[Discussion] Orthrus no Inu (Takizawa Hideaki, Nishikido Ry)
I rather say that he's desperate.I also thought Ryo's character was a bit weak. He's so easily deceived!
being a healer means you can be a killer (by letting someone die)
Aoi was in disadvantages here...
furthermore: their powers seem unbalanced for me; if I describe it using Final Fantasy VIII Magic:
Curaga VS Death
it should be
Curaga VS Demi
or
Life VS Death
LOL~
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finished episode 2. Still disappointed with bad acting from supporting casts and the editing. However, I like Takki and the story is interesting enough for me to keep watching. I should start a drinking game where I'll take a shot whenever there is an illogical scene in this drama. That surely will keep it entertaining. My favorite LOL "moment" of this episode was
Agreed. The concept is promising enough but there is something definitely wrong with the pacing. And I have to say I could really do without Hasebe. I mean this character is all kinds of STUPID esp. for a cop(!) no less. Plus her acting and timing's really bad.nnnc wrote:finished episode 2. Still disappointed with bad acting from supporting casts and the editing. However, I like Takki and the story is interesting enough for me to keep watching. I should start a drinking game where I'll take a shot whenever there is an illogical scene in this drama. That surely will keep it entertaining.
In defense of Nishikida Ryo's character being "weak" as someone mentioned, I believe he was just desperate to save an innocent child who was dying in front of his eyes. The power to do so was literally in his hands, with a cost, of course. But is it right to play God with people's lives? To weigh their value according to one's judgement? It is this moral dilemma that keeps the story interesting-the kind of principles debated over in DeathNote.
Thanks to the subbers as always-Querbeet and Nya!
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But that's what Kira is. And in this case, so is Aoi. For all intents and purposes, the intention might be noble, but they are not omniscient so they will never know what a supposed evil person might turn out to be in the future. This voids them (or anyone) of any right to decide who is to live and who is to die outside of law. To elaborate, who is to know if that innocent boy he saved will turn out to be a serial killer when he grows up or if that stoned driver will turn over a new leaf and help other people? Or if not, how are they to know what changes must occur in the lives of people related to them as a result of one living or dying? Only God knows those purposes. That's my standpoint anyway. And again, that's what makes this kind of drama interesting for me.hafizadam wrote:the only difference is that Kira still considered a killer although he's using some kind of power.It is this moral dilemma that keeps the story interesting-the kind of principles debated over in DeathNote.
But I'm thinking, Aoi could be played better by another actor (sorry Ryo fans)
Cheers.
Ok I finally watched the first episode and I'm agreeing with that has been said earlier. I have a soft spot for Takky since he was in my very first drama I watched (Majo no Jouken) but I'm not so sure about his acting here. Ryo is ok but I've never been a fan of his acting or him in general I guess so kinda blah. I kind of like the HSJ kid ( I never remember who is who in that group except Chinen and Yamada). The chick doesn't bother me. I think the plot is interesting but whoever is writing this kind of sucks imo. There's just too many plot holes and "must suspend any brain activity" moments for me. Is it the writer? The director? The acting? I don't know I just don't think, at least from this first episode, it's being done very well. Somethings is off. It's supposed to like a "western" style drama but I think it wouldn't have made it here in the States. I'm d/l'ing epi 2 to see if it gets any better but I know I'm no longer dying to see this drama like I was when it was announced.
@ Issy:
Well, it is a jdrama, isn’t it? Women in dramas usually aren’t represented as intelligent and capable beings. And even if they are, something else is wrong with them. They are either emotionally unstable or social outcasts for some reason.
The detective is not that bad. At least, she doesn’t whine or act super cute.
Well, it is a jdrama, isn’t it? Women in dramas usually aren’t represented as intelligent and capable beings. And even if they are, something else is wrong with them. They are either emotionally unstable or social outcasts for some reason.
The detective is not that bad. At least, she doesn’t whine or act super cute.
SO TRUE. when they represented with all above great qualities, they have to lack their feminine side and behave like men.nell123 wrote:@ Issy:
Well, it is a jdrama, isn’t it? Women in dramas usually aren’t represented as intelligent and capable beings. And even if they are, something else is wrong with them. They are either emotionally unstable or social outcasts for some reason.
The detective is not that bad. At least, she doesn’t whine or act super cute.
I guess, no one is perfect.
