Secret Garden (SBS, 2010 - 2011)

Neliets · Post by **Neliets** » Dec 9th, '10, 05:22

I liked how things turned out in 8th episode.

Viande · Post by **Viande** » Dec 9th, '10, 10:10

janajee wrote:
Best thing Joo Won said to Ra Im for in this was when he told Ra Im that he would pay more of his taxes if he knew he was raising her. So so so so cute. The most adorable thing ever, and it made me really go awwwwww, Joo Won, you're so eccentric but I love you.

Agreed, that was very cute of him. ^^

At ep 6 I liked more Hyun Bin but at ep 7 and 8 I just loved Ha Ji Won, she was so believable as Joo Won. I didn't like the way they time to time switched them "back" to right bodies, it just made things more confusing.

Those switches were unnecsesary.

Myxale · Post by **Myxale** » Dec 9th, '10, 16:48

Like most enjoyed the 8'th epi and had lots of fun.

The gag with the Signature faking, ands how it changed...lol...after Ra-Im donned her on that paper.

Oh, and anyone had the feeling that our Doctor had the sweets for Joo Won, before mom paid her top stop??? Like she did with Ra-Im.,

Oska's Ex is annoying and to thick in the head. Speaking of Oska, the taxi-fare singing was soo lol!

The episode was nice, and i have to hand a honorary mention to Secretary Kim, who was great fun watching with his confusions!

Anyway, yeah so they're back home ( so to speak ) wonder how long till next weekend!

There were many great scenes between our leads ( Stunt&Style ) and yet I still don't have a clue as to where this drama is going!

PS. Hey anybody else curious how Joo Won restyled Ra-im's shack?? The craftsmen were a dead give-away!

Jav_sol · Post by **Jav_sol** » Dec 10th, '10, 02:56

janajee wrote:
Best thing Joo Won said to Ra Im for in this was when he told Ra Im that he would pay more of his taxes if he knew he was raising her. So so so so cute. The most adorable thing ever, and it made me really go awwwwww, Joo Won, you're so eccentric but I love you.

Rich people willing to pay more taxes? Now I know this show is fantasy.

Myxale wrote:Oh, and anyone had the feeling that our Doctor had the sweets for Joo Won, before mom paid her top stop??? Like she did with Ra-Im.,

That's what it seemed like to me.

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 11th, '10, 10:07

If anyone wants the house Juwon is living in:
Maiim Vision Village in the Gyeonggi Province of South Korea
Funny article I found on 10A:
My name is Kim Ju-won, I am 33 years old, and my occupation is to be rich. I believe that just about explains who I am. Any misunderstandings that could occur between me and the penniless, underprivileged person like you is usually not from lack of information but the difference in level of thinking between us that has been set since birth. But just because I own a large house and a garden that covers over 66,000 square meters of land, that does not mean I'm a rude person. You would notice that by me giving permission to the crew of SBS for drama "Secret Garden" to film in my house, as well as the room of Choi Woo-young, whom you better know as Oscar. Maybe you'll realize it one day, later on. You may end up saying, "Oh my~ I can't believe I went to Yeoju Mime Vision Village tour with 'him', such an honor for generations to come!"But let me make few things clear and I'm not telling you this just for your benefit. This is all part of the morales of the social upper class. You know, like a generosity for the needy. It's all part of my excellent upbringing. They say in the papers that I am the symbol of Korea's noblesse oblige and the only hope. I'm not sure about that but they can't be saying that without reason to, can they? What? No? Would you like to meet my lawyer?
(Asiae)
And one funny pic from Official Website:

Viande · Post by **Viande** » Dec 11th, '10, 10:16

Thanks Ethlenn

Is the right picture at first row really Hyun Bin and not Ha Ji Won? He looks so much her when he's having that girly look. (not in the last pics hehe)

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 11th, '10, 10:37

Yep, That's really Hyun Bin. One fan made it and now this picture is famous on korean websites.
And since the interview about the switch is too long to post it here, I edited it neatly and posted it here.
Enjoy!

