Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
Okay, it looks like starting episodes 24 or 25, we're going to get a story reset. Frankly I'm still surprised that Lee Dong Chul is actually alive!!
Thoughts on Episode 23 . . .
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East of Eden bit off MiSa BIG BIG BIG TIME in this episode. Doomed lovers at the beach? Female heroine wearing baggy clothes? Tragic hero guy knowing that there's no escape from certain death? That piece of orchestral music that sounds a bit like the tango piece from MiSa? "Sarang ne ajusshii? SARANG NE AJUSSHI"
How dare you.
How dare you East of Eden.
Yeah . . . I loved this episode. I'm easy.
Sigh. I think what kills me is that Grace really did develop as a character, and their love seemed to evolve through the 20+ episodes. Because of the casting, you knew that it couldn't be. You feared that Grace would get killed accidentally. You thought that Lee Dong Chul would get castrated or lose an eye or at least a finger for loving the Don's daughter.
But, above all, what I liked was that, in a way, they for one episode got to start over. In the beginning. When she was a spunky, spoiled brat. And he was a Dickensian roamer improvising day. When he could see her as a just a woman, and not the daughter of his dangerous boss, not the unhappy puppet of her father, not the Gambino's take off Pandora's Box.
At least their relationship went full circle. It was always doomed, but they did develop and mature and evolve and that was satisfying,
I'm just glad Lee Dong Chul doesn't die. Dude, that was a big ass knife her dad was holding!
@kazenai,
That is from a music video project called "Love Song 2008", starring Song Seung Heon, Lee Yeon Hee, and Park Yong Ha. So, yes, SSH and LYH (who's kind of become a queen of these mini-movies) had already done a smaller project together before they did East of Eden. And like EofE it involves gangsters. Like SSH's 2008 movie Destiny, it involves fighting and copious shirtless shots of SSH.
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
kim_calvz, thank you!!!!! They do look good together but I just get depress when I see how the DC and YR story is going
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the preview in for ep 25 seems that DC visits YR again after such a painful goodbye so I guess it's not goodbye yet in ep 23 or 24
.......I mean how many times do they have to say goodbye then all of a sudden they are back again.....I just think their story is to repetitive.......I don't really have any couple that I support, it used to be that I like the idea of DC-HR but I mean it is already in the middle of the series but the DC-YR is still not resolved and would probably not be resolved anytime soon so that just sort of gets to me......hope it will find its real closure.......or I'm already on the verge of lossing interest.....no matter how much I love the acting of the rest of the cast, it's just that DC-YR story goes around in circle which just for me is a buzz kill........sorry for their fans here but I liked the story of EOE but if this goes on I would probably just get back to it when it finally end.......sorry........
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
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.no matter how much I love the acting of the rest of the cast, it's just that DC-YR story goes around in circle which just for me is a buzz kill......
Definitely. I also think DC storyline was starting to go in circles, what with him taking on 20 random guys seemingly every episode. After awhile, I just wonder "don't criminals use knives? Tony and the Jets, they used knives! Montagues and Capulets, they used swords! do people need fake mining accidents to properly kill people off in Korea?!?"
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the preview in for ep 25 seems that DC visits YR again after such a painful goodbye so I guess it's not goodbye yet in ep 23 or 24
Yeah, I think we're getting the closure scene too. This is a little like MiSa in that the female protoganist, apart from her lover, starts to lose her mind and her will. What I liked about EofE is that they set up this condition pretty early. President Guk is one of my favorite characters, and the Guk family is always fun to watch . . . but the jokes and snappy repartee eased that she was effectively a bird in his cage all her life, a well-kept bargaining chip for his means. It looks like the time jump (haven't seen Episode 24 yet) will be about another 2-3 years (placing the storyline now pretty close to the Seoul Olympics), and so in that time, it's reasonable to believe that Grace's mind and will are effectively gone. She's a lost soul (is she still married to Mike; he may be her caretaker), and him seeing her is his proper goodbye.
This seems inevitable to me, because the LDC-MHR storyline needs to start. I don't even think they know each other's name yet!
Mostly I'm hoping for a new storyline for LDC. After the time jump, it's clear that he's left that life, and that everybody's visibly aged. SSH taking on the entire crime base of Korea underneath the bridge will not work for another 25 episodes.
