
I also hate American remakes of American movies. Sure most young people are culturally retarded and wont watch anything older than 5 years because that's just ancient.
But I have seen the original of a lot of these remakes.
The original Ocean's Eleven with the rat pack. Brilliant (and only one movie not three >_<) and the remake ruined the bittersweet irony of the whole thing. Sure they win in both version but my favorite scene in the original was the last part in the funeral home where they all watch the coffin full of money burn and laugh.
The Italian Job... has nothing to do with the original because it's not exactly a remake... but more like a sequel decades later.
Though I admit, I hated both versions of Cheaper By the Dozen and Your's Mine and Ours. So, though they tried to improve those... they didn't really. |
Battlestar Galactica
The Incredible Hulk coming out this year
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
And while we're on the topic of arguing whether or not america takes good movies and remakes them badly:
Infernal Affairs/The Departed
Ok so, both cultures steal from each other. We have japanophiles. You have "gangstas" wearing bling.
Why don't you all stop being prejudiced, sit down, and see that both parties are guilty of robbing the other of it's cultural practices for their own benefit.
But what you are failing to recognize is that this a good thing. We are both looking at one another's products and appreciating them, wanting to adapt them into our own world.
Now stop whining and appreciate how wonderful that is. |
^ Most thought out comment in this entire thread.
Deathnote is pretty awful to begin with. Who knows , it might be better.
Not all Hollywood remakes are bad , the remake of P.S I love you was pretty good imo.
Some people here are just anti-american for whatever reason. Bandwagon theme comes to mind. People follow the majority without giving anything a chance. Talking about flying in the face of be open-minded.
How about remaking "My boss , my hero" from the Korean version. Both were really good , but no one is ragging on the Japanese about remaking an already awesome Korean movie._________________ 
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nikochanr3Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Total posts: 649 Location: NY Gender: Male |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| lomsie wrote: | | nikochanr3 wrote: | | lomsie wrote: | | Quote: | | i love the little insulated world people live in sometimes. MOST people dont watch the same stuff we do. its not made exclusively for us. the owners of the material are free to ship it wherever they like. they could make 7,000 crappy death note remakes and ill still love the original material. who cares? |
Seconded.
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i dont love the movie, i was making a general point. i love the manga. it hought the movie was ok, but definitely didnt do the manga justice. it was ok because the source material was great. |
Check what I quoted, then check the bold, underlined word. I was agreeing with you |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Archaenon wrote: | | gakirin wrote: | | Puppet Princess wrote: | | Zealousy wrote: | | ... I hate it when people are against American things, to me, it makes the look like a weeaboo. Japan copies alot of **** from America anyways. |
Perhaps but my logic is, why redo something that's good the way it is?
I also hate American remakes of American movies. Sure most young people are culturally retarded and wont watch anything older than 5 years because that's just ancient.
But I have seen the original of a lot of these remakes.
The original Ocean's Eleven with the rat pack. Brilliant (and only one movie not three >_<) and the remake ruined the bittersweet irony of the whole thing. Sure they win in both version but my favorite scene in the original was the last part in the funeral home where they all watch the coffin full of money burn and laugh.
The Italian Job... has nothing to do with the original because it's not exactly a remake... but more like a sequel decades later.
Though I admit, I hated both versions of Cheaper By the Dozen and Your's Mine and Ours. So, though they tried to improve those... they didn't really. |
Battlestar Galactica
The Incredible Hulk coming out this year
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
And while we're on the topic of arguing whether or not america takes good movies and remakes them badly:
Infernal Affairs/The Departed
Ok so, both cultures steal from each other. We have japanophiles. You have "gangstas" wearing bling.
Why don't you all stop being prejudiced, sit down, and see that both parties are guilty of robbing the other of it's cultural practices for their own benefit.
But what you are failing to recognize is that this a good thing. We are both looking at one another's products and appreciating them, wanting to adapt them into our own world.
Now stop whining and appreciate how wonderful that is. |
^ Most thought out comment in this entire thread.
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Most thought out post? No. I don't think that a post that tells me how I am supposed to feel about remakes is thought out at all. I have the right to not like something. I don't have to fall in line and praise something I don't like. This isn't communism or fascism, is it? And fact is: I don't like remakes (99% of the remakes are garbage). I don't like Hollywood. BSG is not "Hollywood", it's a TV production. And for one BSG you get 100 things like Supernatural or Heroes (none of which actually amazed me, I actually boycotted Heroes after hearing of Ms Panettiere's stupidity and attention-whore-ness (the stunt she pulled in Japan with those dolphins was just dumb), not that the series was great to begin with). I think it's even worse. For one SG-1 you get 1000 pieces of crap. Then again, things like SG-1 or BSG aren't just "American" productions. RDA is not US American. Neither is Bamber in BSG. So it stays somewhat international (at least when it comes down to the cast).
