East of Eden (MBC, 2008) Song Seung Hun, Lee Da Hae

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Post by kim_calvz » Oct 9th, '08, 08:17

as always I am hooked with this drama; because of the story especially Lee Da-Hae and damn very adorable Song Seong-Heon.

yes; the story nowadays is kinda complex but still for me its interesting;

about the performances for all the main actors here

for me the worst performance so far is Lee Yeon-Hee(sorry for all the supporters of her)
damn i can't feel any emotion towards to her character. and look at her eyes;lack of emotion. every time she opens her mouth damn i want to skip the scene(but i cant)and her voice is @#$!' irritating, i am not anti-Lee Yeon-Hee, i just base on her performance in this drama

this is my rank for their performance scale 10-1

Song Seung Heun - 7.5
Lee Da-Hae -7
Yong Jung-Hoon- 5
Han Ji-Hye- 6.5
Park Hye-Jin- 9 (i did not expect he will delivered his character well,pretty good for him)


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i've read some of your comments to.................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? i forgot the site
you said that you were a big fan of Lee Da-Hae?


:D


don't worry i will give you an update on Lee Da-Hae and Song Seung-Heon's
story;i think the story between them will be focused in episode 20 or something?
Lets just wait and see whats gonna happen!!

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Post by tourette » Oct 9th, '08, 09:38

belleza,

i watched ep12 now and the fall continues.
EoE is, indeed, deeply anchored in greek tragedy. the characters are bold and shades aren't welcome. but, if intellectualization of the show makes its point understandable, unfortunately, it doesn't make it more watchable. it's like reading some The Wire's articles where the review is more exciting than the music it actually reviews (i make myself a hellish lawyer here). i don't really dislike the story but its treatment on screen, the process, the directing. in that, ep12 is even more pitiful.
but, i have to admit that the cultural gap between that show and me is huge. i always had trouble with the concept of Fate but i usually don't mind in scripts. i used to think of it has a joker notion that scriptwriters would use (in contemporary stories) when they want their characters to go in a way that is not understandable in today's standard. a suitable concept for script's flaws. i am, of course, wrong but it is just to make the point that EoE is all about Fate and that is probably why its story sounds so weird to me and cannot reach me. belleza, you speak about Ji-Hyun who has to marry the Shin family or die. that Fate string is beyond my understanding. the end of ep12 was a real pain to watch for me just because i seriously cannot pass through that conceptual wall. i was like did i miss something at the beginning of the show ?, is there a logical explanation about that point somewhere earlier?. if yes, sorry to bother. but there, Yang Chun-Hee, one of the rare character i found a bit realistic, turned cheap, plastic.
what i feel sorry for is that you don't necessarily need to summon Fate to tell a story about wicked family ties. watch for proof the wonderful korean movie Family Ties which tells everything EoE wants and more.
i know its pointless to discuss about that since Fate is all EoE is about (just have to read first line of the dramawiki sinopsis) but still...
to finish, i am currently watching Jumong; another show dealing heavily with Fate. though the story cannot be more linked to the concept, there, it doesn't burden the flow of the characters' developpments, actions, etc. and i don't have that WTF??? feeling.
... i shouldn't end my post that way but my coffee is now cold and i need a refill.

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Post by belleza » Oct 9th, '08, 20:47

EoE is, indeed, deeply anchored in greek tragedy. the characters are bold and shades aren't welcome.
Actually the show that's most currently anchored in greek-style tragedy is definitely Kingdom of the Winds. You have inevitable prophecy; you have intrigue between nation states with an ephemeral whiff of Chaos and the Fates torturing the King. It's mighty entertaining stuff!
i used to think of it has a joker notion that scriptwriters would use (in contemporary stories) when they want their characters to go in a way that is not understandable in today's standard.
Yes, it's a classic weakness with scriptwriting, because it says that there isn't sufficient groundwork in character development to lead to the desired outcome. And to a degree, it enables the scripwriters to throw in a lot of plot details without actually materializing a compelling dialectic. But I guess it's something that I expect with most K-drama. You already know what will end up with who, and you know that this core belief of "They are meant to Be" presupposes the plot. In other words, we already know the writers intend to bring those two people together; we already know that it may take random acts of emotional torture to do it. Because we already know the resolution, we tend to watch the relationship in a kind of retrospect; viewing things from the past is a detail gathering activity. It is to say "ah, okay. she's xxxxx. the writer decided it as such. that is how they get together."

K-drama is like pro wrestling when you think about it. To a degree, if you read most K-drama blogs that recap, that "as a" paradigm is what they implicitly take. We all know who gets there; through synopsis, we all have a basic idea of how they will get together; we all accept that the story is merely a set of plot points that, upon our lovely couple finds enough details to realize "wow, she/he is the person that I meant to be." Although execution of the basic plot is still important and originality is still valued, the process of recapping (or enjoying a trendy drama in close-up) is a really an act of enjoying the scenery and the people and the little things as you get there. But it can defeat the sense that there are unique themes substantiated by character development, since all the oppositional elements can be resolved by merely finding out enough information.

With that said, East of Eden has been engaging to me because I don't have a strong idea how this story is going to go for many of the characteres. When go through episode 14, there is a time jump and you can tell that circumstances between people have changed. Certain people become more powerful (and comfortable.) Certain people become happier in their stead.
d of ep12 was a real pain to watch for me just because i seriously cannot pass through that conceptual wall. i was like did i miss something at the beginning of the show ?, is there a logical explanation about that point somewhere earlier?.
Nah, that there was no real logical explanation. She was . . .
carrying his child, a standard soap device. She could have had that abortion, but the point here is that the child plot device is more or less an excuse to bring them together. If it wasn't for that, she would have ended up him anyway. The romantic triangle was already a fatal attraction, and as you go through episode 13+14, the most poignant regret from Dong Wook is that he couldn't save her from Myung-hun's obsessions and dark, dark world. Myung-hung himself is a tragic character, not merely because of the mistake of his birth, but that in almost every scene, we see a character whose decency and humanity was pulverized out of him from his father, and in that stead, we have a young man who's barely, barely comfortable in his own skin. This unrelieved, cruel man who, in almost every moment of his life, acts as if his father is looking over his shoulder, ready to beat him again.
but there, Yang Chun-Hee, one of the rare character i found a bit realistic, turned cheap, plastic.
Yeah, it's unfortunate; she's become a parody of the mean (but really loving . . but then again really LOUD) ajuhmma. That said, I loved the extended sequence between Chun-Hee and Dong Chul in the house. Also, by episode 14, you also become more aware of how their village is starting to develop into a modern town and how Chun-hee's life has changed with it. I guess I have a soft spot for that because it makes me think of my grandparents.
what i feel sorry for is that you don't necessarily need to summon Fate to tell a story about wicked family ties. watch for proof the wonderful korean movie Family Ties which tells everything EoE wants and more.
Yeah, but EofE is a soap opera, whereas Family Ties is a proper character study about complex familial relationships. Most Korean (and Chiense) TV are soaps. This one has guns, but it still adheres to the formula of the serial melodrama.
to finish, i am currently watching Jumong; another show dealing heavily with Fate. though the story cannot be more linked to the concept, there, it doesn't burden the flow of the characters' developpments, actions, etc. and i don't have that WTF??? feeling.
Ahh, well the Fate used there is merely a foreshadowing device that discusses the outcome (which we all kinda know anyway) without laying out the map. Most of Jumong is a standard coming-of-age narrative; callow prince learns lessons, gainst friends, earns victories, becomes King of the World. The appeal of the show is in watching our willful male protoganist work his way up, in role playing game style, to some Really Awesome Battle Sequences and some Really Cool Battle Music. Jumong's dream is to be the best that He can be. Awesome!!

Iljimae is like that too, though more baldly so as it doesn't attempt any any history lesson in any place. Kingdom of the Winds works beautifully as a kind of Jumong sequel, because the narrative specifically deals with Prodigal Son.

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Post by Nyar Nyar » Oct 10th, '08, 02:29

Hello Kim,

Kumbansumitha! for your continuous kindness.

Have tried to pop in your youtube site, but it's not succeed. As told, some of the webs are banned (here).

Relation to Lee Yon Hee, me too, I only adore her in "One FIne Day" not to the leading actress(Sun Yuri). Here in this drama,(sometimes I am too personalize) my fav; is Da Hae. Yes, I like Da Hae (since lotus flower fairy, not in My Girl,I'am different from others).

So, I really hope Song & Da Hae will surely end up together. Am I too greedy?Hee Hee

By the way, as you said if Da Hae & Song will meet up more in Ep. 20, as requested before, could you pls. download some pic; of their sweet scene(if it has).

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar
ps. Kim , below here are my fav; series(Just watch). Not sure if you have the same sense too.

Joon Ji Hoon in The Devil
Lee Jun Ki in Time btwn Dog & Wolf
Kang Ji Hwan in Be Strong Gum Sun.
Han he jin in Be Strong Gum sun & Jumong
Yun Eun Hye in the vineyard man
...................................etc..

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Post by tourette » Oct 10th, '08, 17:02

Jumong's dream is to be the best that He can be. Awesome!!
ahaha! i can't think of any better focus than that one! something similar should be written upon each school entrance and over boys' bed. thanks to Jumong, now i know what i have to fulfill.

now about EoE,
East of Eden has been engaging to me because I don't have a strong idea how this story is going to go for many of the characteres. When go through episode 14, there is a time jump and you can tell that circumstances between people have changed. Certain people become more powerful (and comfortable.) Certain people become happier in their stead.
well, so far, from the tone of the drama, if you cannot really tell about the 35 more episodes plot, with half of the characters aiming on revenge, and the other half on becoming more "powerful", the actual developpment seems to focus on destruction. it could look more and more like a Jan Svankmajer piece.

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Post by maakopla » Oct 11th, '08, 22:40

I finally found some time to catch up with this show ep 3-6. After pretty boring and overly melodramatic beginning it has gotten better, no doubts. But I still think it does NOT deserve the high ratings it's getting. They cry in every episode.
In the beginning it was awfully boring... they started mourning before Lee Gi Chul's death, they cried after he died and after that in every episode. Even now. I'm not that disappointed with acting but I am really disappointed in screenwriting. The plot seems ridiculous, it's too dramatic, too emotional at wrong moments and too boring. For example episode 3 was stupid, nothing actually happened in whole episode <_< that fire thing was absolutely exaggerated. I can't believe Dong Chul's mother's attitude. Ok, so he started the fire so what? Shin Tae Hwan absolutely deserved it. Maybe he did wrong but does she have to start hating him right away and label him as a gangster?!!

What I liked about ep 3 and 4 were Dong Wook and Myung Hun. (Though I didn't like Won Duk Hyun) These little guys absolutely described their father's when they were kids. Dong Wook was fierce and constantly thought about revenge or rather harming Tae Hwan while Myung Hun only wanted to be friends with everyone. Later when they grew up I could see that their parent's propaganda had changed them into what they should be. Yun Jung Hoon is too old for the role, no matter how young they make him look he is just too old. I can see and feel from him that he knows too much about life. Though I really love his gentle aura. He always speaks softly and has that incredibly lovable light in his eyes. He is too nice.

From the very start I didn't respect Tae Hwan as a villain because he just wasn't bad enough, he didn't have that evil look in his eyes. But my hatred toward him grew a bit after I saw how he tried to live trough his son, forcing him do this and that. I pity Myung Hun a lot. He was never strong enough to oppose his father or stand on his own. Later its' so obvious that he just weak and doesn't know which way to turn. Since childhood he had done whatever his father told him so now he becomes bad only because he doesn't know how to go against Tae Hwan. Thanks a lot dude, you just have corrupted your son's life. I really like Park Hae Jin, yeah he looks good and he looks mean. But more than anything I wish he wouldn't have been bad if he only could become good.

