Il Ji Mae (SBS, 2008)
@Sak,
There's political intrigue and tragic stuff, but the story is really about a hot blooded, clownish boy who dreams of being a hero. His (step) parents love him but think he's kinda hopeless. Yet through his fighting spirit and a set of tests, he will become that hero, somebody everybody will be proud of. His future rival is a cold, but tortured man who end up doing anything to raise himself out of his humble origins. The story is essentially broken down into cool little missions that emphasizes planning, will, and really cool toys. As he completes each mission, he learns more about his true origins and in turn will eventually face (defeat?) the Ultimate Boss. At that point, Iljimae will have fully come of age and become The Hero that he dreamed of as a callow, lazy youth.
Iljimae plays more like a live anime, especially a "shonen"/boy's comic story. The character development is very thin (in spite of all the tragedies, our future Iljimae seems to have a short emotional memory!), and there hasn't been many scenes (though that seems to change with episode 9!) where any of the four leads develop a rapport with each other, stuff that we take for granted in K-drama, be it trendy or sageuks.really like this drama, a lot more than Hong Gil Dong. Why ? maybe i just prefer those characters... seems a lot like but different, dunno why :p
There's political intrigue and tragic stuff, but the story is really about a hot blooded, clownish boy who dreams of being a hero. His (step) parents love him but think he's kinda hopeless. Yet through his fighting spirit and a set of tests, he will become that hero, somebody everybody will be proud of. His future rival is a cold, but tortured man who end up doing anything to raise himself out of his humble origins. The story is essentially broken down into cool little missions that emphasizes planning, will, and really cool toys. As he completes each mission, he learns more about his true origins and in turn will eventually face (defeat?) the Ultimate Boss. At that point, Iljimae will have fully come of age and become The Hero that he dreamed of as a callow, lazy youth.
Thanks for answering me Morphine & Belleza ..... I did wonder if I was going mad ... everywhere I read like on dramabean and wiki, Anyhow now I can carry on without this bugging me.
BTW does anyone know if the kid that played the younger Yong starred in anything before this? I am sure I have seen him somewhere but I can't place him.
BTW does anyone know if the kid that played the younger Yong starred in anything before this? I am sure I have seen him somewhere but I can't place him.
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This series was draggy in the beginning, and I admit that I kind of gave up on it for a bit. I usually skipped through eps which I didn't have subs for and not really pay attention to them. I'm all caught up on subs & raw now, and I just have to comment on episode 6 & 7 now I've watched them with subs,
Also contains spoilers all the way up to the latest raw: 16:
Also contains spoilers all the way up to the latest raw: 16:
Iljimae lacks the character development of Hong Gil Dong and most other sageuks. The only texture in the relationships involves the two half-brother and his parents. Outside of it, the emotional entanglements feel kinda like something you'd seen in banjun dramas. It's there, but only on the surface.I like this drama, but somehow it has too many similarity to Hong Gil Dong (which I don't find bad).
BUT . . . this is also much funner than Hong Gil Dong, and most dramas this year. Basically, the story is just an excuse for Iljimae to execute missions, and the missions are really cool (esp. episode 9 . . . pork skin?!? ewww!!) And it's fun watching Lee Jung Ki in smarmy, sneaky mode, playing the callow youth who's also apparently a genius thief. In episode 9+10, we finally see all the triangles finally brew, and it's a nice break from the real fun. Ultimate Ninja Iljimae stealing stuff from rich people with crap beards!!
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well, I think that Iljimae does change personality! but in fron of the folk of course he doesn'y show it. First, he does not want to make suspicous about his real identity and also he doesn't want his father to realize that Geom recovered his memory. So he act as before of knowing the truth.
Why he still on the gang?? he has a high moral judgemnt and that's why he hits his own leg instead of the child. but he need to stay with them cuz the gang has acces to the noble's houses. where he want to go see what they have and analize the territory.
I think LJK has really evolved his character, I really cry when poor geom has to do something or cry in his dad's back. He really suffers inside and try to hide it from everybody else to protect his identity.
I think that the character will probably have another personality change when the gang's captain and other friends find out that LJK is Iljimae. * as we can see in the first ep. He's planning the robery with another 3 guys*
so I think that the character is actually well developped =9 and has enough reasons to keep going with the gangs.
Why he still on the gang?? he has a high moral judgemnt and that's why he hits his own leg instead of the child. but he need to stay with them cuz the gang has acces to the noble's houses. where he want to go see what they have and analize the territory.
I think LJK has really evolved his character, I really cry when poor geom has to do something or cry in his dad's back. He really suffers inside and try to hide it from everybody else to protect his identity.
