[Discussion] GOU ~Himetachi no Sengoku~

lullabye · Post by **lullabye** » Feb 19th, '11, 04:57

I have my doubts about the historicity of ep 6, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. If Ranmaru had sent a letter that Mitsuhide kept secret from everyone else, I can imagine Mitsuhide as using a young girl as something of his confessor. I've seen adults use children like this often enough that it is plausible.

Besides, we got to see Ranmaru being pensive one more time, so I am willing to forgive the invention of this bit of the tale.

The one thing that does consistently bother me is Hideyoshi being portrayed as a fool. I understood he was called Monkey because he was ugly, not because of his actions. It seems an unnecessary comedy element.

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 19th, '11, 07:01

lullabye wrote:I have my doubts about the historicity of ep 6, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. If Ranmaru had sent a letter that Mitsuhide kept secret from everyone else, I can imagine Mitsuhide as using a young girl as something of his confessor. I've seen adults use children like this often enough that it is plausible.

Besides, we got to see Ranmaru being pensive one more time, so I am willing to forgive the invention of this bit of the tale.

Fortunately for me, I'm rather unfamiliar with the specific details of the Sengoku Period, so it doesn't bother me.

In this case, ignorance is bliss... LOL.

The one thing that does consistently bother me is Hideyoshi being portrayed as a fool. I understood he was called Monkey because he was ugly, not because of his actions. It seems an unnecessary comedy element.

Yeah, the director really has Kishitani Goro playing this way over the top... He should be wearing a jester's outfit, not samurai armor.

Liubeibei · Post by **Liubeibei** » Feb 19th, '11, 08:12

IMO in the series so far Hideyoshi might've literally acted like a fool, but he's shown why he'll be the nex tenkabito.

The writer gave him the bit where he creates the false rumor. That is, IMO, brilliant, even his supposed strategist Kuroda Kanbei has to bow down to him for that one.

This is the first time I've seen the "false rumor" twist, I thought it was nice.

Peggy · Post by **Peggy** » Feb 19th, '11, 08:48

I never thought of Hideyoshi as a fool. Nobunaga would never have called him to be his man in the first place.... he did not suffer fools close to him. He used him because he was intelligent and knew the rank and file people well. It was a long association.
The name 'Monkey' referred to his facial features not to his actions or antics.

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 19th, '11, 16:57

^ Thing is, Peggy, he's sorta acting like a fool... Or a petulant child.

Peggy · Post by **Peggy** » Feb 19th, '11, 18:57

Bmwracer..

Yes I know ...but it's hard for me to let the real history go away. I have to re connect with GOU as an almost fantasy. I think the people who lived the history were so interesting and even moreso than the ones we are seeing in the drama. But keep on
nudging me back to the future won't you..

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 19th, '11, 22:24

Peggy wrote:But keep on nudging me back to the future won't you..

Will do.

BTW, I finished watching Episode 6 with subs... Go's meeting with Mitsuhide was clearly the best part of that episode... I'm sure it's historical fiction, but it's acted out wonderfully: Such sadness and tragic irony, I thought.

yanie · Post by **yanie** » Feb 20th, '11, 12:14

Just for the record, I enjoyed Ep7 alot more than Ep6

So, where was Toyotomi Hideyoshi from/born? I was wondering in what dialect/accent was Hideyoshi's mother speaking?

I heard more nice music scores in Ep7.... OST download link, mada?

Peggy · Post by **Peggy** » Feb 20th, '11, 22:44

Hideyoshi was born somewhere near Nagoya. I always thought he was in the vicinity of Nobunaga since this was Owari province. Hideyoshi was of lowly birth and not too much is truly known about his early days. He seemed to wander around until finally coming back into the employ of Nobunaga as his sandal carrier. He rose high didn't he? He was devoted to Nobunaga and very loyal throughout.
He must have been a most interesting person since he became a general and after the death of Nobunaga he carried on building up the social charms with the tea ceremony and later brought the Noh theatre to the fore. He acted as the main role himself many times.