Dong Chul getting in the prison and all that stuff was exciting since it was finally time for action (instead of crying). But after he escaped things happened so fast. I didn't have time to get to know other characters. some things that happened were weird. I mean, what's that treasure hunting? Then this guy betrayed everyone and there was another bad guy and then that gangster dude (was his name Wang Geon?) suddenly went to work for Tae Hwan because he had some childish grudge against Dong Chul. At first I thought it was his plot to avenge in Dong Chul's place but then I noticed he was seriously mad at Dong Chul. For what? Yeah, maybe he had to leave in order to protect his family and he was forced to do so anyways. Any sane person would think about these possibilities.

Suddenly Dong Chul was good at fighting? wtf. No the stupidest thing ever was Don Chul's expression when he entered the casino "oh, they are playing with cards. This looks so fun I wanna try it too" he was like a little kid. Then I dunno how and why but suddenly he was soooo good with cards that it was supposed to be amazing. He even changed his hairdo and started looking more gangster... This all just suddenly happened like one scene ended and then he was so amazingly good at playing cards. Man, some ppl have to practise it for years!!

Then let's move on. What else. So he ended up at Macao place and was left all alone. He didn't even know the language. But then there is this time jump, the viewer just has to guess that it's been like about 3 years. How did Dong Chul survive? Suddenly he was working and had "family" and stuff and I was never told how he got friends + the ppl who are supposed to be Vietnamese speak Chinese... That reminded me of his bad ass boss who wears kung fu shirt and uses some stinky rope as a whip and I bet he thinks "I'm a real bad ass, I speak bad Chinese but I can rule all these Vietnamese ppl who for some reason speak Chinese. Yeah, I'm so damn cool." Dong Chul seems to be doing ok. At that time Tae Hwan is acting stupid. He wants too much too soon. He has made all possible mistakes and is still alive. I'm surprised. The man has no shame.

President Gok is so cool. At first I thought his character was too weird, in fact, I still think so. He is like from some other era. Or maybe he became crazy after he noticed how rich he actually is? I dunno... So far he seems like a good character and I'd like him to stay so. I'm looking forward to his cooperation with Dong Chul.
shortly about acting:

I really liked Kim Bum's acting. At first I was like. so lame <_< some young unexperienced actor who cares. But then he managed to win me over. Now I kinda miss him. His acting was.. how to say... spicy enough xD

Han Ji Hye sucks. I hate her and I hate her character. Ji Hye is just worthless scrybaby who acts like a spoiled kid. She always keeps saying hwo she cannot live without Dong Wook. Well guess what?!! Before declaring your undying love do something about Myung Hun!!!!! Seriously, she cannot stand for herself at all. Even though she hates Myung Hun she still cannot express it well enough. I wonder how come Dong Wook loves her so much?! She is so damn weak, petite princess.

So I finally saw the rumored sexy and hot hunk Song Seung Hun. What to say. I think I like him so far. Though he has very few different expressions as if he doesn't know any more. But he looks good so maybe that's why I like him xD I'm so superficial. I dunno, I like his eyes. So big and lovely <3 I also like Dong Chul's character. I know it's kinda cliche character that only thinks about other's happiness and keeps all sorrow to himself.

Dennis Oh fianlly arrived at the scene. YAY! He seemed really stiff at frst but then I got used to him. Dunno, he is not important and his acting is ok so I like him. Besides I liked how he became freinds with Dong Chul. I wanna se them become even better friends.

Lee Yeon Hee. I love her. For some reason I just cannot help but love her. There is something absolutely lovable about her. I regard her as a good actress and I think she delivers her role very well. I also liek her character. So innocent and stupid.
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Post by kim_calvz » Oct 15th, '08, 01:54

Hello Nyar Nyar

sorry for my late response!
i don't know how to post pictures here!
do you have any idea how to post pictures?so that i can show you some pictures of Lee-dong-chul and Myin hye-rin pictures taken form their scene!


for me korean drama as of now are:

hello!my lady Lee Da-hae and Lee Ji-hoon
iljimae Lee Jun-ki and Han Hyo-joo
three dad with one mom Eugene and Jae-hee

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Post by maakopla » Oct 15th, '08, 07:44

No surprises so far. Everything going on as I expected. Some Chinese speaking Vietnamese guys wanted to blow up the restaurant for an unknown reason and suddenly Mike has to sign some contract... but luckily Dong Chul saves him and Grace because those stupid gangsters mentioned their blowing up plan because they were so mad about losing at the casino. yeah... really intelligent screenwriting...

Now I have one question. Why the h*ll is Dong Chul so sweaty all the time? He's always so wet as if he had just come from a shower. That does not make him more sexy at all, more like disgusting.

I understand Dong Chul was proud of his brother but... that phone call was over the top. He called his brother and instead of asking "how are you" he just shouts "DONG WOOK" what's to make Dong Wook deaf. Dong Wook is only able to whisper "Hyung..." They act like some lame lovers with that overly tragic music on the background. The scene was just too much!

I know that it was a big deal for Lee family that Dong Wook got into the Uni but was it really so big that he had to be interviewed in tv? Really? Every year someone gets in the Uni as the best so do they make that big commotion every year? I don't think so. A magazine interview should have been enough and not as the first page article. and what's with in the middle of the night? How did reporters find out before Dong Wook?! I guess ppl were happy in the willage too so a party was something I would have expected. But just a party... instead they made it look like some illegal gathering.

I think Myung Hun looks like his mother. I feel like he definitely got his mother's nature. Not giving up. Unfortunatley he seems to have gotten his father's stupidity He is kinda stupid and rash with his actons. Again, thanks to Tae Hwan.

I'm kind of sick of Lee family hatred. They keep saying "Tae Hwan killed my dad/husband". They just keep repeating it everywhere they go. Its' about the time to do something... I remember in ep 3 or 4 when Myung Hun came to say hello to Dong Chul, Dong Wook and the mother they were really mean to him. Why do they blame Myung hun? He is just a son, he has nothing to do with it. Of course he wants to believe his own father more than some strangers. I also remember Chun Hee saying "the one who loses his temper first, loses" and then she immediately snapped at Myung Hun and his mother. I was like... okay. So you just admitted you lost? if I were Myung Hun I would slap every single member in the family. From the very start he only wanted to be friends but they kept badmouthing him. No wonder he hates them now!

I think that Grace and dong Chul have good chemistry. I'm totally rooting for them more than anything. But based on some posters it really looks like love triangle between Dong Chul, Hye Rin and Dong Wook... eh, I don't wanna see that. I just hope it only looks like it.

I never expected seeing nurse here and now. I was just wondering what happened to her and there she was before my eyes. I'm dying to know how she managed to climb so high. It's a pity that ATe Hwan jerk didn't meet her. I hope she will soon find out about Dong Chul's identity. Actually I was thinking about the truth. What would it do to Chun Hee? Her character is so strongly against Tae Hwan's family. I think the truth would break her into pieces. Maybe in the worst case she would die or something.

Another thing put of the blue. So Dong Wook went to school and there was suddenly a strike. WHT?! Why? I have no words for this. They just add strike without explaining why? Without showing who's involved, who's the leader, hwo was it planned etc. And finally Lee Dan Hee appeared. She totally seems like a character who's strong outside but weak inside. I'm waiting for her burst in teras any moment. Her acting was ok, I like her attitude so far.

Suddenly there was a marriage meeting. WHT?! I thought President Guk didn't like Tae Hwan... So why even hold some pointless marriage meeting then? And what happened after the meeting... It's like raping Myung Hun. It was SO mean from Tae Hwan and I really don't understand why he had to do it?!!! I think it's time for Myung Hun to wake up and finally understand that his father is not a nice guy.

I really don't get what's the big deal about using connections. They were talking about it whole episode. Since when did Dong Wook become so righteous? He if someone should know that in the world it's not possible to live abiding to the law because ugly bastards who only think about themselves make the law. When in ep 2 or 3 Chun Hee went to receive the money from Tae Hwan she burned it. WHAT?! She could have used it and made Dong Chul and Dong Wook into outstanding men and who would then avenge their father. Then they could say "It's your dirty money that made you into nothing"

The whoel kidnapping situation was so stupid. Why did they kidnap her? Tae Hwan is really childish. Let's make Dong Chul into a murdered. Then what?! I think Garce and Dong Chul have great chemistry but I really can't tell what he is thinking, at all.

The mother is slowly turning into one loud and annoying ahjumma. It's as if she hasn't changed a bit since the beginning.
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Post by belleza » Oct 15th, '08, 18:58

@maakopla,
[QUOTE}Now I have one question. Why the h*ll is Dong Chul so sweaty all the time? He's always so wet as if he had just come from a shower. That does not make him more sexy at all, more like disgusting.[/QUOTE]

Macao is really, really humid. Hot tropic storms and al lthat. You sweat ALL the time there (and in Taiwan, Japan, etc. in the summer time. Y-uck-y)
They act like some lame lovers with that overly tragic music on the background. The scene was just too much!
HYUN!! DONG WOOK!! HYUN!! DONG WOOK!!

Yup, it was awesome(ly bad.) Not since the Three Bears dance has a performance brought me to tears like that! :D
I know that it was a big deal for Lee family that Dong Wook got into the Uni but was it really so big that he had to be interviewed in tv? Really?
Absolutely. Seoul Uni is the Harvard of Korea. It's not unreasonable for the local school to celebrate if "their kid" gets in, especially in a bleak mining village like theirs. It's a big, big deal. In the context of the drama, it's a HUGE deal in their village because Dong Wook is the son of their working class hero, and that it's hoped that Dong Wook would eventually come back and become their advocate against The Man/The Corporation.
I think Myung Hun looks like his mother. I feel like he definitely got his mother's nature. Not giving up. Unfortunatley he seems to have gotten his father's stupidity He is kinda stupid and rash with his actons. Again, thanks to Tae Hwan.
Absolutely. Dong Wook's grimace is much like his biological father. Myung Hun's hysteria and stare is much like his biological mother. Later in the show, you start to pick up that Myung Hun's mother (who in her ineffectuality has enabled her to remain neutral in show) has an instinctive concern for Dong Wook.
I think that Grace and dong Chul have good chemistry. I'm totally rooting for them more than anything. But based on some posters it really looks like love triangle between Dong Chul, Hye Rin and Dong Wook... eh, I don't wanna see that. I just hope it only looks like it.
Yeah, the promoted triangle will be between the Lee brothers over Hye Rin, that's the setup of the show. Most Netizens are hostile to Grace's slap-slap brattiness (Grace is also well acquainted with Hye Rin due to their fathers being friends) especially with Dong Chul. However, to me, it makes them interesting. Also, it gives them a beginning where their relationship (i.e. Grace's maturation) can develop in an interesting way. Up through episode 15, it looks like the feelings have become mutual (and Dong Chul's loneliness becomes more palpable), but her father forbids their relationship.

[QUOTE}I never expected seeing nurse here and now. I was just wondering what happened to her and there she was before my eyes. I'm dying to know how she managed to climb so high.[/QUOTE]

I still can't believe she didn't die after being left in a field after a caesarean. But are we sure the baby's really dead?
. So Dong Wook went to school and there was suddenly a strike. WHT?! Why? I have no words for this. They just add strike without explaining why?
That was the Gwang-ju Uprising, which occured in 1981. I thought it was well done.
So why even hold some pointless marriage meeting then? And what happened after the meeting... It's like raping Myung Hun.
It's the Chaebol life though, and it's not unusual even today. Tae Hwan and his married wife probably because her father wanted to secure the company to his best employee.