Hollywood was great once. Today it's all silicon and CGI and that simply doesn't do it for me. The giants are all dead or really old. No Orlando Bloom, no Leonardo DiCaprio will ever be able to even remotely beat Jimmy Stewart or Charlton Heston. Never. Those were giants. Then again, different times. I mean, take Jimmy Stewart. That guy flew B-17s over Germany in the war. That takes balls. No modern actor would dare something even remotely like that. Or take the women. Today it's "hold your boobs into the camera", that's hardly amazing. None of those "girls" from these days can compare with The Dietrich, as an example. A movie like Ben Hur... impossible today. Tora Tora Tora... well, we all saw how that was done (horrible Pearl Harbor). Those giants that are still left will die eventually... Eastwood's soon 80, for example.
Frankly, I can't think of any Hollywood remake that really amazed me. Gladiator (there was a movie with the same plot in the 60s)? Flight of the Phoenix? No, not really. Godzilla? Please... Don't. Even. Mention. That. Or I'm really forced to kill you. I hate that piece. I can't even call it a movie. It was horrible. And before you bring it up, I don't care about Hulk movies or others. Marvel et al became somewhat popular (not really) where I live only due to the X-Men movies. I don't care about those, I don't think they're even remotely interesting. Lot's of FX, hardly any visible plot. Sorry, I don't want that and I won't pay for anything like that. Period. 'Sides, the only superhero I ever liked was Batman, simply because he didn't have any of those strange super powers (and yes, I like the new Batman, he's dark and kicks butt, I like that)
Or maybe we should go into movies like... Last Samurai and Memories of a Geisha, which both display how incredibly stupid and arrogant Hollywood can be?
I've heard of a US remake of Battle Royale, and it scares me already. It will be bad, really bad. Then again, Quentin Tarantino once said how much he loved Battle Royale and how great it is. The guy obviously never read the book or listened to the dialogues in the movie (no surprise, lousy actor, lousy director, what do you expect). A US remake will be dumb action and nothing else. No thank you. If this is real, I won't even bother getting within a 10 mile radius of it. Why should I? Why should I bother with a lame knockoff when I have the original? Plus... the remake won't have Shibasaki, Kuriyama and Maeda, so why bother? I don't care for the typical Hollywood starlet. I think they suck, sometimes even literally (how else would some of them get the parts they play, ever heard of "casting couch"?) Give me Shibasaki Kou, Nakama Yukie or Kuroki Hitomi over all those Hollywood "chicks" any day.
As for series... where I live, 90% of the TV series are American crap (sorry, but most of them are pure and utter garbage, stuff like... Heroes, Supernatural, 24 (which bored me to death after season 1)). 9.9% are productions by our own stations (which suck just as bad) But luckily... there's one tv station here that's showing... The Doctor! Yes, Doctor Who. Now, that's one hell of a series and one hell of a franchise. Just... amazing. I dropped Star Trek and Stargate for Who. Doctor Who... they have real actors in it. Who'd have thought!
Na, they can make their unoriginal remakes, I just won't watch them. Why should I? I don't think they're interesting. Why waste time on them? If you want to do that, fine, so be it. I don't care. But don't tell me I have to like them. I make that decision for myself, thank you. Just because you like it doesn't mean I have to like it as well. This is still a free society where I can make my own decision over what I like and what I don't. Luckily there's no state enforcing certain opinions with the Tokko or Kempeitai.
Then again... I rarely go to the movies and when I go, chances that it's a Hollywood movie are next to zero (except maybe the new Batman or something that sounds REALLY interesting).
And no, I'm also not too fond of Japanese remakes of Japanese movies. What's with the Kurosawa revival? Everyone seems to remake his movies, no matter how futile that is. Hidden Fortress? Sanjuro? Oh please, no one can replace or beat Mifune! What's next? Seven Samurai? I fear already.
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Puppet PrincessJoined: 03 Sep 2006 Total posts: 1400 Location: Hawaii Age: 19 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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^ Would it be too hilarious to remind people that like the entire BSG cast is Canadian? lol
The problem with hollywood these days is they don't think through their stories. The only thing they think about is how they can create sequels and make another season after the last one so the can make more money. Most shows these days have great first seasons. But they are stories that should only have one season. 24 was a great concept and brilliantly executed... until they started the next story season. Lost was awesome.... until you realize that the writers don't know any of the answers you are hoping they will give you. Why? They never think of the end because that means they have to plan to stop their cash cow. This of course is ironic because not planning the end just insures that it will end. Usually with no one being happy.
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karennxaJoined: 06 Jun 2008 Total posts: 5 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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oh god >_> i don't even want to see that happen.
it's not like i have anything against america since i live here. but one thing i know is that
whenever there's a remake of an asian movie, it always fails horirbly.
i.e. the eye.
i really hope they don't make it. it's kind of like when another country tries to make money by remkaing a different countries movie. it almost always fails. and i don't really want to see a bunch of stupid teens walking around everywhere after the movie airs turning into weeaboos.
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lomsieJoined: 26 Sep 2007 Total posts: 29 Age: 22 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Damn, why doesn't everyone stop bitching and reserve judgment until after the movie comes out? There are plenty of movies I thought I would despise, but actually liked after I saw it. Conversely, there are movies I was really excited about, but fell way below my expectations.
It could be good, or it could bomb and we'd have a crap load of otaku-weeaboos walking around (but how different is that to the way things are now.....haha....?