One of the things that interests me so much is that many of these hardy warriors who were so tough and sometimes harsh and cruel, had interests in poetry and music and the arts. The samurai life in the highest levels must have been full of interest besides bushido.

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 21st, '11, 00:04

Episode 7 is out: http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_93143.htm

avieamber · Post by **avieamber** » Feb 21st, '11, 01:44

just had the chance to watch ep6 with subs last night

avieamber · Post by **avieamber** » Feb 21st, '11, 01:45

just had the chance to watch ep6 with subs last night

Peggy · Post by **Peggy** » Feb 21st, '11, 02:24

Just watched a documentary about Osaka Castle. I think built over the ruins of Honnoji by Hideyoshi. Amazing moat almost all around and built on what would have been a hill over looking the town. Great statues which I presume would have been of Hideyoshi but possibly also Nobunaga. Not speaking Japanese I could not tell.
The present castle is a reconstruction after the destruction during WWII. Must be a great sight to look up and see those rooftops.

Liubeibei · Post by **Liubeibei** » Feb 21st, '11, 06:02

yanie wrote:I was wondering in what dialect/accent was Hideyoshi's mother speaking?

I just watched ep 7 and like Peggy said, they were from Owari Province. Hideyoshi's mother speaks in Owari dialect (also noted in the opening credit with a couple of people taking care of dialects spoken in the episode, Owari-kotoba was one of them).

Liubeibei · Post by **Liubeibei** » Feb 21st, '11, 06:08

Peggy wrote:Just watched a documentary about Osaka Castle. I think built over the ruins of Honnoji by Hideyoshi.

Just a quick note that Hideyoshi built it over the ruins of Ishiyama Honganji Temple (destroyed by Nobunaga in 1580), not Honnoji. The original and current Honnoji Temples are both in Kyoto.

Peggy · Post by **Peggy** » Feb 21st, '11, 06:33

Liubeibei.

Many thanks for the correction re where Osaka castle was built. I was straining my ears trying to get the place names but they were speaking quickly and I was trying to watch everything. My mistake... not surprising .Please forgive.

Sympathetic language osmosis does not exist..

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 23rd, '11, 06:01

Episode 7 subs are out: http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_92078_0.htm

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 23rd, '11, 14:31

Ratings for Episode 7: 18.5%... Down again.

avieamber · Post by **avieamber** » Feb 23rd, '11, 14:45

bmwracer wrote:Ratings for Episode 7: 18.5%... Down again.

Don't worry, i'm sure it'll pick up again.

I never bother about the ratings though, if I like the story or actors in there, i'll follow it till the end.

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 23rd, '11, 14:50

avieamber wrote:
bmwracer wrote:Ratings for Episode 7: 18.5%... Down again.
Don't worry, i'm sure it'll pick up again. I never bother about the ratings though, if I like the story or actors in there, i'll follow it till the end.

Yeah, same here... But I'm always hoping that the drama will be successful, too.

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 25th, '11, 14:39

Magazine scan.

avieamber · Post by **avieamber** » Feb 26th, '11, 04:21

finished ep7

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 26th, '11, 05:29

Looks like some folks are blaming Juri-chan for the low ratings: http://www.tokyohive.com/2011/02/gou-an ... criticism/

Apparently, people can only see the Nodame character in her acting and nothing else....

And some are STILL pissing about the age issue... Either get over it or stop watching and whining about it.

Oh well, you can't make everyone happy...

hhnd · Post by **hhnd** » Feb 26th, '11, 05:48

Haha I also was very upset at the article above, considering how they're not judging her acting as a 10 year old character, they just want her to behave like the typical princess at that time. I understand no matter how "lively" a girl might be, she had to obey certain rules during that period, but to me, it has to do with the script more than anything.
Naturally the main actress has to take the blame. Now I really hope once Gou moves on to the more mature phase, they'll really see Juri-chan's acting talent.

