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 Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Fansubs on streaming sites Post Rating: 0 |
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| MPNiea wrote: | | Though it is certainly not right to remove or cover up a fansubber's logo on a video file - thus purposely refusing to acknowledge any credit where credit is due, streaming the subbed videos is quite convenient. I have all but gave up trying to track down and download subbed videos, as it has become extremely difficult to find active torrents for older series. Streaming sites offer not only accessibility instantly, but they also provide free advertisement for fansub groups who are acknowledged and for good drama series commonly glossed over by a plethora of lesser quality series. |
...... Wow, did you not read this entire thread? We DO NOT WANT ADVERTISEMENT.
Here, read this, maybe it'll open your eyes: http://community.livejournal.com/sbkfansubs/11811.html?mode=reply
| abcd99 wrote: | We don't need no stinking advertisements.
We don't need no stinking legal troubles by getting more popular.
We don't need no stinking fans.
We just sub drama for the heck of it.
If we find it very bothersome that our work is getting streamed, we might as well stop our effort and piss everyone.
We don't need stinking sub to watch our favorite dramas.
So, suck to our terms or else! |
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SaragornLocation: US Gender: Female |
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MPNiea Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Total posts: 7 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Fansubs on streaming sites Post Rating: 0 |
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| Ladymercury wrote: |
...... Wow, did you not read this entire thread? We DO NOT WANT ADVERTISEMENT.
Here, read this, maybe it'll open your eyes: http://community.livejournal.com/sbkfansubs/11811.html?mode=reply
| abcd99 wrote: | We don't need no stinking advertisements.
We don't need no stinking legal troubles by getting more popular.
We don't need no stinking fans.
We just sub drama for the heck of it.
If we find it very bothersome that our work is getting streamed, we might as well stop our effort and piss everyone.
We don't need stinking sub to watch our favorite dramas.
So, suck to our terms or else! |
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Eh, if fansubbers have no desire to advertise or, as abcd99 has argued, fans, then why bother stamping the video or writing guidelines that explicitly declare a particular file as one's own product? After all, distributing the subbed video with markings identifying any one fansub group is a primary form of advertisement. The only logical solution to prevent legal troubles or to dissolve all forms of advertisement is to anonymously sub and widely distribute the product across the net.
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Fansubs on streaming sites Post Rating: 0 |
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| MPNiea wrote: | | Ladymercury wrote: |
...... Wow, did you not read this entire thread? We DO NOT WANT ADVERTISEMENT.
Here, read this, maybe it'll open your eyes: http://community.livejournal.com/sbkfansubs/11811.html?mode=reply
| abcd99 wrote: | We don't need no stinking advertisements.
We don't need no stinking legal troubles by getting more popular.
We don't need no stinking fans.
We just sub drama for the heck of it.
If we find it very bothersome that our work is getting streamed, we might as well stop our effort and piss everyone.
We don't need stinking sub to watch our favorite dramas.
So, suck to our terms or else! |
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Eh, if fansubbers have no desire to advertise or, as abcd99 has argued, fans, then why bother stamping the video or writing guidelines that explicitly declare a particular file as one's own product? After all, distributing the subbed video with markings identifying any one fansub group is a primary form of advertisement. The only logical solution to prevent legal troubles or to dissolve all forms of advertisement is to anonymously sub and widely distribute the product across the net. |
Because if we did not put our stamp on the fansubs, anyone can just take our hard earned work and claim it as their own, now that argument makes no sense now does it?
You can try to support stream sites all you want, but your arguments make little to no sense to us fansubbers and just further proves your ignorance and blatant disregard of the issue and to our sake.
If we wanted our fansubs on stream sites we would put it up OURSELVES. We don't need you guys to do it, don't act like you're doing us a favor. If we can time, translate, encode, and upload a fansub I think we know how to release on a stream site if we wanted to as well. But we don't and you guys putting our work up without permission is plain, and flat out, disrespect to us and the fansubbing community.
Respect our wishes as a fansubber, don't disrespect us and our work.