BTW

And if anyone wants to buy a desk calendar for 2011:
http://www.yesasia.com/global/secret-ga ... /info.html

janajee · Post by **janajee** » Dec 11th, '10, 14:12

I want one calendar! Awwww, why can't I not be a student and afford to order stuff like that? Awww. Hhahahahaa. And pictures of Hyun Bin? AWESOME-in a creepy way, hahahaha.

s3xs1 · Post by **s3xs1** » Dec 11th, '10, 15:50

I'm experiencing a really slow internet connection right now ... and sometimes failure. I'll contact the ISP ... should they not fix it in 10-30 minutes ... then we'll have a delay for Gloria an Secret Garden ... sorry!

Take care!

Orion1986 · Post by **Orion1986** » Dec 11th, '10, 18:49

Episode 9 was epic. The balance between serious and funny, romantic and plain, all of it. This show is just priceless, in every way.

And on a more shallow note, because I'm me, Mr. Ogre Kamdongnim's shower scene was niiiice. Poor man is so confused by all this.

And btw, there is now one thing I think I know how it will go, but not sure with this series.

Jisa · Post by **Jisa** » Dec 11th, '10, 22:10

mod edit: No DDL for dramas here. Read the rules first.
http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_70292.htm

Neliets · Post by **Neliets** » Dec 11th, '10, 22:22

I desperately need 9th episodes subs but they aren't out... Dang.

I can't wait for last 3 episodes of Fugitive too.

s3xs1 · Post by **s3xs1** » Dec 12th, '10, 14:33

my internet connection failed 2 times in 10 minutes. - and the ISP doesn't

If, just if, by 18:00GMT, Gloria 36 and Secret Garden 10 are not out yet ... I'm begging one of my fellow uploaders to take over.

Thanks!

arakira · Post by **arakira** » Dec 12th, '10, 15:11

I'm gonna upload HD for 9 in about 15 min.

If nobody else is available, I can put that on hold later and seed the normal avi for ep10 first (though my speed isnt half as good as yours . . . Just lemme know here, ok?

s3xs1 · Post by **s3xs1** » Dec 12th, '10, 15:29

arakira wrote:I'm gonna upload HD for 9 in about 15 min.

If nobody else is available, I can put that on hold later and seed the normal avi for ep10 first (though my speed isnt half as good as yours . . . Just lemme know here, ok?

No problems after that ... waiting for the torrent files to show up.

Thanks!

Orion1986 · Post by **Orion1986** » Dec 12th, '10, 15:37

Ara-chwan, I can help with 9 too. I'll be on stand by. ^^

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 12th, '10, 15:55

arakira wrote:I'm gonna upload HD for 9 in about 15 min.

If nobody else is available, I can put that on hold later and seed the normal avi for ep10 first (though my speed isnt half as good as yours . . . Just lemme know here, ok?

I will help seeding both version. count me in.

So, i just finished watching ep9 and now i am wondering, what was he the whole reason behind the body swap? both RI and JW are like before and have not changed even a little bit after the body swap. the only thing that was important

anyway, coming back to the story
by end of SG, i want to see 3 things to happen:

for JW to get together with RI
and have total change of attitude even though i am liking his snobby/arrogant /selfish/inconsiderate self (but let's just face it, you won't like such a person in normal life)

for the director (who is getting hotter and hotter by each eps in my eyes) to get together with JW's sister (because i just love the sparks that started between them and they totally match each other in ways that i have no idea about but are so cute as couple

)

for Oska and YS NOT to get together.
i know i am being horrible here but i totally hate YS character in here and if it was a way for me watching each ep and FFing her scene without missing on the whole story, believe me i would have done it. and I think Oska will be alright without her too. it did not bothered him much when she was away for all past years.

and please please please, clear this silly misunderstanding of RI's friend about JW. because it has started to get on my nerve and we don't need any other side story that may complicate things more. we have enough to deal with already.

I did not use spoiler tag for my whole post as i did not think it was needed. but if anyone think so, please let me know and i edit my post.
can't wait for ep10

s3xs1 · Post by **s3xs1** » Dec 12th, '10, 16:30

Hi!

Sadly for us ... my internet connection is, right now, comparable to a dial-up connection ...

