Though the tone is different from the manga, this interpretation can hold it's own.
[Discussion] Hana Yori Dango (Meteor Garden Manga) jdrama
Thanks for all the work in bringing this series to us so fast. HYD is one of my favorites. There are lots of derivative storylines out there, but I'm glad to see another version of the original.
I'm enjoy this series very much. HYD is doing a nice job of condensing the storyline so far, and the casting is pretty good. I'm glad that some of the music is reminiscent of the anime. It's very nostalgic. No violin solos from Rui?
Though the tone is different from the manga, this interpretation can hold it's own.
Though the tone is different from the manga, this interpretation can hold it's own.
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I love This drama
I don´t care about wicth version is better.... maybe the manga, maybe the anime....
I don´t know...
Only the certain thing is that this version of the drama is very good and doesn´t have to be equal to the others, otherwise better only we read the Manga or we see animé.
In other words, I prefer to see something different from which already I saw, to be able to surprise me... I believe that the Rui´s rol is different, but I prefer more like this... he is more attractive... but, it is true that the poor Tsukasa seemed not to exist...
BUT... I LOVE THIS VERSION A LOT....
I don´t know...
Only the certain thing is that this version of the drama is very good and doesn´t have to be equal to the others, otherwise better only we read the Manga or we see animé.
In other words, I prefer to see something different from which already I saw, to be able to surprise me... I believe that the Rui´s rol is different, but I prefer more like this... he is more attractive... but, it is true that the poor Tsukasa seemed not to exist...
BUT... I LOVE THIS VERSION A LOT....
I think it'll pretty unlikely to see Junpei, Amon or any other of the later characters since they'll probably only deal with the Tsukushi / Doumyouji / Rui love triangle, considering there won't be more than 9 episodes.
According to what you wrote in the spoiler box, where did you get that information from? It's really sad to hear that, actually. Even though things turned out differently, I still don't like she ever even had it in her mind.
*goes to sleep*
According to what you wrote in the spoiler box, where did you get that information from? It's really sad to hear that, actually. Even though things turned out differently, I still don't like she ever even had it in her mind.
*goes to sleep*
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Kathleen wrote: Dearest fans of the drama, I sincerly wish from the bottom of my heart that
you're feeling the same way.
?@?@
I've already gotten the script before to see how cute Doumyouji's genuinely
and innocently expressed lines are, and the F3 are too funny for the resulting
confusion.
I'm so happy about the great script writer.
"To come this far!" was what the author and the fans enjoyed about its script.
And I can't wait to find out how they will play next.
They had a long way, everyone from the stuff, the whole cast, ?@?@
Please take good care of yourselves.
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It turned out so great, I'm cheering on you from in front of my tv.
?@?@
Kamio Youko
Oh my god!!! Oh my god!!!
Really! thank you for translated this... from the bottom of my heart...
You have no idea... but I'm a truly huge fan from Hanadan...
It's my favorite history.. in manga,anime,drama... however...
And when i saw the first ep ..I was think" How Yoko Kamio will be think about this"
and what she said about Tsukasa.... made me cry...
sometimes i think that I my head don't work well... because i think that the mostly of people don't get how Tsukasa is...
And when people said that Matsumoto Jun wasn't good..
I don't agree..
tsukasa is stupid,violent... but mostly is lonely... and genuine... just like a kid. And is it that make him so lovely.
In the main history line from manga.. you take sometime to get to know how truly is this character...
So when i so the first ep.. i thought:
"Well because this condensation they are already showing all about Tsukasa... this lonely anger...this lonely violence"
and i thought that Jun was good ... He can tell this only looking at you...
And in this second ep.. was perfect...
I have to tell... that
I was so worry about only be 9 ep...
but they show in the second that they can do.. even if is different...
There is the main line, emotions, feelings...
I hope that will be this good at the end...
I was so happy to see Yoko Kamio saying the same thing that i think....
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Kathleen!
Thanks so much for helping to translate this!
It's wonderful.
I think our timezones are opposite and i was sleeping while you were posting this.
Actually i feel really bad coz someone else also translated it in a different forum. But due to the reverse timezones i haven't yet posted it up here... i just woke up...T_T
Still a huge thank you!
Thanks so much for helping to translate this!
It's wonderful.
I think our timezones are opposite and i was sleeping while you were posting this.
Actually i feel really bad coz someone else also translated it in a different forum. But due to the reverse timezones i haven't yet posted it up here... i just woke up...T_T
Still a huge thank you!
Oh, who said Matsumoto Jun as Tsukasa is bad? I don´t think he´s bad at all.makino_sanbr wrote: And when people said that Matsumoto Jun wasn't good..
I don't agree..
tsukasa is stupid,violent... but mostly is lonely... and genuine... just like a kid. And is it that make him so lovely.
In the main history line from manga.. you take sometime to get to know how truly is this character...
So when i so the first ep.. i thought:
"Well because this condensation they are already showing all about Tsukasa... this lonely anger...this lonely violence"
and i thought that Jun was good ... He can tell this only looking at you...
And in this second ep.. was perfect...
I agree with everything you said. I see Tsukasa just as you said above. And I think Jun is doing a good job. At least, he can tell by his look that he´s a lonely and a sad person. Of course another actor could do it better - maybe Oguri Shun - but who knows? I´m satisfied with Jun´s portrayal of Tsukasa - as a manga fan that I am.
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I especially liked this part, mainly because it really hit home that no scene in this drama is wasted. I was wondering why they changed the confrontation with her at the mansion, but the way they tied it into him demanding that she smile for him, and her getting furious as contrasted to the way she naturally smiled for Rui was great.scstyle wrote:when he sees her smiling at Rui at that evening party/function.
This episode really managed to highlight how clumsy Tsukasa is when it comes to his growing feelings. He gets hurt when she doesn't react the way he wants her to, even though he went about it completely the wrong way. He gets jealous, so he bullies those around her in retatilation, but he also can't stand to see her hurt. He tries to protect her without thinking, but Rui gets there first or does him one better.
Poor Tsukasa. You're an ****, but I can't help loving you.
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So does this mean that by second episode, Tsukasa is already in love with Tsukushi? I'm really not clear since we don't have subs yet. Just judging my their facial expressions though, I can see what you're talking about (ie the way he stares at her intensely when she's getting attacked). Well I just think this drama going quite too fast, because by the end of episode 2, we're already at the "accidental kiss" scene which really doesn't work because in the manga, Tsukasa is supposed to be pleasantly surprised (though he is hiding it) and tsukushi is completely horrified; but in the drama, how can he already be at that stage when just before he wanted Tsukushi to lick his shoes?? LOL I'm looking into this way too deeply!!!! OK who knows.... but I look forward to Jun's cute expression following that kiss.musouka wrote:I especially liked this part, mainly because it really hit home that no scene in this drama is wasted. I was wondering why they changed the confrontation with her at the mansion, but the way they tied it into him demanding that she smile for him, and her getting furious as contrasted to the way she naturally smiled for Rui was great.scstyle wrote:when he sees her smiling at Rui at that evening party/function.
This episode really managed to highlight how clumsy Tsukasa is when it comes to his growing feelings. He gets hurt when she doesn't react the way he wants her to, even though he went about it completely the wrong way. He gets jealous, so he bullies those around her in retatilation, but he also can't stand to see her hurt. He tries to protect her without thinking, but Rui gets there first or does him one better.
Poor Tsukasa. You're an ****, but I can't help loving you.