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SaragornLocation: US Gender: Female |
| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| MPNiea wrote: | | Eh, if fansubbers have no desire to advertise or, as abcd99 has argued, fans, then why bother stamping the video or writing guidelines that explicitly declare a particular file as one's own product? After all, distributing the subbed video with markings identifying any one fansub group is a primary form of advertisement. The only logical solution to prevent legal troubles or to dissolve all forms of advertisement is to anonymously sub and widely distribute the product across the net. |
We want members of our community to know where to find our subs, not the streaming community, which endangers us. We were perfectly cozy where we were before people started uploading to streaming sites. The only logical solution is for the dramacrazy fans to go back to the animecrazy section of the forum and leave my stuff alone.
| Ladymercury wrote: | If we wanted our fansubs on stream sites we would put it up OURSELVES. We don't need you guys to do it, don't act like you're doing us a favor. If we can time, translate, encode, and upload a fansub I think we know how to release on a stream site if we wanted to as well. But we don't and you guys putting our work up without permission is plain, and flat out, disrespect to us and the fansubbing community.
Respect our wishes as a fansubber, don't disrespect us and our work. |
Exactly. When someone gives you a cookie, do you say, "Where's my milk, you jerk?" and punch them?_________________ 
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aNToKJoined: 21 Feb 2004 Total posts: 2469 Location: East Bay Gender: Male |
| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Fansubs on streaming sites Post Rating: 2 |
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| MPNiea wrote: |
Eh, if fansubbers have no desire to advertise or, as abcd99 has argued, fans, then why bother stamping the video or writing guidelines that explicitly declare a particular file as one's own product? After all, distributing the subbed video with markings identifying any one fansub group is a primary form of advertisement. The only logical solution to prevent legal troubles or to dissolve all forms of advertisement is to anonymously sub and widely distribute the product across the net. |
Y'know, it's funny how the vast majority of people who are all for streaming are the same ones who don't contribute jack crap to the community whatsoever.
Take MPNtheass for instance: Been a member for well over a year, have not contributed a damn post to the community whatsovever (oops, sorry. 1 post in 1 thread last year). The other 3 or 4 were seed requests that apparently weren't answered fast enough for your impatient ass.
Here's a newsflash for your confusion, sparky: You are NOT a part of this community. You have contributed nothing. Have you ever even taken 5 seconds to thank one person responsible for anything you've downloaded? No. Not one. Have you ever offered to help out on anything? Never. Have you ever participated in one discussion anywhere in this forum? One post that reeked of oversimplification, overgeneralization, and a lack of understanding of the topic. One post.
You, sir, ma'am, whatever, are simply a greedy, unappreciative little leech who has zero consideration for the work that any of the subbers put in. The only thing you are concerned with is getting whatever you want whenever you want it and screw whoever doesn't like it. You are exactly the kind of non-member that this community would be well rid of.
I could go on, but frankly, you're not worth the time it'd take to type any more. Probably either working for or one of the idiots contributing money to DC anyway.
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eyeJoined: 02 May 2006 Total posts: 120 |
| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Fansubs on streaming sites Post Rating: -1 |
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| Ladymercury wrote: | | Because if we did not put our stamp on the fansubs, anyone can just take our hard earned work and claim it as their own, now that argument makes no sense now does it? |
As long as you don't put your real name into the credits, anyone can claim ownership anyway, because anyone can claim to be "Ladymercury". You could as well publish the fansub anonymously. It wouldn't make any difference at all.
| Quote: | | If we wanted our fansubs on stream sites we would put it up OURSELVES. |
So what? If the drama producers wanted their work on the D-Addicts tracker, they would put it up THEMSELVES.
| Quote: | | We don't need you guys to do it, don't act like you're doing us a favor. |
The favor is not towards the fansubbers but towards the viewers. The point is: As long as there are people who prefer streaming sites over BitTorrent, you cannot argue that the streamers add some value to the product. You may not like it, but they do provide a service that many people seem to be looking for.
Now the central question is: Do they require authorization any more than you do? The answer is No. The end result is unauthorized streaming of an unauthorized fansub. Pot and kettle, equally black._________________  |
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Fansubs on streaming sites Post Rating: 0 |
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| eye wrote: | | The favor is not towards the fansubbers but towards the viewers. The point is: As long as there are people who prefer streaming sites over BitTorrent, you cannot argue that the streamers add some value to the product. You may not like it, but they do provide a service that many people seem to be looking for.. |
A service WE didn't agree with. Want fansubbed **** streamed -- go bust your ass four, five, six, seven or more days on a project and upload it your own damned self.