[QUOTE} Since when did Dong Wook become so righteous? He if someone should know that in the world it's not possible to live abiding to the law because ugly bastards who only think about themselves make the law. [/QUOTE]

But that is the difference between Dong Chul and Dong Wook. Dong Chul would go into the absolute gutter for the sake of his family, and yet he has a deep conscience (like his father) where he cannot find it in him to directly kill his most hated enemy. Dong Wook is intensely idealistic, and yet it is his rage (inherited from his biological father) that led to Dong Chul having to bail him out anyway. The characterization so far has held up.
The mother is slowly turning into one loud and annoying ahjumma. It's as if she hasn't changed a bit since the beginning.
By Episode 13-14, it becomes a sadder experience watching the mother. At that point, the story has moved onto the mid-80s and she looks frail and despairing (for good reason, you'll see what I mean when you get to that point.) What happens to her son Dong Wook is just brutal and sad.

Also, by episode 14-15, Ji Hyun becomes also a darker, sad character in her own right. Exceptional as a hostess at business functions and looking properly gorgeous in the latest clothes, she has been remade into the Perfect Chaebol Wife (which BTW plays to Han Ji Hye's status as a fashion template) . . . and exceptionally bitter. You can feel the hatred in her own heart for Dong Wook's mother and feel real, real sadness when she sees tragic, tragic Dong Wook in the newspaper.

There's a nicely executed scene at the end of episode 15, where Dong Chul and Ji Hyun (with her child) meet at the hospital. You can tell that Ji Hyun still sees Dong Chul as oppa and her eyes are a mix of shame and regret. At the same time, SSH nicely plays Dong Chul -- who at this point is powerful enough to be a legitimate threat to Tae Ran -- still warm (and bittersweet) regard for her. Old memories of old times, so to speak.

I really enjoy the scenes between SSH and Han Ji Hye. There was a lot of bad behind-the-scenes drama between them during the shooting of Summer Scent, but all the same, they would make a stunning couple onscreen.

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Post by fizzlex3mh » Oct 16th, '08, 01:27

I've watched 6 episodes and so far, I'm liking SSH a lot better than I thought I would (when did he get such a DEFINED six pack???). Really, he's not too bad. But Lee Da Hae, where are you?? Seriously, after that little rendezvous with Dennis and "Yao Ming" (WTF), I could kill for some good actors.

So this drama is like the ultimate cheesefest. There's also too much crying, some pretty horrible attempts at acting (watching Dennis Oh try to act very angry = ROFLMAO material) , and I think I've heard "Dong Wook Ah!" a few too many times. But the people are too beautiful. I can't stop watching.

Edit: Oh and are all the remaining episodes going to take place in Macau? I won't be able to stand watching more people butcher all sorts of different languages.

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Post by belleza » Oct 16th, '08, 01:46

I'm liking SSH a lot better than I thought I would (when did he get such a DEFINED six pack???)
Got Military? It does a body good. :D

SSH gets better and better as the show progresses. His laid-back decency (mixed with a lot of rage) gives the show -- which as you progress just oozes with hate, hate, hate -- its heart.
But Lee Da Hae, where are you??
LDH doesn't come in until the end of either episode 7 or 8 (where they do a recreation of the Gwang-ju student uprising.) It's a heck of an entrance.

LDH is not really a central, central character yet even through episode 16. This is BTW a good thing, because there's a lot of relationship messiness preceding it, between Lee Dong Chul and Da Brat (aka Grace), and Lee Don Wook and Tragic Crybaby Ji Hyun. Lee Dae Hae's character represents a clean break from the past.

There's been -- I believe -- 15-20 minutes at most time between LDH and SSH. In fact, when they meet, they kick in MiSa/"In The Mood For Love-type music. But, yeah, their chemistry is hot. They don't even really say all that much, but it's still fire. Fire!
Edit: Oh and are all the remaining episodes going to take place in Macau? I
It eventually goes back to Korea. There's another time jump coming

The show kinda reminds me of Illjimae, in that the show has big flaws and yet is pretty watchable and even fun if you can accept the show on its terms. And there's just the novelty that you simply don't see enough stories like this in any given year of K-drama.

If you view it as a Hong Kong-style action melodrama (with nods to All In and Sandglass), it works (though not as well as Time of Dog and Wolf does.) And in some respects, it improves on Green Rose and All In in how gritty the story gets in regards to casino/mafia dealings and just the general cynicism between the characters.

There's almost no light in this show, and there's very little that isn't dour. This is a good thing. Its adherence to that "hell to pay!" tone just maintains your suspension of belief.

As a side note, I really enjoy how the background of their village changes as it switches into the mid-80s. And Dennis Oh gets better. Okay, not really. :)

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Post by maakopla » Oct 16th, '08, 20:11

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Absolutely. Seoul Uni is the Harvard of Korea. It's not unreasonable for the local school to celebrate if "their kid" gets in, especially in a bleak mining village like theirs. It's a big, big deal. In the context of the drama, it's a HUGE deal in their village because Dong Wook is the son of their working class hero, and that it's hoped that Dong Wook would eventually come back and become their advocate against The Man/The Corporation.
I can understand the village but whole Seoul with TV intervievs and such. It just seemed so over the top.
Macao is really, really humid. Hot tropic storms and al lthat. You sweat ALL the time there (and in Taiwan, Japan, etc. in the summer time. Y-uck-y)
I know, maybe I'm being such an *ss for picking up these small things but why in the world SSH was the only one so sweaty all the time? Mike who wore a suit was far from sweaty.
That was the Gwang-ju Uprising, which occured in 1981. I thought it was well done.
I see, so these are dramas for only Korean people after all. I really know nothing about Korean history at all. At least I learned something.
It's the Chaebol life though, and it's not unusual even today. Tae Hwan and his married wife probably because her father wanted to secure the company to his best employee.
I know this very well but why did they have to hold that marriage meeting when it was obvious President Guk wouldn't hand his daughter over? It's not like they discussed anything important over there at all.
There's been -- I believe -- 15-20 minutes at most time between LDH and SSH. In fact, when they meet, they kick in MiSa/"In The Mood For Love-type music. But, yeah, their chemistry is hot. They don't even really say all that much, but it's still fire. Fire!
OH! I saw that as a total opposite. No chemistry at all in my eyes. Guess this is how different people interpret things xD

So episodes 10-12

Episode 10 was the most melodramatic since ep 2-3 and it was the most over the top than any episode before. It all starts with this lame "flying scene" ah, I'm at the verge of losing my hope. Back at the Korea there is this stupid kid who only thinks about his robot even though people around are fighting. I understand he is just a small boy but yeah, even a small kid can tell if something goes wrong. Then there were many boring hospital scenes with people just crying and crying and that scene when Dong Wook rushed to the boy's room with dramatic music on the background. I was like <_< just die already and get over with the funerals.

Somewhere else Myung Hun's crazy and obsessive and forceful love is driving him crazy. "That's my love" he says and orders men to imprison the woman he loves and torment her. "I love her" he still dares to say. He should listen to his mother more but no he won't. I was thinking if that's normal. A kid is going crazy but parents don't care. I still pity Myung Hun, he is broken. Ji Hyun doesn't help the situation one bit, she keeps shouting at him and telling him how disgusting he is. Why can't they talk it over normally. In a way I understand Ji Hyun's rage because Myung Hun is crazy but still. I'm not satisfied with thsi situation because Myung Hun is not actually that bad and wicked.


There is another lame phone conversation between Lee brothers... And finally Dong Chul decides to come back to Korea. This is what I have been waiting for. I'm not disappointed in him one but. So what if he becomes president Guk's dog? I'm very satisfied in fact, I like president Guk. At least he has power and together with Dong Chul's wrath toward Tae Hwan they can achieve quite a bit. I also enjoy quite a bit President Guk's and Garce's father-daughter relationship.

After Dong Wook got imprisoned I started hating Ji Hyun even more. What's the use of saying sorry anymore? She signed the papers and that's it. She betrayed him. And after that she can only cry and pity herself only. She is totally just a spoiled princess.

Hye Rin's hate toward her parents is not quite understandable. I know that I will learn about her more in the future but it's a bit annoying that they start with her hate without any explanations. Her dad seemed like a nice person anyways, though stupid. Her mother seemed very reasonable though. She acted like she should have acted in those situations. Life is not easy especially when you are surrounded with powerful people like that. You should alway think how you act, what you say and be careful. Hye Rin should know that too. And her way of requesting for something was very rude. She came to her parents to ask for help but while asking she used rude tone and mean words. Then her father suggest that his company may go into her hands but whats' her reaction? she tells him off? maybe there is a very reasonable reasons but it is hard to understand right now when I don't know any details. I know Hye Rin is mad because her parents kiss up to idiots like Tae Hwan but that's how things are. If you don't want to get into trouble then kiss up and try to survive.

In ep 12 Dong Chul and Hye Rin finally meet. Their meeiting was more dull than dull. No chemistry at all. I don't mean they should have fallen in love woth each other or anything but it was absolutley neutral. There was nothing! I so wanna Dong Chul x Grace relationship. Sh ecan be a bit childish at times but that only makes her more cute!

Brothers finally met. Their meeting was totally over the top. It was like from some lame play "Is that my brother's voice I'm hearing?" And then President Guk's comment "Turn on the lights for them" I was like Rolf! But before that when Dong Chul saw his brother being thrown out in the fields he did nothing. He knew that Dong Wook was injured and stuff so wouldn't it have been natural for him to rush to his brother?!

But the WORST!!!!!!!!!! Was the meeting of Dong Chul and his mother. 1. It was overly dramatic 2. Chun Hee's mother is actually lacks empathy!!! Rather than listening to her own son she listens to what Myung Hun (her enemy) has to say and believes him. Not Dong Chul. When he comes to her room all she can is to accuse him of things he never did and she never gave him time to explain himself either. "You did this and that and you dare to come back to me" That's more than rude, that's heartless. I refuse to understand here, this is my limit. No matter how soft her heart is I don't want to understand a mother who only believes in stranger's words and says "What other's will think of me now?" She never asked about the truth. I know she will later understand and say sorry but what's the use? It's gonna be too late anyways. Also getting mad and Dong Chul when he says he's gonna avenge his father with maybe illegal method. She Chun Hee if anyone should know that for poor people there is no law that can protect them. There is no way Dong Wook or Dong Chul could with Tae Hwan with help of the law only. I know I'm being such a gangster now but I wanna see dirty schemes so bad and all these righteous people are in the way.

Ji Hyun finally gives Dong Wook up. I have one questin. When did she have sex with Myung Hun? She cries and makes a big scen eout of everything. I feel like this because I don't really like the actress. She makes Ji Hyun seem annoying and stupid. I understand Ji Hyun feels wronged because she has been wronged. But she is being mean to Myung Hun too. Chun Hee doesn't help the situaton. She came to see Ji Hyun because of Dong Wook but had nothing good to say. What a heartless woman. I hate her.