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a lot of people seem really unhappy about the domyouji/rui characterisations, but that's the way it's supposed to work. in the manga, you're supposed to love rui in the beginning and despise domyouji to no ends~ and then once rui gets out of the picture domyouji starts shining like a beacon.
at the moment, the drama has achieved JUST that~~ everyone hates domyouji and loves rui, but at the same time, it's managed to reveal just enough of domyouji's insecurities, just enough of his growing feelings, just enough of his jealousy, to suggest what will/may happen later on. it's only episode 2, folks.
i think someone mentioned that there was a poll after the manga was finished that said rui was the more popular out of him and domyouji~~ but the special that aired before episode one in japan said the opposite~~ after asking about five fans, only one of them was a rui fan. i think a lot of ppl are rui-converted domyouji fans, because granted, domyouji was a total bastard in the beginning.
at the moment, the drama has achieved JUST that~~ everyone hates domyouji and loves rui, but at the same time, it's managed to reveal just enough of domyouji's insecurities, just enough of his growing feelings, just enough of his jealousy, to suggest what will/may happen later on. it's only episode 2, folks.
i think someone mentioned that there was a poll after the manga was finished that said rui was the more popular out of him and domyouji~~ but the special that aired before episode one in japan said the opposite~~ after asking about five fans, only one of them was a rui fan. i think a lot of ppl are rui-converted domyouji fans, because granted, domyouji was a total bastard in the beginning.
hehe sorry for double posting, but...moonlit wrote:So does this mean that by second episode, Tsukasa is already in love with Tsukushi? I'm really not clear since we don't have subs yet. Just judging my their facial expressions though, I can see what you're talking about (ie the way he stares at her intensely when she's getting attacked). Well I just think this drama going quite too fast, because by the end of episode 2, we're already at the "accidental kiss" scene which really doesn't work because in the manga, Tsukasa is supposed to be pleasantly surprised (though he is hiding it) and tsukushi is completely horrified; but in the drama, how can he already be at that stage when just before he wanted Tsukushi to lick his shoes?? LOL I'm looking into this way too deeply!!!! OK who knows.... but I look forward to Jun's cute expression following that kiss.musouka wrote:I especially liked this part, mainly because it really hit home that no scene in this drama is wasted. I was wondering why they changed the confrontation with her at the mansion, but the way they tied it into him demanding that she smile for him, and her getting furious as contrasted to the way she naturally smiled for Rui was great.scstyle wrote:when he sees her smiling at Rui at that evening party/function.
This episode really managed to highlight how clumsy Tsukasa is when it comes to his growing feelings. He gets hurt when she doesn't react the way he wants her to, even though he went about it completely the wrong way. He gets jealous, so he bullies those around her in retatilation, but he also can't stand to see her hurt. He tries to protect her without thinking, but Rui gets there first or does him one better.
Poor Tsukasa. You're an ****, but I can't help loving you.
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I wouldn't say "in love" yet. He's rather like how he was in the beginning of the manga/anime. He clearly likes (not "loves") her, but it is too much for him to accept and deal with so he convers it up by being a total jerk to her. She's made him feel very confused, in other words.moonlit wrote:So does this mean that by second episode, Tsukasa is already in love with Tsukushi?
What you have to keep in mind is that by that point, the situation has slipped from Tsukasa's control. There are just so many wonderful conflicting emotions in that scene!moonlit wrote:but in the drama, how can he already be at that stage when just before he wanted Tsukushi to lick his shoes??
1) Tsukasa is attempting to reassert control over his feelings and the situation by trying to make her lick his shoe. He couldn't stop himself from trying to step in when people strated throwing things at her, but he's not to the stage where he can admit to himself that he is beginning to like her.
2) This is just my conjecture, but I don't think he really "wanted" her to lick his shoe. Well, by that I mean that part of him wanted her to (the "I have to control this!" part), but the part that likes her doesn't. (I hope that makes sense) Just look at his expression when she begins to get on her knees. Very conflicted and torn.
Amusingly enough, I've always been a Tsukasa fan from day one... Though some parts of the manga definitely strained my liking of him, I generally always hoped he'd win the girl.unkei wrote:i think a lot of ppl are rui-converted domyouji fans
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I'm talking about Rui's character/personna during the earlier parts of the story. In the beginning of the manga/anime series - I wouldn't have classified Rui as 'nice' or 'friendly', he was just indifferent and did not really participate in all the hazing/bulling because it was not his sort of thing.There were even a few times when he had said to Makino not to make too much out of his 'kind' gestures. To be honest, in the beginning, I thought Rui was a bit of a jerk too - he was just not as vocal and abrasive as Doumyouji. That's why so far in this drama series, I've felt that Rui is a bit too nice? ^_~unkei wrote:a lot of people seem really unhappy about the domyouji/rui characterisations, but that's the way it's supposed to work. in the manga, you're supposed to love rui in the beginning and despise domyouji to no ends~ and then once rui gets out of the picture domyouji starts shining like a beacon.
at the moment, the drama has achieved JUST that~~ everyone hates domyouji and loves rui, but at the same time, it's managed to reveal just enough of domyouji's insecurities, just enough of his growing feelings, just enough of his jealousy, to suggest what will/may happen later on. it's only episode 2, folks.
i think someone mentioned that there was a poll after the manga was finished that said rui was the more popular out of him and domyouji~~ but the special that aired before episode one in japan said the opposite~~ after asking about five fans, only one of them was a rui fan. i think a lot of ppl are rui-converted domyouji fans, because granted, domyouji was a total bastard in the beginning.
Anyway, I've always been more of a Doumyouji fan and later in the manga series - I started liking Soujirou too. Unfortunately, I don't think they will include Soujirou's storyline in this drama =\
lol~~ i was a rui fan at the beginning, because i'm a sucker for cool and stoic bishounen =D but later on domyouji just won my heart.musouka wrote:Amusingly enough, I've always been a Tsukasa fan from day one... Though some parts of the manga definitely strained my liking of him, I generally always hoped he'd win the girl.
hmm he did tell tsukushi in ep 1 that he wasn't doing it to help her, but because he disagreed with tsukasa's methods. in ep 2, he was being more genuinely nice to her, but i thought that was because he admired her strength and the way she stands up to f4. although i agree with you that he can smile and talk a whole lot less, but i guess the distinction is there because once again, it comes down to them needing to compact all 36 volumes into 9 episodes - the characters themselves must develop faster as well ^^scstyle wrote:I'm talking about Rui's character/personna during the earlier parts of the story. In the beginning of the manga/anime series - I wouldn't have classified Rui as 'nice' or 'friendly', he was just indifferent and did not really participate in all the hazing/bulling because it was not his sort of thing.There were even a few times when he had said to Makino not to make too much out of his 'kind' gestures. To be honest, in the beginning, I thought Rui was a bit of a jerk too - he was just not as vocal and abrasive as Doumyouji. That's why so far in this drama series, I've felt that Rui is a bit too nice? ^_~
Anyway, I've always been more of a Doumyouji fan and later in the manga series - I started liking Soujirou too.
omg i just loved soujiro later on as well~ i doubt we'll see much of his little side-story, but it'd be great if they can develop it even a little =D
hmmm... i just finished watching HYD jdorama ep 1....
well, its ok... dunno, i first saw MG... and i'm sorry... but i just loved MG! MG2, ok, not that good... weak, yes... but the ending still made me feel good... haha... but i thought the acting was quite good...! *shrugs*
the jp. Tsukasa actor... dunno.. he really doesnt look the part.... hes kinda... thin... ^_^v i get the feeling he has bit of short man's complex... only cuz, he looks so small!! dunno... Tsukasa, i thought, was kinda buff-like, yknow? *shrugs* i'll just hafta keep watching... see if he grows on me...
and... OMG! the opening... its soooo cute and cheesy!!
Rui - hes cute... but a lil too happy, ne? imo
I DUNNO! i'm just still kinda partial to the TW F4... haha! they looked like bad boys, and just looked, "dont mess with us, or we'll take you down!"
jp. Makino is adorable! <3
I've read the manga... i just wuved it... haha! i looked at some of the art of the HYD anime and just stayed away from it... heh ^__^v
Dunno, i think the pacing is lil too fast in the jdorama... seems a bit rushed... I'm just gonna hafta see if it'll grow me.... heh heh heh ^_^v
well, its ok... dunno, i first saw MG... and i'm sorry... but i just loved MG! MG2, ok, not that good... weak, yes... but the ending still made me feel good... haha... but i thought the acting was quite good...! *shrugs*
the jp. Tsukasa actor... dunno.. he really doesnt look the part.... hes kinda... thin... ^_^v i get the feeling he has bit of short man's complex... only cuz, he looks so small!! dunno... Tsukasa, i thought, was kinda buff-like, yknow? *shrugs* i'll just hafta keep watching... see if he grows on me...
and... OMG! the opening... its soooo cute and cheesy!!