.. that being said ... I'm trying ... but it is just not helping me

Sorry

... unless a fellow uploader takes over for this week's episodes (Gloria 36 and Secret Garden 10) ... I will upload them tomorrow (~18:00 GMT).

Thanks and take care!

~

If needed, I can provide the intel for the 1 post

~ quote a previous episode and edit

arakira · Post by **arakira** » Dec 12th, '10, 16:56

I'll upload and hope for co-seeders

s3xs1 · Post by **s3xs1** » Dec 12th, '10, 17:55

arakira wrote:I'll upload and hope for co-seeders

I did too ... we've dealt with the situation

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 12th, '10, 18:01

s3xs1 wrote:
arakira wrote:I'll upload and hope for co-seeders
I did too ... man ...

seeding too

arakira · Post by **arakira** » Dec 12th, '10, 18:10

s3xs1 wrote:
arakira wrote:I'll upload and hope for co-seeders
I did too ... man ...

and now? Do you know how to delete a torrent here? Or should we just leave it as it is?

LOL

Oh well, I'm so in love with this drama, now I can watch it while waiting for the HD and then rewatch on the bigger screen with subs

EDIT: how did you delete it? Might come handy to know how to do it ;)

s3xs1 · Post by **s3xs1** » Dec 12th, '10, 18:35

arakira wrote:EDIT: how did you delete it? Might come handy to know how to do it ;)

When you access the dedicated page of the release ... in the upper-left part of the screen there is an edit button. NEXT TO IT IS AN "X" ... HIT THAT AND CONFIRM THE DELETE!

arakira · Post by **arakira** » Dec 12th, '10, 19:04

s3xs1 wrote:
arakira wrote:EDIT: how did you delete it? Might come handy to know how to do it ;)
When you access the dedicated page of the release ... in the upper-left part of the screen there is an edit button. NEXT TO IT IS AN "X" ... HIT THAT AND CONFIRM THE DELETE!

LOOOOL, so easy! Thanks for letting me know

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 12th, '10, 19:23

Or I will take care of deleting the whole topic. Because even after removing the torrent, the thread still remains.

My connection sucks...

s3xs1 · Post by **s3xs1** » Dec 12th, '10, 19:50

Ethlenn wrote:Or I will take care of deleting the whole topic. Because even after removing the torrent, the thread still remains.

My connection sucks...

Sorry ... I didn't knew that. Please delete that dead link ... I don't want to confuse anyone ... hope they've seen the link posted by our kindly arakira!

Take care!

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 14th, '10, 19:36

I took care of that.

Issy, you changed your sigi... how come (the lazy) Oh Jiho is not on it anymore??
But I will be nice from now on, why do you hate me so? You plotted my demise?

On the happy, less creepy note:
김범수-나타나(시크릿가든O.S.T.).MP4 - Kim Beomsu - Natana (SG OST MV)
Have fun...

Ori, et tu Brutus contra me?

arakira · Post by **arakira** » Dec 14th, '10, 19:41

Issy, nice new siggi

...are you trying to shoo ecchan away???

and you know...that man is busy with me and Ori already

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 14th, '10, 19:44

Yes... you all hate me...
Oh well *shrugs* nothing new... 2010 hates me too...

arakira · Post by **arakira** » Dec 14th, '10, 19:48

Nah, don't worry, I won't make a KDW siggi, too.

And you can feel safe till end of 2012, no??

Thanks for the MV!

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 14th, '10, 20:01

No, ladies, YOU can feel safe till the middle of 2012. The world may feel safe till the middle of 2012... After it I will, I will... Muahahaaa!!

OK, no problem. if I find anything else, I post it immediately.

Orion1986 · Post by **Orion1986** » Dec 14th, '10, 20:50

My own avatar and signature will be out later. And now me and Issy have a duel of our own. And if Ara is serious about him as well, we have to fight her too.
I'm a one-man lady and if he creeps in my heart, I'll have to fight you, women! How about a pillow or half-naked mud fight though? We can make some money too.