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
anneramos
yes anneramos...i am loosing my interest every time Lee Dong chul and Young-ran having some romance.......but yet i am being patient..because i am still looking forward for Min hye-rin i really want them... the only reason why i am watching East of Eden is to be mesmerize for the romance of Lee Dong-chul and Min Hye-rin....coz i find it very interesting...how could Lee DOng-chul forget his first love ....
despite the fact that they really don't have interest to each other....(Min Hye-rin introduced her self to Lee Dong-chul in episode 24)
how the story will evolve between two different people
i really want to start the love line between Lee Dong-chul and Min Hye-rin.....
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0
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despite the fact that they really don't have interest to each other....(Min Hye-rin introduced her self to Lee Dong-chul in episode 24)
The other thing that bothers me is that
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Aren't MHR and LDW informally together? Or, if not together, still close friends? Unlike LDC/YR, MHR and LDW built a healthy and close bond over many years. Once MHR and LDC start meeting each other regularly, one would assume that they will find out that he's LDW's brother and that's that. Off limits.
I think my problem with their storyline is that they've waited so, so long to set up their storyline. Up to episode 24, they didn't even know each other's names, and both have been involved with other people. Also, I like LDW a lot. Both brothers have suffered greatly, and after the truth comes out, LDW will be a lost soul. They both deserve to be happy.
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
I'm going for Grace and Dong Chul all the way, but I'm sure they won't end up together. It kills me to know that he'll most likely end up with Hye Rin. I mean how can that happen? They seem so perfect. Just as their love was growing, it had to end. That's completely blehh.
I mean I've watched a lot of korean dramas, and Lee Da-Hae is my favorite actress, but I prefer her character in this drama sticking with Dong Wook. I mean if LDH goes with SSH ... it's kind of blehhh ... they're too alike (personality wise). I always thought LDH is more suitable with Dong Wook, now that I know DW can't go with Ji-Hyun.
It really kills ... to know that they'll fall apart. I don't know ... at the beginning, my fav. couple was Ji Hyun and Dong Wook and now it's Dong Chul and Young-Ran. Although, they're all breaking apart GRR .
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
15 episodes down; slowly losing interest.....
I take back what I said about liking SSH more than I thought I would. I think Dennis Oh had so much screen time in Ep6 that he made everybody look awesome. And for some reason I thought LYH was one of the better young actresses but she does not convince me one bit. It doesn't help that her character grates on my nerves.
I absolutely HATE the LDC and GYR couple. Am I the only one who thinks they have NO chemistry at all? I never once felt that DC likes her but it's obvious YR is fond of him. I am annoyed at how we're supposed to believe that they are truly in love. The tearful and angst-y kiss scene on the boat in Ep15 was just awful, aside from the pretty song (Red Bean - Lee Hae Ri) that played in the background. Their characters don't connect with each other at all and I'm supposed to feel bad that they can't be together?
And what was with that time jump? All of a sudden, Ji Hyun is so happy with her new family but everyone else is EXACTLY where they were before. 3 years is a long time...you would think at least a few other characters would've made some progress in whatever they've been trying to do.
On the other hand, Lee Da Hae seriously rocks. I can't wait until she becomes SSH's love interest and starts playing a bigger role. I need her to help me get through the remaining 35 ( ) episodes of this series.
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
@fizzle,
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15 episodes down; slowly losing interest.....
In fact, you haven't even gotten to the slow part. Haha ahhh
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I absolutely HATE the LDC and GYR couple. Am I the only one who thinks they have NO chemistry at all?
They're not popular at all; most people really hate Grace, and well everybody kinda knows that LDC/GYR won't be the main couple. They kinda grew on me; Grace was so verbally and physically abusive to him, and well I guess I'm kinda the same way so it made me smile everytime she slapped him. It's, you know, affectionate.
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I think it's kinda like, as the show progresses from 15-23, you really wonder out loud why LDC is even doing this. He's ostracized from his family; he's not really closer to avenging his father; she correctly recognizes that he is a tool for her father. Above all, he starts to get into beaten up episode after episode, staring down death. What good is it all for? And, you know, you can even see that in SSH's performance; as LDC, he too looks like he wants to leave this life.
That desire is articulated in his feelings for Grace. In turn, as she approaches her wedding, her bitterness and distance turns into anger and sadness . . .and finally through episode 18, you actually see that her feelings turn wistful and tender for him. The wedding is a kind of death for her; she must confront it, and she does, and given the overwhelming sadness she feels about not only losing him but saying goodbye to her real freedom, both parties start expressing the regret over each other.