I think that the character will probably have another personality change when the gang's captain and other friends find out that LJK is Iljimae. * as we can see in the first ep. He's planning the robery with another 3 guys*
so I think that the character is actually well developped =9 and has enough reasons to keep going with the gangs.
I think what I'm missing is a few scenes where Yong broods over his adopted parents. Something that says "now I know he's not my real dad, and she's not my real mom. How do I feel about them taking care of me all these years?" Especially between him and his adopted mother Dani, who's put up so much with him.First, he does not want to make suspicous about his real identity and also he doesn't want his father to realize that Geom recovered his memory. So he act as before of knowing the truth.
I think it's the same thing, where I kinda wish we saw Yong brood over doing stuff he hates.Why he still on the gang?? he has a high moral judgemnt and that's why he hits his own leg instead of the child. but he need to stay with them cuz the gang has acces to the noble's houses. where he want to go see what they have and analize the territory.
@Sak,
Yeah, it sounds like I'm really critical about the show, but I think it's a lot of fun. I've watched a few fusion dramas, so for me I'm not really comparing it with Hong Gil Dong. HGD had good writing, but the direction wasn't good at all. Until the 2nd half of the story settled into being more of a traditional saguek, the fusion bits was just distracting. This adaptation of Iljimae is very cartoony but also good in that way. Even with the palace intrigue, it still doesn't feel like a sageuk at all. More like a Korean Naruto?
Man... i am luving this drama...junki is so damb cute and his acting is awsome...however i seriously don't want eun chae the other girl to be with him....I want bong soon to be with him...when they are together everything is so much more interesting and they make a cute couple. ...also they met eachother first and i really like her character. Eun chae's character is just a goody good girl who cares for anyone, acts like she's the most inoccent and beloved girl in there and is so high and mighty ...it's getting annoying seeing her smile everytime she talks even when it's a serious matter. And don't get me wrong she's one of my favorite actresses...i just don't like her character in here....I know that young - ee and boong soon won't end up together..i kno that will be the only reason why i will be disipointed at the end....however i still love this drama...(my sis not watching it only because she knows young - ee and bong soon won't be together) I kno it sounds silly, but she really does not want to see young- ee and eun chae to be together....
I think Iljimae is the first K-drama I've seen where the first 3-4 episodes weren't very good, but all of the later episodes are like "holy crap! must watch TV!!" By episode 9, everything has suddenly come together in a way that you didn't think would happen, and now it's humming along with strong momentum episode to episode.
Thoughts on Episode 11 . . .
Thoughts on Episode 12 . . .
Thoughts on Episode 11 . . .
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Sorry i can't help u with that....I don't know anything about it..however If you wanna watch iljimae quickly and nicely and not have to waste any effort on downloading. You should go to crunchyroll where there are dramas and anime etc uploaded, almost like youtube, but for dramas etc. Episode 13 and 14 are already loaded and have good sub titles. I make the screen big and it looks just like i am watching it on a DVD. It's being uploaded faster than the subs on D-addicts are being released.. Ohpe i helped. it's just a suggestion that will save you time to watch Iljimae! i am totally loving it...everythings is so exciting and i can't wait untill everything is reveiled! keep posted.. ^___^quotie wrote:I'm having trouble with subtitles for episode 13. Every line appears double on my screen. What did I wrong?
Edit: Found it, all lines were double inside the .srt file
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Now after epsiode 8 Iljimae has gotten LOTSA better. But maybe too fast? I kinda feel that the beginning was so depressingly disappointing that nothing can compensate it. NOTHING! The fact that they didn't give Young-ae's character enough time to make impact on vievers drives me mad. I mean, from the very beginning his character was a bit weird, distant, I couldn't tell what he was thinking. I wished for him to be more understandable, more pitful, more deep, more everything. I like his twofaceness. He is brilliant right now. The way he fools everyone is amusing. I also like that he is a lonley wolf right now, working alone is a bit sad. It makes him even more pitful and likable... Though in ep11 and 12 his injuries healed too fast <_< he had fever and suddenly he didn't have it anymore? Also why did he have to go make a move even though he was badly injured. Wouldn't it have been more clever to not appear and make the guards anxious?
Plot sure is messed up, so shady. I think I didn't follow carefully enough and sometimes I feel like wtf is going on here but it's not that difficult to keep up. Though the way it started suddenly advancing sure scares me a bit. I feel like I won't be able to digest it either later on. I have heard about the ending and now that I found out that they were willing to make it longer but ran out of money? Who's fault is that? No one else's than screenwriter's and director's they shouldn't have made the beginning so slow in the first place. And now it's a mess. Iljimae is searching for a sword, at first it was celar but then he started thieving all the stuffs like that tortoise. As if he was putting up a show for nothing and because of that almost got caught. I only found out later that he was stealing from only the men involved in his father's death. Yeah, I'm so stupid that didn't get it right away. But they didn't show how he came up with his plans. I wonder what's he planning next?
