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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:31 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

I did really enhjoy this serie. it's light and at the same time pinpoint some problem we have with the care of the eldery.
On a other note, Does somebody know from whom it's the song we hear throught the serie :"all my soul" (I think)?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:53 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

MisS Lonliah wrote:

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what were their BOSS's real intentions? was it changing Hikoichi? or something related to Yakuza? if so, then the personality/beliefs of the new BOSS 'Riko' hasn't changed at all during the training!
I guess she's the only one who hasn't changed at all?!




Here's my interpretation.
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BOSS's real intention was hinted in Izumi's words and why he was at Taiyo. (Maybe my translation was not clear but) Izumi said at the end that he learned the true meaning of NINKYODO. If you look at Ninkyo Movies from the 60's you will find what real Ninkyo is. Of course at times they went against authorities (in many cases because the authorities became corrupt) but otherwise do everything within their power to protect the weak and poor. Even at the cost of their own life. People depended on the Yakuza. But as time passed, the true meaning of Ninkyo was lost and many Yakuzas had become a freightening existence to many due to their abuse of power.

As for Riko, I think she changed. Before the training she was just a Boss of her group because she was forced to be. Had no confidence as a girl leader and didn't care much for her group. But at the end she said that she "must" protect her group. She had confidence, cared for her group (willing to give up her first love) and above all she gained her group's respect (as seen in the last fighting scene) even before she was appointed as the new leader. She also admitted that she was scared to leave Taiyo which means she did not want to return to the Yakuza world where she would take advantage of the elderly.



I hope this makes sense.

@OnlyWish: The song that Washizu played is called 'Kassai' by Chiaki Naomi. (喝采 ちあき なおみ) You can find it on youtube. She has a nice deep voice =)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:25 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

agape_x wrote:
MisS Lonliah wrote:

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what were their BOSS's real intentions? was it changing Hikoichi? or something related to Yakuza? if so, then the personality/beliefs of the new BOSS 'Riko' hasn't changed at all during the training!
I guess she's the only one who hasn't changed at all?!




Here's my interpretation.
Hidden:

BOSS's real intention was hinted in Izumi's words and why he was at Taiyo. (Maybe my translation was not clear but) Izumi said at the end that he learned the true meaning of NINKYODO. If you look at Ninkyo Movies from the 60's you will find what real Ninkyo is. Of course at times they went against authorities (in many cases because the authorities became corrupt) but otherwise do everything within their power to protect the weak and poor. Even at the cost of their own life. People depended on the Yakuza. But as time passed, the true meaning of Ninkyo was lost and many Yakuzas had become a freightening existence to many due to their abuse of power.

As for Riko, I think she changed. Before the training she was just a Boss of her group because she was forced to be. Had no confidence as a girl leader and didn't care much for her group. But at the end she said that she "must" protect her group. She had confidence, cared for her group (willing to give up her first love) and above all she gained her group's respect (as seen in the last fighting scene) even before she was appointed as the new leader. She also admitted that she was scared to leave Taiyo which means she did not want to return to the Yakuza world where she would take advantage of the elderly.



I hope this makes sense.



yah yah it makes a lot of sense now *refreshing memory*
your translation was perfect Smile
I guess the problem is that I couldn't combine/memorize all of these ideas that u mentioned in my head during those three months pinch this confusion usually occurs with me when I don't watch the whole episodes at once
some dramas keep repeating some scenes so that we can remember them, and when they overdo it, it really becomes annoying... other dramas like Ninkyo Helper never repeated a single sentence.. so anyway, my bad.. thanks a lot for being a great Helper again Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:43 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

ah so
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what happened basically was to teach them how to be better NINKYODOs
Hikoichi became a more gentle Yakuza
and Riko became a strong and confident girl leader
I hope if there was an episode about Izumi or at least something about his past, so that *clumsy people like me* could understand more! lol


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

need to ask, any news about its OST and if its been out or not? I really really really want the opening theme.

@Mis S Lonilah
your sigi is just SOOO HOOOOOOOT!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:56 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Issy wrote:
need to ask, any news about its OST and if its been out or not? I really really really want the opening theme.

@Mis S Lonilah
your sigi is just SOOO HOOOOOOOT!


you mean 'all my soul'?
the OST is already out: Release Date Sep 09, 2009
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9x-49-en-70-3hr6.html
and I'm searching for it too, but couldn't find any download links for it yet Sad


Thanks, i made it deliberately hot Tongue

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

i hope they will give us a proper end with SP episode
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:05 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Yeah I'll be waiting for the SP too, I hope there's a bit Izumi's Past and what goin on after the ending in the drama Smile
I want the "All My Soul" opening theme tooo Crying

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:01 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

all thanks to sakaban lj for uploading the OST. cheers cheers cheers

been listening to All my Soul non-stop since morning. thumright

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:16 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

This article from a rumor media says Ninkyo Helper The Movie has been decided!!
http://entamegeinounotubo.seesaa.net/article/129324311.html

Will premiere around summer next year^^ Hope its true^^

Yay, thanks, Issy, for the OST link!!^o^

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:20 pm    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

Hi there,

Sorry for this silly question but how actually can we download the ost?

Thanx for the help!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:03 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

@Issy: thanks for the link, but unfortunately it says " Error, You are not authorized to view this protected entry." pinch

@cheng83: that's why u can't download the OST from that link for the time being...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

MisS Lonliah and cheng83

You have to be a member of that community first before you can see the entry and download the OST from there. It's not too hard to join and you don't have to answer any question or write any essay. Big Smile You can just click to join the community and that's it. http://community.livejournal.com/jdramas/
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject:    Post Rating: 0 Reply with quote

@nnnc: Big Smile done!!!!! thanks a lot for your help .. I didn't know that I had to join the jdramas community..

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thanx for the help nnnc!
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