So far I think she was excellent as a 10-year-old, it's our problem that we can't accept the age difference or that we can't get Nodame out of our head (our = audience in general, certainly not me. I don't see any Nodame around in Gou

)

*Haven't sounded like such a biased fan in a long time, it's fun

*

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 26th, '11, 06:03

hhnd wrote:Haha I also was very upset at the article above, considering how they're not judging her acting as a 10 year old character, they just want her to behave like the typical princess at that time. I understand no matter how "lively" a girl might be, she had to obey certain rules during that period, but to me, it has to do with the script more than anything.
Naturally the main actress has to take the blame. Now I really hope once Gou moves on to the more mature phase, they'll really see Juri-chan's acting talent.

Yup, just like in sports, the star or coach is the one to blame for the entire team's failures...

So far I think she was excellent as a 10-year-old, it's our problem that we can't accept the age difference or that we can't get Nodame out of our head (our = audience in general, certainly not me. I don't see any Nodame around in Gou )

It's probably both.

I suppose if you don't have any imagination whatsoever you can't (or won't) visualize an adult portraying a precocious little kid... And if people can't get the Nodame character out of their heads, who's fault is that?

Not Ueno's.

lullabye · Post by **lullabye** » Feb 26th, '11, 06:23

bmwracer wrote:Either get over it or stop watching and whining about it.

Since the ratings are down, it looks like there are plenty of people doing just that. But I don't think it is the acting or even the difficulty in accepting the age gap for the actresses and their characters. It's the writing and direction, the way that the world is made to spin around Gou. It's not just that she is the main character, but that she is omnipresent and all-wise, while respected historical figures are made to look foolish. All the actors have been commendable, but they can only do so much.

As for me, I'm still watching. I may not last the whole thing out, but it won't be because of the acting.

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 26th, '11, 06:39

lullabye wrote:
bmwracer wrote:Either get over it or stop watching and whining about it.
Since the ratings are down, it looks like there are plenty of people doing just that.

I guess so.

But I don't think it is the acting or even the difficulty in accepting the age gap for the actresses and their characters.

Not according to that article or the accompanying comments...

It's the writing and direction, the way that the world is made to spin around Gou. It's not just that she is the main character, but that she is omnipresent and all-wise, while respected historical figures are made to look foolish.

I don't think she comes off as being all-wise... I think it's more the observations of a curious, innocent youth wondering why things are the way they are.

The only foolish character is Hideyoshi, I think... He's way over the top with the idiot savant characterization.

As for me, I'm still watching. I may not last the whole thing out, but it won't be because of the acting.

I'm going to watch it all the way through (no surprise) unless it turns into a joke like Last Friends...

lullabye · Post by **lullabye** » Feb 26th, '11, 07:22

lullabye wrote:But I don't think it is the acting or even the difficulty in accepting the age gap for the actresses and their characters.
bmwracer wrote:Not according to that article or the accompanying comments...

Japanese critics are notorious for blaming a show's problems on the actors.

bmwracer wrote:The only foolish character is Hideyoshi, I think... He's way over the top with the idiot savant characterization.

This, so much. If it doesn't let up, this will be what kills my enjoyment of the show.

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 26th, '11, 08:26

lullabye wrote:
lullabye wrote:But I don't think it is the acting or even the difficulty in accepting the age gap for the actresses and their characters.
bmwracer wrote:Not according to that article or the accompanying comments...
Japanese critics are notorious for blaming a show's problems on the actors.

bmwracer wrote:The only foolish character is Hideyoshi, I think... He's way over the top with the idiot savant characterization.
This, so much. If it doesn't let up, this will be what kills my enjoyment of the show.

I guess I need to read up some more about Hideyoshi to see if he was really this eccentric... This over the top characterization really reminds me of Takenaka Naoto's role as Franz Stresemann from Nodame.

The portrayal won't turn me off from watching, but I think it does affect the flow and rhythm of the drama...

Peggy · Post by **Peggy** » Feb 26th, '11, 09:30

That critic was a little harsh I think. Have to allow for the critics in general as they are usually making a noise to increase their own place in the entertainment world.