I always enjoy when Dong Chul appears, though sometiems I just don't get the stuation. Suddenly he is a gang leader? When did he start working at the casino? Well, no matter what the bald guy should get in trouble soon. He is disgusting and annoying and President Guk should do something about him.
I think I will never be able to take this show seriously. But I will not give up. It's actually kinda fun to watch something with so much flaws. At least there are things to talk about xD And for some reaosn I like SSH a lot, even that loud and annoying ahjumma Chun Hee. I like her sister more, she is typical ahjumma too but I like that kinda hjummas.
I won't be able to stand watching more people butcher all sorts of different languages.
Although they leave Macau they won't stop bucher all sorts of different languages. In fact they will use their Engrish pretty much. Especially President Guk sounds awful but funny xD
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Post by belleza » Oct 16th, '08, 22:20

I can understand the village but whole Seoul with TV intervievs and such. It just seemed so over the top.
Perhaps now, but for a mining village, this was a big deal. I didn't think it was completely inplausible given that the majority of Korea was very, very poor and that Seoul Univerisity was a fairytale dream for most of them. Even now, getting into Seoul university from a small town would get you published in your local newspaper.
I know this very well but why did they have to hold that marriage meeting when it was obvious President Guk wouldn't hand his daughter over? It's not like they discussed anything important over there at all.
That's actually not all that not unusual even in real life among elite Asian families though. I didn't think otherwise, I guess, especially since this is when Korea had a very small wealthy class. It obviously would go nowhere but doing such was a social move to perhaps do business. It's not unusual for children to be used as such, and cynically I wonder whether most famous Korean actresses today enter marraiges with chaebols under similar circumstances.
I see, so these are dramas for only Korean people after all. I really know nothing about Korean history at all. At least I learned something.
Actually I thiink I was wrong about it covering the Gwang-ju massacre. I just assumed it was because the story took place in 1981, and student uprisings were cracked down extremely violentl by the military dictatordship. Just this incident was not tied to Gwang-ju. BTW, if you're interested in this piece of history, I recommend checking out the movie May 18th or the series Sandglass.
I was like <_< just die already and get over with the funerals.
Your compassion for children is truly worthy of Mother Theresa. :D But, yeah, you could tell the kid was going to be used to create more tears. This show is else nothing but a tear machine.
"That's my love" he says and orders men to imprison the woman he loves and torment her. "I love her" he still dares to say.
I thought it made sense given the history between the two boys and Ji Hyun. From his point of view, his feelings for her (what he qualifies as "love") is the only decent aspect left in his soul, which had been viciously beaten into a monster by his father. However, from our point of view, his feelings for Ji Hyun (what we see only as "obsession") reflect perhaps the most monstrous, evil aspect of his personality. From their childhood, Myung Hun had sought to please Ji Hyun, not only due to his feelings for her, but presumably because he truly believed -- due to their common birthdates -- that there is a substantial (blessed? cursed?) bond between him and her. And, well, between him and Dong Wook. As Myung Hun matured into the monster that his father created, this constant cycle of pleasing and being rejected between him and Ji Hyun naturally evolved as well into a dark, fatal attraction. That attraction motiviated him to become more cruel, more petty, more willing to make pacts with the devil to get what he covets, all along he blames his father or his circumstances for "forcing" him to do this. Ji Hyun's spirit was largely invested in trying to push him away even though he would never stop until he possessed her. Eventually she had to give up. Eventually, she would have to be pulled into his hell. I suppose the reasoning still seem farfetched, but it's within the tropes of melodrama.
So what if he becomes president Guk's dog? I'm very satisfied in fact, I like president Guk. At least he has power and together with Dong Chul's wrath toward Tae Hwan they can achieve quite a bit. I also enjoy quite a bit President Guk's and Garce's father-daughter relationship.
Mmm see that's the thing. As the show progresses, it's pretty clear that Dong Chul is one powerful guy within President Guk's organization. In effect, he is the one who actuall runs the casinos. Grace says that, naturally and hatefully, because she knows that as long as Dong Chul serves her father, she cannot be with him. It is forbidden. I do like how the writing enables Grace to lash out against him again and again for those reasons (because, by proxy, Dong Chul would also be Grace's dog as well.) Most people don't like them but I really enjoy their scenes together. She's a brat, but it's done on fairly realistic terms. What else can she do since she basically sees him all the time?
I don't mean they should have fallen in love woth each other or anything but it was absolutley neutral. There was nothing!
Oh I LOVED LOVED the awkwardness! Typically, in "first meet" K-drama scenes, you expect the strangers to immediately annoy or hate each other (much like Dong Chul and Grace's first meeting.) But here, they're exceedingly formal with each other, and they seem vaguely embarassed or shy around each other. This continues in the later episodes as well. The studied awkwardness between the two actors is awesome, it's as if to tell the audience that if they were to have just one real conversation, they would fall madly in love with each other, as their mutual presences are like two suns in the sky.
"You did this and that and you dare to come back to me" That's more than rude, that's heartless.
That scene played pretty well to a traditional Asian family though. From his mother's point of view, Dong Chul was her prodigal son who threw away his responsibility as the eldest. Yes, he did this to save his younger brother. Yes, deep inside, she knows that he tried his best to reconnect with and send money to his family. But, again, the act of shucking his responsibility as the eldest is DEEPLY DISGRACEFUL in traditional Asian family values. She doesn't say it, but if it mean sacrificing the younger brother, that's what he should have done because he is the man in the house. Also, from her point of view, both her sons have failed miserably to live up to her husband's example. But the failure is naturally greatest with the eldest. When early in the show, Dong Chul talks about dropping out in order to provide for Dong Wook, this sentiment was viewed as deeply disgraceful to his mother as well. Why? Because from her point of view, it is merely an excuse to shuck away his responsibility as the Man in the house, even though Dong Chul was probably right about the bleak circumstances. All of it is consistent with traditional Asian family values.
When did she have sex with Myung Hun? She cries and makes a big scen eout of everything.
Myung Hun is Korean Zeus? J/K. He forced himself on her. And at that time (actually in present Korea as well), that was not considered rape. We would interpret it as such.
Well, no matter what the bald guy should get in trouble soon. He is disgusting and annoying and President Guk should do something about him.
Oh I love baldy. That dude was GREAT in Jumong!! :D :D
I think I will never be able to take this show seriously. But I will not give up. It's actually kinda fun to watch something with so much flaws.
It's very watchable. :D All In is one of my favorite shows (and I like HK-style melodramas), and there are bits here and there that are done better in East of Eden. Also, the sheer hatred in this show keeps the plot moving along quite nicely.
Although they leave Macau they won't stop bucher all sorts of different languages. In fact they will use their Engrish pretty much.
No doubt. Later on, there's A LOT of Japanese spoken. Hopefully we'll get some Pinoy at some point, just to offend everybody. :D

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Post by maakopla » Oct 18th, '08, 18:51

@belleza
Perhaps now, but for a mining village, this was a big deal. I didn't think it was completely inplausible given that the majority of Korea was very, very poor and that Seoul Univerisity was a fairytale dream for most of them. Even now, getting into Seoul university from a small town would get you published in your local newspaper.
Yeah but he was interviewed in the news so it went nationwide or am I wrong? And they published it in country's newspaper on the first page. And reporters were so excited. Particularly that's what's eating me. But dunno, maybe at that time they were so excited every year or something.
That's actually not all that not unusual even in real life among elite Asian families though. I didn't think otherwise, I guess, especially since this is when Korea had a very small wealthy class. It obviously would go nowhere but doing such was a social move to perhaps do business. It's not unusual for children to be used as such, and cynically I wonder whether most famous Korean actresses today enter marraiges with chaebols under similar circumstances.
Yea, but n EoE their meeting wasn't important at all so I felt like it was just a miserable way of passing some time. We all knew very well that President Guk and Tae Hwan were enemies so ...
Most people don't like them but I really enjoy their scenes together. She's a brat, but it's done on fairly realistic terms. What else can she do since she basically sees him all the time?
Me too. I love their scenes and I like Grace the character and the actress.
Actually I thiink I was wrong about it covering the Gwang-ju massacre. I just assumed it was because the story took place in 1981, and student uprisings were cracked down extremely violentl by the military dictatordship. Just this incident was not tied to Gwang-ju. BTW, if you're interested in this piece of history, I recommend checking out the movie May 18th or the series Sandglass.
That's why I would have preferred some info before the thing happened so we could be sure what actually happened and didn't need to guess was it this or that.
This continues in the later episodes as well. The studied awkwardness between the two actors is awesome, it's as if to tell the audience that if they were to have just one real conversation, they would fall madly in love with each other, as their mutual presences are like two suns in the sky.
Maybe that's why I didn't like it. I don't like that madly falling in love from first sight thing at all.
Your compassion for children is truly worthy of Mother Theresa. But, yeah, you could tell the kid was going to be used to create more tears. This show is else nothing but a tear machine.
I know I'm heartless. lol. Its' not even funny BUT I just don't have any compassion for some stupid kid who was thinking only about his robot in the middle of the chaos which is very unrealistic and I didn't know much about him so he was just some kid for me. So why should I feel sad for someone I don't know? I think I will be murdered some day for my great compassion for people xD Though I would have felt sad for him if he got lost from his mother and felt scared and cried and then he would have suddenly died. And maybe if after the tent collapsing on him he would tried to shout for help or something. That would have made me go OMG!!! OH NO!!! POOR KID!!!
Myung Hun is Korean Zeus? J/K. He forced himself on her.
Yeah but when? If there would have been a proper scene but... I know he raped her but yeah, again it happened sometime we don't know. I presume just before she tried suicide?
That scene played pretty well to a traditional Asian family though. From his mother's point of view, Dong Chul was her prodigal son who threw away his responsibility as the eldest. Yes, he did this to save his younger brother. Yes, deep inside, she knows that he tried his best to reconnect with and send money to his family. But, again, the act of shucking his responsibility as the eldest is DEEPLY DISGRACEFUL in traditional Asian family values. She doesn't say it, but if it mean sacrificing the younger brother, that's what he should have done because he is the man in the house. Also, from her point of view, both her sons have failed miserably to live up to her husband's example. But the failure is naturally greatest with the eldest. When early in the show, Dong Chul talks about dropping out in order to provide for Dong Wook, this sentiment was viewed as deeply disgraceful to his mother as well. Why? Because from her point of view, it is merely an excuse to shuck away his responsibility as the Man in the house, even though Dong Chul was probably right about the bleak circumstances. All of it is consistent with traditional Asian family values.
Values or not. I understand Chun Hee but as I said before. He was still her son so... It was heartless man, heartless. I always think about things from my own perspective "if it was my son. If I was her" so I don't actually care about history and what was important and what not. Because even at that time I would have been the me anyways. Well but knowing Chun hee's personality it was expected. I'm still disappointed with her because she never listened to Dong Chul's side of story and that's he wanted to believe in the worst without asking him anything.
is the only decent aspect left in his soul, which had been viciously beaten into a monster by his father.
I still want to believe that he will turn into a good man alongside the show. I so wish for it.
All In is one of my favorite shows (and I like HK-style melodramas), and there are bits here and there that are done better in East of Eden. Also, the sheer hatred in this show keeps the plot moving along quite nicely.
All in was special in one thing. Everyone who was supposed to talk good English talked good English and acted okay, even main leads spoke pretty good English. I also like the first half of the show a lot. But it wasn't that much about gambling as I expected so <_< As you may guess I wanted the main guy be a bit worse. But second half turned ou to be a bit boring. The love relationship was kind of sparkless too. But All In was in all a good drama, great acting. For some reaosn I keep comparing All In and EoE all the time in my head and well EoE looks a loot better. I think All In reeked of low budget but dunno maybe that was glamorous at the time it was filmed. In EoE Dong Chul learned to play cards kind of suddenly, too fast and all by himself which was VERY unrealistic.
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I gotta say ep 13 was maybe the best episode so far. Finally some real action and excitement. I even found myself a bit excited! Dok Sa and other gang members were kinda cool. Rushing to President Guk with the ambulance, so clever. I liked graces attitude in this episode a lot. I think sh will be more than capable to take over President Guk's position though she is still a bit rash, I think she will learn with years. This made me think that maybe President Guk will die alongside the drama.

