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[Discussion] Ryusei no Kizuna - Nino, Ryo, Toda Erika

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Post by hollisterluv » Oct 31st, '08, 01:26

After watching only two episodes of this drama, I am instantly hooked and I don't know way. I guess i just really like mystery stories? It's the only one Im watching this season. The others seem... I dunno. But I'll try some o.o when I feel like it.

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Post by nofsummer » Oct 31st, '08, 01:55

Something is off, idk what... maybe the cosplay? The editing is abit all over the places. I do hope the 'wacky humour' will not overpowered the whole murder mystery we are supposed to be in for, and in the end becomes completely redundant. I am still watching though, Nino's kicked puppy expression won't let me off yet. :-)

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Post by chokubi » Oct 31st, '08, 03:36

nofsummer wrote:The editing is abit all over the places.
The editing is one of the biggest reasons why I'm watching this.

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Post by nofsummer » Oct 31st, '08, 04:32

chokubi wrote: The editing is one of the biggest reasons why I'm watching this.
Hmm... It's quite challanging to edit a story which involves both flashback and a story with in a story ( the swindling, cospaly bits). I still think it feels a bit rough, and jumpy here and there.
Maybe I was hoping for more intense and dramatic editing, somehow each element feels too segregated and chopped, It takes quite an effort to be comfortable with the story.

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Post by chokubi » Oct 31st, '08, 05:28

Yeah, this drama is by no means, conventional.

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Post by Daiichu » Oct 31st, '08, 15:05

As I read through the thread, I've noticed that a few people have mentioned that the humor is out of place and a bit weird...I agree to an extent, but I think it's one of the main factors that differentiates this series from other ones. I think the director and scriptwriter did a good job so far in creating a deep, serious plot and yet a funny, silly one at the same time. But I do worry like you guys about whether they are going to make the mistake of having the comedy overshadow the true meaning of the story as the show progresses. (I've read some of the book and it's by no means as silly as the drama, but it does have it's sarcastic brotherly/sisterly moments.)

I personally think it's starting out great. I also think the editing is one of the main reasons the drama is so interesting...Instead of following a basic drama series structure, it's more artistic in its storytelling. It actually reminds me of "Lost," the American tv show, with all the flashbacks and such. Although it can get annoying, I think it's a good change and I think they did a great job in making the story flow. But that's just what I think...I'm sure others may find it too choppy and annoying, jumping all over the place...It just depends on the person...I don't think it's very confusing at all so far, compared to most non-Japanese films or tv shows I've seen.

Oh, and of course...the acting. I doubt the drama would be going so well if it weren't for how amazing all the actors are doing!! Of course it's to be expected of Ninomiya, but the other actors are just as good. I mean, Ryo is surprising me with how well he seems to take on a different character, and I personally adore Toda. And the other actors as well! Hayashi rice man!! And Mika...Even the kids for the flashbacks are not too bad. (:

Ok well, I really rambled too much. xD I'll go now.

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Post by justsayes » Oct 31st, '08, 16:22

I did not expect to love this drama a lot. At first, after seeing the preview cms (the one with the three of them discussing Shii being swindled), I thought I was in for a big disappointment. It had a sort of whimsical look to it, not what I was expecting from Nino's ominous "we three will kill the murderer" speech. I thought I would cry :lol

But the first episode totally killed me and after that I became a believer. Kudo Kankuro is hands down a genius. I love the humor, I love the dialogue, and I love love love the chemistry among the siblings. I never, in a million years, would have thought up of this combination and expect it to work. I give props to the casting agent.

Also, while I was waiting for the first episode, I was lucky enough to read an article in the RnK lj comm about how Kudo Kankuro intended to write the drama. Then and there he outright said that it would be different from the book, that it would focus more on the bond, and that he would write characters totally different from the ones in the novel. After reading that article, and while watching the first episode, I was able to take in the silliness and actually enjoy it :-)

After seeing the 3rd episode,
I'm starting to think that the humor in the first two episodes was like an introduction to the siblings' bond, to get us warmed up to the idea of Nino/Ryo/Erika combo. I'm really buying into it, Nino as the protective oldest brother was priceless, Ryo as the baka 2nd bro was surprising and Erika as Shii was very cute.