Archaenon · Post by **Archaenon** » Dec 14th, '10, 20:58

I like this show that much, that I have to stop and comment on every scene. I lacked doing it on early episodes, but now I have to. Beware Spoilers if you haven't seen up to 10.

http://archaenoncaps.tumblr.com/tagged/dramas

Orion1986 · Post by **Orion1986** » Dec 14th, '10, 21:55

I've fallen behind on the commenting too. Have to make a huge post about all that's happened.

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 14th, '10, 23:38

sorry E-chan (welcome back btw) for disturbing you but yes, me and ori were involved in our duel since last time and this guy kept us on our toes. and now to know Ara-chan is joining the fight over KDW? well, the more the merrier. but i am sad that we can't see him till 2012. only god knows what the future holds for us till then.

as for SG, are the subs are out for ep 9 and 10 yet? i enjoyed ep9 much more than ep10 but it seems that RI i having one more admirer added to the list. even though it started as pretend but it seems like they writing it to get for real.

ps. OJH is still my man. but i just decided to refresh my sigi from now on depending on my most recent mood and crushes. plus, OJH is still on his looooooooooooong break after Chuno

Helanite · Post by **Helanite** » Dec 14th, '10, 23:52

Issy! what are those pictures from that you have displayed on your post? the guy looks like some mighty nice eye-candy!

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 14th, '10, 23:58

Helanite wrote: Issy! what are those pictures from that you have displayed on your post? the guy looks like some mighty nice eye-candy!

You mean my sigi? it's from latest obsession the movie Duelist.

and yessss, I do think he is one mighty eye-candy. sorry E-chan

arakira · Post by **arakira** » Dec 15th, '10, 00:01

Helanite, the pictures are from duelist.

Issy, I had a crush on this guy for quite some time now, but don't worry, I'm not gonna claim him...you can fight this one out with Ori-rin

OJH, guess Namja Kimchee is keeping him busy...

According to the manager at viki, subs for 9 will get out tomorrow morning Califonia time.
10 will take a bit longer I guess.

Orion1986 · Post by **Orion1986** » Dec 15th, '10, 00:03

Ori is about to make her own avatar and siggi set. Not to mention her "marriage".
Do I have to kill Issy-kins now if I want him? Damn... I kinda liked her too...

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 15th, '10, 00:06

Ara-chan, you know that i have no problem sharing or fighting over my guys. right? so i don't mind. I started my crush on after watching his Jeon Woo Chi movie. but Duelist movie sealed the deal. he is one to keep.

Thanks for subs update. we will wait patiently then.

ori-chan, "do or die" dear.

you know what it means. right?

ps. maaan, i am in love with my own sigi.

shame on me.

Orion1986 · Post by **Orion1986** » Dec 15th, '10, 00:09

If that's how you want it, love. I haven't had a proper crush since the Princess last December. I won't let this one go. Especially when I can't have anyone else!

And here's my new set, which I still need to improve a bit. Now, if only Issy-kins would let me be happily married.

S'okay. I can wait...

I'll wait 2 years anyway.

Ecchan, cover your eyes, child!!! Don't look! Avoid the horror! I swear though, how can any woman find him more creepy than sexy in Duelist? I just don't get that, my love.

Then again, women find Ji Sub and Hyun Bin sexy, but I don't. *hides* We are weird creatures, humans... Ok, maybe it's time for sleep and SG therapy later today. Need it.

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 15th, '10, 06:16

Even Mishil wouldn't come up with such subterfuge...

s3xs1 · Post by **s3xs1** » Dec 15th, '10, 06:43

Issy wrote:sorry E-chan (welcome back btw) for disturbing you but yes, me and ori were involved in our duel since last time and this guy kept us on our toes. and now to know Ara-chan is joining the fight over KDW? well, the more the merrier. but i am sad that we can't see him till 2012. only god knows what the future holds for us till then.

as for SG, are the subs are out for ep 9 and 10 yet? i enjoyed ep9 much more than ep10 but it seems that RI i having one more admirer added to the list. even though it started as pretend but it seems like they writing it to get for real.

ps. OJH is still my man. but i just decided to refresh my sigi from now on depending on my most recent mood and crushes. plus, OJH is still on his looooooooooooong break after Chuno

The ones for episode 9 are out! ... & posted in the 1 post of that episode's release

Take care!