Then again every time when Lee brothers meet it's feels like some sappy scene from romantic series. I also noticed that Yun Jung Hoon absolutely doesn't know how to run. When he ran to Dong Chul it looked so stupid like a little kid who just learned to run. They hugged and went to drive with Dong Chul's motorbike and all kinda stuff a couple would do. I'm starting to suspect that the love triangle will turn in to something crazy. Dong Wook is not actually Dong Chul's biological brother... This is gonna be crazy xD

Hateful Ji Hyun finally made her decision. She still kept blaming Myung Hun all the way even though he seemed more than regretful. I know Ji Hyun has the right to be mad and all but how is Myung Hun's love wrong? He loves like Ji Hyun loves Dong wook (though his love is more wicked). And I am sure that Ji Hyun will be able to change him into better just by being with him (no matter if she hates him or not). Like she told Tae Hwan she married Myung Hun because she believed she had the power to stop the wrath between 2 families. I am eager to see that power. When I saw the wedding ceremony I was so sure that one day Ji Hyun will fall for Myung Hun. One day she will surely fall for him!! And when I saw that 3 years later scene I was a bit disappointed. Ji Hyun seemed happy. Of course she was like oh so shocked when she saw an article about Dong Wook yet still I could feel she had gotten used to her life and became happy.

Meeting between mother and son was very annoying again. Yeah, Chun Hee didn't know that Dong Chul actually begged those gangsters to pay the money but still she was too mean. I don't care how much her heart hurt after that! She knows that Dong Chul is trying his best yet she cannot accept him. Being righteous at times when money rule, it's just stupid. I was waiting for a comment like "I won't get my pay because you showed up here." I know that it's absolutely right what she is doing but still it annoys me. Such a righteous person. Why is a casino dirty place? Rich people like businessmen come there to play like little boys. Maybe the money they use is dirty but that's already too far fetched! Anyways. All these righteous people piss me off. I cannot believe there can exsist people like that with pure soul and all. I know that they should be good because everyone cannot be bad yet still it drives me crazy. It's just so damn annoying. There cannot be a person who's entirely good. But yea, this is just a drama series after all....

In episode 14 there was this sudden 3 years jump. It came too suddenly. I know that surprises are always nice and all but screenwriter should have at least prepared the viewer for it. I'm truly disappointed with the screenwriter overall. This drama is so full of melodrama and hate that it's already annoying, boring and tiring. East of Eden should be more of an action series. I want to see intelligent businessmen and rich families fight and PLOT!!! I want to see some dirty scheming bastards and not jsut some but a lot!!!!!!!! But everything till now has been like a child's play and kind of lame. Moreover the main focus seems to be on relationships. I have to say this time MBC has played it's cards right. I think they managed to win Ahjummas over (with all the melodrama).
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Post by Nyar Nyar » Oct 20th, '08, 05:08

Arnyiyarsaeyo!

I could not pop into this since last week as I had a long holidays.

Kumbunwa! for your kind & continuous update.

I also do not know how to post the picture in here. But once you reply the post to me, you can attach here(it's already give us the box to attach, I think so).

Anyyway, thanks for your kind effort though I cannot see your (another post) with attach file/picture of Song & Da Hae.

Hey, by the way, I have just watched Song’s Fate(co star with Kwan Sang Woo).
That’s the one which Song’s back from Military, Right? Song seems to be more manly & attractive than ever before.

And also I just finished Jun Ki’s Iijimae(Hee Hee.. Jun ki is also my fav one against others say he’s sometimes girly).

A little bit feel sad, Song & Jun ki died at the end of the seires.

Hello Miss is also my fav; one. Da Hae can act well with the leading man(Lee Jun Hoon?). & it’s a kinda comedy.

Okey, now where is our EOE by now, ep-20?

Warm Regards,
Nyarnyar

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Post by kim_calvz » Oct 20th, '08, 14:37

Nyar Nyar;

at first i don't like Song Seung-Heun; well i've seen his series(but not interested)

but then; after his military service, damn i regret that i used to dis-like him :D .....

about iljimae; we don't know if he is alive or not at the end of the story!!! its a big question mark there ? heheheh...........(korean drama has many twist and turn)hehehe


have you seen Buhuldang(Lee Da-Hae and Jang Jyuk)?
Lee Da-Hae deserves an award here!

'bout East of Eden

story 'bout Myin Hye-rin and Lee Dong-chul is still the same they are still unknown to each other!!!
lets see and wait. maybe the best for them is yet to come!

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Post by Nyar Nyar » Oct 21st, '08, 05:22

Oh! Kim , you've missed "Summer Scent" by Song. It's a nice one & yes, Song's previous series are nice but just sterotype(like all K-drama).

Heehee, like Jun Ki(totally different in Time Btwn Dog&Wolf from My Girl) & Joon Ji Hoon(from Goong to the Devil).Oh! they all are changed/turned into the good actor. Right?

I haven't seen LDG, JH "Roberry", some says it's boring.

Hey, don't you think we have the same thoughts/like in K-drama?

Well, let's continue for our EOE, some comments from Belleza, Song & LDH seems to be in good move in some epi;.(with ready to love music)Ha ha....

Okey, keep in touch!

Warm Rgds,Nyarnyar
p.s. Hey,Kim, I've tried to attach Song's old picture( Summer scent time) for you & you pls. also try it for me,Hm?
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Post by kim_calvz » Oct 24th, '08, 07:50

Nyar Nyar;

yah! i've tried it from time to time; but still i can't post pictures here! :-(

i like "Autumn Fairy tale" such a sad but touching love story(how about that?)
'bout "Buhaldang" some people said its kinda boring but for me i loved it!
i can't help my self not to cry!!!


do you want the soundtrack of East of Eden?

oh!damn i want Lee Dong-chul and Min Hye-rin be together!!!
i've seen your posted pictures love it!
how do you do that?

tell me if you have seen my posted pictures here
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Post by Nyar Nyar » Oct 24th, '08, 08:40

Yes, me, too.

I love him in "Autumn Tale" but more preferred him in "Summer Scent".

I also like to see more of Song & Da Hae lovely scene cause I've seen EOE posters & they are matched each other. Cannot wait, Um...

But thanks to you for your kind update of the sereis ep; by ep;. Now where is it?
Here is the steps which I attached the picture.
Once you click on the post reply to me, it will give you a box to attach picture.Then you can browse & attach from your folder.
Okey? Pls. pls. try some picture of Song & LDH for me?

Til now, can not see any picture in your msg.

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar

p.s Hey, by the way, I've seen in some reviews & said Jun Ki's girlfriend is Lee Hyo Ri. Is that true? Here's one of Jun Ki's photo for you. Like it?
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Post by Nyar Nyar » Oct 24th, '08, 08:44

Hi Kim,

Oh, now I've seen all your pictures.

Wow...that's great. Kumbanwa.

Yes, love to hear your ost...

Nyarnyar

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Post by maakopla » Oct 24th, '08, 11:52

Can you please stay on topic?
Now watching:
Korean: Witch´s romance. Triangle, Big Man, Gourmet

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Post by kim_calvz » Oct 25th, '08, 18:11

Nyar Nyar this is for you! :D
wow that' s great finally you've seen it!

notify me if you have seen my posted pictures or not
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Post by kim_calvz » Oct 25th, '08, 18:29

:D :D :D :D
Nyar Nyar tell me if you have seen this!
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Post by Nyar Nyar » Oct 27th, '08, 06:59

Dear Kim,

I will try & check it out.

Hey, as per Maakopla, where is our EOE now?

It reaches to the climax?

How about our two guys"Song & Da Hae?

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar
p.s Here again for you.It is the old one of Da Hae"Lotus flower fairy"
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Post by kim_calvz » Oct 27th, '08, 08:19

Nyar-Nyar;

hey sorry for my late update!!!but still nothing has change between Min Hye-rin and Lee Dong-chul.....they are still unknown to each other... :D ....but i think its getting closer and closer between the two of them....Min Hye-rin is going to be a lawyer now...and Lee Dong-chul will become one of the most promising business man...i think Lee Dong-chul's youger brother Lee Dong-wook is their hope to meet again. Because Min Hye-rin is in love with Lee Dong-chul and Lee Dong-wook is now falling to Min Hye-rin.....wow the love triangle seems ready to start......

'bout Lee Jun-ki my korean friend said it was true :-)

thanks for the picture love it!!!!

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Post by belleza » Oct 28th, '08, 19:13

Ah guys -- please put those updates in spoilers. I mean, they're literally are spoilers since they haven't happened yet in the drama!!

@maakopla,
Why is a casino dirty place? Rich people like businessmen come there to play like little boys.
Because, at that time, casinos were largely run by gangsters. Keep in mind that Macao was like Shanghai used to be in the early 20th century, a world full of money, power (warlords becoming gangsters), greed, and -- above all else -- lack of visibility from the prevailing government. Dong Chul's decision to join the mob was DISGRACEFUL.
.. It was heartless man, heartless. I always think about things from my own perspective "if it was my son. If I was her" so I don't actually care about history and what was important and what not.
I thought it was heartless too. I think rewatching some bits here and there, I started to accept that Chun Hee's pride had a cruel effect on both her children, and that her treatment of Ji Hyun was based on as much unfair prejudice (regarding JH's mother) as it was on the real circumstances. I believe it when Dong Wook says she took him out of the family register because she loves him, but it's still a deeply hurtful mother's love.

That aspect is one thing I do like about East of Eden, the relationship between mother and son plays true, the way Lee Dong Chul is ostracized by family due to his ambitions plays true. Usually in these shows, the gangster is some kind of orphan or is born from thieves, so they can easily skirt around the family repercussions of eldest son joining the bad guys. But, here, we can see that Lee Dong Chul, even in his teens, was attracted to money, believed that might and money made the world. This is of course the opposite of what his father believed in. And so, even if he has the compassion and self-sacrifice of his father, he can still be credibly qualified as a failure to his father's legacy in his mother's eyes. He is the essence of prodigal son.
In EoE Dong Chul learned to play cards kind of suddenly, too fast and all by himself which was VERY unrealistic.
I thought so too, until Guk observes that Dong Chul probably has a photographic memory. That makes card playing very easy, and it's plausibly set up with how young Dong Chul initially learns the cards. It's very visual, like he's taking camera shots of all the patterns.
Dong Wook is not actually Dong Chul's biological brother... This is gonna be crazy
Yup. Now they can REALLY be together!!!! (What would mom say? Oh no!!) :D :D :D :D
I know Ji Hyun has the right to be mad and all but how is Myung Hun's love wrong?
Myung Hun did rape her, AND sent her off to be tortured. Even his mom was like "dude, you're one sick puppy." Then again, Crazy Park Hae Jin IS kinda HAWT!!! :D
And when I saw that 3 years later scene I was a bit disappointed. Ji Hyun seemed happy
Yeah, that weirded me out too. Like she seemed too well adjusted, too happy to be in this role. I guess it makes more sense in that she eventually becomes a manager/head of their leading hotel, whereas before she was "that crazy girl" running from one end of the mining town to the other.

My hunch is that the original storyline had her dying by suicide. Before Han Ji Hye was cast for the past, the character was a much smaller part and a catalyst for the rivalry between Dong Wook (who must eventually fall for Min Hye Rin anyway) and Myung Hun. By letting her live, now it sets up yet another generation when the story probably jumps past the Seoul Olympics into the 90s. At that point, their child will be a 10-year old boy, just as Myung Hun and Dong Wook were when everything came apart.
This drama is so full of melodrama and hate that it's already annoying, boring and tiring. East of Eden should be more of an action series. I want to see intelligent businessmen and rich families fight and PLOT!!!
Yeah, that's one thing that differers heavily between Korean and Hong Kong-style thrillers. In HK thrillers, people only cry when somebody actually dies.