I have to agree about Mizukawa Asami's Nagisa Hasebe being the worst... she's totally annoying the heck out of me (just like I feared she would). I think both Takki and Ryo are doing a good job here, but I really could do without Hasebe. First of all, she doesn't seem to even regret bringing about the disaster that came from taking Aoi to Ryuzaki. And then in episode 2, she goes babbling about how that the poor comatose high school girl knows the truth about the young drug dealer guy and that if she wakes up she'd testify and doom him to jail (way to go to endanger a possible witness who's totally vulnerable due to her current state). AND thanks to Hasebe's indifferent attitude she gives up Aoi's secret to anyone who wants to listen instead of being professional about it (talking about the end of episode 2 were she off-handedly told the "doctor" about Aoi and causing that creepy Sawamura guy to put tabs on him).
Though, putting the character aside I really think that Mizukawa Asami can't act... so I think she's partly at fault for that. Gah, she's so stony! If it'd been another actress the character itself might have ended up being less annoying...
Someone mentioned in an earlier post how illogical it was for Aoi not to get arrested for killing that prisoner warden in the first episode, but they DID investigate him in the beginning of episode 2. Hasebe is the only one who knows that Aoi can kill with his bare hands, but there's no way to actually prove it, so I think it's perfectly logical that he wasn't arrested (just like when he turned himself in for killing that Shuu guy).
About Ryuzaki reviving the boy... I know what he said in the previous episode about not being able to bring back dead ppl and I think he might have been lying then? I mean he didn't even try to "heal" the prison warden, he extended his hand and withdrew before touching all the while making that statement. Personally I don't think Ryuzaki wanted to revive him... so my theory is that Ryuzaki can heal ppl if they haven't "died" for too long. Hmm, in episode 3 they only said that one of the children were in critical condition they never said he died.. dunno.
Even so, this is the most interesting jdrama I've watched in a very long time so I'll definitely be following it to the end (just less focus on Mizukawa Asami's Hasebe please!)
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Well, that's all I have to say for now!
Though, putting the character aside I really think that Mizukawa Asami can't act... so I think she's partly at fault for that. Gah, she's so stony! If it'd been another actress the character itself might have ended up being less annoying...
Someone mentioned in an earlier post how illogical it was for Aoi not to get arrested for killing that prisoner warden in the first episode, but they DID investigate him in the beginning of episode 2. Hasebe is the only one who knows that Aoi can kill with his bare hands, but there's no way to actually prove it, so I think it's perfectly logical that he wasn't arrested (just like when he turned himself in for killing that Shuu guy).
About Ryuzaki reviving the boy... I know what he said in the previous episode about not being able to bring back dead ppl and I think he might have been lying then? I mean he didn't even try to "heal" the prison warden, he extended his hand and withdrew before touching all the while making that statement. Personally I don't think Ryuzaki wanted to revive him... so my theory is that Ryuzaki can heal ppl if they haven't "died" for too long. Hmm, in episode 3 they only said that one of the children were in critical condition they never said he died.. dunno.
Even so, this is the most interesting jdrama I've watched in a very long time so I'll definitely be following it to the end (just less focus on Mizukawa Asami's Hasebe please!)
btw,
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I guess not.mowgwie wrote:Are you all watching the same drama I'm watching? I've watched the first three episodes and can't wait for the rest. I really like it. And I think Takki and Ryo are much better than Ohno was in Maou - that boy can't act at all!
I really don't know how you are comparing Maou with orthrus...there is no way that Ryo is acting much better than Ohno in Maou. unless if you call staring all the time and looking puzzled acting. I was not ohno fan but became one of them after i saw his great performance in there. on top of that, all other characters in Maou, knew how to portrait their characters and they were quiet believeable.
back to topic
@VIS, come to think of it, i also have not see any Asami's perfomance that was very special and different and memorable. i do second you in that she can't act.
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You must be joking right?mowgwie wrote:Are you all watching the same drama I'm watching? I've watched the first three episodes and can't wait for the rest. I really like it. And I think Takki and Ryo are much better than Ohno was in Maou - that boy can't act at all!
The acting awards that "boy" won:
TV Navi Drama of The Year 2008 - Best Actor for Maou
12th Nikkan Sports Annual Drama Grand Prix - Best Actor for Maou
18th TV LIFE Annual Drama Awards (2008) - Best Actor for Maou
Yep. Totally can't act. That's all annual popularity awards that he won. He is so popular he even won over Ninomiya who is a better actor. Surely the "boy" only relied on his popularity. Can't act at all! xD
I'm watching Inu to ogle at Takki. Expected too much from Ryo. Quite disappointed with his performance in this.
Like everybody else, I've only realised Asami cannot act because of this drama. Too bad. I quite like her too.
Ok, I agree about the murders. It is hard to prove that Aoi killed those people with his bare hands but he should be arrested for helping Ryuzaki escape from prison. That shouldn't be hard to prove at all.vis wrote: Someone mentioned in an earlier post how illogical it was for Aoi not to get arrested for killing that prisoner warden in the first episode, but they DID investigate him in the beginning of episode 2. Hasebe is the only one who knows that Aoi can kill with his bare hands, but there's no way to actually prove it, so I think it's perfectly logical that he wasn't arrested (just like when he turned himself in for killing that Shuu guy).
