Il Ji Mae (SBS, 2008)
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Ah, that's good to know. ^^ I can't remember him using spheres before so I guess I mistook it as darts because that's the only thing I saw him throw out of his hands quite often.
Silent, what other drama have you saw that's similar to this one and have a happy ending? I wanna watch something like this one without feeling sick to stomach because of the ending.
Also, cute sign you have there. I like see his smiling face. Actually Iljimae was my first drama with that actor, lol and I was impressed with his acting even though I didn't know who he was.
Silent, what other drama have you saw that's similar to this one and have a happy ending? I wanna watch something like this one without feeling sick to stomach because of the ending.
Also, cute sign you have there. I like see his smiling face. Actually Iljimae was my first drama with that actor, lol and I was impressed with his acting even though I didn't know who he was.
I re watched this scene few times and I'm sure that he throw spheres
Well.. I didn't mean historical drama but a drama with similar plot
And precisely it's Time between dog and wolf. The story is quite the same. Main character looks for revenge after his mother who's been killed, and even is in love with killers daughter. (hehe, well Eun Chae's father wasn't a killer himself but he wasn't a pure person in this case so just say this example is similar:lol )
But as for me ending is better coz end don't leave so many unanswered questions.
Because people compared Iljimae to Hong Gil Dong I think I will watch it soon
Yeah, I love his smile And if you haven't watch Junki in another drama yet I strongly recommend Time... It's just "must see" one
Well.. I didn't mean historical drama but a drama with similar plot
And precisely it's Time between dog and wolf. The story is quite the same. Main character looks for revenge after his mother who's been killed, and even is in love with killers daughter. (hehe, well Eun Chae's father wasn't a killer himself but he wasn't a pure person in this case so just say this example is similar:lol )
But as for me ending is better coz end don't leave so many unanswered questions.
Because people compared Iljimae to Hong Gil Dong I think I will watch it soon
Yeah, I love his smile And if you haven't watch Junki in another drama yet I strongly recommend Time... It's just "must see" one
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Heh. I thought Time Between Wolf and Dog was one of those depressing series with a sad ending, like A Love to Kill or something. So it doesn't have a sad ending?
I can't tell which one bother me far more, unanswered questions or sad ending. Hmm...although Iljimae's ending seem pretty clear, that is he's still alive and so are other people.
Hong Gil Dong was the first historical drama and it was almost the reason why I was going to refuse watching Iljimae, lol. Can't believe I was about to miss one of greatest drama.
But Hong Gil Dong was a good drama, that even I got to say. I do enjoy the mixed genre drama.
Oh, also is that where your avatar come from?
I can't tell which one bother me far more, unanswered questions or sad ending. Hmm...although Iljimae's ending seem pretty clear, that is he's still alive and so are other people.
Hong Gil Dong was the first historical drama and it was almost the reason why I was going to refuse watching Iljimae, lol. Can't believe I was about to miss one of greatest drama.
But Hong Gil Dong was a good drama, that even I got to say. I do enjoy the mixed genre drama.
Oh, also is that where your avatar come from?
Well... Time between dog and wolf is quite sad coz main character sacrificed everything what he loved for revenge but when you watch it you don't have enough time to think about it coz the action is so fast there! So much suspense all the time. And there is also a love triangle. It has also some happy moments. All in one
If you will await ending like "and they live happily ever after..." you won't see that one. Well not precisely.. But is far more optimistic than that from Iljimae. Really. And you don't need to think "and what about this or that" coz they explain all in last ep. Ther is even a moment when I was shocked and I started to laugh. I was like "what? no way... how?, when? " and it's all about one baby
But I won't say anything more. Just watch it
I haven't seen A love to kill yet. My sister did and said is good but sad. Will think about it
As for me both - unanswered questions and sad endings. When it's much of one of these or even both at the end it's just make me regret that I watched that drama.
For me it was also clear that he survived. But I just couldn't resist from questions like "and what about his mother? will they meet? and bong soon? will they be together in the end or what?" and more and more...
If you will await ending like "and they live happily ever after..." you won't see that one. Well not precisely.. But is far more optimistic than that from Iljimae. Really. And you don't need to think "and what about this or that" coz they explain all in last ep. Ther is even a moment when I was shocked and I started to laugh. I was like "what? no way... how?, when? " and it's all about one baby
But I won't say anything more. Just watch it
I haven't seen A love to kill yet. My sister did and said is good but sad. Will think about it
As for me both - unanswered questions and sad endings. When it's much of one of these or even both at the end it's just make me regret that I watched that drama.