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Post by Nyar Nyar » Oct 29th, '08, 07:05

Kim,

It's Okey! Thanks for your update.

Stay keep in touch!

Currently I'm watching "Air City" by Lee Jun Jae & Choi Ji Woo.Have you already seen it?

Wow, that is a nice & recommended one too.

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar

p.s. Here picture of my JJH from "the Devil" for you.
Pls advise what does it mean"put the updates in spolier by Belleza" I sincerely don't know.
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Hi Kim

Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 3rd, '08, 03:06

Hello Kim,

Are you busy?

Pls. come back here once you are available.

Am awaiting your lovely & nice portrait of EOE.

Warm Regards,
Nyarnyar

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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 4th, '08, 15:41

Sorry....for my late response!!!
Nyar Nyar

Min Hye-rin reveals her real status(daughter of Han-sen...one of the richest man in the story) to Lee Dong-wook..she kept her status...because she really feels that she doesn't belong to that Family...she really thinks that she is an ugly duckling .....because she is a daughter of Mr. Han-sen from other woman......
Lee Dong-wook...was very disappointed hearing that from Min Hye-rin...

but in the end... Min Hye-rin explained everything to Lee Dong-Wook......
the reason why she kept her status....she said that when he wrapped her foot with Dong-wook's handkerchief...her heart melted for the first time!!!she never treated that warmly before....

Lee Dong-wook is now falling to Min Hye-rin....

still don't have happenings on Lee Don-chul and Min Hye-rin....because the story for Min Hye-rin is getting better and better...
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Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 5th, '08, 03:39

Anyarsaeyo!

Am v-pleased that you have come back. Kumbunwa!

So, it just started the story btwn Dong wook & Hye Rim.

On the other hand, is the story btwn Dong Chul & Lee Yon Hee(don't know her character's name here) appear?

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar
p.s - Have tried to attach the ending(& lovely) scene of Hello Miss by Da Hae & Ji Hoon. Meyarnada! Cannot attach it. It says the file side is too big.

Currently I am watching "Trees in Heaven" by Lee Wan & PSH. Oh! a cute couple.
Have you seen it also?

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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 5th, '08, 08:01

lee yen hee's character name is Young-ran or Grace.....


i'm being impatient for Lee Dong-chul and Min Hye-rin....it's already half episode ...but still...there are no happenings between them yet!!!! :x oh well...like what I've said lets see what's gonna happen next!!!!


nope i haven't seen that yet!!!..tell me about that korean series!!!

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Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 5th, '08, 09:08

Yes, Me too, Cannot wait to see lovely couple how they will have chemistry.

But we cannot help it, we will have to wait & see as you said, right?

About Trees in Heaven, it's a lovely story btwn sister & brother (like in Autumn Tale) as follows-
After Lee Wan's mother & PSH's father's death, LW's father & PSH's mother get married. As so, they become sister & brother (like in most of the K-drama) & they fall in love each other. And the series had taken placed in Japan.

On the other hand, PSH' villain Aunt & her daughter(don;t know her name). She also love LW & another handsome Japenese guy(senior from PSH's high school) love PSH.
Love traingle btwn four of them. All of the leading actor are cute & handsome on their own style. Japense guy is also a lovelable one once he speak J-language.(hee hee I'm also interested in J-language too).

Here is LW's pict;(with short hair cut) for you. He is more good looking with long hair as in first part of the series.

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar
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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 6th, '08, 08:01

well it seems that drama is pretty interesting ah!!!!...i've seen the actor in some drama...but i have no idea about the main actress....

have you seen The world that they live in or World within starring Song Hye-gyo and Hyun-bin?.....

i really can't wait...or should i say i'm to excited for Lee Dong-chul and Min Hye-rin.....hehehehehe

Here are some pictures form Lee Da-hae in East of Eden
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Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 6th, '08, 08:43

Yes, it is an interesting one! The main actress is park Shi Hye (child actress from Stairways to Heaven) Do you remember?

Oh! I've just finished that (it's a short one) , really tragedy, LW died at the end & save PSH by giving his heart to her cause they both hit by the car(Japenese Gang).

By the way, LW is (little) brother of Kim Tae Hee(Love story in Harvard). You know it?

Bout "the World they live in" have not seen it yet, but some reviews said it is a good one.
Hyun bin is also a cute guy(from Millinarie's first love, right? Hee Hee)But I do not like SHK, just prefer her beauty.

Me too.... I really like to see what will happne btwn Song & Da Hae, Ha....

Do tell me the part once arrive, soonest they got each other, Hee hee..

Hey Kim, shall we sing the song, "Right here waiting for you" Umm....

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar
p.s Here's Hyun bin's photo for you.
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Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 6th, '08, 08:46

Oh, forgot, thanks for your pictures.
Da hae looks so cute as a girl & so smart as a woman in this. Right?

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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 10th, '08, 06:57

hello nyar nyar

Min Hye-rin wrote to Lee Dong-wook

she said that when she opened the window and looked up the sky, she saw Lee Dong-wook's smile she misses Lee Dong wok's warm smile
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Post by kazenai » Nov 10th, '08, 22:12

Can someone explain to me WTF is that ? People who are afraid of spoilers ...please don't watch :O but i need an explanation if this is ACTUALLy related to East Of Eden
:O [/spoiler]

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Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 11th, '08, 03:43

Hey Kim,

Now you come to like Hye Rim+Dong Wook pair? Oh, pls. don't.

So, it's almost half of the seires & Hye Rim & Dong Chul(our Song) do not show attention with each other. Oh ,,oh.

I become to afraid(not actually) if Song & Da Hae cannot be together till the end.

Anyway, you seems to be busy these days since I have your reply 2~3 days after mine. Do you? Meyarnada(Sorry) if it is borther your tight schedule.

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar
Kim, Here's for you. Hope you'll love it.
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Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 11th, '08, 03:50

Kim,

Love your pictures. So cute! especially Song & Da Hae's billboard.

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Post by anneramos » Nov 11th, '08, 05:39

Hello! I am new in this thread but where is that big billboard of EOE located? Thank you!!!!

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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 11th, '08, 06:37

Nyar Nyar.... don't worry about me!!it's okay....as long as you enjoyed evrey post that i've made...



No a big N.O. i'm not into Hye Rin and Dong-wook
i still love Hye-rin and Dong-chul
and hey i know you will be very happy because finally they will meet again in Episode 24(woooot woooo).....(i've seen it in there Preview)....so we have to wait for episode 24...


and i only made that billboard..nothing special...heheheh
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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 11th, '08, 06:42

kazenai

yeah!!!that's nothing to do with East of Eden...that is a music video by Song Seung-heon and Lee Yeon Hee...
and i am also deceived by that video i thought it was really about East of Eden
hehehehehe!!!

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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 11th, '08, 06:47

anneramos
hey sorry if you mistaken my posted pictures....i just made that pictures!!!!i want to see how do they look in the billboard!!!!...and i think they really look good together!!!
what do you think?

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Post by belleza » Nov 11th, '08, 09:43

Okay, it looks like starting episodes 24 or 25, we're going to get a story reset. Frankly I'm still surprised that Lee Dong Chul is actually alive!!

Thoughts on Episode 23 . . .
East of Eden bit off MiSa BIG BIG BIG TIME in this episode. Doomed lovers at the beach? Female heroine wearing baggy clothes? Tragic hero guy knowing that there's no escape from certain death? That piece of orchestral music that sounds a bit like the tango piece from MiSa? "Sarang ne ajusshii? SARANG NE AJUSSHI"

How dare you.

How dare you East of Eden.

Yeah . . . I loved this episode. I'm easy. :(

Sigh. I think what kills me is that Grace really did develop as a character, and their love seemed to evolve through the 20+ episodes. Because of the casting, you knew that it couldn't be. You feared that Grace would get killed accidentally. You thought that Lee Dong Chul would get castrated or lose an eye or at least a finger for loving the Don's daughter.

But, above all, what I liked was that, in a way, they for one episode got to start over. In the beginning. When she was a spunky, spoiled brat. And he was a Dickensian roamer improvising day. When he could see her as a just a woman, and not the daughter of his dangerous boss, not the unhappy puppet of her father, not the Gambino's take off Pandora's Box.

At least their relationship went full circle. It was always doomed, but they did develop and mature and evolve and that was satisfying,

I'm just glad Lee Dong Chul doesn't die. Dude, that was a big ass knife her dad was holding!
@kazenai,

That is from a music video project called "Love Song 2008", starring Song Seung Heon, Lee Yeon Hee, and Park Yong Ha. So, yes, SSH and LYH (who's kind of become a queen of these mini-movies) had already done a smaller project together before they did East of Eden. And like EofE it involves gangsters. Like SSH's 2008 movie Destiny, it involves fighting and copious shirtless shots of SSH.


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Post by anneramos » Nov 11th, '08, 15:14

kim_calvz, thank you!!!!! They do look good together but I just get depress when I see how the DC and YR story is going
the preview in for ep 25 seems that DC visits YR again after such a painful goodbye so I guess it's not goodbye yet in ep 23 or 24
.......I mean how many times do they have to say goodbye then all of a sudden they are back again.....I just think their story is to repetitive.......I don't really have any couple that I support, it used to be that I like the idea of DC-HR but I mean it is already in the middle of the series but the DC-YR is still not resolved and would probably not be resolved anytime soon so that just sort of gets to me......hope it will find its real closure.......or I'm already on the verge of lossing interest.....no matter how much I love the acting of the rest of the cast, it's just that DC-YR story goes around in circle which just for me is a buzz kill........sorry for their fans here but I liked the story of EOE but if this goes on I would probably just get back to it when it finally end.......sorry........ :-(

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Post by belleza » Nov 11th, '08, 18:53

.no matter how much I love the acting of the rest of the cast, it's just that DC-YR story goes around in circle which just for me is a buzz kill......
Definitely. I also think DC storyline was starting to go in circles, what with him taking on 20 random guys seemingly every episode. After awhile, I just wonder "don't criminals use knives? Tony and the Jets, they used knives! Montagues and Capulets, they used swords! do people need fake mining accidents to properly kill people off in Korea?!?" :D
the preview in for ep 25 seems that DC visits YR again after such a painful goodbye so I guess it's not goodbye yet in ep 23 or 24
Yeah, I think we're getting the closure scene too. This is a little like MiSa in that the female protoganist, apart from her lover, starts to lose her mind and her will. What I liked about EofE is that they set up this condition pretty early. President Guk is one of my favorite characters, and the Guk family is always fun to watch . . . but the jokes and snappy repartee eased that she was effectively a bird in his cage all her life, a well-kept bargaining chip for his means. It looks like the time jump (haven't seen Episode 24 yet) will be about another 2-3 years (placing the storyline now pretty close to the Seoul Olympics), and so in that time, it's reasonable to believe that Grace's mind and will are effectively gone. She's a lost soul (is she still married to Mike; he may be her caretaker), and him seeing her is his proper goodbye.

This seems inevitable to me, because the LDC-MHR storyline needs to start. I don't even think they know each other's name yet!
Mostly I'm hoping for a new storyline for LDC. After the time jump, it's clear that he's left that life, and that everybody's visibly aged. SSH taking on the entire crime base of Korea underneath the bridge will not work for another 25 episodes.

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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 11th, '08, 19:50

anneramos

yes anneramos...i am loosing my interest every time Lee Dong chul and Young-ran having some romance.......but yet i am being patient..because i am still looking forward for Min hye-rin i really want them... the only reason why i am watching East of Eden is to be mesmerize for the romance of Lee Dong-chul and Min Hye-rin....coz i find it very interesting...how could Lee DOng-chul forget his first love ....

despite the fact that they really don't have interest to each other....(Min Hye-rin introduced her self to Lee Dong-chul in episode 24)

how the story will evolve between two different people

i really want to start the love line between Lee Dong-chul and Min Hye-rin.....