Sae Dol's story about Iljime's death was so brilliant xD Also that octopus thing Young-ae came up with was funny.
Plot sure is messed up, so shady. I think I didn't follow carefully enough and sometimes I feel like wtf is going on here but it's not that difficult to keep up. Though the way it started suddenly advancing sure scares me a bit. I feel like I won't be able to digest it either later on. I have heard about the ending and now that I found out that they were willing to make it longer but ran out of money? Who's fault is that? No one else's than screenwriter's and director's they shouldn't have made the beginning so slow in the first place. And now it's a mess. Iljimae is searching for a sword, at first it was celar but then he started thieving all the stuffs like that tortoise. As if he was putting up a show for nothing and because of that almost got caught. I only found out later that he was stealing from only the men involved in his father's death. Yeah, I'm so stupid that didn't get it right away. But they didn't show how he came up with his plans. I wonder what's he planning next?
Sae Dol's story about Iljime's death was so brilliant xD Also that octopus thing Young-ae came up with was funny.
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hi!
this is the recap of episode 20 =)
if you read it everything is gonna be clear that's was I did after watching the raw version of Iljimae's last two episodes
http://sevenses.wordpress.com/2008/07/2 ... -20-recap/
I was so lost after watching the raw but this made my day ^^
Im sure this will help you a lot =)
kisses!
this is the recap of episode 20 =)
if you read it everything is gonna be clear that's was I did after watching the raw version of Iljimae's last two episodes
http://sevenses.wordpress.com/2008/07/2 ... -20-recap/
I was so lost after watching the raw but this made my day ^^
Im sure this will help you a lot =)
kisses!
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omg!! Thanks thanks thanks a lot!!Christabel wrote:hi!
this is the recap of episode 20 =)
if you read it everything is gonna be clear that's was I did after watching the raw version of Iljimae's last two episodes
http://sevenses.wordpress.com/2008/07/2 ... -20-recap/
I was so lost after watching the raw but this made my day ^^
Im sure this will help you a lot =)
kisses!
this really made my day..
when i finished this drama i was like O.O cuz i didn`t quite get the ending.. but reading this recap cleared lots of messy stuff goin` around in my head
now~~ u saved me lots of thinking & imaginig.. LOL
i don`t think there will be a SP right? those koreans reaaaally like to torture us by their open endings ><
oh well.. let`s just pray for another season after Junki is back from the army~
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fxck yeah! I know!! why they dont copy japanese specials?? they would earn a lot of money! sniff! I really hope they'll make an Iljimae special! the ending its to fxcking open sniff!
but well...maybe a movie! that would be so great@ lets pray it! Oh MY GACKT!! please listen to us sniff
btw, =P it was a pleasure ^^ no need to thanks ^^
but well...maybe a movie! that would be so great@ lets pray it! Oh MY GACKT!! please listen to us sniff
btw, =P it was a pleasure ^^ no need to thanks ^^
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aaaaaaaaah..
i was so frustrated cuz of the end of TBD&W & i thought maybe Iljimae would have a rather interesting ending but it was a BIG NO for me
a movie? i don`t think.. none of the Kdramas had a sequal movie ( or atleast the ones i know ) but probably a SP.. hopefully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
plz plz plzzzzz.. SBS producers!! desperete fans here just can`t get enough of Iljimae!!
*we must not lose hope <3*
i was so frustrated cuz of the end of TBD&W & i thought maybe Iljimae would have a rather interesting ending but it was a BIG NO for me
a movie? i don`t think.. none of the Kdramas had a sequal movie ( or atleast the ones i know ) but probably a SP.. hopefully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
plz plz plzzzzz.. SBS producers!! desperete fans here just can`t get enough of Iljimae!!
*we must not lose hope <3*
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lolz loved this drama :], one of the better kdramas ive seen lately.
haha, ending yea, its basically similar to hong gil dong, its a legend so they usually dont say whether the hero dies or lives >.> but seeing from the last ending scene, he lives?
btw, did eun chae find out that geomee is iljimae o_o and did geomee ever see his real mom again?
ToT kinda confused on that part.
ah overall, loved it
haha, ending yea, its basically similar to hong gil dong, its a legend so they usually dont say whether the hero dies or lives >.> but seeing from the last ending scene, he lives?
btw, did eun chae find out that geomee is iljimae o_o and did geomee ever see his real mom again?