Archaenon · Post by **Archaenon** » Dec 15th, '10, 09:13

Issy wrote: ps. OJH is still my man. but i just decided to refresh my sigi from now on depending on my most recent mood and crushes. plus, OJH is still on his looooooooooooong break after Chuno

Oh! I was sure he was mine

I had him first *points to avatar*
He's been mine since 2002 .

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 15th, '10, 09:28

@Archaenon
Can't argue with this fact dear. Not the "he was mine" bit of course. As I said, he's still is my man but I go through stages of sudden crush and obsession when I discover a new amazing talent that I did not know about. That's why I decided that my sigi will be refreshed accordingly. And as I said, our OJH is very busy with his business at the moment. The guy needs to keep me on my toes. But if it makes you happy you can call me a traitor.

Thanks for subs update s3xs1

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 15th, '10, 17:10

Yeah, picspam a bit^^

Orion1986 · Post by **Orion1986** » Dec 15th, '10, 17:21

I love those two B&W pictures of Sang Hyun. My favorite part of the decor, actually.

P.S: Damn it! Now even the music from Duelist makes me hot! STOOOP MEEEEEE!!!!

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 15th, '10, 17:47

Orion1986 wrote:I love those two B&W pictures of Sang Hyun. My favorite part of the decor, actually.

P.S: Damn it! Now even the music from Duelist makes me hot! STOOOP MEEEEEE!!!!

You are NOT the only one dear.

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 15th, '10, 17:59

This is what I think what happened during that cold, dark week...

janajee · Post by **janajee** » Dec 16th, '10, 00:58

Ep. 9

I am still in love with this drama definitely.

janajee · Post by **janajee** » Dec 16th, '10, 05:19

Ep. 10

Totally loved this episode. Filled with awesomeness almost all the way

Viande · Post by **Viande** » Dec 16th, '10, 13:03

Ahh ep 9 and 10. ^^

Episode 9:

Episode 10:

hayoon2 · Post by **hayoon2** » Dec 16th, '10, 13:08

thank you

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 16th, '10, 13:19

Have no idea what for...

So, are we all hating Seul, right?
I usually have high tolerance for such characters, but she's just too much. he's hurting too, yet she's playing such a b*tch. But I like one thing in her - she admitted it honestly that she has no romantic interest in Juwon. Usually those girls in dramas at least pretend they're in love with guy.

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 16th, '10, 13:36

Ethlenn wrote:Have no idea what for...

So, are we all hating Seul, right?
I usually have high tolerance for such characters, but she's just too much. he's hurting too, yet she's playing such a b*tch. But I like one thing in her - she admitted it honestly that she has no romantic interest in Juwon. Usually those girls in dramas at least pretend they're in love with guy.

Yes. I give her that. But still this does not help me with me tolerating her on my screen. She just too much and annoying from ep1 that just her standing makes me angry. Let alone her talking. As I said, for my prefered ending I want her NOT ending up with oska. I love the guy enough not to want him suffer next to her. Plus, I find their previous love story and relationship a bit simple and shallow to make such a big fuss over it at present. Well, some more important stuff might be revealed later so might show the significance about their relation. But I don't think it will change my opinion of her much though.

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 16th, '10, 13:50

Well, yes. I don't quite understand all the fuss. They were together, they broke up in some nasty way without clearing the suspicions first, fine. Deal with it! people are in relationships and sometimes they break off, what's the big deal?
I don't want Oska to end with her neither. He's, overall, despite his behavior, a good guy. Too good for such loud idiot as her.
And one thing: when she was eavesdropping, when she heard Oska telling this other guy that Seul is only a plaything, the guy said she's practically a slut. I wonder if he made it up, or she was a bit of a player.

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 16th, '10, 14:34

Yes. I was Wondering about that too. And I was thinking if it was not true then she should have been angry about it and has defended herself in one way or another instead of just sinking in sadness. She was not that innocent girl to begin with anyway. Her comfronting that actor about liking oska clearly refelects her personality. There might be some element of truth in what he said.

Ps. I still can't get that " niiiice shat (not shot) ooopppa" that keeps echoing in my ears to stop.