For me it was also clear that he survived. But I just couldn't resist from questions like "and what about his mother? will they meet? and bong soon? will they be together in the end or what?" and more and more...
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Ok, I will give that series a chance. That does sound a bit like Iljimae because it's also sad when you think of what the character had to go through. Watching those closest to him dies in front of his eye or for his sake in the series.
Interesting, I haven't thought about those questions. I am just happy that he's alive that I forgot that there's still another issues that needed answers. Oh well, I guess what's important is different for every fan. Who's alive is clearly on the top of my list. ^^ Who'd want to see a handsome guy dies in front of your eyes?
Interesting, I haven't thought about those questions. I am just happy that he's alive that I forgot that there's still another issues that needed answers. Oh well, I guess what's important is different for every fan. Who's alive is clearly on the top of my list. ^^ Who'd want to see a handsome guy dies in front of your eyes?
Well as far as I know he dies in one of his movies. And that's why I haven't watched it yet.
It's called May 18 or so...
I always have a lot of questions after I watch something. No,not always. I BECAME like that after I started to watch asian cinema where you must look for deeper meaning in characters actions and dialogues to understand things better.
It's called May 18 or so...
I always have a lot of questions after I watch something. No,not always. I BECAME like that after I started to watch asian cinema where you must look for deeper meaning in characters actions and dialogues to understand things better.
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Ok, that's good. I am going to watch one of his movie and that wasn't the name of the movie so far.
Whew...Although that means I have already figured out the end because one of his movie was about whether he will live or not.
True...especially in the movies. Drama don't do that much to me though. Maybe because I usually watch simple Asian drama most of the time.
Whew...Although that means I have already figured out the end because one of his movie was about whether he will live or not.
True...especially in the movies. Drama don't do that much to me though. Maybe because I usually watch simple Asian drama most of the time.
I must say that I loved Fly Daddy Fly. Nice story with happy ending And there Lee Moon Shik plays with Junki. And he has all teeth there
And May 18 is also called "Hwaryeohan hyuga" "Splendid Holiday" or "Remember U 518"
Hehe... So we are in the same situation coz I haven't watch this movie yet. I heard that he died
I'm dl it at the moment so will find it soon
And May 18 is also called "Hwaryeohan hyuga" "Splendid Holiday" or "Remember U 518"
Hehe... So we are in the same situation coz I haven't watch this movie yet. I heard that he died
I'm dl it at the moment so will find it soon
I just wanted to say that iljimae did not kill anyone, he could have...but killing is not as easy as just saying. You can hurt people without killing them, and that is what iljimae did, also remember his sword has no edge therefore, he can't kill anyone because they can't get cut with it. In reality just killing easily and not thinking much about it is not that simple, especially if u are trying to do good. I understand no one can be pure good..no one is, however there are people who will never kill, no matter what! I LOVE ILJIMAE
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Yeah, that's why the scene about him throwing the objects confused me a bit. But I got it.
Sword without a edge can still kill, I think his master said something about this in one of ep where he trained Iljimae. That's only if Iljimae chose to, and he never did. So that's impressive. My view is pretty much like his, I don't believe in killing people even though they are a killer to start with ya know like death penalty or whatever. Not many people are like that, so that's why I enjoyed this show.
Silent, just let me know if that movie you are planning to watch is truly worth watching, lol. Maybe need a box of tissues just in case? Heh.
I am going to check Fly Daddy Fly as well. Thank you for bring it up. ^^
Sword without a edge can still kill, I think his master said something about this in one of ep where he trained Iljimae. That's only if Iljimae chose to, and he never did. So that's impressive. My view is pretty much like his, I don't believe in killing people even though they are a killer to start with ya know like death penalty or whatever. Not many people are like that, so that's why I enjoyed this show.
Silent, just let me know if that movie you are planning to watch is truly worth watching, lol. Maybe need a box of tissues just in case? Heh.
I am going to check Fly Daddy Fly as well. Thank you for bring it up. ^^
I agree with you one 100%........Finally a show where the hero is not a killer and revenge is taken but in a .....lets say sweet way!Silentwolfdog wrote:Yeah, that's why the scene about him throwing the objects confused me a bit. But I got it.
Sword without a edge can still kill, I think his master said something about this in one of ep where he trained Iljimae. That's only if Iljimae chose to, and he never did. So that's impressive. My view is pretty much like his, I don't believe in killing people even though they are a killer to start with ya know like death penalty or whatever. Not many people are like that, so that's why I enjoyed this show.