Rui - hes cute... but a lil too happy, ne? imo
I DUNNO! i'm just still kinda partial to the TW F4... haha! they looked like bad boys, and just looked, "dont mess with us, or we'll take you down!"
jp. Makino is adorable! <3
I've read the manga... i just wuved it... haha! i looked at some of the art of the HYD anime and just stayed away from it... heh ^__^v
Dunno, i think the pacing is lil too fast in the jdorama... seems a bit rushed... I'm just gonna hafta see if it'll grow me.... heh heh heh ^_^v
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i kind of like the speedy pace that this drama is going at. this is only the second drama i have watched this year because i cant stand the slow pace of most dramas.
anyhow, shizuka says this in ep 2.
waiting for ep 3 is painful....... waiting for ep 2 was painful enough
good thing chinese fansubbers release it the next day xD
anyhow, shizuka says this in ep 2.
good thing chinese fansubbers release it the next day xD
@ Makino_sanbr: Wow... I just read what you wrote and... wow... I'm really happy to find someone who shares the exact same feelings I have about Hana yori Dango and especially about Doumyouji. I'm still sad about the 9 episode thing and it upsets me that Rui is more in the spotlight than Doumyouji is but I still love the show and I think it's awesome they went back on doing a drama of my all time favourite manga, even though there is already a taiwanese version (which I'm not too fond of though).
@mumyosai: Ah, I never read about that although I'm an active member of Aries' (webmisstress) community. However just because Rui was meant to be in the main role doesn't mean he was also to end up with Tsukushi. I'm actually surprised to hear this and I wonder where Aries got this information from, since it was a topic that was discussed in her forum whether or not Kamio-sensei was originally planning on laying the main focus on Rui instead. That's odd.
@fybabe: Don't mention it. Please just tell me where you found that letter.
@everybody:
@mumyosai: Ah, I never read about that although I'm an active member of Aries' (webmisstress) community. However just because Rui was meant to be in the main role doesn't mean he was also to end up with Tsukushi. I'm actually surprised to hear this and I wonder where Aries got this information from, since it was a topic that was discussed in her forum whether or not Kamio-sensei was originally planning on laying the main focus on Rui instead. That's odd.
@fybabe: Don't mention it. Please just tell me where you found that letter.
@everybody:
I'm perfectly of your opinion, Musouka. I still think it wasn't a good idea to make him demand from her to lick his shoes but I'm pretty much sure he'd stopped her in time. What bugs me is, it's an arguable matter. Nobody can tell for sure he really wouldn't have let it come so far, hence there'll be a lot more Rui-fans among the Hanadan newbies.musouka wrote: Amusingly enough, I've always been a Tsukasa fan from day one... Though some parts of the manga definitely strained my liking of him, I generally always hoped he'd win the girl.
I've always liked Doumyouji too, btw. I was actually never fond of Rui because I couldn't see what's so great about someone who tells some guys not to rape a girl. This is the least what you'd expect anyone to say in a situation like that, isn't? Just because the rest of the school is so nuts he seems like a prince but he often enough points out he's not even interested in other people. I don't mean to mad mouth Rui because I really like him in the drama and I liked him in the later manga volumes, too (although never only half as much as Doumyouji) but I'm really anything but a Rui converted Doumyouji fangirl.
@Musouka: which parts of the manga are you talking about? I seriously disliked him around volume 29 to 31. This was probably also when Rui won a huge part of Doumyouji's fans. Grmpf.
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But, keep in mind that they're probably doing this for a reason. I think they've done a great job setting up Tsukasa's character so far, while they allowed the Rui/Tsukushi relationship to take center stage. As well it should be. (To be honest, I also think they've actually softened Tsukasa when you compare him to the original)Kathleen wrote: I'm perfectly of your opinion, Musouka. I still think it wasn't a good idea to make him demand from her to lick his shoes but I'm pretty much sure he'd stopped her in time. What bugs me is, it's an arguable matter. Nobody can tell for sure he really wouldn't have let it come so far, hence there'll be a lot more Rui-fans among the Hanadan newbies.
It's been so long since I've read the manga, I can't remember what happened in those volumes, but most of my struggle over liking him took place in the ealier ones. (The attempted rape was a big setback for me)Kathleen wrote:Musouka: which parts of the manga are you talking about? I seriously disliked him around volume 29 to 31. This was probably also when Rui won a huge part of Doumyouji's fans. Grmpf.
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And this reason is probably Rui getting 2291votes for the most popular character whereas Doumyouji got only 1808 in the latest poll (according to the Hanadan FF Character book).But, keep in mind that they're probably doing this for a reason.
I think he has all in all far worse character traits than in the manga and anime. I mostly dislike him playing the entertainer and stitting on his throne like chair to watch people being humiliated. I think the real Doumyouji is a tetchy, aggressive and maybe even a slightly choleric person, but he's not a sadist. He never hits someone just to get a kick out of it. This is a major difference in my opinion.
I never denied he's doing great. I love his acting. Despite of his height he portrays Doumyouji in an excellent way. I especially like the way he throws a tantrum.The writers of this drama really know what they're doing, and Matsumoto is doing an excellent job with his protrayal. I was watching the anime the other day, and it really stuck me just how well he mimicks Tsukasa's angry behavior.
It could be that Rui fans are just more outspoken. I only started liking Rui after it became obviousKathleen wrote: And this reason is probably Rui getting 2291votes for the most popular character whereas Doumyouji got only 1808 in the latest poll (according to the Hanadan FF Character book).
Again, I don't mind the pandering to Rui fans. As a matter of fact, I rather like it, because it makes things a lot more compelling if they have a better connection in the beginning than him just being an inconsistant jerk-off and her having a crush. I always thought he was an **** in the beginning of the manga, just not a violent one like Tsukasa, so I never understood why Tsukushi was always mooning over him when he said rude things to her.
I'm sure that's a major consideration. They have to get these characters to a cerain point quickly because they don't have the luxery of revealing things slowly. But after seeing this story so many times, I don't really mind that either.Kathleen wrote: But I seriously wonder if they didn't just decide to do it this way due to the lack of time.
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I don't think that's quite true. Later on in the series, he only gets violent if he's jealous or angry, but at this point in time he was getting violent because people bumped into him, or got dust on his pants. He does refer to the red tag issue as a game to keep other students occupied, he just wasn't in the center of it. I think the whole lording it up over other people is another way of compacting his personality so he comes across as bad enough...Kathleen wrote: He never hits someone just to get a kick out of it. This is a major difference in my opinion.
Really, I thought the next ep wasKathleen wrote: ... which will be in the next episode already. Therefore they are only 2 episodes ahead concerning his family background .
That's not quite true. The boys in the manga said that someone had told them Tsukushi would do anything they wanted. The manga also leads you to believe Tsukasa ordered it, even if it's not completely clear, whereas in the drama he specifically denies it. There is a difference there.Kathleen wrote: He doesn't in the manga either. He certainly did send some guys to do something to her but it is never told what in particular. Actually it's the exact same situation as in the drama.
RE: "saving her"
I meant more that he specifically stood up and took action when someone was bullying her, not that he made her feel less lonely.
hmmmm... i didn't read the manga.. trying to find.. to no avail.. T.T but nvm..
keep missing epis of the anime.. though i really love it.. but it was showing on tv at that time n i couldn't get home in time to watch it last time.. when i 1st started watching the anime i think i like rui.. since he's nicer to tsukushi compared to tsukasa.. but as i watched on.. i love domyoji cause he's wayy cuter.. IMO.. not really in terms of looks.. but his stupid, sometimes irritating yet very cute actions.. haha.. dl-ing epi 2 now.. lookin forward to watching.. ^^
n from wat i'm reading.. the previous posts.. seems like there's alot of rui's scenes huh? awwwww.. i think i like domyoji X tsukushi relationship better.. lol.. ^^
keep missing epis of the anime.. though i really love it.. but it was showing on tv at that time n i couldn't get home in time to watch it last time.. when i 1st started watching the anime i think i like rui.. since he's nicer to tsukushi compared to tsukasa.. but as i watched on.. i love domyoji cause he's wayy cuter.. IMO.. not really in terms of looks.. but his stupid, sometimes irritating yet very cute actions.. haha.. dl-ing epi 2 now.. lookin forward to watching.. ^^
n from wat i'm reading.. the previous posts.. seems like there's alot of rui's scenes huh? awwwww.. i think i like domyoji X tsukushi relationship better.. lol.. ^^
Well, watching the end of episode 2, I sawmusouka wrote: Really, I thought the next ep wasPlease tell me if I'm wrong, because that's one of my favorite early scenes, and I'd be happy to see it earlier than expected.