Viande · Post by **Viande** » Dec 16th, '10, 15:15

I was wondering that too, it seemed like all she heard was that Oska wasn't serious about him. And besides it was Seul who didn't belive in the two of them. Even though Oska heard that crap about Seul, he still belived in her and proposed her.
Seul didn't even ask if he was serious, she just belived it all. And you know the saying that realtionship is all about trust. She apparently didn't have it so I doubt she really loved him, it was just her pride that got the hit.

Oska should be the one who's angry at her for playing with him when he was honest with her.

Myxale · Post by **Myxale** » Dec 16th, '10, 22:27

Watched 9 and 10 and agree with most of you here, that 9 was rather like the fist couple of episodes. Nothing new really.

Oska had some really good lines that he dished out to Joo Won and made him think! All in all I was not disappointed with 10 as with 9.

And true to his self, Joo Won managed again to be an complete as towards Gil Ra Im in the end after facing is mom.

Nothing new, just his weird logic and...well weirder logic. Sometimes I do think that I get his point of view..but then he does something even more ridiculous and dispels that illusion!

Have you guys seen the SG topic at Viki, there are pics of the Madness that is the tracksuit...seems all of Korea has gone Suited-up!!

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 16th, '10, 22:44

Yes, we know about that madness even if we don't follow viki thread. I posted some pics few pages back of it.

And am I the only one that found Ep 09 not boring?
I liked it, and as I said it before, I like Juwon's logic. It's hurtful, yes, but consistent and not as unstable as the one of Seul. She has some really weird logic.

And I hope the kid won't sign up the contract with Seul. I hope!!

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 16th, '10, 23:12

Ethlenn wrote:Yes, we know about that madness even if we don't follow viki thread. I posted some pics few pages back of it.

And am I the only one that found Ep 09 not boring?
I liked it, and as I said it before, I like Juwon's logic. It's hurtful, yes, but consistent and not as unstable as the one of Seul. She has some really weird logic.

And I hope the kid won't sign up the contract with Seul. I hope!!

boring? ep9?

NO WAY.
as i said before, i loved ep9 much more than ep10. i thought it was much better. it's always a delight for me to get tangled into JW's logic. i enjoy it too much and somehow i accept it with no argument when it comes out of his mouth.

ps. where is Ori-chan? last time she said she needed some help and got quiet. I'm worried about her. dancing with swords is no joking matter. hope she has not hurt herself.

Orion1986 · Post by **Orion1986** » Dec 16th, '10, 23:26

Ori had a guest today and some work in the morning for this fine day. We watched Duelist AND Jeon Woo Chi. Now we watched some 1% with mom. Dong Won goodness aaaall day! My heart!

I've watched 9 and 10 and do have some things to talk about, but I've just been a bit busy. Gotta make the Ahjusshi subs too. I'll be back in the afternoon with comments on that idiot, Kim Dol Chu.

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 16th, '10, 23:27

Ahaha!! That was a funny name for a caller, ddol chu, ahahaha!!

And I liked how he recorded the voice to the Smurf, hehe.

Priceless...
But I wonder

Peggy · Post by **Peggy** » Dec 17th, '10, 00:30

Ethlenn,
Small PM headed your way
Peg

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 17th, '10, 14:02

Wow, Peggy, that was a punch...

If anyone wants another bunch of pictures, they're under my sigi^^

Peggy · Post by **Peggy** » Dec 17th, '10, 16:59

Ethlenn.
Yes well it shook me. I decided I would not want to read the book. I rather like my own bubble and I dont' want to burst it. But it was a glaring arrangement of words.

Jav_sol · Post by **Jav_sol** » Dec 18th, '10, 02:19

I feel Seul & Oska go hand in hand. They're both liars and full of pride. They're not honest with themselves nor with each other. Both have shielded themselves against love: He's decided to become a "player", while she's decided to view marriage as a business.

Myxale wrote:Watched 9 and 10 and agree with most of you here, that 9 was rather like the fist couple of episodes. Nothing new really.

Yeah, it felt like the souls returning was premature. Neither character had changed, so they went through all their troubles for nothing.