Just finished watching episode 3. I agree with everyone regarding Hasebe. She is annoying and I don't understand how can she still keeps her job as a cop. For her mistakes and stupidities shown in all three episodes, she shouldn't just get suspended or fired. She should even be arrested for obstruction. Asami's acting doesn't help. I think she did ok for the first episode but her acting just went downhill from there. (same as Ryo's constant confused face)
And I don't get why that spoiled kid wants to kill the girl.
I think Takky is doing fine acting as Ryuzaki (or maybe I'm bias because he's so nice to look at). But it's getting ridiculous that he can appear out of no where and disappear in front of anyone just like that without being seen. It was cheesy but cool enough the first or second time he did it. But it happened far too many times. Aoi must be really slow. He always sit or stand right next to Ryuzaki when it happened but he never notices until Ryuzaki is no where to be found.
And I don't get why that spoiled kid wants to kill the girl.
Well, I think she's an ok actress.... just this isn't her best drama. She did really well in Nodame, and I'm watching the Ganesha drama she's in and she's doing good too. Her character just sucks... and she's probably portraying the character worse than what she is too. So... this just isn't something she should put in her portfolio ^_^UUUUbrokenparadise wrote: Like everybody else, I've only realised Asami cannot act because of this drama. Too bad. I quite like her too.
Asami is definitely one of my favorite actresses, since she's different from most who always play those cutesy and ditzy female characters. I think this show is just really badly written, and probably really badly directed, too. So you can't really just blame the acting.«minah» wrote:Well, I think she's an ok actress.... just this isn't her best drama. She did really well in Nodame, and I'm watching the Ganesha drama she's in and she's doing good too. Her character just sucks... and she's probably portraying the character worse than what she is too. So... this just isn't something she should put in her portfolio ^_^UUUUbrokenparadise wrote: Like everybody else, I've only realised Asami cannot act because of this drama. Too bad. I quite like her too.
Anyway, Asami has been really good in every drama I've seen, but all of them have been comedies. Maybe she just isn't fit for more serious roles. I see the same thing for many other actors/actresses' too. I adooooore Ikuta Toma, but he just sucked in Maou. In comedic and light roles he's the bomb!
So I am really enjoying the show so far, I am actually a big Tackey fan but not in acting... however I am really enjoying him in this series and I think he has progressed as the show has gone on, this is the first show I've seen him in that I've wanted to continue with, I really love his character and his hair definitely suits him dark ;)
I'm not a huge Ryo fan but I've seen him in a few dramas that I've enjoyed, loved Attention Please. He hasn't done anything amazing so far, to start with I thought his character was a bit lame, but I suppose it's kinda sweet that he's so innocent and naive considering his power
But yeah so far Hasebe's acting hasn't been amazing, it's not the worst I've seen but it could be better. It may well be to do with directing and what she's been given, but saying that I am really enjoying it so I am able to overlook it ^^
I'm not a huge Ryo fan but I've seen him in a few dramas that I've enjoyed, loved Attention Please. He hasn't done anything amazing so far, to start with I thought his character was a bit lame, but I suppose it's kinda sweet that he's so innocent and naive considering his power
Orthos
Issy wrote:
I really don't know how you are comparing Maou with orthrus
If you look earlier in the thread several people have already made the comparison, so I was responding to that.
brokenparadise wrote:
You must be joking right?
The acting awards that "boy" won:
TV Navi Drama of The Year 2008 - Best Actor for Maou
12th Nikkan Sports Annual Drama Grand Prix - Best Actor for Maou
18th TV LIFE Annual Drama Awards (2008) - Best Actor for Maou
Yep. Totally can't act. That's all annual popularity awards that he won. He is so popular he even won over Ninomiya who is a better actor. Surely the "boy" only relied on his popularity.
I think you've proved disproved your own point. If he "even won over Ninomiya who is a better actor", then he must have won on popularity, rather than acting ability, since you have said yourself that Ninomiya is a better actor (I totally agree with that!). I really do think all of those TV magazine awards are awarded on popular vote. They aren't awarded by actors judging other actors based on their performance, they're awarded by a popular vote.
Sorry if calling him a "boy"offended you. From the perspective of my age, he's a boy.
I really don't know how you are comparing Maou with orthrus
If you look earlier in the thread several people have already made the comparison, so I was responding to that.
brokenparadise wrote:
You must be joking right?