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Post by belleza » Nov 11th, '08, 20:00

despite the fact that they really don't have interest to each other....(Min Hye-rin introduced her self to Lee Dong-chul in episode 24)
The other thing that bothers me is that
Aren't MHR and LDW informally together? Or, if not together, still close friends? Unlike LDC/YR, MHR and LDW built a healthy and close bond over many years. Once MHR and LDC start meeting each other regularly, one would assume that they will find out that he's LDW's brother and that's that. Off limits.

I think my problem with their storyline is that they've waited so, so long to set up their storyline. Up to episode 24, they didn't even know each other's names, and both have been involved with other people. Also, I like LDW a lot. Both brothers have suffered greatly, and after the truth comes out, LDW will be a lost soul. They both deserve to be happy.

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Post by Sunshine_36 » Nov 12th, '08, 03:01

I'm going for Grace and Dong Chul all the way, but I'm sure they won't end up together. It kills me to know that he'll most likely end up with Hye Rin. I mean how can that happen? They seem so perfect. Just as their love was growing, it had to end. That's completely blehh.

I mean I've watched a lot of korean dramas, and Lee Da-Hae is my favorite actress, but I prefer her character in this drama sticking with Dong Wook. I mean if LDH goes with SSH ... it's kind of blehhh ... they're too alike (personality wise). I always thought LDH is more suitable with Dong Wook, now that I know DW can't go with Ji-Hyun.

It really kills ... to know that they'll fall apart. I don't know ... at the beginning, my fav. couple was Ji Hyun and Dong Wook and now it's Dong Chul and Young-Ran. Although, they're all breaking apart GRR :P. :x

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Post by fizzlex3mh » Nov 12th, '08, 04:46

15 episodes down; slowly losing interest.....

I take back what I said about liking SSH more than I thought I would. I think Dennis Oh had so much screen time in Ep6 that he made everybody look awesome. And for some reason I thought LYH was one of the better young actresses but she does not convince me one bit. It doesn't help that her character grates on my nerves.

I absolutely HATE the LDC and GYR couple. Am I the only one who thinks they have NO chemistry at all? I never once felt that DC likes her but it's obvious YR is fond of him. I am annoyed at how we're supposed to believe that they are truly in love. The tearful and angst-y kiss scene on the boat in Ep15 was just awful, aside from the pretty song (Red Bean - Lee Hae Ri) that played in the background. Their characters don't connect with each other at all and I'm supposed to feel bad that they can't be together?

And what was with that time jump? All of a sudden, Ji Hyun is so happy with her new family but everyone else is EXACTLY where they were before. 3 years is a long time...you would think at least a few other characters would've made some progress in whatever they've been trying to do.

On the other hand, Lee Da Hae seriously rocks. I can't wait until she becomes SSH's love interest and starts playing a bigger role. I need her to help me get through the remaining 35 (:crazy: ) episodes of this series.

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Post by belleza » Nov 12th, '08, 05:25

@fizzle,
15 episodes down; slowly losing interest.....
In fact, you haven't even gotten to the slow part. Haha ahhh :(
I absolutely HATE the LDC and GYR couple. Am I the only one who thinks they have NO chemistry at all?
They're not popular at all; most people really hate Grace, and well everybody kinda knows that LDC/GYR won't be the main couple. They kinda grew on me; Grace was so verbally and physically abusive to him, and well I guess I'm kinda the same way so it made me smile everytime she slapped him. It's, you know, affectionate.
I think it's kinda like, as the show progresses from 15-23, you really wonder out loud why LDC is even doing this. He's ostracized from his family; he's not really closer to avenging his father; she correctly recognizes that he is a tool for her father. Above all, he starts to get into beaten up episode after episode, staring down death. What good is it all for? And, you know, you can even see that in SSH's performance; as LDC, he too looks like he wants to leave this life.

That desire is articulated in his feelings for Grace. In turn, as she approaches her wedding, her bitterness and distance turns into anger and sadness . . .and finally through episode 18, you actually see that her feelings turn wistful and tender for him. The wedding is a kind of death for her; she must confront it, and she does, and given the overwhelming sadness she feels about not only losing him but saying goodbye to her real freedom, both parties start expressing the regret over each other.

In that way, it's not that I think they're a great couple. It's just that both people are truly sad, and that in their miserable lives (given the violence that surrounds her father, Grace's life seems distinctly more miserable) seem alleviated by their company. There's a weary fatalism too. Their relationship is doomed; and so, when they start accepting their feelings, it is a cathartic experience, a release demured with the acceptance that there is no future, no escape. All they have/had is now. SSH has a nice performance here; his LDC is painfully, fatalistically aware of the consequences.
All of a sudden, Ji Hyun is so happy with her new family but everyone else is EXACTLY where they were before.
What's interesting is trying to understand how Ji Hyun feels about her husband, Mr. Rapist Psycho Nice Guy. At first, it feels very strange how friendly and cooperative they seem as a family unit. Then pieces of Ji Hyun's veil starts to unravel. Watching through episode 25, I think Han Ji Hye is NOW delivering the strongest performance among the 3 young female leads. She evokes a mix of bitterness and troubled conscience in her performance; peeled back, you start to see how she continues to reject Mr. Rapist Psycho Nice Guy.
On the other hand, Lee Da Hae seriously rocks.
I raved about her performance as MHR early on in the show . . . but MHR is maybe the least interesting of the three characters now. She's involved in her own troubled life, but those scenes suck the life out of the picture; their situation seems so unrelated to the rest of the story. You just get the sense that her character is in a holding pattern until the 2nd half of the story begins. It's not Lee Da Hae's fault, but that sometimes she's overacting in order to substantiate her character's troubled personality.

@sunshine,
I mean if LDH goes with SSH ... it's kind of blehhh ... they're too alike (personality wise).
I think it depends on where the story takes LDC. If they continue his crime path, then you have a pretty good setup between MYR's somewhat holier-than-thou and reckless morality, and LDC's pragmatic amoralism. If, however, LDC does go legit . . . it IS kinda boring, no?
my fav. couple was Ji Hyun and Dong Wook
I actually like Yun Jung Hoon and HJH's acting chemistry in general. PHJ and HJH is okay too, if PHJ's character wasn't so crazy. YJH and LDH is "okay"; even if their relationship doesn't get much further, I don't feel that much about them.

SSH and LDH chemistry is potent to me. Take out the music; the motorcycle rides; the awkward glances; they just look good together. Like you see these two beautiful people and go "those two should be dating!" :)

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Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 13th, '08, 03:27

Kim,

As I told you, you portrial of EOE is really alive to me & millions of thanks to your continuous kind post.

Wow! really, they(Song & Da Hae) come up together(in epi 24)? Oh,.... I love to see it & cannot help to wait.

As requested, kindly make (for me) Song & Da Hae's cute picture when they are together.(hee hee , as you made it before DH & YJH's part).

After I've read some reviews here, it's really going to move on(I mean Song & Da Hae), as for me(likewise), I',m interested to see EOE cause of them.

But what a pity, cannot peek into your music MV.

Anyway, kumbunwa!

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar

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Post by belleza » Nov 13th, '08, 04:25

Wow! really, they(Song & Da Hae) come up together(in epi 24)? Oh,.... I love to see it & cannot help to wait.
Not much to write home about, except for LDH's clothing essemble, which includes a leather vest, a rock-n-rolla coat, and 80s-style (but not excessive) frills. Her new look, complete with some subtle eye makeup and soft curls tied back, is straight from the Han Ji Hye school of powerbroker fashion. She looks absolutely fierce, saying "I am a corporate player and all the men in this room will abide by my terms." I just loved her clothes, especially the cuffs with the coat. A lil bit of Mick Jagger there.

Oh and I just realized that the Lee brothers have a Love Theme. Ahhh, that's sweet. :D

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To Nyar Nyar

Post by kim_calvz » Nov 13th, '08, 15:35

Hey Nyar Nyar.....as i promised here it is

Min Hye-rin asked Lee Dong-chul to sell his property to Hansen newspaper.
but then Lee Dong-chul refused her offer.
Myin Hye-rin asked if he still remember her?
(and i am enthusiastic to Lee Dong-chul because he still rember her face.. )
but somehow they are not interested to each other(as of now?)because they are in love with someone else!!!!!

go to youtube and search for east of eden i'm pretty sure that you can find MV's about them or videos behind the scene and interview(by the way i uploaded the interview of Lee Da-hae on the set..watch it)...and try to read some of the comments....there are some bashful fans of Lee Yeon-hee and Lee Da-hae...ㅋㅋ.......and i think i am one of them ㅋㅋ...ㅋㅋ
Oh and I just realized that the Lee brothers have a Love Theme. Ahhh, that's sweet. Big Smile

yeah!!!! it's funny in away that they really loved each other ....every time i see them holding hands, embracing like there are no other people in the world only the two of them (ah!!!!...very touching)
ㅋㅋ..... i wonder what would they feel if they knew that they are not related at all...,,,,,who is gonna puke first!!!!???(joke)


Look at the pictures of Myin Hye-rin and Lee Dong-chul....i can only say is..........aaaaawwww........i want more!!!
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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 14th, '08, 07:03

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can anyone tell me what is the title of the song .......when Lee dong-chul and Min Hye-rin met?
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To Dear Kim,Song & Da Hae looks so matching

Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 18th, '08, 05:41

Oh Kim,

You are so lovely!

Finally, you made it for me. Kumbunwa. I love it.

In your pix, Song & Da Hae looks so matching & the way they look each other(I don't want to believe they are in love with other's else, Hmm?, especially Song' eye are so alive)

Hey, step by step, I think they gonna fall for each other(I wish).

By the way, I cannot access to Youtube as I told, here are some banned site by......, & youtube is one of those. Oh , I miss the golden chance to see the interviews(I'm also interested in interviews of actors/actress talk/comment abt each other behind the scene).

Anyway, Khitayiyo(I'll be waiting your coming post & I hope there will be much more of S & DH.

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Post by belleza » Nov 18th, '08, 06:11

In your pix, Song & Da Hae looks so matching & the way they look each other(I don't want to believe they are in love with other's else, Hmm?, especially Song' eye are so alive)
There's a lot of speculation about how they're going to set up the LDC/MHR storyline, especially after episodes 23-25. Episode 25 is very, very sad.
One thing I liked about the LDC/YR storyline was how we were allowed to watch their relationship develop and change, and Grace develop and change through the years. It isn't so much that we watch their love develop, so much as we watch them both rise and fall. And now we see that Grace, the brat princess (hiding a bitter, lonely heart), has disintegrated into a shell of herself. Yet, from her destroyed will, she is able to love him as selflessly and deeply as she can. In episode 25, both aspects torment Dong Chul; the former, because he cannot believe what she has become, and the latter because he could not believe that their love had done this to her.

I think SSH has the strongest emotional connection to brotherly, nurturing emotions; when he depicts anguish, it seems against specifically those instincts. Here The way the episode depicts her mind locked up in her hallucinations and broken will, plays off a little bit of gothic melodrama. Against a dark, dark apparition-like backdrop, SSH really brings out the anguish of LDC's soul. Her state violates the fiber of his character's compassion and regard for others.

It's heartbreaking as she calls out for her father, for Mike. Here we see the barest of what we suspected, that her life was a dark, dark dollhouse.

For the first time, I wonder whether the writers intend to perhaps have LDC/YR be there at the end. It's pretty clear that we've seen now will continue to haunt him deeply. So much so that he would feel too guilty to love another woman.