Orion1986 · Post by **Orion1986** » Dec 18th, '10, 12:46

I actually beg to differ. With the switching that happened, they had to co-operate. They talk to each other more now and take more liberties. The changes were small but important.

You have to remember, he's the kind of guy who couldn't even have a beer with her because she had a messed up bag. At least now he tries to participate in her life a little more.
And Ra Im couldn't be near him without being either angry or sad, not to mention the sexual tention. She's more confident with everyone now, not just polite or defensive anymore.

They may not be huge changes, but people in real life rarely change as radically as they do in drama and even seemingly small changes can have a pretty big impact if crucial.
Kim Dol Chu has, in the tiniest amount, broken out of his own sick logic and now starts to actually feel the burn. He's heard insults before, but they now seem to actually hurt him.
And that's a very big step for this character. That he's starting to see how things really are and realize that his own logic might not be the logic that everyone else has as well.

I think the actors are doing an amazing job as showing the change and in very subtle ways. Dol Chu is softer now somehow. His looks, his whole body language is softer.
And Ra Im is acting more like a woman and less like a burly 18-wheeler driver. She's also more confident with him and also more interested in his world than just shunning it.

I actually love the fact that the changes weren't huge. Huge changes are often just a reaction to the crisis and quick to fade away because they are superficial and extreme.
But a tiny change in the way people perceive of themselves, of others and of situations can be permanent and only lead towards better and bigger changes in chain reaction.
Those tiny changes we see right now can be a single seed for a whole secret garden (heh) of improvements in the future. The characters learn and evolve and that's great.

So, comments on the episodes now...

First of all, let's go to Seul. Yes. She's a pathetic idiot. A lot of people get hurt, but they don't go all out to annoy the person that hurt them and I don't see Oska being a b*tch.
I think this whole song thing was good for her, if she learns from it. She got what she worked for. He finds her a monster who'd stoop as low as possible to get back at him.
I don't think Oska is a hypocrite at all though. He just adjusts depending on the person facing him. He responds to honesty with honesty and deceit with deceit. He's pure.

But I honestly hope they don't get back together. Oska did say something bad back then, but she didn't even consider why he said that and to whom. You don't go postal like that.
And Oska is not the kind of man to forgive dishonesty and lack of trust that easily. Not from the people he was honest to and showed his true self and feelings to. I don't think.

As for the "let's make Oska gay" thing, I wouldn't like it. It would just be an easy way to give Oska someone to like and it would feel like too much of a "meat market" thing.
And no matter what they throw in as fanservice or just to be bold, I don't think the writer would ever do that either. It's disrespectful to the characters to just pair them all up.
Now, one person that annoys me a bit, which I loved before, is Ah Young. It's fine to be flattered by a rich dude you think likes you and all, but his ASSISTANT IS YOUR MAN!!!

If you're going to be eyeing another guy, at least have the decency to tell the man that's been digging you for 5 damn years that you might not be that into him as a man or lover.
If you hurt that cute, adorable, handsome and kind Mr. Secretary and bring tears to his beautiful hazel eyes, I'm gonna get my Hellhounds and chase you to the ends of the World!

And let's not forget Mr. Ogre Kamdongnim. Isn't he just adorable? Aww. He was so fun when drunk! Priceless scenes btw. Hyun Bin and Philip were just awesome like that.
I think Ra Im's change and the fact she told him to ignore her temporary insanity, made him think she might be unstable because she likes him and doesn't know how to react.
Although Oska seems to be the only real rival in this whole thing, it's nice that the tall, dark and handsome kamdongnim is also there to put some fear in Kim Dol Chu's heart.

As for Oska and Ra Im, well, I'm glad things do slightly lean towards the romantic. Out of all the people in their lives right now, they are the only ones honest and open with each other.
I don't think they really do dig each other in a romantic sense, but when you appreciate and love someone as a human being, it's easy to mistake that for romantic feelings and all.
I think this will not only make Joo Won more scared of losing her, but it's also nice that she has someone to protect her from all this suffering she might have to endure soon enough.
And it's nice for Oska that someone closer to him than just another fan is trusting him and understanding him. She accepts him as a person, with all his faults and that must feel nice.
And she's not like his other fans who are just forgiving because he's an idol. By now, she's a friend of his and it's harder to accept such things when they are"closer to home" like that.