Episode 3 had more touching moments (while amazingly keeping the humor intact) and I love how they did the flashbacks this time. I think I'm gonna start bawling when I see it with the english subs. Switching the kids with their adult counterparts shows how they haven't let go yet. They're still hurting deeply (something that I didn't really feel from the the other 2 eps) and from what I saw, I think Koichi is the one who has the most trouble letting go. I'm glad to see that the past/backstory is not being ignored and actually being expanded on.

That element alone - kids switching to adults - makes episode 3 my favorite so far.
I'm not as well versed in critiquing jdramas, but I can say that I do appreciate and love the humor in it. The flashbacks were a nice touch, and though it started to grate in episode 2,
it redeemed itself in episode 3.


Now I can't wait for next week :lol

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Post by yanie » Nov 1st, '08, 04:37

OMG!!! Ep3's directing and editing is AWESOME!!! It's by a different director than Ep1 and 2, and I hope he'll keep continue to direct most of the episodes!!^v^ It has a cool effect too!
And you gotta love the Ariake3 Production Presents, A Koichi Ariake Film credits!!!! Excellent!^v^ I'm looking forward to Episode 2 of Takayama Hisanobu "A Chief of Delusion", haha... coz Shii said she'd still want to get 500,000 yen more from him. So I don't think its over yet for Takayama!^v^

What Taisuke said about loving Shii as a sister, a family, a human, a living thing... just NOT as a woman, makes me wonder... hmm... :roll I suspect Koichi-Taisuke are not sure of their own feelings for Shii. Although I totally hope they're gonna be able to sort that out at the end, that they DO love Shii NOT more than a sister xD

Btw, am I the only one who's loving Taisuke's "NAO-CHAN!!! YEAAHH!!!" in the next week's preview??? ^0^
justsayes wrote:After seeing the 3rd episode,
Switching the kids with their adult counterparts shows how they haven't let go yet. They're still hurting deeply (something that I didn't really feel from the the other 2 eps) and from what I saw, I think Koichi is the one who has the most trouble letting go.
I see the kids and the adults intertwining scene, as a scene to show that the kids starting to mature. Koichi told them to bring just one toy and not more, but Taisuke and Shii doesn't want to let go their toys/dolls. Koichi told Taisuke he has to let go one of them, coz the rest of the space is needed for his pants and socks, coz if Taisuke has not enough clothes, no one will buy it for him anymore. Koichi said to Shii, he'd also want to let Shii bring all the dolls but Koichi wants her to start getting used in enduring alot of things. Meaning, if they cant endure things like not being able to bring all of their favorite things, how can they endure harder things that awaits for them from now on?
So their hearts has started to mature, thus they show us the adult appearances of the siblings too. It's really cute to see Toda Erika sobbing like little Shizuna^^

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Post by saya317 » Nov 1st, '08, 05:56

yanie wrote:
Btw, am I the only one who's loving Taisuke's "NAO-CHAN!!! YEAAHH!!!" in the next week's preview??? ^0^
I had to register just to reply to this!
I'm am going crazy over that! He's so adorably cute like that!

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Post by yanie » Nov 1st, '08, 06:03

saya317 wrote:I had to register just to reply to this!
I'm am going crazy over that! He's so adorably cute like that!
Haha, sorry that I made you registered! :lol Desho, desho??? I've repeated that over and over!!! xD

Are you a Nishikido fan? Just wondering, if there's any Nishikido fan think that this is his best acting performance so far, or has he done something better? This is my first time watching him in a drama (yup, havent watch Ichi Ritoru nor Last Friends xP), and I think he is doing a great job here. I really love how he perform Taisuke! And gotta thank KudoKan too, coz Taisuke in the book is not so energetic as in the drama xD