ToT kinda confused on that part.
ah overall, loved it
i really love Iljimae except i have to go through such ending... i've been depressed because of the ending for weeks now... and i already re-watched the whole 19 episodes for 3 times now, but i still don't have any gut to re-watch the ending all over again... even we all know that
but i've been depressed about a lot of things in the last episode...
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maakopla wrote:I don't get what's the ruckus about the ending. For me it was crystal clear.Anyways. The ending wrapped it up pretty nicely. Though last minutes were as lame as they were in episode 1. I wonder from what kinda underground laboratory Iljimae came from? xD
yup, you are right...
the one that i bold in the spoiler is what make me depressed the most... it's not as if the ending either unclear or not... i understand them all long before the sub was released... it's just that the ending really depressed me... i hate when the lovers didn't fight for their love...
i don't really care at all if he died or not, i already get used to this dying parody in korean dramas....
I kinda have to say i agree with you...the reason i do like th ending is offcourse because iljimae did not die and none of my other favorite characters died, and the fact that the main bad guys like the king and eun cha's father were not killed is actually amazing. Also i am happy that iljimae did not end up with eun cha, thats what i really thought was gonna happen. I wanted him with bong soon. But since she's alive i am happy, that means she has a chance with him... But i don't like the fact that everyone thinks he's dead (welll maybe that's what makes it more interesting.) however they should have shown more of what happens...like what happens after those four years..and why is he still robbing...who helped save him when he was slashed from the back? Is he purposely hiding him self from his friends and family, and who knows he's alive? And i wanted to see more brotherly talk between iljimae and his brother....I feel disappointed only for those reasons..however it's not as bad as some people said...Christabel wrote:you didnt like TBDAW ending?? O_O!! OMG! I think its great!! it s such agood ending!!
I just loved it hehe, however, we all have different taste =P
Also the ending was very different from other k dramas were the bad guys is killed or the main character who fights so hard at the end finally gets killed by the bad guys who later gets killed by some else. OR both lovers fight so hard and eventually get together...In reality it's would be almost impossible...so iljimae not ending up with eun chae made it seems more real and the fact they ended with what it started with made sense, because in teh beginning i was like what...what's happenign here...so it connected the ending with the beginning...and u go..oh so thats after when everyone thinks he's dead..well i think mostly everyone. In the last cap he looks more confident and stronger. His pysic is put more together and has now truley transformed into ILJIMAE!.
Overall this is still one hell of an amazing drama...everything was put togethere so well..thigns didn't occur out of no where..there was always an explination....everyone did an great job acting out their charcters. ....AND Damb! junki did once again did an awsome adn outstanding job and ONCE AGAIN PROVED HIS TRUE TALENT TO ALL HIS FANS! I REALLY HOPE THAT THERE IS A SQUEL, MOVIE OR SPECIAL!
BUT I HAVE A FEELING WE WON'T BE SEEING ANYMORE DRAMAS OF JUNKI'S UNTIL HE GOES TO THE ARMY NEXT YEAR AND COMES BACK TWO YEARS LATER...DAMN...MAN THAT'S TOO LONG TO WAIT..HEY BUT I GUESS THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO..IT'S BETTER HE GOES NOW THAN LATER....JUNKI!!!! FIGHTING!
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4everU wrote:
I kinda have to say i agree with you...the reason i do like th ending is offcourse because iljimae did not die and none of my other favorite characters died, and the fact that the main bad guys like the king and eun cha's father were not killed is actually amazing. Also i am happy that iljimae did not end up with eun cha, thats what i really thought was gonna happen. I wanted him with bong soon. But since she's alive i am happy, that means she has a chance with him... But i don't like the fact that everyone thinks he's dead (welll maybe that's what makes it more interesting.) however they should have shown more of what happens...like what happens after those four years..and why is he still robbing...who helped save him when he was slashed from the back? Is he purposely hiding him self from his friends and family, and who knows he's alive? And i wanted to see more brotherly talk between iljimae and his brother....I feel disappointed only for those reasons..however it's not as bad as some people said....
Overall this is still one hell of an amazing drama...everything was put togethere so well..thigns didn't occur out of no where..there was always an explination. Damb junki did once again an awsome job and ONCE AGAIN PROVED HIS TRUE TALENT TO ALL HIS FANS! I REALLY HOPE THAT THERE IS A SQUEL, MOVIE OR SPECIAL!