I have only been d/l these episodes. However I have watched a scene or two here and there, and read every posting by others re this drama. I must say it is interesting to see how people view a drama at times. Once I re set my mind to view Ueno as a child, and accept that she would at least grow up..I was able to get over that bump in the road. I did not watch more than one or two scenes of Nodame. Not my style. Saw Last Friend. Certainly not acted in the way Gou is being acted.
I don't like the way Hideyoshi is emphasised as a fool in the court. He was no fool. He was brave and loyal to Nobunaga always. He dealt with Akechi for sure. He actually had an amazing life...very interesting man.

Gou as portrayed would not have existed. Japanese Princesses from childhood would have been elegant and polite and well versed in how to be a good wife and mother. They would not be as pushy as this Gou and she would not have been privy to any important conversation between her male elders whether family or vassals.
I think the writer has played around with the history to suit what she wanted for her own story. There are several places where what is written and acted just did not and could not have happened. I think I have said before that I do not mind if some things are left out of a story but I dislike very much when something is added in quantity which never occurred. History should not be messed with... altho I know it is changed all the time depending who is doing the writing.
In any drama with Nobunaga or any reading about him I never found any closeness with Gou being mentioned at all. I consider this to be a drama and hardly correctly a taiga. It is not history. It is a drama about historical people. This is only my opinion of course and I go by what I have seen and read. Any taiga is a great undertaking and a lot of work.
Right now I am watching two other taigas. One is the 1998 'Takeda Shingen' and just started the 1997 one about the Mori Motonari, who came several years before Nobunaga.
Both are black and white and both are exceptional.

avieamber · Post by **avieamber** » Feb 26th, '11, 09:32

well it is her FIRST taiga drama after all, i think they should cut her some slack for it and give her some time to adjust.

And besides, it's also not her fault that she needs to act as a 10 yr old in it. Not that I find anything much wrong with it, because so far, I'm enjoying her very much in there. I did feel several 'nodame' ocassions but I think it's because she's a very curious kid and again, a 10 year old.

I think the critics are bit too harsh on her. It's obviously not entirely her fault.

Plus, she's just following the script by calling nobunaga 'uncle' I'm sure.

I will definitely continue watching though. And I'm sure the ratings will pick up once she gets off the kiddy phase. She'll do amazing as an adult.

Post by **Keiko1981** » Feb 26th, '11, 13:33

The drama Gou and Ueno Juri's acting criticized.
(Personally I haven't watched Nodame or Gou yet so I can't say this or that, I think I've just watched Last Friends, with Ueno Juri)

Part of the article from Tokyohive
Full article is here: http://www.tokyohive.com/2011/02/gou-an ... criticism/

First off, most people think that it’s unreasonable to have a 24 year-old portraying a character that is merely 9-10 years old as yet, but there are also direct attacks like: “she doesn’t know how to act in a historical drama” and “the way she’s talking doesn’t fit at all”.

Entertainment critic Hiruma Masaaki tried to put it in a nutshell:

“Her acting is poor. No matter what she does, she always looks like ‘Nodame’. It was a very successful role for her, but she isn’t able to put enough weight into her characters as it would be appropriate for a woman living in the Sengoku period. Others like Suzuki Honami are doing a great job, but Ueno’s ‘Nodame’ acting makes her character look more like a moronic princess. She does have a big face and big eyes by nature, but nothing of that is needed for a historical drama. Her performance makes her look like a girl from Shibuya, not like a princess. Viewers judge a character depending on the person who is playing it, but since her image from ‘Nodame’ is still too prominent, it was a mistake to cast her for a taiga drama in the first place. “

He further criticized the wrong historical facts throughout the drama:

“You are free to interpret history in different ways, but you must not bend historical facts. People will stop watching it, because they don’t buy what’s going on anymore. You just don’t call Nobunaga ‘uncle~’, it doesn’t fit into the Sengoku period. I’m done with it, it’s a pure waste of time.”

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 26th, '11, 16:43

^ Uh, I already posted the link to that article on the previous page...

Ken Sanada · Post by **Ken Sanada** » Feb 27th, '11, 04:38

A Japanese Actor,Yasuo Daichi,who performed in the drama "Go Himetachi no Sengoku" Katsuie Shibata,Go's stepfather talked about Juri Ueno and her acting as a princess Go.