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Post by saya317 » Nov 1st, '08, 06:16

yanie wrote:
saya317 wrote:I had to register just to reply to this!
I'm am going crazy over that! He's so adorably cute like that!
Haha, sorry that I made you registered! :lol Desho, desho??? I've repeated that over and over!!! xD

Are you a Nishikido fan? Just wondering, if there's any Nishikido fan think that this is his best acting performance so far, or has he done something better? This is my first time watching him in a drama (yup, havent watch Ichi Ritoru nor Last Friends xP), and I think he is doing a great job here. I really love how he perform Taisuke! And gotta thank KudoKan too, coz Taisuke in the book is not so energetic as in the drama xD
No need to apologize. I've always been a lurker here, lol. Same here. I've repeated that constantly too!

Yep, huge fan of Ryo's. I do think this is his best performance so far. He just seems much more natural in this role than any other. I agree that he's doing great as Taisuke. Some very critical viewers might say that anybody could play Taisuke or even be a better Taisuke, but I believe that replacing Ryo could very well throw off the chemistry and the bond that we've come to love in the Ariake sibings. Know what I mean?

Anywys, you're yanie02 @ LJ, right? I have an LJ too under the same username as here. I hope its okay that I just friended you. ^_^

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Post by yanie » Nov 1st, '08, 06:24

saya317 wrote:He just seems much more natural in this role than any other.
Ahh... that's the exact word!! Natural... he's so natural here, the way he recite his lines and all. He looks perfectly comfortable with the role.
saya317 wrote:Anywys, you're yanie02 @ LJ, right? I have an LJ too under the same username as here. I hope its okay that I just friended you. ^_^
Ah yes, I recognized your name as one of the RnK LJ comm member ^_^ Sure, its okay!^^

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Post by saya317 » Nov 1st, '08, 06:49

yanie wrote:OMG!!! Ep3's directing and editing is AWESOME!!! It's by a different director than Ep1 and 2, and I hope he'll keep continue to direct most of the episodes!!^v^ It has a cool effect too!
No wonder why I thought the episode felt very different from the first two.
There wasn't as much to the comedy element, and even though I understood very little of the dialogue, I felt there was much more "heart" to this episode. Yeah, I can't find the right words to describe how I felt... But I definitely enjoyed the style of the flashbacks. Much more cohesive to the storyline. Looks like we'll be going back to KudoKan's humor for next episode. Why am I more excited for the comedy than the mystery???

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Post by yanie » Nov 1st, '08, 07:57

Ep1-2 were directed by Kaneko Fuminori, who was also in charge for most KudoKan's dramas, Tiger & Dragon, IWGP and Kisarazu. While the director for Ep3 was directed by Ishii Yasuharu, who was in charge of SekaChuu and Byakuyakou. Maybe that'll kinda explain the difference :roll

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Post by fleng » Nov 2nd, '08, 18:44

Lol this dorama is somewhat weird, before seeing it and reading the synopsis, I was thinking this would be another cruel, serious Dorama.

Turns out it was funny, strange and brilliant. I love the quirky moments when certain makes me chuckle. Like Tai, leaving behind Rio (Tina Yuzuki) JAV Dvd, and that he was working in a porn shop. Also wasnt that Mika Nakashima acting as a drunkard/cum fake GF just to eat for free.. and also lol at her sleeping all the way in t he background. Also the bit where Toda Erika was dressing up like Shiina RIngo's nurse look from Meisai (although the mole was in the wrong place)... oh how that brings back memories to 1999-ish :D .



Looking forward to more. Its like Kurozaki the dorama, with a more comedic effect.
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Post by NorN » Nov 2nd, '08, 19:32

I looked through all pages and find it kind of surprised that ppl complain how unexpectedly different the drama is. Isn’t in all promotions the cast always mentioned that the drama is going to be very different from the book. I confess, I didn’t read the book (I’ll do it after the drama ends, Thank you Yanie-san for your doing translation) to be able to compare, but still I thought that ppl were prepared, though I should admit that CM was quite deceiving. I assume that all that angst that people are so thirsty for is going build up through the whole series and burst up into last episodes. So far, I love all wacky and serious parts of the drama and wait eagerly for each episode.
Anywhoo, the part with transition between chibi and adults Ariaki is brilliant; it makes the scene very powerful.