The acting awards that "boy" won:
TV Navi Drama of The Year 2008 - Best Actor for Maou
12th Nikkan Sports Annual Drama Grand Prix - Best Actor for Maou
18th TV LIFE Annual Drama Awards (2008) - Best Actor for Maou
Yep. Totally can't act. That's all annual popularity awards that he won. He is so popular he even won over Ninomiya who is a better actor. Surely the "boy" only relied on his popularity.
I think you've proved disproved your own point. If he "even won over Ninomiya who is a better actor", then he must have won on popularity, rather than acting ability, since you have said yourself that Ninomiya is a better actor (I totally agree with that!). I really do think all of those TV magazine awards are awarded on popular vote. They aren't awarded by actors judging other actors based on their performance, they're awarded by a popular vote.
Sorry if calling him a "boy"offended you. From the perspective of my age, he's a boy.
about Hasebe x Ryuzaki relation
and about that spoiled kid,
as for masami, i liked her in other dramas. as it's being said, she is an OK actress but she is not doing her best in this role. be it bad directing, bad storyline... as a good actress she should be able to get us believe her character.
i find her acting best in supporting roles and not as a lead. and maybe, she is not her best in these types of dramas and better stick to comedy. i remembered watching her in Oishi Gohan few weeks ago and i really liked her there.
totally so i use spoiler tag
@mowgwie
i find her acting best in supporting roles and not as a lead. and maybe, she is not her best in these types of dramas and better stick to comedy. i remembered watching her in Oishi Gohan few weeks ago and i really liked her there.
totally so i use spoiler tag
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Re: Orthos
I was being sarcastic with my comparison with Ninomiya. The truth is Ninomiya, Takuya Kimura and the other leads he was competing against is way more popular than Ohno Satoshi. Its kind of amazing that he won not only 1 but 3 ANNUAL drama awards. His acting does have its merits afterall...mowgwie wrote:me wrote:Yep. Totally can't act. That's all annual popularity awards that he won. He is so popular he even won over Ninomiya who is a better actor. Surely the "boy" only relied on his popularity.
I think you've proved disproved your own point. If he "even won over Ninomiya who is a better actor", then he must have won on popularity, rather than acting ability, since you have said yourself that Ninomiya is a better actor (I totally agree with that!). I really do think all of those TV magazine awards are awarded on popular vote. They aren't awarded by actors judging other actors based on their performance, they're awarded by a popular vote.
Sorry if calling him a "boy"offended you. From the perspective of my age, he's a boy.
3 Annual drama best actor awards voted by thousands of viewers says a lot. You can't really say it was solely based by his popularity since he did score a hat-trick. Forgive me for my foggy sarcasm.
I was not offended at you calling him the "boy". I was rather amused He is almost 30yrs old
Ryo and Takki's acting better than Ohno. Yeah right...
I like to go off topic do I ? :
Won't give up hope for Asami then but I don't think I'll continue to watch this show :/
About Hasebe x Ryuzaki
About the awards, so I will also use spoiler tag since it's obviously off-topic.
However, I think Ohno's acting in Maou are better and more believable than Takky and Ryo so far. He made me sympathize with Naruse even though there were some illogical moments in that drama as well (ok, a lot less than in Orthors).
About the awards, so I will also use spoiler tag since it's obviously off-topic.
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but this is interesting so..nnnc wrote: About the awards, so I will also use spoiler tag since it's obviously off-topic.However, I think Ohno's acting in Maou are better and more believable than Takky and Ryo so far. He made me sympathize with Naruse even though there were some illogical moments in that drama as well (ok, a lot less than in Orthors).
[quote]and i also think that Ryuzaki and Aoi may be brothers. one got adopted and was left in orphenage.
and i think that Ryuzaki can heal himself too and only lied about it. just in case if they want to betray him. because there was no scar on his hand after that cut.[/quote]
I dont think Ryazaki can heal himself as he said so. But he said it a kind of "doesnt care way" as if he doesnt mind it at all. If you watch again where Ryuzaki and Aoi sitting on the bench, Ryuzaki touches Aoi's hand and healed Aoi's hand ...Ryuzaki's hand there was a little scar there... The wound still there.
and i think that Ryuzaki can heal himself too and only lied about it. just in case if they want to betray him. because there was no scar on his hand after that cut.[/quote]
I dont think Ryazaki can heal himself as he said so. But he said it a kind of "doesnt care way" as if he doesnt mind it at all. If you watch again where Ryuzaki and Aoi sitting on the bench, Ryuzaki touches Aoi's hand and healed Aoi's hand ...Ryuzaki's hand there was a little scar there... The wound still there.
Finally I joined this forum after many years, happy enough enjoying dramas discussion here. I just want to say my two cents on this drama. This drama is the most disappointing drama this season. I thought that I will find a great drama for summer, but... I'm so disappointed. This drama is like lack in everything. I wonder if they prepare this drama well or not. Even the supporting actors/actresses were just disappointing me. Can we just get rid of that woman cop, I hope Ryo touched her. Seriously. I thought she supposed to be cop that put justice more than anything, but how can she let go Ryuzaki over and over again?