He said "Juri Ueno faithfully performed the post.She did not do a useless speaking. She was worried reading a script for a long time.I couldn't understand whether Juri Ueno was worried to think about acting or Go herself was worried".

Additionally,he said"Juri Ueno is very serious about her work unusually and is very hopeful.She can take care with surroundings and is good actor."

Yocto · Post by **Yocto** » Feb 27th, '11, 05:26

“You are free to interpret history in different ways, but you must not bend historical facts. People will stop watching it, because they don’t buy what’s going on anymore. You just don’t call Nobunaga ‘uncle~’, it doesn’t fit into the Sengoku period."

Agreed.
But "historical facts" are also subject to interpretation & bias.
Aren't the "winners" who wrote history from their perspective ?

I like Juri Ueno acting as princess Gou.
[ And I also like the acting of the guy playing monkey. He is really funny. ]

// Yocto

vege-okonomiyaki · Post by **vege-okonomiyaki** » Feb 27th, '11, 14:15

Yocto wrote:
I like Juri Ueno acting as princess Gou.
[ And I also like the acting of the guy playing monkey. He is really funny. ]

// Yocto

He is. Goro Kishitani has also directed Juri-chan in Killer Virgin Road, and played her dad years ago in NHK's Teru Teru Kazoku

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 27th, '11, 15:58

^ Bad link for the pic.

vege-okonomiyaki · Post by **vege-okonomiyaki** » Feb 27th, '11, 18:00

bmwracer wrote:^ Bad link for the pic.

What pic?

lullabye · Post by **lullabye** » Feb 27th, '11, 18:22

vege-okonomiyaki wrote:
bmwracer wrote:^ Bad link for the pic.
Fixed. <kicks>

LOL. Still not fixed. You'll have to copy the picture and upload it to your own account. Baidu and hotlinking of any kind don't mix.

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 27th, '11, 19:23

lullabye wrote:
vege-okonomiyaki wrote:
bmwracer wrote:^ Bad link for the pic.
Fixed. <kicks>
LOL. Still not fixed. You'll have to copy the picture and upload it to your own account. Baidu and hotlinking of any kind don't mix.

Yup.

Use Photobucket as your image host (even though they screwed up the user interface

).

vege-okonomiyaki · Post by **vege-okonomiyaki** » Feb 28th, '11, 01:37

lullabye wrote:
vege-okonomiyaki wrote:
bmwracer wrote:^ Bad link for the pic.
Fixed. <kicks>
LOL. Still not fixed. You'll have to copy the picture and upload it to your own account. Baidu and hotlinking of any kind don't mix.

Oooh, sorry. Did you say something?

lullabye · Post by **lullabye** » Feb 28th, '11, 02:27

vege-okonomiyaki wrote:
lullabye wrote:
vege-okonomiyaki wrote:
Fixed. <kicks>
LOL. Still not fixed. You'll have to copy the picture and upload it to your own account. Baidu and hotlinking of any kind don't mix.
Oooh, sorry. Did you say something?

LOL

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Feb 28th, '11, 22:21

Ratings for Episode 8 was 20.9%

So much for the criticism about Juri-chan's acting.

avieamber · Post by **avieamber** » Mar 1st, '11, 02:48

bmwracer wrote:Ratings for Episode 8 was 20.9%

So much for the criticism about Juri-chan's acting.

AWESOME!

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Mar 2nd, '11, 00:38

Ack, where's Episode 8?

I'm going through withdrawal....

hhnd · Post by **hhnd** » Mar 2nd, '11, 06:11

That's awesome

I can't wait for ep 8 either

I like how nothing has changed (in that her acting hasn't improved in just one episode), but rating is something critics can use so that they have something to write about. Oh well, everyone's got to make a living, right?

cokecain · Post by **cokecain** » Mar 2nd, '11, 09:01

Someone please upload episode 8 raw version !!!!