In that way, it's not that I think they're a great couple. It's just that both people are truly sad, and that in their miserable lives (given the violence that surrounds her father, Grace's life seems distinctly more miserable) seem alleviated by their company. There's a weary fatalism too. Their relationship is doomed; and so, when they start accepting their feelings, it is a cathartic experience, a release demured with the acceptance that there is no future, no escape. All they have/had is now. SSH has a nice performance here; his LDC is painfully, fatalistically aware of the consequences.
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All of a sudden, Ji Hyun is so happy with her new family but everyone else is EXACTLY where they were before.
What's interesting is trying to understand how Ji Hyun feels about her husband, Mr. Rapist Psycho Nice Guy. At first, it feels very strange how friendly and cooperative they seem as a family unit. Then pieces of Ji Hyun's veil starts to unravel. Watching through episode 25, I think Han Ji Hye is NOW delivering the strongest performance among the 3 young female leads. She evokes a mix of bitterness and troubled conscience in her performance; peeled back, you start to see how she continues to reject Mr. Rapist Psycho Nice Guy.
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On the other hand, Lee Da Hae seriously rocks.
I raved about her performance as MHR early on in the show . . . but MHR is maybe the least interesting of the three characters now. She's involved in her own troubled life, but those scenes suck the life out of the picture; their situation seems so unrelated to the rest of the story. You just get the sense that her character is in a holding pattern until the 2nd half of the story begins. It's not Lee Da Hae's fault, but that sometimes she's overacting in order to substantiate her character's troubled personality.
@sunshine,
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I mean if LDH goes with SSH ... it's kind of blehhh ... they're too alike (personality wise).
I think it depends on where the story takes LDC. If they continue his crime path, then you have a pretty good setup between MYR's somewhat holier-than-thou and reckless morality, and LDC's pragmatic amoralism. If, however, LDC does go legit . . . it IS kinda boring, no?
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my fav. couple was Ji Hyun and Dong Wook
I actually like Yun Jung Hoon and HJH's acting chemistry in general. PHJ and HJH is okay too, if PHJ's character wasn't so crazy. YJH and LDH is "okay"; even if their relationship doesn't get much further, I don't feel that much about them.
SSH and LDH chemistry is potent to me. Take out the music; the motorcycle rides; the awkward glances; they just look good together. Like you see these two beautiful people and go "those two should be dating!"
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:25 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
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Wow! really, they(Song & Da Hae) come up together(in epi 24)? Oh,.... I love to see it & cannot help to wait.
Not much to write home about, except for LDH's clothing essemble, which includes a leather vest, a rock-n-rolla coat, and 80s-style (but not excessive) frills. Her new look, complete with some subtle eye makeup and soft curls tied back, is straight from the Han Ji Hye school of powerbroker fashion. She looks absolutely fierce, saying "I am a corporate player and all the men in this room will abide by my terms." I just loved her clothes, especially the cuffs with the coat. A lil bit of Mick Jagger there.
Oh and I just realized that the Lee brothers have a Love Theme. Ahhh, that's sweet.
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: To Nyar Nyar Post Rating: 0
Hey Nyar Nyar.....as i promised here it is
Min Hye-rin asked Lee Dong-chul to sell his property to Hansen newspaper.
but then Lee Dong-chul refused her offer.
Myin Hye-rin asked if he still remember her?
(and i am enthusiastic to Lee Dong-chul because he still rember her face.. )
but somehow they are not interested to each other(as of now?)because they are in love with someone else!!!!!
go to youtube and search for east of eden i'm pretty sure that you can find MV's about them or videos behind the scene and interview(by the way i uploaded the interview of Lee Da-hae on the set..watch it)...and try to read some of the comments....there are some bashful fans of Lee Yeon-hee and Lee Da-hae...ㅋㅋ.......and i think i am one of them ㅋㅋ...ㅋㅋ
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Oh and I just realized that the Lee brothers have a Love Theme. Ahhh, that's sweet. Big Smile
yeah!!!! it's funny in away that they really loved each other ....every time i see them holding hands, embracing like there are no other people in the world only the two of them (ah!!!!...very touching)
ㅋㅋ..... i wonder what would they feel if they knew that they are not related at all...,,,,,who is gonna puke first!!!!???(joke)
Look at the pictures of Myin Hye-rin and Lee Dong-chul....i can only say is..........aaaaawwww........i want more!!!