I love Maou and when I read this drama's summary, I thought... well, this can be as great as Maou. Moreover, I believed in Tackey and Ryo's acting. But... sorry to say that it is nowhere near Maou. Especially Ryo. Even when his character supposed to be determined to find what is behind his power, his eyes didn't show anything. They were just same pitiful eyes. Perhaps pitiful and weak is his character personality, but changing in expression when the character changed his emotion is supposed to not difficult for good actor, right?
Now I just want to continue watch this drama, there is still hope that it can be lead into better direction.
I love Maou and when I read this drama's summary, I thought... well, this can be as great as Maou. Moreover, I believed in Tackey and Ryo's acting. But... sorry to say that it is nowhere near Maou. Especially Ryo. Even when his character supposed to be determined to find what is behind his power, his eyes didn't show anything. They were just same pitiful eyes. Perhaps pitiful and weak is his character personality, but changing in expression when the character changed his emotion is supposed to not difficult for good actor, right?
Now I just want to continue watch this drama, there is still hope that it can be lead into better direction.
Please don't tell me that guy is Hasebe's Husband? are you sure? i think he is just a friend with some crush on her.Sakuya wrote:Speaking of chemistry, I don't feel any chemistry between Hasebe and her husband. Their pairing is just very odd.
@nel123
Thank god for this news because as it said before Hasebe does have NO chemistry what so ever with either Aoi or Ryuzaki or her friend/husband that always is in here home.
About that scar left on his hand, i really did not see any. maybe my mistake
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after watching only 2 episodes, I can't help but notice that there are no chemistry between the actors.. and after seeing some posts here, I guess I'm not the only one who noticed this..
I don't know, it's like they're too busy acting their characters, they're in their own little bubble which doesn't help in the interaction scenes.. I also noticed it too in their TFP2 guest appearance to promote the drama, the 3 of them really have no chemistry and there's not much enthusiasm to promote... unlike other casts who goes to TFP2, you can tell with them that a bond has already formed, their enthusiasm for the drama and in winning the games.. even Ryo looked like he was enjoying himself more in TFP2 with the cast of Ryusei no Kizuna... but that's just my observation though.. what I'm trying to say is that this kind of chemistry between the cast members really help the story somewhat despite the production being not so good..
overall, it was rather disappointing when the premise at first sounded so promising.. maybe they would build their rapport in time.. I'm still going to continue to watch... well, more like because I already started it...
I don't know, it's like they're too busy acting their characters, they're in their own little bubble which doesn't help in the interaction scenes.. I also noticed it too in their TFP2 guest appearance to promote the drama, the 3 of them really have no chemistry and there's not much enthusiasm to promote... unlike other casts who goes to TFP2, you can tell with them that a bond has already formed, their enthusiasm for the drama and in winning the games.. even Ryo looked like he was enjoying himself more in TFP2 with the cast of Ryusei no Kizuna... but that's just my observation though.. what I'm trying to say is that this kind of chemistry between the cast members really help the story somewhat despite the production being not so good..
overall, it was rather disappointing when the premise at first sounded so promising.. maybe they would build their rapport in time.. I'm still going to continue to watch... well, more like because I already started it...
I only knew that because I saw the chart... to begin with I was like 'who is this character? what is the point in him?' there is no point... maybe there will be in future eps but at the mo all he provides is the lowest, dullest parts of the ep, everytime the scenes with him come on I groan. They don't come across as lovers at all it's terrible...Sakuya wrote:On the character chart, it says they're lovers.Issy wrote: Please don't tell me that guy is Hasebe's Husband? are you sure? i think he is just a friend with some crush on her.
I sound really negative haha, I do like the show but I feel strongly about thhis aspect of the show.
True. Good chemistry between the leads is one of the main things that make a good drama. But I think we all have been too negative. The last two pages have been filled with mostly negative comments. This probably put off many people who were curious about the drama but weren’t sure on whether or not to download it. I mean the drama has its flaws but the story is interesting enough to keep you watching. It’s definitely a good distraction from all the silly and funny stuff out there.TaroTard wrote: I sound really negative haha, I do like the show but I feel strongly about thhis aspect of the show.
the reason why this thread has been full of negative comments is that people's expectations was too high before it started.
very interesting plot and storyline and everyone was very eager to watch. I am curious about the story, that's why i continue watching (also have to admit that Takky helps this drama become more bareable by looking so fine )but if my disappointments and frustration became more than i can handle, i will stop watching immediately. it all depends on how the story & characters develops in later eps.
very interesting plot and storyline and everyone was very eager to watch. I am curious about the story, that's why i continue watching (also have to admit that Takky helps this drama become more bareable by looking so fine )but if my disappointments and frustration became more than i can handle, i will stop watching immediately. it all depends on how the story & characters develops in later eps.