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Mar 2nd, '11, 14:33

hhnd wrote:That's awesome I can't wait for ep 8 either

I like how nothing has changed (in that her acting hasn't improved in just one episode), but rating is something critics can use so that they have something to write about. Oh well, everyone's got to make a living, right?

You said it.

Still no sign of the raws...

ingesz · Post by **ingesz** » Mar 5th, '11, 08:59

there's no one discussing episode 8 in here

lullabye · Post by **lullabye** » Mar 5th, '11, 09:23

ingesz wrote: there's no one discussing episode 8 in here

Busy week. I haven't had a chance to watch yet!

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Mar 6th, '11, 01:06

ingesz wrote: there's no one discussing episode 8 in here

I already talked about Episode 8 over at J-Dorama.

avieamber · Post by **avieamber** » Mar 7th, '11, 04:25

Can I request for the OST in mediafire link please? Anyone?

thanks in advance!

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Mar 7th, '11, 06:28

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Mar 7th, '11, 21:15

Rating for Episode 9: 20.0%

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Mar 11th, '11, 04:06

Just finished Episode 9...

The human drama has just been terrific so far... And incredibly tragic.

ingesz · Post by **ingesz** » Mar 11th, '11, 20:54

after the tsunami, i'm not sure episode 10 will be aired

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Mar 11th, '11, 23:23

ingesz wrote:after the tsunami, i'm not sure episode 10 will be aired

Yeah, probably.... Everyone's in emergency mode right now.

ingesz · Post by **ingesz** » Mar 12th, '11, 10:24

please anyone translate this article

大河「江」地震で撮影中止、出演者帰宅
2011.3.12 05:01

11日の地震発生当時、東京・渋谷区のNHKでは放送中の大河ドラマ「江~姫たちの戦国~」と朝ドラ「おひさま」の撮影中だった。「江」では豊臣秀吉役の岸谷五朗(46)と淀君役の宮沢りえ(37)が撮影に参加していたが、いずれも途中で打ち切り。出演者は全員、帰宅の途についた。

source : sanpoo.com

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Mar 12th, '11, 16:00

^ I think it basically says that filming for Go has stopped because of the disaster.

raven_frost · Post by **raven_frost** » Mar 12th, '11, 16:07

Filming for Go was in progress at the time of the earthquake. It has since been discontinued.

Ep10 has been postponed and will air on 20 March as NHK lengthens its special coverage on the earthquake aftermath.

ingesz · Post by **ingesz** » Mar 19th, '11, 11:38

waiting for episode 10 ^_^

iluvasiandrama · Post by **iluvasiandrama** » Mar 20th, '11, 15:50

Aww

I have to wait to see this drama until it's streaming online since I can't download files. CRAP! :alcoholic:

avieamber · Post by **avieamber** » Mar 20th, '11, 16:01

ep10 is gonna be a real tear jerker again

yanie · Post by **yanie** » Mar 21st, '11, 03:38

A very tearjerker episode, indeed! T_T

Ishida Mitsunari appeared for the first time! yea~
How old is he suppose to be in Ep10?

Liubeibei · Post by **Liubeibei** » Mar 21st, '11, 04:06

yanie wrote:A very tearjerker episode, indeed! T_T

Ishida Mitsunari appeared for the first time! yea~
How old is he suppose to be in Ep10?

yanie! Haven't seen you in ages!

Mitsunari is supposed to be 23 in this episode.

The scene at the end with Ichi and Katsuie,

Much, much sadder than I expected.

yanie · Post by **yanie** » Mar 21st, '11, 04:32

Thanks!

Hehe... yea, got caught up with RL jobs. Just managed to watch Ep7-9 with your subs last week, and caught Ep10 on airtime yesterday^^

I have to say I love Ep8-9!! Really love the family drama^^ Although it's questionable that Chacha and Hatsu can accept Katsuie as their father and loving him to that extent, in such a short of time. But oh well... its a drama^^

The actor playing as Shibata Katsuie did a great job. None of the other Katsuie actor left me a deep impression as much^^

Otsukaresama deshita to Suzuki Honami!! She will always be my #1 ICHI !! But I guess, she's not considered "crank-up" yet? As she has more narration job all the way to final ep??^^

Liubeibei · Post by **Liubeibei** » Mar 21st, '11, 04:47

yanie wrote:Thanks!