BUT I HAVE A FEELING WE WON'T BE SEEING ANYMORE DRAMAS OF JUNKI'S UNTIL HE GOES TO THE ARMY NEXT YEAR AND COMES BACK TWO YEARS LATER...DAMN...MAN THAT'S TOO LONG TO WAIT..HEY BUT I GUESS THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO..IT'S BETTER HE GOES NOW THAN LATER....JUNKI!!!! FIGHTING!
i am almost to get over iljimae fever... i am waiting patiently for Haeundae since it may be his last work before reporting himself for military service (even i'm still hoping for at least, please, for at least another drama whatsoever... hoping and praying...).
crocus wrote:4everU wrote:
I kinda have to say i agree with you...the reason i do like th ending is offcourse because iljimae did not die and none of my other favorite characters died, and the fact that the main bad guys like the king and eun cha's father were not killed is actually amazing. Also i am happy that iljimae did not end up with eun cha, thats what i really thought was gonna happen. I wanted him with bong soon. But since she's alive i am happy, that means she has a chance with him... But i don't like the fact that everyone thinks he's dead (welll maybe that's what makes it more interesting.) however they should have shown more of what happens...like what happens after those four years..and why is he still robbing...who helped save him when he was slashed from the back? Is he purposely hiding him self from his friends and family, and who knows he's alive? And i wanted to see more brotherly talk between iljimae and his brother....I feel disappointed only for those reasons..however it's not as bad as some people said....
Overall this is still one hell of an amazing drama...everything was put togethere so well..thigns didn't occur out of no where..there was always an explination. Damb junki did once again an awsome job and ONCE AGAIN PROVED HIS TRUE TALENT TO ALL HIS FANS! I REALLY HOPE THAT THERE IS A SQUEL, MOVIE OR SPECIAL!
BUT I HAVE A FEELING WE WON'T BE SEEING ANYMORE DRAMAS OF JUNKI'S UNTIL HE GOES TO THE ARMY NEXT YEAR AND COMES BACK TWO YEARS LATER...DAMN...MAN THAT'S TOO LONG TO WAIT..HEY BUT I GUESS THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO..IT'S BETTER HE GOES NOW THAN LATER....JUNKI!!!! FIGHTING!
i am almost to get over iljimae fever... i am waiting patiently for Haeundae since it may be his last work before reporting himself for military service (even i'm still hoping for at least, please, for at least another drama whatsoever... hoping and praying...).
same here honey....JUST hoping....one more would be great....let it be a gift to alll his fans before leaving...however this time i would love him to play a main character in a romanic drama...most of his dramas...wait he has really only done three..which two were only really his. I just realized...junki has bearly made many films/dramas however he has become amazingly so popular if not the most popular korean/asian actor. It's because i believe he is so determined and his gorgeous face attracts everyone and also he is sure one damb great actor. Just watching one film or drama will convince anyone..onlyl if they are not blind.... He deserves one more drama...if he's going next years meaning in january or later in 2009, than he has a coupel of months...i believe a really good and interesting drama can be produced. Action ones takes longer..because there is more training,,however if he does a romantic/comedy...or wutever, than it can be compeleted. JUNKI is always really to start acting! PLEASE JUNKI ONE MORE!
it would be so hot if he looked like this for a main character in a new drama .
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I agree wid you~ it was like he had a split personalitie, and it really did feel like he was an acto serious person actin foolish so people want suspect him to be iljimae and thats what made him even more loveable ^_____^ im gonna miss this dramakurodreams wrote:i didnt think youngee was that foolish >.>
he had like two personalities, foolish one to hide his real identity, geomee,
after he gained his memories he was rather more serious.
OMG...sorry...but how can u not be a big fan of junki. ..this drama was awsome...but junki's acting and himself made the drama a million times more worth watching!haruna_hamasaki wrote:My confusion for the last episode:
I really love the storyline and all the casts (except that I'm not a big fan of Jun-ki) but I don't really like how Iljimae ended.
I totally agree! The plot was very interesting but it was Junki's acting what made this drama so awesome I must admit that he is very talented actor (when I first saw him I though that he will be another handsome boy in a drama without acting skills. I'm so happy that I was wrong!)4everU wrote:this drama was awesome...but junki's acting and himself made the drama a million times more worth watching!
I know already that I will watch this drama over and over again just like time between dog and wolf
That's wut i really thought at first..but when i started to see his acting...i was blown..i was like not is he a pretty face but a damn goo ass actor...woooow! And I WILL FOR SURE WATCH ILJIMAE OVER AND OVER AGAIN LIKE I DID WITH TIME BETWEEN D&W....I WANT TO BUY THE DVD.Silent. wrote:I totally agree! The plot was very interesting but it was Junki's acting what made this drama so awesome I must admit that he is very talented actor (when I first saw him I though that he will be another handsome boy in a drama without acting skills. I'm so happy that I was wrong!)4everU wrote:this drama was awesome...but junki's acting and himself made the drama a million times more worth watching!