If that's the case then there might also be a lot more Rui fans that wrote fan letters to Kamio-sensei which doesn't make any difference from Rui actually being the most popular.musouka wrote: It could be that Rui fans are just more outspoken.
Neither me. That's, I don't mind them leaving out some parts in the beginning. But I really hoped they would at least have the 2 months deal and the saturn necklace in the drama. But now that they announced there are only 9 episodes I'm not quite sure if I even still want it since it would kind of lose its meaning if their relation develops that quickly.But after seeing this story so many times, I don't really mind that either.
Please tell me if I'm wrong, because that's one of my favorite early scenes, and I'd be happy to see it earlier than expected.
Yes, I know. But I think it's nice either way, and both made him quite likable, too.RE: "saving her"
I meant more that he specifically stood up and took action when someone was bullying her, not that he made her feel less lonely.
Hopefully. After I heard that Kamio-sensei made Doumyouji the main male character after he got more votes than Rui (in the first poll for the most popular character) who was actually meant to be the main chara, I'm kind of skeptic about how far they'd go to please the majority of fans.I don't think they are going to neglect the meat of the series. Otherwise there's no point to doing the drama in the first place.
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Another question...why do you have to repeat the spoiler without using spoiler tagstikleabubble wrote:GREAT I THOUGHT I spoiled it for myself by thinking that domyoji and tskuni ended up together b/c I read something that hinted that jerry and the girl ended up together in meteor garden, but then I just HAD to read one of the spoilers on this page and now I know that RUI and the girl end up together GYAAHHH I HATE MYSELF. WHY THE HELL DID i HAVE TO READ THE SPOILERS WHYYYYYY
Mod edit: If you quote tikleabubble without turning the text white, you're also spoilingi it for other people too you know.
EDIT: Thanks mods and sorry
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What are you talking about? Who said that?tikleabubble wrote:GREAT I THOUGHT I spoiled it for myself by thinking that domyoji and tskuni ended up together b/c I read something that hinted that jerry and the girl ended up together in meteor garden, but then I just HAD to read one of the spoilers on this page and now I know that RUI and the girl end up together GYAAHHH I HATE MYSELF. WHY THE HELL DID i HAVE TO READ THE SPOILERS WHYYYYYY
I might be blinded because I love Tsukasa already, so it's hard for me to imagine people actually liking Rui better than him, regardless of how nice he is in the drama. Plus, even though they haven't had as many scenes between them, the Tsukushi and Tsukasa scenes are great! There's just so much tension.Kathleen wrote:Therefore the idea of having her fall in love with someone who actually deserves it sounds kind of better actually.
Maybe I'm just being immature in this case because I'd like to have more people for Doumyouji. ^^;
I guess I also just like the novelty of actually thinking
Yeah, they're going to be kind of limited. My biggest fear isKathleen wrote:That's, I don't mind them leaving out some parts in the beginning. But I really hoped they would at least have the 2 months deal and the saturn necklace in the drama. But now that they announced there are only 9 episodes I'm not quite sure if I even still want it since it would kind of lose its meaning if their relation develops that quickly.
I thought he said "they decided that on their own!" when one of the other F2 was chastizing him over the attempted rape. Maybe I misheard?Kathleen wrote: Ah, you're right. I forgot about that. Well, it's again arguable whether or not it's true, but it certainly does seem like Doumyouji sent them to do something really awful to her. *sigh*
But doesn't he say something equal in the drama when he talks to the guys? I need to check on that again.
Yeah, but that's while the series was still running. Now that it's finished, it's sort of been cemented, and I can't seem them really going too far to change things, because then it wouldn't be HYD.Kathleen wrote:Hopefully. After I heard that Kamio-sensei made Doumyouji the main male character after he got more votes than Rui (in the first poll for the most popular character) who was actually meant to be the main chara, I'm kind of skeptic about how far they'd go to please the majority of fans.
I feel the same way! I just hope we aren't boring everyone else that comes into the thread.Kathleen wrote:Btw, it's really fun discussing with you.
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Hi!tikleabubble wrote:Hey, does anyone remember the site that had the hana yori dango manga on bittorent? I remember I downloaded the complete set a few months ago, but I deleted it since I didn't think I was going to finish reading it. Thanks!
You can download Hyd manga in
http://www.boxtorrents.com/details.php?id=11772
http://www.animez.info/torrents.html
http://www.mybittorrent.com/info/bittor ... 14442.html
It's because there are such series that result that way that I can never be sure of a quite good ending. I can think only of anime and manga that had equally sad or annoying endings, such as Georgie or Lady Oscar. Aside from Kamio-sensei there are still some mangakas and authors who remain true to their original ideas, and they might not care whether or not their ending appeals to the readers since it's the ending anyway. Rumiko Takahashi left her fans really disappointed after she finished Ranma ½ but she's still as popular as ever. I guess her readers had better hopes for her next stories. It might've been fatal if she'd paired up Ranma with Shampoo for instance, in the middle of the series that is.musouka wrote:I know I would have been disgusted, sort of like what happened recently with another series I was following where the author ditched the main couple with all the set up for the more popular girl. Blegh!
Btw, which series was it that you were talking about? Just so I know what I should never watch. ;)
Same goes for me. I only often wonder how newbies see it. I wonder if newbies even consider pairing up Tsukushi and Doumyouji so far.Plus, even though they haven't had as many scenes between them, the Tsukushi and Tsukasa scenes are great! There's just so much tension.
I think you're right there. As much as I complain about such twists, I actually like them. Makes me even more impatient about the next episode.I guess I also just like the novelty of actually thinking hey, I guess Rui and Tsukushi don't make such a bad couple. Even though her and Tsukasa are better Makes things more tense.
Haha, good to see I'm not alone with that.Hmm, I guess I really do feel similarly to you. ^^;;]
That's what I was thinking! "Good, she's preparing for the showdown." Too sad she wore quite pretty clothes other than in the manga / anime.I'm hoping that's why they showed her eating all that food.
In which scene? I suppose it's the second episode? I cannot recall him saying that, but then again I'm better with written Japanese. I still need to improve my listening comprehension.I thought he said "they decided that on their own!" when one of the other F2 was chastizing him over the attempted rape. Maybe I misheard?
Makes sense. And it also kind of relieves me, too.Yeah, but that's while the series was still running. Now that it's finished, it's sort of been cemented, and I can't seem them really going too far to change things, because then it wouldn't be HYD.
Wow, you actually know the anime! Yes... I like André, too. Lady Oscar was the reason why I got interested in anime and eventually in Japanese language and cultur, too, so it will always have a special place in my heart. But that's kind of off topic.Oh, Andre is one of my favorite anime guys! Yes, there is a similar feeling there, and I did feel sorry for both of them.
Lol. That's for sure. But to Doumyouji's defence, one thing you might not know about André is that he had sex with a whore at the age of 18 (according to Riyoko Ikeda, the mangaka). Something Doumyouji would never do.But Andre is also a nicer character, so it was a little easier for me to forgive him. If Oscar has demanded an apology, I don't think he would have started going off on how it was all her fault.
I'd rather take the bullheaded but decent type over the friendly guy that pays for sex.
And the top ranked was also my favorite scene in the manga. ^^;;
Well... Most parts of our posts are hidden in spoiler boxes which doesn't make it too interesting for those who are new to the series. ^^;I just hope we aren't boring everyone else that comes into the thread.
Aw, I liked the ending to Rose of Versailles! Never read Lady Georgie, but the Candy Candy ending kind of creeped me out, if that counts.
Hmm, well...at least we're not spoiling them!
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It's a really bad, but addictive, series called Ichigo 100%. Completely unrealistic and lame, but I kept reading it for the main couple, who I felt was rather sweet. Blegh.Kathleen wrote:Btw, which series was it that you were talking about? Just so I know what I should never watch. ;)
Well, with Meteor Garden so popular, I'd imagine most have seen the story in one form or another. I'm curious to see what my friend will think of this drama, as she's never seen or read anything about it.Kathleen wrote:Same goes for me. I only often wonder how newbies see it. I wonder if newbies even consider pairing up Tsukushi and Doumyouji so far.