Hmmn, actually I didn't want to add more negative comment for this drama. But, I gave up this drama after watching the first two episode. I was kind of disappointed in this drama.... Maybe, like someone have said earlier, my expectation is too high for this drama. Because, at first, judging from the cast, I thought this will be a great drama (I love all the cast). I was hoping something like MAOU. But, I'm sorry to say that this was nowhere near MAOU... The special effect is 'not clean', the story kind of weird for me... And I also agree with that there's lack of chemistry between the character... I never thought that I will gave up Ryo's drama though... LOL
Well, I hope that this drama can get better in the next episodes...
Well, I hope that this drama can get better in the next episodes...
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Heee... I dun think its a bad drama, no chemistry or what...
Maybe because this dorama too darkie hehehe... so the character become more mysterious
I'm wacthing this drama and being addicted, when i read the synopsis and the cast,
i didnt expect to much, and when i watch this dorama is more than i expected
I think Ryo will be the psychopat one with devil's hand (like what he does at "Last Friend" like abuse his GF or what else, killing people like crazy for example) but the story turns good with Ryo's who have the psychopat's faces with the white heart (his pitiful face beacuse he's suffer & regret after killing people)hehe
And Ryuzaki who had the God's hand but being the dark one
Maybe if Ryuzaki can heal himself then it's too perfect , another movie about healer also like that, the healer cannot heal themself i dunno why, but maybe it;s better if he can revive LOL
I think if the two of them become ally, then there's no one can stop them
I will definitely watch this dorama!! even I watch it from TBS without anysubs
Maybe because this dorama too darkie hehehe... so the character become more mysterious
I'm wacthing this drama and being addicted, when i read the synopsis and the cast,
i didnt expect to much, and when i watch this dorama is more than i expected
I think Ryo will be the psychopat one with devil's hand (like what he does at "Last Friend" like abuse his GF or what else, killing people like crazy for example) but the story turns good with Ryo's who have the psychopat's faces with the white heart (his pitiful face beacuse he's suffer & regret after killing people)hehe
And Ryuzaki who had the God's hand but being the dark one
Maybe if Ryuzaki can heal himself then it's too perfect , another movie about healer also like that, the healer cannot heal themself i dunno why, but maybe it;s better if he can revive LOL
I think if the two of them become ally, then there's no one can stop them
I will definitely watch this dorama!! even I watch it from TBS without anysubs
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Finally we got a twist in the end of eps 4.. I didn't expect it, but it somehow explains the former policer's behavior..
Except the first scene between Ryuuzaki & Hasebe which I found ridiculous (badly written) I think the editing is getting better. well certain camera angles still look weird..
I admit I have expected it to be sthing like MAOU, but I gave that idea up after like, eps 1?.. Though it does get a little bit better in later eps..
Lots of people keep saying they hoped it to be like "Maou." Yeah, it has that atmosphere, but people shouldn't have the expectations that it should be like it, It's two different shows... which is also why people have negative comments. High expectations, and expecting it to be like Maou. And yah... um.... Asami and Oshinari do NOT come off as being lovers. (I don't think I saw them even hug.) I just thought he was some guy who's trying to get with her, but she sees him more as a friend. And I realized... Asami is quite older than I thought... she's like.... 26 (random)
Oooooooh I wanna watch ep 4 <3
@ nell123 - I actually really love the show I just hate that guy Hasebe's "lover" so far he's been completely pointless.
But apart from that I'm actually really enjoying it ^^;;; I love fantasy stuff like this, the more unbelievable the better and Tackey is looking pretty good in it
But apart from that I'm actually really enjoying it ^^;;; I love fantasy stuff like this, the more unbelievable the better and Tackey is looking pretty good in it
The twist in the end of ep 4 I sort of expected that. Because at the beginning of ep 2 when Ryuzaki got out of jail and went and saw that ex-cop. He said "dont worry I havent told anyone". then I kind of guess that the ex-cop The CIA guy has the prove of Aoi's power but not Ryuzaki's yet has he ? The video only proof that
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well, it's natural to have expectation since there're few aspects that make us think of Maou. It happens to all kind of dramas actually. And I disagree to that to be the reason for the negative comments. As said I gave up that idea Oni resembles to Maou after ep 1, so my comments later only base on the drama itself. Even without comparing to anything, with the promises given before it started 'speedy, dark mystery drama' etc etc, so far I don't feel much of those but rather many holes in the plot, incoherences, illogical scenes, and not to mention the average actings. As much as I love Asami, I admit Hasebe is not her best role. She has proved such a non professionalism as a detective that really annoyed me, argh. For Tackey, I think dark hero role doesn't suit him. Like the scene in the car when he startled the old man, is ridiculous. Plus I don't find Ryuuzaki that charming at all, or even scary eh No comment about Ryo, never been fan of his acting; From the start to the end it's like he has one same expression on his face. and when he smiled it became silly, just as his character duh«minah» wrote:Lots of people keep saying they hoped it to be like "Maou." Yeah, it has that atmosphere, but people shouldn't have the expectations that it should be like it, It's two different shows... which is also why people have negative comments. High expectations, and expecting it to be like Maou.