I know already that I will watch this drama over and over again just like time between dog and wolf
What you said was a good thing. But in a way a hero is supposed to die in the end in order to become a legend. So I was a bit disappointed that iljiame didn't die. I thought his motto "Not to kill anyone anymore" was good but that made him somewhat too pure. A hero should be a bit dirty like Batman.kinda have to say i agree with you...the reason i do like th ending is offcourse because iljimae did not die and none of my other favorite characters died, and the fact that the main bad guys like the king and eun cha's father were not killed is actually amazing. Also i am happy that iljimae did not end up with eun cha, thats what i really thought was gonna happen. I wanted him with bong soon. But since she's alive i am happy, that means she has a chance with him...
I kinda liked Eun Chae's father. I don't think he was that bad at all. He was just stupid. The king made a good use of him so I kinda pitied the man.
It was pretty unusual to let the king live even after all he had done all those bad deeds but they should have at least changed him to someone else. It was totally obvious that he was not able to be king anymore. He became very weak and that clashed with the way how hard it actually was to remain at the trone. Of course most of his fears were just illusions and he killed the most dangerous men while being sane but still. Those mandarins and other men wouldn't let insane and weak man like that remain the king. And his strongest supporter Chul had died too so no one would protect him anymore.
I know that the director himself said that Kong He bought another pair of the shoes for iljiame but why did he shout "Where has she gone off to again?" after receiving them. Or is this a silly mistake of the translator? He obviously meant Bong Soo.
wow..first time heard someone say...he should haved died...true about a hero having to be somewut dirty...but that's the whole unqiuness of this drama...the hero is not dirty..and a real hero i believe is someone who never hurts anyone (kill( because if u do u are like the rest...and the hero dying at the end makes it seem like..."no matter what u did, u still died..and those who u saved are in danger again..so haha...so him being alive wihtotu telling anyone...makes it different...everyone thinks he's a legend and is dead...but when someone is a legend and is alive is another thing! (I hope i made sence)maakopla wrote:What you said was a good thing. But in a way a hero is supposed to die in the end in order to become a legend. So I was a bit disappointed that iljiame didn't die. I thought his motto "Not to kill anyone anymore" was good but that made him somewhat too pure. A hero should be a bit dirty like Batman.kinda have to say i agree with you...the reason i do like th ending is offcourse because iljimae did not die and none of my other favorite characters died, and the fact that the main bad guys like the king and eun cha's father were not killed is actually amazing. Also i am happy that iljimae did not end up with eun cha, thats what i really thought was gonna happen. I wanted him with bong soon. But since she's alive i am happy, that means she has a chance with him...
I kinda liked Eun Chae's father. I don't think he was that bad at all. He was just stupid. The king made a good use of him so I kinda pitied the man.
It was pretty unusual to let the king live even after all he had done all those bad deeds but they should have at least changed him to someone else. It was totally obvious that he was not able to be king anymore. He became very weak and that clashed with the way how hard it actually was to remain at the trone. Of course most of his fears were just illusions and he killed the most dangerous men while being sane but still. Those mandarins and other men wouldn't let insane and weak man like that remain the king. And his strongest supporter Chul had died too so no one would protect him anymore.
I know that the director himself said that Kong He bought another pair of the shoes for iljiame but why did he shout "Where has she gone off to again?" after receiving them. Or is this a silly mistake of the translator? He obviously meant Bong Soo.
Hehe Me too! I like it very much! Thanx!4everU wrote:AWWWWWWWWWW! Silent, i love junki 's animation pics that you have...he looks so damb cute...like the hair style!
I agree. If he would died at the end this whole story would be meaningless (as for me).4everU wrote:wow..first time heard someone say...he should haved died...true about a hero having to be somewut dirty...but that's the whole unqiuness of this drama...the hero is not dirty..and a real hero i believe is someone who never hurts anyone (kill( because if u do u are like the rest...and the hero dying at the end makes it seem like..."no matter what u did, u still died..and those who u saved are in danger again..so haha...so him being alive wihtotu telling anyone...makes it different...everyone thinks he's a legend and is dead...but when someone is a legend and is alive is another thing!
