Do the Japanese like western TV?
Do the Japanese like western TV?
Ok, we're all crazy nuts for jdramas on this forum, but what about the reverse? Do any of the Japanese like western (English language) TV? I see that popular American shows like Heroes, Desperate Housewives and 24 are broadcast in Australia and UK. I was just wondering if the same is true for Japan. Or if there is there a small faction of Japanese that download English language TV to watch.
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I don't know where people are getting the idea that the Japanese can't understand English, given that:
1. It is now common for Japanese parents to make their children learn English from age 5 or 6. It is a requirement that all Japanese learn to at least read English by 9th grade (watch Kinpachi-sensei - he's always teaching English in his class.)
2. In 2003 alone, approximately 1.5 million Japanese took the TOEIC test (standardized testing for English.)
3. Many aspects of Japanese popular culture now include English. Sports like baseball use many English loanwords. Many lyrics in Jpop uses English words and phrases. Many Jpop group names are in English.
4. Going back to dramas, Columbo was a huge hit in Japan, which inspired dozens of other police dramas such as Furuhata Ninzaburo. Little House on the Prarie was also very popular. As a matter of fact, the 1970s is when American television started airing on Japanese TV. And, ever since the U.S. has stayed in Japan via Yokosuka and Okinawa, several radio stations are broadcast in English.
5. The Japanese WANT to learn English. Sesame Street is aired in Japan - undubbed. NHK has several TV shows in English, such as Tokyo Eye, J-MELO, etc. I'm flipping through a friend's Japanese TV channel box right now via Slingbox in Nagoya - so far I've found FOX in English, Disney Channel in English, Discovery Channel in English, The Golf Channel in English...
1. It is now common for Japanese parents to make their children learn English from age 5 or 6. It is a requirement that all Japanese learn to at least read English by 9th grade (watch Kinpachi-sensei - he's always teaching English in his class.)
2. In 2003 alone, approximately 1.5 million Japanese took the TOEIC test (standardized testing for English.)
3. Many aspects of Japanese popular culture now include English. Sports like baseball use many English loanwords. Many lyrics in Jpop uses English words and phrases. Many Jpop group names are in English.
4. Going back to dramas, Columbo was a huge hit in Japan, which inspired dozens of other police dramas such as Furuhata Ninzaburo. Little House on the Prarie was also very popular. As a matter of fact, the 1970s is when American television started airing on Japanese TV. And, ever since the U.S. has stayed in Japan via Yokosuka and Okinawa, several radio stations are broadcast in English.
5. The Japanese WANT to learn English. Sesame Street is aired in Japan - undubbed. NHK has several TV shows in English, such as Tokyo Eye, J-MELO, etc. I'm flipping through a friend's Japanese TV channel box right now via Slingbox in Nagoya - so far I've found FOX in English, Disney Channel in English, Discovery Channel in English, The Golf Channel in English...
I really don't know the answer but to some of the other posters
um..why the hell do you think that japanese people don't know English? EVERYONE in the world is trying to learn that language. English is very important and many kids that are not american/some other english speaking land are learning it. In the US most students have the option of learning spainish, french or german. In other countries they don't have a choice what language they'll learn. They' learn english. In some parts of Indian people speak english fluently. I'm pretty sure a 1st world country like Japan would make their students learn English.
I'm not sure if they are into American shows, but I can tell you that there are shows played in English non-dubbed in Asian countries. From what I hear there are a lot of Japanese people that are racist against other asains.
Lol, I guess its true when people say americans don't know that there is a world out there.
um..why the hell do you think that japanese people don't know English? EVERYONE in the world is trying to learn that language. English is very important and many kids that are not american/some other english speaking land are learning it. In the US most students have the option of learning spainish, french or german. In other countries they don't have a choice what language they'll learn. They' learn english. In some parts of Indian people speak english fluently. I'm pretty sure a 1st world country like Japan would make their students learn English.
I'm not sure if they are into American shows, but I can tell you that there are shows played in English non-dubbed in Asian countries. From what I hear there are a lot of Japanese people that are racist against other asains.
Lol, I guess its true when people say americans don't know that there is a world out there.