Hehe... yea, got caught up with RL jobs. Just managed to watch Ep7-9 with your subs last week, and caught Ep10 on airtime yesterday^^

I have to say I love Ep8-9!! Really love the family drama^^ Although it's questionable that Chacha and Hatsu can accept Katsuie as their father and loving him to that extent, in such a short of time. But oh well... its a drama^^

The actor playing as Shibata Katsuie did a great job. None of the other Katsuie actor left me a deep impression as much^^

Otsukaresama deshita to Suzuki Honami!! She will always be my #1 ICHI !! But I guess, she's not considered "crank-up" yet? As she has more narration job all the way to final ep??^^

Well, in that case, okaeri!

I agree that this version's Shibata Katsuie has left the most impression, not only because Daichi Yasuo did a great job, but also because this story is mainly telling their side of the story. The second-place Katsuie for me is Matsudaira Ken from 2002's Toshiie to Matsu.

About Suzuki Honami, I brought it up before but 7th-key made a good point that she's been narrating all this time from the after-life anyway, so she'll just continue

BTW, Ichi is so awesome in this episode.

Liubeibei · Post by **Liubeibei** » Mar 21st, '11, 05:39

Kyogoku Tatsuko (played by Suzuki Sawa) is making her debut in ep 11.

futarichan · Post by **futarichan** » Mar 23rd, '11, 23:37

yanie wrote:A very tearjerker episode, indeed! T_T

mitai~ but will be...

yanie wrote: The actor playing as Shibata Katsuie did a great job. None of the other Katsuie actor left me a deep impression as much^^

Otsukaresama deshita to Suzuki Honami!! She will always be my #1 ICHI !! But I guess, she's not considered "crank-up" yet? As she has more narration job all the way to final ep??^^

yes she will http://sankei.jp.msn.com/entertainments ... 009-n4.htm
definitely will missed Shibata Katsuei-sama

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Mar 24th, '11, 19:42

Azai clan t-shirt.

avieamber · Post by **avieamber** » Mar 25th, '11, 02:58

bmwracer wrote:Azai clan t-shirt.

NICE!!!!~

bmwracer · Post by **bmwracer** » Mar 25th, '11, 03:28

^ I stumbled onto that pic while Googling.

yanie · Post by **yanie** » Mar 25th, '11, 05:59

bmwracer wrote:Azai clan t-shirt.

Uwaaa... kakkoiii~ It's more of an "Azai Nagamasa family" t-shirt rather than Azai clan, ne. There are different family crests next to each name. I recognize next to Go is Tokugawa family crest (my avatar^^v). So I'm guessing that next to Nagamasa is Azai crest? Next to Chacha is Toyotomi crest? Next to Hatsu is Kyogoku crest? And next to Ichi... is that the Oda crest?

I want a Tokugawa clan t-shirt

Liubeibei · Post by **Liubeibei** » Mar 25th, '11, 07:39

yanie wrote:
bmwracer wrote:Azai clan t-shirt.

Uwaaa... kakkoiii~ It's more of an "Azai Nagamasa family" t-shirt rather than Azai clan, ne. There are different family crests next to each name. I recognize next to Go is Tokugawa family crest (my avatar^^v). So I'm guessing that next to Nagamasa is Azai crest? Next to Chacha is Toyotomi crest? Next to Hatsu is Kyogoku crest? And next to Ichi... is that the Oda crest?

I want a Tokugawa clan t-shirt

Ding ding ding ding ding! You got all the crests correctly

yanie · Post by **yanie** » Mar 25th, '11, 08:20

Liubeibei wrote:Ding ding ding ding ding! You got all the crests correctly

Haha... thanks.

Sorry, need to correct. kaneyamaboy once told me that my avatar is not really a Tokugawa crest, but more of a Matsudaira crest. (branch of Tokugawa? or is it the other way around?) Different number of leaves in both crests... tsk, tsk^^

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