The only problem is that it's kind of gross, so I'm wondering if they'll go that far for live action...Kathleen wrote:That's what I was thinking! "Good, she's preparing for the showdown." Too sad she wore quite pretty clothes other than in the manga / anime.
It was while they were playing pool, in the first episode. I'm pretty positive SARS translated that line inccorrectly, which is a shame if the drama is trying to make him look better...Kathleen wrote:In which scene? I suppose it's the second episode? I cannot recall him saying that, but then again I'm better with written Japanese. I still need to improve my listening comprehension.
Well, it was only once, right?Kathleen wrote:I'd rather take the bullheaded but decent type over the friendly guy that pays for sex.
Kathleen wrote:Well... Most parts of our posts are hidden in spoiler boxes which doesn't make it too interesting for those who are new to the series. ^^;
Hmm, well...at least we're not spoiling them!
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It's avalible right here. It's basically sort of like a "behind the scenes" deal.shiruchan wrote:Where did you find this top five scenes? Is there some special out there? I´d like to see it too... I have to agree that my fave scenes are on this top five.
musouka wrote:Aw, I liked the ending to Rose of Versailles! Never read Lady Georgie, but the Candy Candy ending kind of creeped me out, if that counts.
They managed to adapt this scene in Meteor Garden without particularly showing what she was throwing up. I just think it's some kind of funny revenge on him after he wasn't even willing to apologize to her. I also find it somewhat cute he stays all calm. If I'd be in his place I would certainly freak out.The only problem is that it's kind of gross, so I'm wondering if they'll go that far for live action...
Are you referring to Jun saying: "彼奴ら勝手にやったんだよ" (Aitsura katte ni yatta n da yo)?It was while they were playing pool, in the first episode. I'm pretty positive SARS translated that line inccorrectly, which is a shame if the drama is trying to make him look better...
What does the SARS version translate this sentence as? I have only the Raw-Version and the soft subs which translate the line as "It is all their scheming work". You're right, what they say is more like "They decided to do this on their own", which really does sound as if he didn't make them go as far as they did. I didn't really pay attention to that part until now. Thanks for telling me.
Well, it was only once, right?
Oh, you're right! I mixed that one scene up with the 8th rank from the website. Shame on me. Moreover I forgot one of my other favourite scenes.So, yep. Four out of five go to Tsukasa.
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Hi!!
I'm really like this topic now.. ^^
I have allot thinks that i would like to say too
Some spoiler ahead...
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**spoiler**
**spoiler**
About Tsukasa X Rui
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When i started read HYD i read until vol01 cap04 that was in Portuguese... and for me i would stop there... for me was other history about a Cinderella... and a good looking and rich guy... I thought that was Rui the main character....
But I don't know why i download but mistake the vol 23...
When doumyoji runs after the bus when Tsukushi is with Amon.
When i saw that... Oh my god... I fall in love for Tsukasa...
I really really like Tsukasa...
and i have the same problem that Kateleen with rui's fans... hihihih
For me ONLY tsukasa can be with Tsukushi...
Rui is the her best friend.. who knows her..
I was really mad when i used to talk about meteor Garden... because mostly people that only saw MG and don't read the manga is rui's fan...
Just because Zaizai is cute ( and i too think that I like Zaizai... more in MARS.. because there he isn't Rui.. )
and i used to think... "No more Rui fans please... Really anyone get that if Tsukushi be with Rui will not be Hanadan????"
I remember when i was translated the manga, that Yoko kamio sensei write that the main character was Rui...
But suddenly.. Tsukasa grown and grown.. not only on the polls...
For me HYD never will be HYD if Tsukasa not be there.
when i read the Yoko kamio's letter and she said that She read the scrip to see if Tsukasa lines was so genuine.. innocent.. I was so happy...
And when Matsumoto Jun just by look to you can pass the lonely anger from a spoiled kid that miss some to care about... (on the first ep)
and the doubt about care or not it this girl that don't give a dawn about WHO he is and what he say... e that don't leave his mind ( on the second ep)
make me very happy...
Oguri Shun makes me happy too... His Rui is the Rui from the middle from the manga... When rui talk and show a Little more about what he thinks...
I hope that he can be able to pass the Love and gratitude that Rui has to tsukushi....
He seem so in love about shizuka... on the airport.. that until me (that don't really like Rui) make me say : "ahhh... poor Rui.. he is so kawaiiiii!!!!!!"
I loved shizuka.. She was so funny!!!!! I Her face when the girls fall down on the pool was really fun!
And the second ep, i think that was great at show Tsukasa already going to Tsukushi and Rui comes... because that is exactly the feeling on the beginning
I'm dying to see the next episodes...
if we can do a list of 5 events that I REALLY hope they don't cut is
1-Saturn necklace
2-Doumyoji saying that he will go to hell after her.. and then he being beat for her... (i really like how he could die for her )
3-The raining Day.. ( slices my heart in thousand pierces every time i read)
4-He running after the bus yelling her name....
5-When finally she understand she miss allot doumyoji... that she don't wanna to him forget her...
I'm really like this topic now.. ^^
I have allot thinks that i would like to say too
Some spoiler ahead...
**spoiler**
**spoiler**
**spoiler**
About Tsukasa X Rui
**spoiler**
**spoiler**
When i started read HYD i read until vol01 cap04 that was in Portuguese... and for me i would stop there... for me was other history about a Cinderella... and a good looking and rich guy... I thought that was Rui the main character....
But I don't know why i download but mistake the vol 23...
When doumyoji runs after the bus when Tsukushi is with Amon.
When i saw that... Oh my god... I fall in love for Tsukasa...
I really really like Tsukasa...
and i have the same problem that Kateleen with rui's fans... hihihih
For me ONLY tsukasa can be with Tsukushi...
Rui is the her best friend.. who knows her..
I was really mad when i used to talk about meteor Garden... because mostly people that only saw MG and don't read the manga is rui's fan...
Just because Zaizai is cute ( and i too think that I like Zaizai... more in MARS.. because there he isn't Rui.. )
and i used to think... "No more Rui fans please... Really anyone get that if Tsukushi be with Rui will not be Hanadan????"
I remember when i was translated the manga, that Yoko kamio sensei write that the main character was Rui...
But suddenly.. Tsukasa grown and grown.. not only on the polls...
For me HYD never will be HYD if Tsukasa not be there.
when i read the Yoko kamio's letter and she said that She read the scrip to see if Tsukasa lines was so genuine.. innocent.. I was so happy...
And when Matsumoto Jun just by look to you can pass the lonely anger from a spoiled kid that miss some to care about... (on the first ep)
and the doubt about care or not it this girl that don't give a dawn about WHO he is and what he say... e that don't leave his mind ( on the second ep)
make me very happy...
Oguri Shun makes me happy too... His Rui is the Rui from the middle from the manga... When rui talk and show a Little more about what he thinks...
I hope that he can be able to pass the Love and gratitude that Rui has to tsukushi....
He seem so in love about shizuka... on the airport.. that until me (that don't really like Rui) make me say : "ahhh... poor Rui.. he is so kawaiiiii!!!!!!"
I loved shizuka.. She was so funny!!!!! I Her face when the girls fall down on the pool was really fun!
And the second ep, i think that was great at show Tsukasa already going to Tsukushi and Rui comes... because that is exactly the feeling on the beginning
I'm dying to see the next episodes...
if we can do a list of 5 events that I REALLY hope they don't cut is
1-Saturn necklace
2-Doumyoji saying that he will go to hell after her.. and then he being beat for her... (i really like how he could die for her )
3-The raining Day.. ( slices my heart in thousand pierces every time i read)
4-He running after the bus yelling her name....
5-When finally she understand she miss allot doumyoji... that she don't wanna to him forget her...
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Hi hi, I've loved watching the first two episodes and can't help but be interested in the opening and ending theme songs? Does anybody know which artists perform them? I'm sorry if this question has already been asked!! Thankyou!