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Hello Belleza,

Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 20th, '08, 04:06

belleza wrote:
In your pix, Song & Da Hae looks so matching & the way they look each other(I don't want to believe they are in love with other's else, Hmm?, especially Song' eye are so alive)
There's a lot of speculation about how they're going to set up the LDC/MHR storyline, especially after episodes 23-25. Episode 25 is very, very sad.
One thing I liked about the LDC/YR storyline was how we were allowed to watch their relationship develop and change, and Grace develop and change through the years. It isn't so much that we watch their love develop, so much as we watch them both rise and fall. And now we see that Grace, the brat princess (hiding a bitter, lonely heart), has disintegrated into a shell of herself. Yet, from her destroyed will, she is able to love him as selflessly and deeply as she can. In episode 25, both aspects torment Dong Chul; the former, because he cannot believe what she has become, and the latter because he could not believe that their love had done this to her.

I think SSH has the strongest emotional connection to brotherly, nurturing emotions; when he depicts anguish, it seems against specifically those instincts. Here The way the episode depicts her mind locked up in her hallucinations and broken will, plays off a little bit of gothic melodrama. Against a dark, dark apparition-like backdrop, SSH really brings out the anguish of LDC's soul. Her state violates the fiber of his character's compassion and regard for others.

It's heartbreaking as she calls out for her father, for Mike. Here we see the barest of what we suspected, that her life was a dark, dark dollhouse.

For the first time, I wonder whether the writers intend to perhaps have LDC/YR be there at the end. It's pretty clear that we've seen now will continue to haunt him deeply. So much so that he would feel too guilty to love another woman.
Hi Belleza,

Per your portrial, I think LDC's love for YR is brotherly & only wants to guard her from dangers(I've seen in some reviews that he's bodygurad to YR).
As far as I've seen K-series, they(actor(or) actress) can easily change their love one to another person but some are exceptional.

Anyway, thanks to your update of this one & hope to see some more.

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar

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Post by belleza » Nov 20th, '08, 08:07

Per your portrial, I think LDC's love for YR is brotherly & only wants to guard her from dangers
Yeah, I think there's a strong element of that in their relationship. But, that and other elements develop through the years, perhaps moreso than any other romantic relationship thus far in the story.
When they first meet, LDC sees YR as a kind of a spoiled, but pretty girl. His feelings develop for her offscreen (i.e. after a time jump); she grows up a bit, and he can't deny his fondness for her. The loneliness from his family's enstrangement also increases his feelings for her.

The nice dynamic about their relationship is that both characters develop through the years. On one hand, yes, he's an "oppa" to her, but she also challenges him and his motivations. When they meet again after another 2 years, it's really about her now. He misses her. He wishes he could see her again. He actually has no idea that she is in such a bad state until he visits her.
Another thing worth mentioning is that this drama isn't particularly romantic. Most of the romances seem failed before they start. Most of the leads ignore their private lives for the sake of their careers, often doing things that they're not proud of, and often at each other. Power games dominate the story; love seems both an inadequate distraction and an elusive dream to these people.

The pacing and the overall quality of the writing in the show's picked up through episode 23-26.
By episode 26, Lee Dong Chul has accrued enough power to make his move on Shin Tae Hwan. The dominoes are starting to drop. Also, everybody now are now gaining real power and influence. East of Eden has moved to 1987, the year when the military dictatorship finally falls and before the Seoul Olympics. Most of East of Eden thus far has gone from 1981-87, a dark era that goes well with all of the crime bravado and political corruption. Now all of these players are coming out of that period's darkness to reinvent themselves as legitimate businessmen, such as Lee Dong Chul. Unlike her father, Min Hye Rin will inherit the newspaper under a democracy, and I'm thinking she will represent the new South Korea.

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Post by morserachel » Nov 22nd, '08, 14:24

This must be the year for pathetic female characters. I've caught up to episode 18 and could't believe that the female protagonists are so pathetic!! First, JH, must be the no.1 masochist in the world. Unbelievable that she can actually lie down beside the man who raped her every night! She must love nightmares to do that and secondly, GR, pathetically begging the gutless DC for his love. Have some self respect, woman! Half the world population are men. Even if she blindly reaches out she would probably get a better man than DC.

I hope they don't turn HR into another pathetic female because I am going to give up watching the show then.

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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 24th, '08, 15:24

preview in episode 28
and i'm very happy finally Min Hye-rin and Lee dong-chul will meet again(well i hope that this is not just an odd meeting like before)i really hope that this is the beggining for their loveline
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Post by belleza » Nov 25th, '08, 09:21

and i'm very happy finally Min Hye-rin and Lee dong-chul will meet again(well i hope that this is not just an odd meeting like before)i really hope that this is the beggining for their loveline
It looks like around Episode 28, we're going to get another 2 or 3 year time jump (this time into the 90s.)

Also, it looks like Grace and Mike will finally marry properly, and that Lee Dong Chul and Grace finally have closure. The departure seems bittersweet, but still amicable.

Finally, it also looks like Lee Dong Chul has finally become a rich and independent businessman in his own right. And I mean, from the previews, it looks like he's driving an Italian sports car, so he's officially FILTHY RICH!! As a result, he's now finally ascended into the same social class whereby the Lee Dong Chul and Min Hye Rin can finally start their relationship.
Or to put it another way, Episode 28 effectively begins East of Eden. :D
First, JH, must be the no.1 masochist in the world.
Her character gets much better. She's arguably the most complex character in the show, because she's allowed to evolve. She lost a lot; but she gained a lot too. Shin Tae Hwan slowly recognizes that she in fact surpasses his son in cunning and courage. He actually prizes her more than his son as an asset to his power, yet at the same time, her bond and regard with the Lee brothers still run deep. She kind of becomes the 2nd Janice of the story. Han Ji Hye's performance after the time jump is marvelous too. Her presence has grown much more complex from playing this role, and you can feel the weight of her character's experience in her performance.
I hope they don't turn HR into another pathetic female because I am going to give up watching the show then.
I think the key problem with the Min Hye Rin character is that she's really meant for the 2nd half of East of Eden. Her storyline, apart from her on-and-off again friendship/relationship with Lee Dong Wook, seems independent from the main story, and so it's been hard to consistently care about it.

That said, the circumstances of her storyline also has been good setup for Min Hye Rin in that 2nd half of the story. She becomes legitimately powerful as well as tied to the political and social machinations that give her power. She is representative of her nation's aspirations and struggle to move forward. The bricks have been lain together; hopefully that patience is rewarded.

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Post by fizzlex3mh » Nov 26th, '08, 20:15

I've already seen a full-mini-series-length portion of EoE (20 episodes) and it doesn't look like the story's going anywhere. There are parts that I find intriguing, and others that bore me to tears. And Young-Chul still annoys me.

I've just deleted ep21 from my laptop and am probably going to drop this series completely - life's too short to watch dramas that barely interest me, and only because of the eye candy. Anyone willing to convince me otherwise?

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Post by callakt » Nov 26th, '08, 20:25

fizzlex3mh, I understand your frustration, me too. But keep watching, It'll get better toward the later half. To me, Ep. 28 is the best so far, because of the closure of DC & YR's relationship and the starting of DC & HR. Hope you won't drop this drama, I think it's one of the best for years.

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Hello My Dear Kim

Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 28th, '08, 02:20

kim_calvz wrote:preview in episode 28
and i'm very happy finally Min Hye-rin and Lee dong-chul will meet again(well i hope that this is not just an odd meeting like before)i really hope that this is the beggining for their loveline
Wow! finally our beloved ones start Rock N'Roll.
Hey! Kim, pls. catch up some cute pix; of them(Song & DH), Pls.....

Oh! I really cannot wait to see it.

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar
p.s- Thans also to Belleza for portrial of ep.28 & review..

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Post by angel's advocate » Nov 28th, '08, 02:29

Personally I'm more rooting more for the relationship between LDC and Grace....Have a bit of a softspot for first love stories.....

as for LDC and MHR....while I like Lee Da Hae just fine....her character here doesn't really appeal to me here.

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Post by Nyar Nyar » Nov 28th, '08, 02:31

Hi Kim,

By the way, I've just seen the pix of Song & the other one(is it Grace?) in wedding dress?

What's that ceremony? Grace's wedding with Michael?

Also they(Song & Da Hae) together coming down from the stairs at that ceremony?

Pls. give me a potrial of this scene.

Warmest,
Nyarnyar

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Post by kim_calvz » Nov 28th, '08, 22:14

nyar nyar
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Post by belleza » Nov 29th, '08, 09:11

to 1987 the story jumped to 1993
Yeah, Episode 28 is almost like a restart of East of Eden. There's been time jumps before, but this one effectively changes the makeup of the story.

Up through episode 27, East of Eden's been mostly a thriller-style show with an emphasis on tortured family dramatics.

However, now most of the family angst has been resolved (for example, the two moms have both become successful business owners) and most of the gangster business seems to be behind Lee Dong Chul. Above all, it seems that both brothers are well in their successful efforts to achieve personal ambitions, while Shin Tae Hwan seems greatly dminishied (as well as older.)

Meaning . . . most of the fighting, intrigue, and overwrought drama has already been cleaned out. Starting with Episode 28, you can see that EofE's has shifted into romance. The storyline quickly moves to Lee Dong Chul and Min Hye Rin. They not only have a lot of face time together (even getting to properly know each other's names), but their storyline drives the episode. From the previews, it looks like the storyline is continuing to accelerate in the pace of episodes 25-27, and that the terrible revelation will soon come out.
In other words, if you caught, say, the first 7-8 episodes of East of Eden, you can skip to Episode 28 because now the real story is being told.

Also, although the story is "1993", effectively the drama has moved into the present time. There was one slipup where somebody mentions "our IT company." Heh.
life's too short to watch dramas that barely interest me, and only because of the eye candy. Anyone willing to convince me otherwise?
I think for me, the show's become a daily drama with gangsters. The story is sloppy and a little lazy (there's been some complaints and on-the-set rumors about the show's writing), but it still does a good job developing the characters through the march of time as well as showing how South Korea has evolved as well. Above all, you get the sense from the director that he's kinda scared that you'll switch the channel, so he'll just throw stuff together. Like all daily dramas, I'm kinda grown fond of these people, even Shin Tae Hwan, and the whole Lee family. I'll be kinda sad when this show ends.

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To my Dear Kim

Post by Nyar Nyar » Dec 1st, '08, 03:31

Dear Kim,

Me too! I’m v happy & cannot help to smile, even laugh out while I’m reading your good portrial of Song & DH.

Wow! I’m now too curious to know what will happen btwn them in next ep;. But I’m sure(& I wish) they will fall with each other at the same time Dong Chul tries to help Hye rim(her family problem), hee hee.

Again, kumbunwa for your lovely pix; see how they look each other, I can see the loving song in their eyes.(To admit the truth, I like Song’ eye whenever he express v lively the way how he feel).

Let’s keep cross our fingers! Okey?

Khiterriyo(will be waiting some more …….).

Warm Rgds,
Nyarnyar
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Post by kim_calvz » Dec 2nd, '08, 00:29

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Nyar Nyar
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Hi Kim

Post by Nyar Nyar » Dec 2nd, '08, 02:56

kim_calvz wrote:here are some pictures of Min Hye-rin taken from episode 29
Good Morning!

Oh! it is an auspicious day for me to open with my fav; pix.

Kumbunwa!
Nyarnyar

lavenderskye
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Post by lavenderskye » Dec 2nd, '08, 09:03

Thanks for sharing the pics kim_calvz!

She's so pretty!! I love the chemistry between Dong-Chul & Hye-Rin :wub: Hope to see more of them together! It's kinda bad, but I skipped directly to episode 28 after reading this thread...

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