Silent, just let me know if that movie you are planning to watch is truly worth watching, lol. Maybe need a box of tissues just in case? Heh.
I am going to check Fly Daddy Fly as well. Thank you for bring it up. ^^
True!....Silent. wrote:People can kill each other even with a spoon so why not with a sword ^^
For me he didn't want to kill coz he knew that if he do that he will become just one of the people he despise.
Silentwolfdog, Sure I will tell.
And about the sword that he had with no edge...yup..he could have killed with that easily, but since the edge was un able to cut, it prevented him from slashing anyone, if he ever hit them with the edge. If it were sharp, when ever he slashed someone they could have gotten killed....basically killing is based on the persons heart...if it's in you no matter what the situation is...you can kill!
Hmm... Maybe not a sweet but more like a peaceful way4everU wrote:Finally a show where the hero is not a killer and revenge is taken but in a .....lets say sweet way!
I think that Kong He gave him that kind of sword also because he didn't want to make his life harder by thinking about unfortunately killed people in the battle.4everU wrote: And about the sword that he had with no edge...yup..he could have killed with that easily, but since the edge was un able to cut, it prevented him from slashing anyone, if he ever hit them with the edge. If it were sharp, when ever he slashed someone they could have gotten killed....basically killing is based on the persons heart...if it's in you no matter what the situation is...you can kill!
Yongee knew that this sword was only for defense so he could focus on his mission
It's not a bad movie. Sandglass gives a more balanced look at the Gwang-ju Massacre, and from afar, you can see how the movie was formed molded a "disaster movie" style. THAT said, from somebody who isn't Korean, it's visceral and horrifying. It's a little like the Pianist, in that the actual massacre is depicted matter of factly, and you feel terrified. Lee Jung Ki's character is one of the main protesters in it. I thought he was a touch hammy, but the movie really isn't about acting.Well as far as I know he dies in one of his movies. And that's why I haven't watched it yet. Big Smile
It's called May 18 or so...
Yeah, it's not actually not a fair comparison, because neither Iljimae nor Hong Gil Dong closely follow the original source material. One of Iljimae's inspirations was Hong Gil Dong -- again worth noting that HGD is a classic Korean novel, and Iljimae started out as a comic -- but in the original story, Iljimae was also an androgynous courtesan (ironically, Lee Jung Ki DIDN'T want to play that) and that was how he was able to infiltrate the noblesse. Another thing -- the general audience already knows that Iljimae probably won't die. It would be like doing a movie where Robin Hood or Batman gets killed, you would be seriously deviating from the cannon.Because people compared Iljimae to Hong Gil Dong I think I will watch it soon
belleza wrote: in the original story, Iljimae was also an androgynous courtesan (ironically, Lee Jung Ki DIDN'T want to play that) and that was how he was able to infiltrate the noblesse.
OMG! Really?! Didn't know that... Androgynous courtesan... Shock... Do you know where I can read this manga on line or from where I can dl it?
And if I was Junki I wouldn't agree to that kind of role too
Mm hmm. I definitely can't see Junki playing a beautiful, female-ish character. Oh wait . . . ;) (Actually, Sevenses points out that, at the end of episode 20, there's a pile of books that translates to "Love of Dog and Wolf", "the King and the Woman", etc.)And if I was Junki I wouldn't agree to that kind of role too
I think, more or less, when Jun Ki was cast in Iljimae over Jo Ji Hoon, the producers remade the story into a Jun Ki star vehicle. He himself said that they wanted to redo Iljimae as a larger than life, national hero sort of character (think Jumong, think Batman, think Time of Dog and Wolf.) Now, you could argue that Iljimae is more like the Hong Gil Dong of canon, whereas the 2008 Hong Gil Dong is more like what Iljimae ought to have been. From what I read, the only aspects that were really consistent wit the Iljimae story is his "I Can Steal Anything in the World!" catchphrase and the flower. Most everything else was new.
Actually I'd like to know myself (though the manhwa dates from the 70s.) The producers of the MBC Iljimae bought the actual rights to the books, so presumably we'll see a true adaptation of the original work.. Do you know where I can read this manga on line or from where I can dl it?
Though uhhh, in a dress, Lee Jung Ki > Jung Il Woo
I also feel that the ending was kinda rushed leaving lots of things unexplained... and i think that they tried too hard to make it similar to HGD but ended up missing important things.