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Re: Soundtrack
Ai Otsuka - PLANETARIUMsonikmonkee wrote:Hi hi, I've loved watching the first two episodes and can't help but be interested in the opening and ending theme songs? Does anybody know which artists perform them? I'm sorry if this question has already been asked!! Thankyou!
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not that sure tho ^ ^ "
Dear Kathleen, I dunno wat the summary of Candy Candy on animenewsnetwork says... but i suggest u to read the manga to understand the real story rather than makin sm assumption based on a summary.... cuz i was really hurt and pissed when u said "she gives up on her love just to please some other girl - what about her boyfriend's feelings??"
even tho u didnt intentionally mean it, but it was wrong to judge smth be4 u actually know it....
Candy has always been an idol to me even tho shes not a real person... the story was so sad and touching that it made me cry a lot... i hope u might want to try the manga one day and then ull know why candy has to give up on her love... then im sure u will understand what im feeling now... its the only choice that Candy has at that time and if she didnt do it, she wouldnt be CAndy but just another shallow selfish lover...
to me and all ppl who have read CC that i know of, its one of the best mangas ever... and candy is the best heroine ever ... id say shes greater than Makino tsukushi even tho I luv tsukushi a lot too (im a big fan of HYD).. but indeed Candy has to suffer a whole lot more and in the end she can't be with the person she loves (its not her fault... i guess its all fate) however, wats great bout her is how she always tries to cheer everyone up and believes in tomorrow .. but inside she is sufferin ...yes that manga is so heart warming and sad... and its not cheesy as other shoujo mangas...
what u said about Candy was like saying "Tsukasa is a loser" to HYD fans...
anyway i dun wanna go off topic... i was just a lil mad over what was said bout candy
even tho u didnt intentionally mean it, but it was wrong to judge smth be4 u actually know it....
Candy has always been an idol to me even tho shes not a real person... the story was so sad and touching that it made me cry a lot... i hope u might want to try the manga one day and then ull know why candy has to give up on her love... then im sure u will understand what im feeling now... its the only choice that Candy has at that time and if she didnt do it, she wouldnt be CAndy but just another shallow selfish lover...
to me and all ppl who have read CC that i know of, its one of the best mangas ever... and candy is the best heroine ever ... id say shes greater than Makino tsukushi even tho I luv tsukushi a lot too (im a big fan of HYD).. but indeed Candy has to suffer a whole lot more and in the end she can't be with the person she loves (its not her fault... i guess its all fate) however, wats great bout her is how she always tries to cheer everyone up and believes in tomorrow .. but inside she is sufferin ...yes that manga is so heart warming and sad... and its not cheesy as other shoujo mangas...
what u said about Candy was like saying "Tsukasa is a loser" to HYD fans...
anyway i dun wanna go off topic... i was just a lil mad over what was said bout candy
musuoka, thanks for your help! I´ll probably download it. =D
I also agree with you when you talk about Rui. ]I don´t understand too why people like him so much. Of course, watching these two episodes and reading the beginning of manga, it´s easy to like Rui, but... then, it´s almost IMPOSSIBLE not to fall in love with Tsukasa. Everything he does for Tsukushi is amazing! You´re totally right: if there´s no Tsukasa, it´s not HYD. HYD is good because Tsukasa is in.[/b]
I would just change the second and the fifth event formakino_sanbr wrote: if we can do a list of 5 events that I REALLY hope they don't cut is
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yeahhh.. tsujasa's so sweet n innocent.. silly, sometimes v bad.. yet v cute.. haha he's unique.. ^^shiruchan wrote:I would just change the third and the fifth event formakino_sanbr wrote: if we can do a list of 5 events that I REALLY hope they don't cut isI also agree with you when you talk about Rui. ]I don´t understand too why people like him so much. Of course, watching these two episodes and reading the beginning of manga, it´s easy to like Rui, but... then, it´s almost IMPOSSIBLE not to fall in love with Tsukasa. Everything he does for Tsukushi is amazing! You´re totally right: if there´s no Tsukasa, it´s not HYD. HYD is good because Tsukasa is in.
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If I haven't read the manga, or watched the anime, at this point (ep2), I think I would definitely root for Rui. But since I've done both even way before MG, no doubt Tsukasa+Tsukushi pairing is a lot better. Like what everyone has said previously, Rui is better as a bestfriend than a boyfriend.
I have to say that I'm loving Jun so much more now! I didn't care much for him after watching his previous dramas.. but I can see so much of Tsukasa in him! As for Shun... I don't really see the rui that I've always imagined. maybe cos it's going too fast? Nevertheless, I still love his character.
I thought I'd be disappointed with all the changes they had to make in order for the story to fit in so little episodes. But thank goodness, that's not the case.. Actually, I'm impressed with their work so far. It seems like I'm no longer distracted from knowing what happened in the anime and manga. I just watch it like I don't know the story. I think it's good that the drama has some differences from the anime.
I thought I'd be disappointed with all the changes they had to make in order for the story to fit in so little episodes. But thank goodness, that's not the case.. Actually, I'm impressed with their work so far. It seems like I'm no longer distracted from knowing what happened in the anime and manga. I just watch it like I don't know the story. I think it's good that the drama has some differences from the anime.
Look, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I'm sorry if you got something wrong. It looks like you haven't read our previous posts either so you probably misunderstood me when I questioned her actions. Musouka and I were talking about sad endings and that we don't like stories that result without the main characters ending up together. That's when I remembered the summary of CC on animenewsnetwork. I'm not saying it's a bad story or anything, but I simply don't like to watch something that I know of from the beginning it will make me sad. Please accept that. If there's anyone that says: "I wouldn't want to watch hanadan because I don't like violent guys like Doumyouji" I'd just say: Suit yourself and bye. Of course it's nice to have many people rooting for the same characters or stories that you like but you cannot expect everyone to have the same taste and interests.sunmoon wrote:Dear Kathleen, I dunno wat the summary of Candy Candy on animenewsnetwork says... but i suggest u to read the manga to understand the real story rather than makin sm assumption based on a summary.... cuz i was really hurt and pissed when u said "she gives up on her love just to please some other girl - what about her boyfriend's feelings??"
even tho u didnt intentionally mean it, but it was wrong to judge smth be4 u actually know it....
Edit: Of course I'm not trying to downplay being fatally ill, I'm just saying that the one thing has nothing to do with the other. The whole meaning of being together (in my opinion) is to support your partner as much as you can, as you should be able trust each other too. I hope you understand my point and that you don't feel offended or hurt anymore.
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awww...so much negative speculation that it makes all the anticipation i have for episode 3 a lot more depressing. let's let the drama run it's course before we evaluate it to this extent? it's only been episode 2!! perhaps rui isn't EXACTLY the way he was presented in the manga, but neither is shizuka (she's much more 'girlier' and giggly in this version), and neither is domyouji's mother, and neither are soujiro and akira (they seem more like tsukasa's henchmen, rather than the other 2 members of f4), and neither is sakurako (she's 3 characters combined into 1!)...the list goes on~~ but perhaps the drama will present the characters to us in a way which will make the drama work.
keep in mind that before hanayoridango, there's been an anime, a movie AND a twdrama remake. following every single detail in the manga exactly wouldn't give hanayoridango the freshness and excitement that a lot of hyd fans are looking for. they don't want a replay of what they already know~~ they want to see something that, although still faithful to the original storyline, will keep them at the edge of their seats and pining for more. perhaps in the end the drama won't meet your speculative criticisms, but at least give it the chance it deserves to show its worth before you choose to stomp it to bits or praise it to no end~~
isn't it better to stay positive about what the drama could give us, instead of dousing ourselves with the subconscious expectation that it will disappoint?
(i hope no one is offended, but that was just my poor attempt at trying to turn the tables around in this thread to a cheerful anticipation of the next episode =D)
keep in mind that before hanayoridango, there's been an anime, a movie AND a twdrama remake. following every single detail in the manga exactly wouldn't give hanayoridango the freshness and excitement that a lot of hyd fans are looking for. they don't want a replay of what they already know~~ they want to see something that, although still faithful to the original storyline, will keep them at the edge of their seats and pining for more. perhaps in the end the drama won't meet your speculative criticisms, but at least give it the chance it deserves to show its worth before you choose to stomp it to bits or praise it to no end~~
isn't it better to stay positive about what the drama could give us, instead of dousing ourselves with the subconscious expectation that it will disappoint?