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Post by saya317 » Nov 3rd, '08, 04:30

So I just saw ep03 with subs; helps clear up a lot of things for me. I have one thing that's been bugging me since episode 1. No, its not the comedy, lol.
Shii not being their "real", blood sister. She may have a different father, but they still share the same mother. Which means she is still blood-related. That just makes her their half-sister. Why do they keep saying that she's not their real sister? Could there be more to this?
Also something I noticed.
It seems that everytime Shii becomes upset about their past, at least once in every episode so far, Koichi always goes to her side. He'll go stand next to her or sit beside her while trying to cheer her up. Words can only do so much so him getting close to her strengthens that bond. He's basically saying "I'm here." And that is just so sweet of him.

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Post by marspeach » Nov 3rd, '08, 04:43

saya317 wrote:So I just saw ep03 with subs; helps clear up a lot of things for me. I have one thing that's been bugging me since episode 1. No, its not the comedy, lol.
Shii not being their "real", blood sister. She may have a different father, but they still share the same mother. Which means she is still blood-related. That just makes her their half-sister. Why do they keep saying that she's not their real sister? Could there be more to this?
They don't share the same mother. They are only step-siblings.

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Post by saya317 » Nov 3rd, '08, 06:02

marspeach wrote:
saya317 wrote:So I just saw ep03 with subs; helps clear up a lot of things for me. I have one thing that's been bugging me since episode 1. No, its not the comedy, lol.
Shii not being their "real", blood sister. She may have a different father, but they still share the same mother. Which means she is still blood-related. That just makes her their half-sister. Why do they keep saying that she's not their real sister? Could there be more to this?
They don't share the same mother. They are only step-siblings.
So the mother that's in the flashbacks aren't the boys' biological mother? Wait, never mind. I don't want to know. Not yet anyways. I don't want to ruin any mysteries for myself...yet, lol.

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Post by SSpiegel » Nov 3rd, '08, 13:57

After seeing epi 3:
I didn't like it nearly as much as the first two. First I thought it was good that the swindling got cut into two epis (I didn't want this to be a formulaic drama, where in every episode there's something from the present, a few flashbacks and a swindling), but then it didn't work at all. The beginning just felt random.
And I wasn't a fan of the switching from adults to kids thing. Maybe if they were better actors that can really pull off complex stuff, it would've been better (don't get me wrong, I totally love all three of them, which is pretty funny because before I didn't like any of them, but anyway, the scene was more than they could handle, IMHO)
I'm still loving this, tho. The humour makes me laugh out loud and I love the interaction between the Ariake Three.

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Post by Yumi Yan » Nov 5th, '08, 10:27

heh.. that drama... I like it. I'm going to continue watching it :)
I love the acting of all three they do really a good job. Nino is perfect for older brother and he's creating one really nicelly, Ryo...ech Ryo-chan...he's totally different than in LF and it seems that he loves that role, he's really good at creating a silly superactive perfect pretender brother lol, he's so adorable and I love the way he talks! Erika...she's so cute!!!! she's so cute when acting a mad Shii and she's really making a good sister! i can relate them all to each other.
about the drama I love the humour it has and I love how it's edited..it's not something unbelievable but it's good :) it's like a light snack before dinner :P
oh and as I understood Shii isn't reall sister of their... :P

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Post by lushtea » Nov 5th, '08, 12:12

i agree with you, sspiegel.. not really a fan of ep3 also..
the switching adults vs children part just doesn't feel natural for me.. for, me it wud be better if they intertwine the children scene with the similar scene that happen in their adult life.. but they literally made the adult acting like a child... for me, it doesn't seem right..
one question,
so, the principal of the kids orphanage is george-san??
don't get it..