The hero must live to be ready to kick the asses of another bad guys which can appear in the future
And he was a bit dirty - coz he was a burglar
EDIT: Do you guys know when will be subs for iljimae morning special?
hehehe...exactly honey!.Silent. wrote:Hehe Me too! I like it very much! Thanx!4everU wrote:AWWWWWWWWWW! Silent, i love junki 's animation pics that you have...he looks so damb cute...like the hair style!
I agree. If he would died at the end this whole story would be meaningless (as for me).4everU wrote:wow..first time heard someone say...he should haved died...true about a hero having to be somewut dirty...but that's the whole unqiuness of this drama...the hero is not dirty..and a real hero i believe is someone who never hurts anyone (kill( because if u do u are like the rest...and the hero dying at the end makes it seem like..."no matter what u did, u still died..and those who u saved are in danger again..so haha...so him being alive wihtotu telling anyone...makes it different...everyone thinks he's a legend and is dead...but when someone is a legend and is alive is another thing!
The hero must live to be ready to kick the asses of another bad guys which can appear in the future
And he was a bit dirty - coz he was a burglar
EDIT: Do you guys know when will be subs for iljimae morning special?
@ 4everU Don't cry honey, just re-watch it!
I've finally watched ep 19 and I must say that someone really screwed it. Not whole episode, but the part when Iljimae is in the palace.
How could Yongee dressed as Iljimae walk inside of palace gate in a bright day without mask on his face and no one of guards saw him? Could someone explain it to me? Coz for me it's stupid
And the best part was when his and his mother eyes meet. So touching. It gives hope that they will meet coz his mother knows how they call him and she knows how he looks. (I hope she won't die in the last ep... )
I've finally watched ep 19 and I must say that someone really screwed it. Not whole episode, but the part when Iljimae is in the palace.
How could Yongee dressed as Iljimae walk inside of palace gate in a bright day without mask on his face and no one of guards saw him? Could someone explain it to me? Coz for me it's stupid
And the best part was when his and his mother eyes meet. So touching. It gives hope that they will meet coz his mother knows how they call him and she knows how he looks. (I hope she won't die in the last ep... )
oh..he changed his dressing everytime he entered the palace..he was dresses as one of the guards along with friends who were helping him...when he got into teh palace that's where he would changed quickly. And at the times he came out with the mask no one was there. and if someone saw him he would ovisouly escape....(LOLs...i will watch it again...i wasn't really crying...it was just to show that i miss iljimae! ).Silent. wrote:@ 4everU Don't cry honey, just re-watch it!
I've finally watched ep 19 and I must say that someone really screwed it. Not whole episode, but the part when Iljimae is in the palace.
How could Yongee dressed as Iljimae walk inside of palace gate in a bright day without mask on his face and no one of guards saw him? Could someone explain it to me? Coz for me it's stupid
And the best part was when his and his mother eyes meet. So touching. It gives hope that they will meet coz his mother knows how they call him and she knows how he looks. (I hope she won't die in the last ep... )
But stil. Even if he was sneaking around it was weird that in the middle of the day no one noticed him. Where were guards they shoudl be ptarollin all over? Usually on the "castle' ground" there should be a lot of slaves/guards/workers.
In a way it was actually meaningless the way it was. King didn't die and didn't step down from the throne. Things were back to what they were in the beginning. Though now the king was just crazy. No way how much I look at the script and try to like it I just can't. If Iljimae died it would have been meaningless and when he didn't die it all was still meaningless. I mean. What was the whole purpose of this drama? Screenwriter started so many subplots but then forgot about them. What about new king? What about corrupted government? The only difference between the ending and the beginning was that at the ending people had a hero to talk about. And what's the difference if Iljimae dies now or later. He will die one day for sure so...
Then again in a way this drama got a proper ending because from the start Young-ae just wanted to catch the man who killed his father and make him apologize in front of that titis tree. But I feel like this isn't satisfying enough. I feel like it's too simple.
I agree. If he would died at the end this whole story would be meaningless
In a way it was actually meaningless the way it was. King didn't die and didn't step down from the throne. Things were back to what they were in the beginning. Though now the king was just crazy. No way how much I look at the script and try to like it I just can't. If Iljimae died it would have been meaningless and when he didn't die it all was still meaningless. I mean. What was the whole purpose of this drama? Screenwriter started so many subplots but then forgot about them. What about new king? What about corrupted government? The only difference between the ending and the beginning was that at the ending people had a hero to talk about. And what's the difference if Iljimae dies now or later. He will die one day for sure so...