(i hope no one is offended, but that was just my poor attempt at trying to turn the tables around in this thread to a cheerful anticipation of the next episode =D)
Hey Makino_sanbr! I already answered to one of your earlier posts. If you haven't read it yet, you might still wanna check it.
As I already pointed out in the other post, I was dead tired when I translated the letter (and I was too lazy to check up on it for mistakes until now), so there might not everything be correct. I remember I was wondering whether she refers to his stupidity about mixing up proverbs when she is talking about his innocense.when i read the Yoko kamio's letter and she said that She read the scrip to see if Tsukasa lines was so genuine.. innocent.. I was so happy...
Me too! I first doubted whether she's a good cast for Shizuka who is supposed to be the perfect woman. But I think she's doing great. Maybe she's even better than in the anime and manga because I never felt anything of her warmth that Tsukushi had raved about. The drama Shizuka definitely is a warm and friendly person though. And I would rather believe her to give up everything to follow her dream. The manga / anime Shizuka always seemed to spoiled to me to do such a thing which is why I never really liked Shizuka.I loved shizuka.. She was so funny!!!!! I Her face when the girls fall down on the pool was really fun!
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[i]Kathleen wrote:Hey Makino_sanbr! I already answered to one of your earlier posts. If you haven't read it yet, you might still wanna check it. [/i]
Hi! Yes i did read you answered ^__^ And I'm really happy to talk with people that read the manga ..
And i really like to read what people that don't have any idea think too.. just to see how they will react..
however.. i like to talk about Hanadan...
and ever if i already saw everything about this history.. i not feeling boring.. I really curious to know how they will be doing to tell the history....
and i know that the 5 events that i list probably won't be there... but i really like this moments T__T
5. Excuse me, I don't quite understand. Which scene are you talking about? [/spoiler]
Well I was think about after the rain day... But has alto other moments when he came from NY and is almost a good bye... but he was kidnapped
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That would be really, really great. I love this scene. Although I'm not quite sure if it will be the same as in the anime.TragicKingdom wrote:2) This will most likely be in the drama. *wishful thinking
Btw. No Doubt, first album?
Lol. What of the ending shocks you?lasusal wrote:just finishing episode 2, even though i saw the taiwan version and the anime it still shocks me seeing the ending of episode 2
OMG I was so shocked at the end of the ep I definitely didn't expect something like this could happen but this was a great ep ne~
in ep 3 Tsukasa's sister is going to be back right? this is going to be interesting
now I know why people voted stay away...omg they knew this is the only way to save themselves from complete obsession. I really mean it this dorama is dangerous hehe I'm turning into MatsuJun's fangirl!! *kowai* LOL but I have a good reason ne..he's great in this role and his eyes are amazing hmm just wondering how anyone could hate Tsukasa?? maybe the character was different in manga (?) but here I rather feel sorry for him...I don't think I could not like him regardless of the way he treats Tsukushi at least up to now...
I like Shun-chan playing Rui but I'm not sure yet if I like Rui (as a character) well ,let's wait and see what's going on next..
eh I can't wait till Friday
in ep 3 Tsukasa's sister is going to be back right? this is going to be interesting
now I know why people voted stay away...omg they knew this is the only way to save themselves from complete obsession. I really mean it this dorama is dangerous hehe I'm turning into MatsuJun's fangirl!! *kowai* LOL but I have a good reason ne..he's great in this role and his eyes are amazing hmm just wondering how anyone could hate Tsukasa?? maybe the character was different in manga (?) but here I rather feel sorry for him...I don't think I could not like him regardless of the way he treats Tsukushi at least up to now...
I like Shun-chan playing Rui but I'm not sure yet if I like Rui (as a character) well ,let's wait and see what's going on next..
eh I can't wait till Friday
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rofl >_< just the thought of tsukushi thinking that is hilarious. *can't stop laughing* I guess in that sense, Jerry Yan (Tai Tsukasa) does have a better built. But but but, I'm biased about Jun. ^^;;~ Jun's eyes are really impressive in HYD. So I'm all for Jun. I really want more interaction between tsukushi and tsukasa!!Kathleen wrote:That would be really, really great. I love this scene. Although I'm not quite sure if it will be the same as in the anime.TragicKingdom wrote:2) This will most likely be in the drama. *wishful thinkingOhh, I'm evil. Hey, I adore Jun and I think he's really doing a fantastic job, but you cannot make up for everything with good acting.
Btw. No Doubt, first album?
*nods* hehe, it's indeed No Doubt's first album. Just got to love them.
now I know why people voted stay away...omg they knew this is the only way to save themselves from complete obsession.
Hahaha, this was a good one. And it pretty much cheers me up, too since I was kind of bummed to see someone dared to vote for the last option. Lol.
JK, I guess it's normal to have people who don't have the same taste. I think the show is fairly popular already with its only 2 episodes so far.
I really mean it this dorama is dangerous hehe I'm turning into MatsuJun's fangirl!! *kowaii*
Happy to hear that! Always pleased to have an increasing number of fans. Hanadan will soon rule the world. *evil halloween laugh*
Btw, "kowai" = "scary". Assume you mean "Kawaii".
But you're right, his eyes really are amazing. I love the way he looks at Tsukushi after he told her to lick his shoes. Although this is a quite bad scene actually, it has something endearing in it as well.
That's what I was always wondering. And yes, the character was different in the manga. But if anything it was only better. He does less evil things in the manga. Both versions are adorable though. [/i]hmm just wondering how anyone could hate Tsukasa?? maybe the character was different in manga
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Kathleen, you´re bad! Hahahahahahaha!!!Kathleen wrote:That would be really, really great. I love this scene. Although I'm not quite sure if it will be the same as in the anime.TragicKingdom wrote:2) This will most likely be in the drama. *wishful thinkingOhh, I'm evil. Hey, I adore Jun and I think he's really doing a fantastic job, but you cannot make up for everything with good acting.
Yes, I think it so. I love Jun too but his amazing acting can´t cover his small built. He needed a bunch of muscles to make us thinks he is actually a strong guy.
And I also love those eyes... OMG... My fave scene in this episode 2 is
Kathleen wrote:now I know why people voted stay away...omg they knew this is the only way to save themselves from complete obsession.
Hahaha, this was a good one. And it pretty much cheers me up, too since I was kind of bummed to see someone dared to vote for the last option. Lol.
you know, the results of the poll were bothering me for the last few days so I guess this is the reason there are only 2 eps out but as for now this is the best dorama I've ever seen
no I meant kowai hehe thinking of myself turning into MatsuJun's fangirl is kinda scary but eh I guess it's too late now anywayKathleen wrote: Btw, "kowai" = "scary". Assume you mean "Kawaii".
this is amazing how well he can act!!! just compare this cold look to his puppy eyes in kimi wa petto!! omg I definitely prefer him as TsukasaKathleen wrote:But you're right, his eyes really are amazing. I love the way he looks at Tsukushi after he told her to lick his shoes. Although this is a quite bad scene actually, it has something endearing in it as well.
this scene was great but I like the handkerchief scene as well hehe he was close but not not close enough....poor Tsukasashiruchan wrote:And I also love those eyes... OMG... My fave scene in this episode 2 is
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Me too!!!!shiruchan wrote:Kathleen wrote:TragicKingdom wrote:
And I also love those eyes... OMG... My fave scene in this episode 2 isOhhhh~~~~ Tsukasa, why are you not real?
TI really loved the scene! " Poor Tsukasa... he is shaking with jealous!!!" i though
I was about to cry thing "Poor Tsukasa" when he is in the car too.. when he remmember her... Oh my..
SEE IT!!!!
I have never read the manga or watched the Meteor Garden (the chinese one..?) but I really like this drama! It's so interesting to see how they are.. wow, amazingly rich people. It really is ridiculous sometimes but I bet they don't think so.. heh, it's a really good drama! I CANNOT wait til the next episode comes out.. its great!!!
I have never read the manga or watched the Meteor Garden (the chinese one..?) but I really like this drama! It's so interesting to see how they are.. wow, amazingly rich people. It really is ridiculous sometimes but I bet they don't think so.. heh, it's a really good drama! I CANNOT wait til the next episode comes out.. its great!!!