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Well, I can tell you where *I* got that idea.groink wrote:I don't know where people are getting the idea that the Japanese can't understand English <snipped>
Every time I've seen a Japanese person try to speak English, whether it's in an interview, on a variety show, or in dorama (even in cases where the character was supposed to be "fluent in English"), the person has not sounded anything like fluent (and a fair number on talk/variety shows don't understand even basic questions in English well enough to answer in Japanese). Granted, I haven't seen huge amounts of Japanese tv where people try to speak English, but I have yet to see ONE case where the person seemed fluent.
I have also heard & read, from several unconnected people who have spent a significant amounts of time in Japan, that though Japanese students do take English classes, those classes are not very effective. Most are (or at least were) taught by other Japanese who aren't fluent English speakers, are very "drill focused" rather than looking at patterns & practical conversation, and are also focused on reading English rather than speaking it. The result (from what I have read/heard/been told) is people who take 12 or however many years of English in school, but only understand certain set phrases & can't really have a conversation in English. Of course there are exceptions, but that's what I've heard and read for the general population.
Maybe my idea of the Japanese people's English skills is way off, but it does have some basis; I'm not just "assuming" that they can't understand English well enough to watch US tv shows.
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Understanding a language and speaking it are two very different things. It's hard to form coherent sentences when it's not the way your brain naturally thinks, and when you know you have a heavy accent and that it takes you a while to form proper sentences it makes you nervous and so you will mess up more or just not want to talk.
Like mentioned before I can confirm that from my experience here in Japan American TV shows are fairly popular. There was quite a hype about Heroes Season 2 and Sarah Connor Chronicles recently in the Tsutaya (popular DVD rental chain).
Still I have to say that while it might be true what groink says about the efforts of Japanese people to learn English, the reality is sadly quite what was often mentioned here. Japanese suffer from a single-sided approach in English learning and a lack of opportunity to actually practice English. This leads to many`s people Japanese poor English communication skills. In addition, many Japanese are afraid of actually using English due to lacking confidence in their skills and thus try to avoid situations where they might use it.
However, many Japanese are very interested in many things outside of Japan and of course also in the huge American TV and Movie industry. While the same might not be true for JDorama (especially young women are fairly addicted to the Doramas) in the case of almost all my friends they are far more interested in foreign movies (obviously mainly Hollywood productions) that in the Japanese movies.
Lastly, quite many of my Japanese friends understand English surprisingly well compared to their ability to speak it themselves. Many of them practice their English hearing by watching English Drama series and movies.
Sorry for drifting a bit away, but the discussion became somewhat the issue of English proficiency in Japan rather than the original topic. The disucssion about the English proficiency is a very difficult one and there will certainly be different opinions.
As for the English Doramas there seems in my experience to be a fair number of Japanese that watch American TV shows. But I can only speak for my impression based on what I see and hear here in Tokyo.
Still I have to say that while it might be true what groink says about the efforts of Japanese people to learn English, the reality is sadly quite what was often mentioned here. Japanese suffer from a single-sided approach in English learning and a lack of opportunity to actually practice English. This leads to many`s people Japanese poor English communication skills. In addition, many Japanese are afraid of actually using English due to lacking confidence in their skills and thus try to avoid situations where they might use it.
However, many Japanese are very interested in many things outside of Japan and of course also in the huge American TV and Movie industry. While the same might not be true for JDorama (especially young women are fairly addicted to the Doramas) in the case of almost all my friends they are far more interested in foreign movies (obviously mainly Hollywood productions) that in the Japanese movies.
Lastly, quite many of my Japanese friends understand English surprisingly well compared to their ability to speak it themselves. Many of them practice their English hearing by watching English Drama series and movies.
Sorry for drifting a bit away, but the discussion became somewhat the issue of English proficiency in Japan rather than the original topic. The disucssion about the English proficiency is a very difficult one and there will certainly be different opinions.
As for the English Doramas there seems in my experience to be a fair number of Japanese that watch American TV shows. But I can only speak for my impression based on what I see and hear here in Tokyo.
Exactly! I can understand spoken Japanese to a certain extent. But, when asked to speak, I can't for the life of me form one stupid sentence in my head and speak it aloud! Understanding via the ear and eyes, and speaking by constructing complete sentences use different parts of the brain. My Japanese g/f, for example, has perfect English vocabulary. But, when she speaks English, I can't for the life of me understand half of what she's saying.Puppet Princess wrote:Understanding a language and speaking it are two very different things. It's hard to form coherent sentences when it's not the way your brain naturally thinks, and when you know you have a heavy accent and that it takes you a while to form proper sentences it makes you nervous and so you will mess up more or just not want to talk.