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minamichan03Joined: 12 May 2008 Total posts: 133 Location: Philippines Age: 17 Gender: Female |
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garnet07Joined: 04 May 2004 Total posts: 371 Location: Cali, USA Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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Just watch the anime, or for that matter read the manga. The movies were ok except that they added some unnecessary stuff, and deleted crucial moments on the manga. The actors , especially L was perfect so no one can top him. As for Kira, I thought hecould have done a better job. No offense to the actor (forgetting his name), but he just didn't have the malice that Kira supposed to have, but he was still pretty good from Battle Royale.
Therefore, if America does do a remake of Death Note, it better follow the story well and pick actors that match their counterparts or else it would just be a dud. And true, they better not focus on sex, drugs and rock n roll  (well there might be rock n roll for the bg music , but u know what I mean)
Sorry for being off topic:
Another remake to mention is The Eye. I haven't watched the American version yet, but only the Chinese version. I really loved the Chinese version so I wanted to know if you've seen the American version with Jessica Alba, how was it? My cousin told me they changed so many stuff and of course added more sex scenes which was implied only (not directly) in the Chinese version._________________ 
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PhilsterTJoined: 26 Mar 2004 Total posts: 370 Location: Seattle, WA Gender: Male |
| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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There, in my opinion, is nothing wrong with remaking something. Mainly because, an American version of a show has more appeal to an American audience, then it's original verison (not always).
Source material is left open for interpretation, take Romeo & Juliet:
American Version: West Side Story
Japanese Version: Go
Both won academys and are phonominal movies, and despite slight changes in story, and/or characters, they are both amazingly profound films.
Who cares if America remakes Death Note; if you are anti-American, don't watch it.
And what's with this: 90% of American television is utter ****. Well, uh, that goes for almost any country. I've seen some horrible Japanese dramas before, as well as American shows. Bad shows are not unique to the US.
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Egg-chanJoined: 19 Feb 2007 Total posts: 322 Age: 21 Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| PhilsterT wrote: | | And what's with this: 90% of American television is utter ****. Well, uh, that goes for almost any country. I've seen some horrible Japanese dramas before, as well as American shows. Bad shows are not unique to the US. |
I think the problem is that 90% of American television is "reality shows" now... blech...
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GomiMomiJoined: 12 Jun 2008 Total posts: 49 Location: United States Gender: Female |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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I've been keeping quiet, but this is just the song that doesn't end... 
Let me try this on ppl (I'm sure it won't do any good, but what the heck):
Ppl complain that Jdramas don't have originality anymore. They're just turning manga/anime or novels onto the small screen instead of making original screenplays like they used to. Some are adaptions widely praised by fans, and others are widely panned efforts. It's honestly a very mixed bag in terms of actual quality, but the fans still watch, they still pull in the ratings, and TV stations end up doing even more adaptions (of widely varying quality).
JMovies too... Instead of original material, a lot of big screen blockbuster films are built off a previously existing fanbase: manga/anime, novels, and even JDramas (which are usually based off manga/anime again -- it's like a snake eating it's own tail  ). How good are they? Ehhh...They can vary pretty widely too. There are great ones and there are very meh ones.
I guess I just can't see why ppl have such intense feelings one way or another about this...
In truth, it all boils down to the side effects of being a remake -- a reinterpretation of a story already in existence. Ppl's reactions to any remake will be biased by how familiar and attached they are to the previous incarnation.
If you ask me, tagging this as an American or Hollywood phenomenon is just a red herring.
In the end, the original creators are still getting paid and they're getting further promotion/access to a larger audience. If the audiences don't like it, they can blame it on the adaption. They really don't lose much. Source material is source material.
meh....
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nikochanr3Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Total posts: 649 Location: NY Gender: Male |
| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| garnet07 wrote: | Just watch the anime, or for that matter read the manga. The movies were ok except that they added some unnecessary stuff, and deleted crucial moments on the manga. The actors , especially L was perfect so no one can top him. As for Kira, I thought hecould have done a better job. No offense to the actor (forgetting his name), but he just didn't have the malice that Kira supposed to have, but he was still pretty good from Battle Royale.
Therefore, if America does do a remake of Death Note, it better follow the story well and pick actors that match their counterparts or else it would just be a dud. And true, they better not focus on sex, drugs and rock n roll (well there might be rock n roll for the bg music , but u know what I mean)
Sorry for being off topic:
Another remake to mention is The Eye. I haven't watched the American version yet, but only the Chinese version. I really loved the Chinese version so I wanted to know if you've seen the American version with Jessica Alba, how was it? My cousin told me they changed so many stuff and of course added more sex scenes which was implied only (not directly) in the Chinese version. |
i think THE EYE is a decent horror movie (the american) if you are just looking for a fun popcornish movie. if you are loking for something great, NO. If you really love the original, and are looking for a scene by scene remake or something as good, NO NO NO.
i think jessica alba is a problem. its not i dont like her (i think shes gorgeous and i like her) but she is too nice looking, she totally take you out of any belief that something bad is going on.
so the american EYE is decent, but nowhere at all near the original and if thats what you are looking for, its not even worh the watch._________________ Please visit my homepage! Nikos World
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