Concerning our main topic, Dol Chu and Ra Im, I like how things are going... Somewhat. She can now inflict pain upon him with her reactions and words. Couldn't do it much before.
And if she can hurt him when she's hurt or mad, then I hope she hurts him badly so he can start thinking more and more about what she is like that and what he's doing wrong in this.

I also like that he's now realizing he's not just studying or playing, but falling in love. Now, if only he can stop worrying about his mom, The Devil, and get a life of his damn own.

Urgh... Tired. Too big of a post.. Must rest now... I still have half of Ahjusshi to correct...

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 18th, '10, 14:30

I also said in my previous post that I did not see the point of switching after they got back to their bodies but on second watch with subs I have to agree with Ori-chan here. There were lots of small changes that could be seen in both RI and JW.
Still have not seen ep 10 with subs but I have to say I am now feel tiny little sympathy with Seul in term of her wanting Oska back. But still, don't wish for these two to end up together for reasons Ori-chan mentioned.
Oska is my favourite guy after JW and I do believe he is totally a good guy with much purer heart than JW.
Recently I have been getting lots and lots of palpitations. I am blaming Hyun Bin and sad eyes guy for it.

s3xs1 · Post by **s3xs1** » Dec 18th, '10, 16:21

Hi!

Episode 11 acquired. The problem is that I can't upload into the database ... annoying error. I will restart and try again.

If in 10 minutes I still can't upload it on my account ... I will let a team member upload the torrent file and I will be the seeder /// at least the 1 of them!

Take care!

~ L.E. : Thanks, co-seeders!

Orion1986 · Post by **Orion1986** » Dec 18th, '10, 17:40

I think I'm going crazy... Did they mention Won Bin again? Ahahaha! Not to mention I heard "Kang Dong Won" in there, but I'm SURE that's just my crazy mind... I need therapy...

As much as I'm curious about all that was said in the episode, I'm really curious about what he said when he was out with Ah Young and his assistant. What the heck did he do?
The poor boy's face was priceless! I swear, he must have said some pretty shocking things for his assistant to look that shocked. He was sweating and everything! Ahaha! Poor boy!

P.S: s3xs1, I'm helping with the seeding. ^^

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 18th, '10, 17:57

I will go on war against Juwon if he hurts my idiot.

And please, not Mr. Creepy. I can't take anymore, no, pweeeze...
*sobbing in the darkest corner of her 25 sq meters flat, after emptying the whole bottle of gin* I know, the world hates me. But this is just too much...

arakira · Post by **arakira** » Dec 19th, '10, 13:20

Hehe I just enjoy this series without thinking too much about it but I love to read your thoughts and insights.
Ori you practically summed it all up. Though I have to say I am wondering about Seul. What we've seen isn't enough of a reason to act that way, I wonder whether that other guy's told her more lies to make her come with him?! If not, I really really hope Oska'll wake up and just brush her off.
I like the teasing between the music kid and him but I'd never want them to start anything. Just keep it the way it is^^

Hehe and I'm starting to get used to the ogre, he's not half as scary as he used to be for me...poor sad beast! Hope he'll get to devour JW's sister

Ecchan, come here, I got another bottle and I won't scary you with any creepy guy

Ethlenn · Post by **Ethlenn** » Dec 19th, '10, 15:29

I start to not trust anyone. I was stabbed in the back so damn hard... by all I trusted the most, by my fellow Thorns...
But you know I'm eas... uhmm... eager for an alcohol, so I'm packing my suitcase!

Oska albums covers:

They created the fully operational fantasy world. I'm impressed.

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Dec 19th, '10, 15:34

Ethlenn wrote:I start to not trust anyone. I was stabbed in the back so damn hard...
But you know I'm eas... uhmm... eager for an alcohol, so I'm packing my suitcase!

I have a surprise, wait...

awwwww, poor E-chan. may I ask by who?

Suprise??? gimme gimee gimme

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