It's like saying that all physicians can't write in English because you can't read their handwriting. Completely stupid logic IMO.
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The reason for this is that before the intended discussion can continue, we need to establish whether or not the Japanese can even understand and enjoy English-spoken TV dramas. If people are saying that the Japanese can't even understand English to begin with, then this topic might as well get thrown away because it would be tagged with a solid "NO" for an answer. monkgres was the first person to answer the question, and he said "NO"; if we left it at that, there would be many unanswered questions and countless misunderstandings.shijin wrote:Sorry for drifting a bit away, but the discussion became somewhat the issue of English proficiency in Japan rather than the original topic.
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yes you are right. i am victim of saying "NO"also. i'm half japanese and half taiwanese, and i don't understand english very well when it is spoke very fast. and i understand better than other friends because i have lived abroad for many years.groink wrote:The reason for this is that before the intended discussion can continue, we need to establish whether or not the Japanese can even understand and enjoy English-spoken TV dramas. If people are saying that the Japanese can't even understand English to begin with, then this topic might as well get thrown away because it would be tagged with a solid "NO" for an answer. monkgres was the first person to answer the question, and he said "NO"; if we left it at that, there would be many unanswered questions and countless misunderstandings.shijin wrote:Sorry for drifting a bit away, but the discussion became somewhat the issue of English proficiency in Japan rather than the original topic.
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as this topic just said previously, many japanese have proper english education - but nonetheless they don't speak proper english nor can we understand american english to fullest extent. i invite you to stay in japan for 2 weeks and talk to everyone you see in your native english. 90% will not be unable to catch you what u say.
also if u have some demographics - many homes are slowly moving to digital tv. so maybe = maybe it is more likely to be widely spreaded (english). last time it was only fujitv, tbs, ntv, tv asahi and a few others. the rest are cable tv. (i have not been back to japan for 3-4 years)
It doesn't help that English and Japanese grammar are totally different. You have to learn to THINK japanese as well as speak Japanese. That's the hard part.groink wrote:Exactly! I can understand spoken Japanese to a certain extent. But, when asked to speak, I can't for the life of me form one stupid sentence in my head and speak it aloud! Understanding via the ear and eyes, and speaking by constructing complete sentences use different parts of the brain. My Japanese g/f, for example, has perfect English vocabulary. But, when she speaks English, I can't for the life of me understand half of what she's saying.Puppet Princess wrote:Understanding a language and speaking it are two very different things. It's hard to form coherent sentences when it's not the way your brain naturally thinks, and when you know you have a heavy accent and that it takes you a while to form proper sentences it makes you nervous and so you will mess up more or just not want to talk.
It's like saying that all physicians can't write in English because you can't read their handwriting. Completely stupid logic IMO.
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All the western drama/movie that is broad cast on tv in Japan is usually in Japanese so they don't need to understand English to watch all those US drama.
But there is this button on the remote control that changes the language in English if you want to watch it in English and not Japanese.
My sister in law/my brother love watching western tv shows!
She love watching all the US drama more than Japanese drama.
By the way, they live in Japan.
Before I moved to Australia, I used to love watching all the western tv shows in Japan.
But there is this button on the remote control that changes the language in English if you want to watch it in English and not Japanese.
My sister in law/my brother love watching western tv shows!
She love watching all the US drama more than Japanese drama.
By the way, they live in Japan.
Before I moved to Australia, I used to love watching all the western tv shows in Japan.
And what's that jack ass of a comment supposed to contribute to this topic? Maybe ssih's one of my fans here.ssih wrote:Maybe her English is perfect, but yours isn't so great?groink wrote:My Japanese g/f, for example, has perfect English vocabulary. But, when she speaks English, I can't for the life of me understand half of what she's saying.
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since when western TV is only about the USA΄S series?
ok i can understand that USA has a popular culture and they do have
a lot of interesting series so its normal.
But what about other countries I mean
is anywhere out there something like D-addicts
for UK's, German's, French's or any other European county
or African tv seriaols where you can find subtitles in japanese?
ok i can understand that USA has a popular culture and they do have
a lot of interesting series so its normal.
But what about other countries I mean
is anywhere out there something like D-addicts
for UK's, German's, French's or any other European county
or African tv seriaols where you can find subtitles in japanese?
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