But that makes this drama very naive. There can't be a pure good in this world. I think that it was a beautiful idea that Iljiame didn't kill anyone because he wanted to stop killing. But since he didn't kill a soul it made the whole stuff unrealistic. Then why put him into fighting scenes? (he looked like a little monkey jumping on the walls) Why not just make him sneak and make audience hold thier breath with scenes like him almost getting caught and stuff. Some fighting scenes were good but some just ridiculous especially those when there were like 10 guards vs. one Iljimae. I would have wanted to see more one on one fighting.the hero is not dirty..and a real hero i believe is someone who never hurts anyone (kill( because if u do u are like the rest...and the hero dying at the end makes it seem like..."no matter what u did, u still died..and those who u saved are in danger again..
Then again in a way this drama got a proper ending because from the start Young-ae just wanted to catch the man who killed his father and make him apologize in front of that titis tree. But I feel like this isn't satisfying enough. I feel like it's too simple.
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He didn't kill? Then what did he throw at the guards that put them on the ground when he was chasing down the king? I couldn't see what items were used. I just assumed its darts he used to throw at the paper. And doesn't darts kill?
Anyhow, I liked the idea of a hero that doesn’t kill. Because I am pretty sure there are people like him that exist in this world.
If he killed the king...then what? The kingdom will collapses and more people would get hurt, especially those that he loves. And neither of them Iljimae or his brother is suit to be the king. And I am pretty sure none of those nobles will listen to them. So instead, he will forever stay by as king's shadow; keeping him straight like he should have been in first place as a king.
And of course we all know revenge doesn't make person feel better usually. Iljimae is better than that, and he is following his ideal that's all.
Anyhow, yeah I will miss this series. It's first k-drama where it got me on the edge, wanting to watch the next ep so badly. I think if I will ever buy DVD of k-drama, this will be the first one. Even though the ending isn't what I wanted, but everyone's alive so it's all good. Rest will be left to our imagine. ^^
Anyhow, I liked the idea of a hero that doesn’t kill. Because I am pretty sure there are people like him that exist in this world.
If he killed the king...then what? The kingdom will collapses and more people would get hurt, especially those that he loves. And neither of them Iljimae or his brother is suit to be the king. And I am pretty sure none of those nobles will listen to them. So instead, he will forever stay by as king's shadow; keeping him straight like he should have been in first place as a king.
And of course we all know revenge doesn't make person feel better usually. Iljimae is better than that, and he is following his ideal that's all.
Anyhow, yeah I will miss this series. It's first k-drama where it got me on the edge, wanting to watch the next ep so badly. I think if I will ever buy DVD of k-drama, this will be the first one. Even though the ending isn't what I wanted, but everyone's alive so it's all good. Rest will be left to our imagine. ^^
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I've finally watched the last ep
Well... I must say that it wasn't what I though it will be... To many unfinished things...
Like this series would need few episodes more to clear that story. I've been left with too many question without an answer.
One obvious thing for me is that he didn't die People in the village were talking that he died but the scene of breaking into palace again was in the first ep and he was talking back then to Ajik and Dae Shik. So he was alive
And the best and most touching scene for me was when he was struggling with opening the lock and Sol Dol appeared. I'm so happy that he had his minute in the last episode (even if as a Yongee imaginary)
I'm really happy that Shi Hoo helped him. I was wondering almost all the time since he discovered that the person which was supposed to be his father is not one in reality why Danee wasn't telling him the truth about his father. And now *BANG!* big backing in memories in the last episode and suddenly he felt that he must do something good for his late family and helped Iljimae. What a twist
Well... I must say that it wasn't what I though it will be... To many unfinished things...
Like this series would need few episodes more to clear that story. I've been left with too many question without an answer.
One obvious thing for me is that he didn't die People in the village were talking that he died but the scene of breaking into palace again was in the first ep and he was talking back then to Ajik and Dae Shik. So he was alive
And the best and most touching scene for me was when he was struggling with opening the lock and Sol Dol appeared. I'm so happy that he had his minute in the last episode (even if as a Yongee imaginary)
Really? So I watch only those with happy endingsSilentwolfdog wrote:
But usually in drama like this, you would see beloved characters dies or become messed up in the last ep.
I'm really happy that Shi Hoo helped him. I was wondering almost all the time since he discovered that the person which was supposed to be his father is not one in reality why Danee wasn't telling him the truth about his father. And now *BANG!* big backing in memories in the last episode and suddenly he felt that he must do something good for his late family and helped Iljimae. What a twist
I didn't pay attention but he definitely didn't kill one soul. He was trained not to kill so he didn't.Silentwolfdog wrote:He didn't kill? Then what did he throw at the guards that put them on the ground when he was chasing down the king? I couldn't see what items were used. I just assumed its darts he used to throw at the paper. And doesn't darts kill?
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