Actually I like Hikaru acting. He's new but his villain is quiet convincing ^^
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^ Hikaru is not bad at all for a beginner. Actually, if you ignore the slight overacting, so far the performance of the entire team “Ryuzaki” has been very nice. Everyone has a few screws loose and very questionable morality. And they keep getting creepier, especially Sawamura.
Too bad that there’s no one among the good guys who can compare to them. Somehow I can’t see justice prevail at the end if we have to rely only on Aoi and Hasebe.
And there is one thing I don’t understand. Is Ryuzaki devoid of any emotions or Tackey just doesn’t emote well? I’ve seen four episodes and not one comprehensible facial expression in them.
Too bad that there’s no one among the good guys who can compare to them. Somehow I can’t see justice prevail at the end if we have to rely only on Aoi and Hasebe.
And there is one thing I don’t understand. Is Ryuzaki devoid of any emotions or Tackey just doesn’t emote well? I’ve seen four episodes and not one comprehensible facial expression in them.
omg, after watching ep.4 i can't wait for the next ep . love the cold tackey in the drama (he keeps reminding me of his role in Taiyou no Kisetsu) especially knowing that his personality is very cute in real life.
btw, I'm probably one of those who don't expect it to be like maou. personally, i didn't enjoy maou that much.
If this drama had been a Maou clone right after the second episode, I wouldn't have continued at all because I also stopped Maou after the 4th episode because I seriously can't stand doramas anymore which have this kind of repitition plot in a very annoying way. If it's funny I can bear with it but such things in a serious way make me bored easily.
Spoiler doesn't really include spoilers or plot content but I thought I just wrote too much about nothing
Spoiler doesn't really include spoilers or plot content but I thought I just wrote too much about nothing
I like watching this drama but in a weird way. I adore Takky and I'm having a good time just watching him playing Ryuzaki. His acting is getting better in later episodes. I also have fun spotting cliche moments in this drama -- sudden appearance/disappearance of Ryuzaki, dramatic pauses before he heals people, Ryuzaki's ambiguous/mysterious speech. Basically, Ryuzaki is what makes me continue watching this drama and I'm curious to see how the story will develop.
Still, the pacing in this drama is a bit off. As I said earlier, it's too slow in parts and in some other parts it could benefit more with longer scenes. The acting of all actors except Takky and Sasaki Kuranosuke ranges from average to bad. I'm most disappointed in Ryo and Asami. They gave better performance in their previous dramas, but both of them have only two facial expressions at most in Orthros. The stupidity of their characters only makes things worse for them. The supporting actors also did worse, especially that politician and the lady doctor. I think I should blame it on the director because I've seen these actors doing better before. Shugo, who plays Hasebe's lover, appeared in one episode of Ninkyo Helper and he did a lot better than in this drama.
I also didn't expect this to be like Maou. My expectation for this drama was solely because it's Takky's drama after a long time. I enjoyed Maou but I think it's way overrated.
Still, the pacing in this drama is a bit off. As I said earlier, it's too slow in parts and in some other parts it could benefit more with longer scenes. The acting of all actors except Takky and Sasaki Kuranosuke ranges from average to bad. I'm most disappointed in Ryo and Asami. They gave better performance in their previous dramas, but both of them have only two facial expressions at most in Orthros. The stupidity of their characters only makes things worse for them. The supporting actors also did worse, especially that politician and the lady doctor. I think I should blame it on the director because I've seen these actors doing better before. Shugo, who plays Hasebe's lover, appeared in one episode of Ninkyo Helper and he did a lot better than in this drama.
I also didn't expect this to be like Maou. My expectation for this drama was solely because it's Takky's drama after a long time. I enjoyed Maou but I think it's way overrated.
I thought episode 6 has not been aired yet..how do you know all that?I didn't see it in the preview..«minah» wrote:I think everyone who gave up/about to give up on this series must watch eppy 6 >__<!!!! I think this is the life saver!