Heh, just got done watching it (again) with my little brother. (Oddly enough, he prefers Tsukushi's regular look to the way she looked in the white dress...)
I keep on rewatching the scene near the end where Tsukasa gets all jealous over and over again. I absolutely adore jealous characters (girls and guys)...
I'm also happy to see that people are having a similar "poor Tsukasa!" reaction to this episode. I was wondering if people would get attached to Tsukasa for trying, or if they would gravitate towards Rui for actually coming through.
I keep on rewatching the scene near the end where Tsukasa gets all jealous over and over again. I absolutely adore jealous characters (girls and guys)...
I'm also happy to see that people are having a similar "poor Tsukasa!" reaction to this episode. I was wondering if people would get attached to Tsukasa for trying, or if they would gravitate towards Rui for actually coming through.
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I like her "look" when she was "done by Tsukasa" than when she was fixed up by shizuka. But I couldnt help thinking "bride of dracula" at that particular scene. I also like how they contrasted/compared the atmosphere and tsukushi's reactions between the scenes when she was wearing the gloomy black dress to the ethereal white one.musouka wrote:Heh, just got done watching it (again) with my little brother. (Oddly enough, he prefers Tsukushi's regular look to the way she looked in the white dress...)
I'm very impressed on how the screenwriter has woven the critical events from the manga. I mean, people who have read the manga or watched MG would notice the pacing. But for those who aren't familiar of the source, they wouldn't likely notice.
I was also surprised when I learned that Matsushima Nanako is acting as Tsukasa's sister Waiting for episode 3 is gonna be a torture.
Kathleen i never expect you to have the same taste and interest as me.. my whole point is if you havent read a manga then plz dont say things like "she just gives up her bf to please another girl" becuz its totally wrong... u dont know the story then how do u know she does it to please another girl?
im not goin to continue this and i dont expect u to read the manga and like it either... its ur choice and i hav nothin to do w it anyway...
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back to hyd i agree that Shun didn't show a good expression of jealousy at the end of the episode... maybe cuz it was too quick and he didnt hav time to? ^^ anyway jun is really cool.. i didnt like him in gokusen but his actin in hyd changed my opinion completely ^^
im not goin to continue this and i dont expect u to read the manga and like it either... its ur choice and i hav nothin to do w it anyway...
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back to hyd i agree that Shun didn't show a good expression of jealousy at the end of the episode... maybe cuz it was too quick and he didnt hav time to? ^^ anyway jun is really cool.. i didnt like him in gokusen but his actin in hyd changed my opinion completely ^^
hey sunmoon, you talking about jun or shun?? they both acted in gokusen...
man, i love them both!! (i have a much stronger pref for jun though)
i mean their complexion/feel/whatever is so wonderfully opposite, even in gokusen, one fair haired, one dark haired... should inspire some great scripts.
they should do more dramas, buddies, enemies, partners, whatever...
and ya, my fav scene would be same as some of you. the part where jun was just acting with eyes alone (the shoe part). the content and shifts in content in his eyes are really food for thought. just like my fav scenes in ep 1 was the dinner table scene and standing alone on the street scene (before the fight). they speak volumes.
man, i love them both!! (i have a much stronger pref for jun though)
i mean their complexion/feel/whatever is so wonderfully opposite, even in gokusen, one fair haired, one dark haired... should inspire some great scripts.
they should do more dramas, buddies, enemies, partners, whatever...
and ya, my fav scene would be same as some of you. the part where jun was just acting with eyes alone (the shoe part). the content and shifts in content in his eyes are really food for thought. just like my fav scenes in ep 1 was the dinner table scene and standing alone on the street scene (before the fight). they speak volumes.
I also think that Jun conveys his emotions so well in those two scenes. The scene where he sits at the table with his mom, oh my, the way he looks at her is electrifying. It's probably one of the best (and certainly important) scene in episode 1. You can see his desperation, his resignation...; his eyes speak, I can even imagine Jun saying to his mom "firing the chef over such a small thing? You're too much" (a small protest/disapproval), but then at the same time, his look also gives out this message "As if I cared about what you do..." (pretentious indifference), and then his eyes right then seem to say something else more important "Why don't you pay a little more attention to me?" (thirst and longing for attention). I hope I'm not reading too much into such a simple scene, but that's how I saw it in Jun's acting. Simple scene, complex analysis. Gosh, I love the quick pace this drama is going, while it still maintains the complexity in every small detail. Just gotta love that.fybabe wrote:and ya, my fav scene would be same as some of you. the part where jun was just acting with eyes alone (the shoe part). the content and shifts in content in his eyes are really food for thought. just like my fav scenes in ep 1 was the dinner table scene and standing alone on the street scene (before the fight). they speak volumes.
exactly!mikomi wrote:I also think that Jun conveys his emotions so well in those two scenes. The scene where he sits at the table with his mom, oh my, the way he looks at her is electrifying. It's probably one of the best (and certainly important) scene in episode 1. You can see his desperation, his resignation...; his eyes speak, I can even imagine Jun saying to his mom "firing the chef over such a small thing? You're too much" (a small protest/disapproval), but then at the same time, his look also gives out this message "As if I cared about what you do..." (pretentious indifference), and then his eyes right then seem to say something else more important "Why don't you pay a little more attention to me?" (thirst and longing for attention). I hope I'm not reading too much into such a simple scene, but that's how I saw it in Jun's acting. Simple scene, complex analysis. Gosh, I love the quick pace this drama is going, while it still maintains the complexity in every small detail. Just gotta love that.
the more compressed the script is, the more we need actors like jun to express them.
it could have dragged 3 eps with that mom scenario alone (that's why mg is so long winded, everything is like SHOUTED out - really kind of insulting the intelligience sometimes...)
omgosh yeah i totally agree with both of you~~ i love jun, but i remember always being a bit skeptical of him playing tsukasa because of (yeah i know this is long-winded but...) his height. but now, i can't imagine any other tsukasa ever since jun because jun's somehow managed to make tsukasa HIS character. when it comes down to it, jun doesn't have a lot of dialogue, but whenever he's onscreen he steals the whole frame with his charisma, his intensity and his appeal. i totally agree how his expression and his eyes could act out a whole scene better than any dialogue can. omg that face he makes near the end when rui beat him to tsukushi when the girls were bullying her was...electrifying =Dfybabe wrote:exactly!mikomi wrote:I also think that Jun conveys his emotions so well in those two scenes. The scene where he sits at the table with his mom, oh my, the way he looks at her is electrifying. It's probably one of the best (and certainly important) scene in episode 1. You can see his desperation, his resignation...; his eyes speak, I can even imagine Jun saying to his mom "firing the chef over such a small thing? You're too much" (a small protest/disapproval), but then at the same time, his look also gives out this message "As if I cared about what you do..." (pretentious indifference), and then his eyes right then seem to say something else more important "Why don't you pay a little more attention to me?" (thirst and longing for attention). I hope I'm not reading too much into such a simple scene, but that's how I saw it in Jun's acting. Simple scene, complex analysis. Gosh, I love the quick pace this drama is going, while it still maintains the complexity in every small detail. Just gotta love that.
the more compressed the script is, the more we need actors like jun to express them.
it could have dragged 3 eps with that mom scenario alone (that's why mg is so long winded, everything is like SHOUTED out - really kind of insulting the intelligience sometimes...)
oh my!
this is turning into a jun fangirl thread...haha... (but he's really great in hyd... )
gomen ne!
i would love to see more reviews from non manga/shun/jun fans too please! hope we're not too overbearing!
i wonder if there are other points of views other then the recent 'jun flood'...
the reviews in the chinese forums are more mixed though. half hates it half loves it. some love shun, some love jun, some bash all the guys, some can't watch it after 15min...
this is turning into a jun fangirl thread...haha... (but he's really great in hyd... )
gomen ne!
i would love to see more reviews from non manga/shun/jun fans too please! hope we're not too overbearing!
i wonder if there are other points of views other then the recent 'jun flood'...
the reviews in the chinese forums are more mixed though. half hates it half loves it. some love shun, some love jun, some bash all the guys, some can't watch it after 15min...
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