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: To Dear Kim,Song & Da Hae looks so matching Post Rating: 0
Oh Kim,
You are so lovely!
Finally, you made it for me. Kumbunwa. I love it.
In your pix, Song & Da Hae looks so matching & the way they look each other(I don't want to believe they are in love with other's else, Hmm?, especially Song' eye are so alive)
Hey, step by step, I think they gonna fall for each other(I wish).
By the way, I cannot access to Youtube as I told, here are some banned site by......, & youtube is one of those. Oh , I miss the golden chance to see the interviews(I'm also interested in interviews of actors/actress talk/comment abt each other behind the scene).
Anyway, Khitayiyo(I'll be waiting your coming post & I hope there will be much more of S & DH.
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0
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In your pix, Song & Da Hae looks so matching & the way they look each other(I don't want to believe they are in love with other's else, Hmm?, especially Song' eye are so alive)
There's a lot of speculation about how they're going to set up the LDC/MHR storyline, especially after episodes 23-25. Episode 25 is very, very sad.
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One thing I liked about the LDC/YR storyline was how we were allowed to watch their relationship develop and change, and Grace develop and change through the years. It isn't so much that we watch their love develop, so much as we watch them both rise and fall. And now we see that Grace, the brat princess (hiding a bitter, lonely heart), has disintegrated into a shell of herself. Yet, from her destroyed will, she is able to love him as selflessly and deeply as she can. In episode 25, both aspects torment Dong Chul; the former, because he cannot believe what she has become, and the latter because he could not believe that their love had done this to her.
I think SSH has the strongest emotional connection to brotherly, nurturing emotions; when he depicts anguish, it seems against specifically those instincts. Here The way the episode depicts her mind locked up in her hallucinations and broken will, plays off a little bit of gothic melodrama. Against a dark, dark apparition-like backdrop, SSH really brings out the anguish of LDC's soul. Her state violates the fiber of his character's compassion and regard for others.
It's heartbreaking as she calls out for her father, for Mike. Here we see the barest of what we suspected, that her life was a dark, dark dollhouse.
For the first time, I wonder whether the writers intend to perhaps have LDC/YR be there at the end. It's pretty clear that we've seen now will continue to haunt him deeply. So much so that he would feel too guilty to love another woman.
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: Hello Belleza, Post Rating: 0
belleza wrote:
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In your pix, Song & Da Hae looks so matching & the way they look each other(I don't want to believe they are in love with other's else, Hmm?, especially Song' eye are so alive)
There's a lot of speculation about how they're going to set up the LDC/MHR storyline, especially after episodes 23-25. Episode 25 is very, very sad.
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One thing I liked about the LDC/YR storyline was how we were allowed to watch their relationship develop and change, and Grace develop and change through the years. It isn't so much that we watch their love develop, so much as we watch them both rise and fall. And now we see that Grace, the brat princess (hiding a bitter, lonely heart), has disintegrated into a shell of herself. Yet, from her destroyed will, she is able to love him as selflessly and deeply as she can. In episode 25, both aspects torment Dong Chul; the former, because he cannot believe what she has become, and the latter because he could not believe that their love had done this to her.
I think SSH has the strongest emotional connection to brotherly, nurturing emotions; when he depicts anguish, it seems against specifically those instincts. Here The way the episode depicts her mind locked up in her hallucinations and broken will, plays off a little bit of gothic melodrama. Against a dark, dark apparition-like backdrop, SSH really brings out the anguish of LDC's soul. Her state violates the fiber of his character's compassion and regard for others.
It's heartbreaking as she calls out for her father, for Mike. Here we see the barest of what we suspected, that her life was a dark, dark dollhouse.
For the first time, I wonder whether the writers intend to perhaps have LDC/YR be there at the end. It's pretty clear that we've seen now will continue to haunt him deeply. So much so that he would feel too guilty to love another woman.
Hi Belleza,
Per your portrial, I think LDC's love for YR is brotherly & only wants to guard her from dangers(I've seen in some reviews that he's bodygurad to YR).
As far as I've seen K-series, they(actor(or) actress) can easily change their love one to another person but some are exceptional.
Anyway, thanks to your update of this one & hope to see some more.
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