Anyways, I really hope to see more of Ryuzaki and Nagisa scenes..they look so nice together and I'm really addicted to this drama regardless of the negative comments I've read.
I think its a good watch..if you don't think too much it'll be very enjoyable!
hahaha..that's ok. now it makes sense!! whatever it is, the story's getting real good and I can sense that some serious action in the future episodes especially that involves Aoi«minah» wrote:WHOOOOOPS! Typooooooooo lol!!! *fixes* I think my glasses are failin' on me... hehehe... I feel like a dooooRk
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I heard there're more than one director for this drama, maybe that explains? well dunno , not gonna check on it :p
But ep5 is probably my fav. The editing, BGM, dialogues, like it flows more smoothly. Or maybe I'm just pleased that Ryuuzaki has shown hints that his character has some depth ^^,, I think something happened in the past, it could be related to Aoi, maybe they've known each other, then some kind of 'accident' occurred to them. Perhaps Ryuuzaki did some 'selfish' thing to Aoi that made the last become like nowadays. I mean, they must have some sort of connection. The prod wouldn't show too much of the talisman thingie that both possess..
On other hand, Aoi character is still kind of blah to me. It seems he can't think by himself, always influenced by everyone who tries to talk to him, thus he's just being used in the end. Me either, I don't think Hikaru died... But, I already like the idea their roles reverse in the end. It's predictable & cliché but at this point I think OnI can't go other way, can it?.
But ep5 is probably my fav. The editing, BGM, dialogues, like it flows more smoothly. Or maybe I'm just pleased that Ryuuzaki has shown hints that his character has some depth ^^,, I think something happened in the past, it could be related to Aoi, maybe they've known each other, then some kind of 'accident' occurred to them. Perhaps Ryuuzaki did some 'selfish' thing to Aoi that made the last become like nowadays. I mean, they must have some sort of connection. The prod wouldn't show too much of the talisman thingie that both possess..
On other hand, Aoi character is still kind of blah to me. It seems he can't think by himself, always influenced by everyone who tries to talk to him, thus he's just being used in the end. Me either, I don't think Hikaru died... But, I already like the idea their roles reverse in the end. It's predictable & cliché but at this point I think OnI can't go other way, can it?.
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I too LOVE Ryuzaki the most. i really felt for his in this ep.
Amen to that.Issy wrote:I totally agree. it felt like i am watching a different drama all together. everything was different in this ep. even actors acting is much better. story lines/suspence...and everything is has improved ten folds.
I too LOVE Ryuzaki the most. i really felt for his in this ep.
till now ep5 is by far the best eps of this drama. now i am looking forward for next ep.
The production team has finally woken up. I can’t believe it took them so long to get this far.
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I agree with you about cia guy but i think that he want to died and he is connect with both guy and he want a peaceful death not a painful one so that why is aoi side.Issy wrote:I totally agree. it felt like i am watching a different drama all together. everything was different in this ep. even actors acting is much better. story lines/suspence...and everything is has improved ten folds.
I too LOVE Ryuzaki the most. i really felt for his in this ep.
till now ep5 is by far the best eps of this drama. now i am looking forward for next ep.
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I like the episodes so far. I have to say that I agree with the people who don't particularly like Hasebe. Somehow, I also feel she is more suitable in supporting roles. I find her irritating when she plays the lead. I think it is a good question to ask yourself "What would you do if you had the power over life or death?" What an interesting question.
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Oh god, episode 5 was epic. <3
I thought Takizawa's kiss with Asami was hot. xDDD Well, cute at least. Not as hot as the ones I've seen though. xD
I'm starting to like this Takizawa x Asami thing, odd - cause I want Ryo x Asami to happen.
AND I THINKKKKK ~~
Did you guys notice the lights behind Ryo and Takizawa when they were talking on the roof? >8DDD Behind Ryo was blue, and behind Takizawa was red! XDDD I dunno. Red = devil, blue = angel? Random... >w<;
Who else dropped their jaws when Ryo killed Kumakiri? AND OMG TAKIZAWA LOST HIS COOL WITH MASATO!! XDDD Takizawa x Asami, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? xD
EDIT: omg bad ratings? This drama's the best I've seen since THNK! I'm so hooked on this drama!
I thought Takizawa's kiss with Asami was hot. xDDD Well, cute at least. Not as hot as the ones I've seen though. xD
I'm starting to like this Takizawa x Asami thing, odd - cause I want Ryo x Asami to happen.
AND I THINKKKKK ~~
Who else dropped their jaws when Ryo killed Kumakiri? AND OMG TAKIZAWA LOST HIS COOL WITH MASATO!! XDDD Takizawa x Asami, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? xD
EDIT: omg bad ratings? This drama's the best I've seen since THNK! I'm so hooked on this drama!
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