Nuff said on the issue.
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Chen YisiJoined: 27 Feb 2008 Total posts: 240 Location: Reading/Paris Gender: Female |
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abcd99Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Total posts: 1572 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:12 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| eye wrote: | | As long as you don't put your real name into the credits, anyone can claim ownership anyway, because anyone can claim to be "Ladymercury". You could as well publish the fansub anonymously. It wouldn't make any difference at all. |
Yes it does make difference. If you put a watermark on your works, even with your nickname, and put the website you always hang around in it, people will find you. It is relatively easy to verify a virtual identity. Anyone can try to impersonate me as abcd99 in other website, for example. However, those who hang around here will know that the real me is here, not in some other websites. I can and may register to other forums with the same nickname. When that's the case, people can simply verify it by asking me in this place. "Is abcd99 in such and such forum really you?" I can give confirmation on that.
| eye wrote: | | So what? If the drama producers wanted their work on the D-Addicts tracker, they would put it up THEMSELVES. |
It then proves that drama producers don't want their work here. We, fansubbers, do. The subtitle is ours. You can upload the raws elsewhere if you want.
| eye wrote: | | The favor is not towards the fansubbers but towards the viewers. The point is: As long as there are people who prefer streaming sites over BitTorrent, you cannot argue that the streamers add some value to the product. You may not like it, but they do provide a service that many people seem to be looking for. |
No, the favor is toward fansubbers. If we're pissed, we stop subbing. If somehow unsolicited publicity got us served with cease and desist notice, we quit subbing. We DON'T GIVE A DAMN whether the viewers b!tch or not. Go find some other subbers who will do what you want. Good luck. We're not fan-pleasers. Viewers must treat us as gods. Don't piss on us or else.
Your line of reasoning is boiled down to "Since fansubbing is illegal, viewers can do anything with it with no repercussions from fansubbers." That's dead wrong. I won't hesitate punishing shitty fans / viewers. Fansubbers have the upper hand, NOT viewers. Don't mess with them.
The policy of no streaming is adopted in order to avoid unintentional popularity. This will keep us subbing further dramas for you guys. This is a win-win situation, really. If we got too popular and we got served with legal notice, we quit subbing pronto. If you think you won't miss us, you'll be dead wrong. Especially if the fansubber is a special or one-of-a-kind group (e.g. tackling specialized genre or what not).
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aNToKJoined: 21 Feb 2004 Total posts: 2469 Location: East Bay Gender: Male |
| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:24 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| @eye: You were a worthless jackass without a clue when this subject came up 2 years ago, and you're still a worthless jackass without a clue spouting the same crap today. And yes, on occasion, I'm back to swearing here and there, but only sometimes. Aren't you special?
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AkumaXJoined: 19 Apr 2006 Total posts: 1223 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:27 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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awww come on... antok you broke the streak of having the longest amount of un-moderated posts w/o personal attacks....
come now, play nice everyone... 
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abcd99Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Total posts: 1572 Gender: Male |
| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:40 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Since this is pretty much a flamebait thread, can you just lock it? It's futile to let this discussion continue, after all. The points are clear from both sides. I believe D-Addicts is more accommodating towards fansubbers, an attitude I always appreciate. So, in order to avoid further flamewar casualties, can you please lock this stupid thread? Thanks.
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aNToKJoined: 21 Feb 2004 Total posts: 2469 Location: East Bay Gender: Male |
| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:03 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| AkumaX wrote: | awww come on... antok you broke the streak of having the longest amount of un-moderated posts w/o personal attacks....
come now, play nice everyone... |
Sorry, didn't feel like rehashing the little post-fest from '06 on the same subject and that summed up my thoughts quite succinctly. Come to think of it, that thread got locked as well....
Should I turn a blind eye towards it? Oh wait, we already have a blind "eye" here....
couldn't resist that one.....
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AkumaXJoined: 19 Apr 2006 Total posts: 1223 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: Post Rating: 0 |
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| Yeah, it was locked, but then was unlocked because of some new revelations of some sort... I guess I just have too much faith in humanity *sigh*
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