I personally think that Shi Ho rescued Yongee and found him a place to hide and kept it a secret between them. That would explain the scene were he says that he is keeping the bloodletter for the sake of the ones his brother wanted to protect.
Kong He would be living in hiding together with Boon Son in that island and Boon Son knowing that Yongee was still alive went back to find him. A very sad and pitiful ending for Boon Son.... loosing her family because of Geom, being rescued by the one that killed them and not being able to take revenge, falling in love with Younge without knowing his identity as Iljimae, sacrificing herself and end up crippled to protect him and after all that she ends up stuck with her father in hiding without being able to be with Younge.
I guess that everyone knew to a certain point that Younge wasnt dead but woudnt go looking for him since he was still being chased by that crazy king.
I personally think that Shi Ho rescued Yongee and found him a place to hide and kept it a secret between them. That would explain the scene were he says that he is keeping the bloodletter for the sake of the ones his brother wanted to protect.
Kong He would be living in hiding together with Boon Son in that island and Boon Son knowing that Yongee was still alive went back to find him. A very sad and pitiful ending for Boon Son.... loosing her family because of Geom, being rescued by the one that killed them and not being able to take revenge, falling in love with Younge without knowing his identity as Iljimae, sacrificing herself and end up crippled to protect him and after all that she ends up stuck with her father in hiding without being able to be with Younge.
I guess that everyone knew to a certain point that Younge wasnt dead but woudnt go looking for him since he was still being chased by that crazy king.
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What the real ending of " Iljimae" ?
The ending is a bit confusing...but you have not to worry...so if you haven't see all the drama yet, do not read it...because it will ruin the end, and the hole story! Its is realy a awesome drama so watch it ...after seeing it and you to not get the ending I am reviling the end...
Iljimae is killed, but at last scenes and you focused at the drama you will see that the killer, hit Iljimae with Iljimae-sword, the sword that it blades doesn't cut ...remember his "teacher" given him and telling him it is not for killing...but to protect...also in all the drama nobody caught cut by that sword... So he could not be dead, after all the scene that we see at the begin is after his death, cause if you look closer he has new weapon added, the bow at his hand...that sth he did not own before...
Yeah I was wrong The child is not Iljimae, but his none-biological parents...
Also "The Return of Iljimae" that will be start jan-2009, will be palyed by the actor Jung Il Woo...
Plus it is not broad casted at Sbs, but it based at the manga cause it is authorized...
Iljimae is killed, but at last scenes and you focused at the drama you will see that the killer, hit Iljimae with Iljimae-sword, the sword that it blades doesn't cut ...remember his "teacher" given him and telling him it is not for killing...but to protect...also in all the drama nobody caught cut by that sword... So he could not be dead, after all the scene that we see at the begin is after his death, cause if you look closer he has new weapon added, the bow at his hand...that sth he did not own before...
Yeah I was wrong The child is not Iljimae, but his none-biological parents...
Also "The Return of Iljimae" that will be start jan-2009, will be palyed by the actor Jung Il Woo...
Plus it is not broad casted at Sbs, but it based at the manga cause it is authorized...
I'm gonna stick with my theory that it's was intended to be an ambiguous ending. Though the sword wasn't meant for killing, they did also say that if can kill if that is your intention.
What it comes down to is what you want to believe, and I don't just mean personally for the audience. For the citizens existing at that oppressive time, they speak about him as a folk hero and they want to either believe that he is still alive or give others the impression that he is still alive. However, the final episode shows a conflict such that everything sounds like second-hand knowledge. It's like, "I heard from a guy who said..." No one who should have certain knowledge outright said anything.
But as for a more personal opinion, I would say that there would be no way that the assassin could have messed up what appears to be an easy kill unless he really wasn't trying. Seriously, as much as I want to believe he's still alive, if you leave me to decipher the ending myself, I have to say there's a certain finality in the last strike that would make it improbable that he could have survived.
What it comes down to is what you want to believe, and I don't just mean personally for the audience. For the citizens existing at that oppressive time, they speak about him as a folk hero and they want to either believe that he is still alive or give others the impression that he is still alive. However, the final episode shows a conflict such that everything sounds like second-hand knowledge. It's like, "I heard from a guy who said..." No one who should have certain knowledge outright said anything.
But as for a more personal opinion, I would say that there would be no way that the assassin could have messed up what appears to be an easy kill unless he really wasn't trying. Seriously, as much as I want to believe he's still alive, if you leave me to decipher the ending myself, I have to say there's a certain finality in the last strike that would make it improbable that he could have survived.
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