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Post by Navin » Nov 5th, '08, 15:26

That kiddie scene took me totally by surprise though. Well, at least the first line hit me hard because of the surprise, all the other stuff was more like you guys said.

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Post by brokenparadise » Nov 5th, '08, 16:34

I love the intertwined scene.

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Post by Love2000AMGlam » Nov 5th, '08, 16:53

RE: intertwined scene

the more of Ryo the better! <3 LoL

But seriously though, the three of them have to just get over the whole thing.

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Post by lailoken » Nov 6th, '08, 17:38

Is the fact the Shii being not blood related a way for the writers to get some NinoXToda Erika action going? =))))

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Post by aqua_marine » Nov 7th, '08, 08:23

I love this drama and eager to see the following eps. Anyway, we've just watched the very first 3 eps, so be patient to wait for more interesting scenes.

Ep4 seems interesting cause it will show encounter between shii and hayashi-man (forget the name)

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Post by yanie » Nov 9th, '08, 06:14

So? How was Ep4 minna??^^ I personally think its a regression compared to Ep3, but I still love some moments!!^^
The Japanese audience in 2ch loves the last 5 mins of the episode so much and thinks Nino-Ryo-Erika's acting performance were great there, esp. Nino. They love Taisuke-Shizuna scene. Having a lengthy discussion about the possibility that Koichi loves Shizuna more than a sister, as they feel the hints has been laid out so clearly in this episode. And feels weird that Koichi said abt Yukinari, "We're both the only son of the owner of a western food store, why do we have so different lives??". Yup, he said "hitori musuko". He forgot about Taisuke's existence??O_o Or was it the writer's miss?
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Post by Kakijun » Nov 9th, '08, 06:17

Ep 4 was my favorite so far! Way better than 3 in my opinion.

Subs are almost done.

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Post by brokenparadise » Nov 9th, '08, 15:49

Akusub just released his subs for episode 4! :cheers:

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Post by westlake » Nov 10th, '08, 05:45

Episode 4 was good compared to the previous episodes. Thanks for the subs, Kakijun. :-)
It never occur to me that the 3 stars earrings that Shizuna was wearing actually represents Orion's belt. I only realized that after watching the Orion PV by Mika Nakashima...lol :lol
Having a lengthy discussion about the possibility that Koichi loves Shizuna more than a sister, as they feel the hints has been laid out so clearly in this episode. And feels weird that Koichi said abt Yukinari, "We're both the only son of the owner of a western food store, why do we have so different lives??".Yup, he said "hitori musuko". He forgot about Taisuke's existence??


Haha...again that I never thought about that. To me it sounded just like a casual conversation between siblings. :P Anyway, I have not read the book...so I don't exactly know what will happen. Things are certainly picking up now.

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Post by chokubi » Nov 11th, '08, 18:47

I thought Episode 4 was great too. I especially love the 1st 11mins:
Koichi's little rakugo scene and
Togami MD's afterthought scene (after leaving the wine-tasting party).
Absolutely hilarious! :lol
yanie wrote:
The Japanese audience... thinks Nino-Ryo-Erika's acting performance were great there, esp. Nino.
I think Ryo's acting stands out a bit more. When he's the real Taisuke, he's easily this carefree "highschool dropout" fella. Then when he takes on the roles that Koichi dishes out, he becomes this very collected and convincing professional. And while this "chameleon-switching" role isn't easy to play, I think that Ryo has done a good job so far.
yanie wrote:
Having a lengthy discussion about the possibility that Koichi loves Shizuna more than a sister...
I think one very obvious clue is how all of Shizuna's con-roles were assigned as the "target-charmer", 'cos that's how Koichi sees her himself. :whistling:

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Post by mattroilanh_tt » Nov 12th, '08, 02:02

I wonder what the name of the theme song of "The Letter from Canada" in Episode 1 is. I totally love it :wub: . Does anyone know where I can download this song?
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Post by yanie » Nov 12th, '08, 11:14

mattroilanh_tt wrote:I wonder what the name of the theme song of "The Letter from Canada" in Episode 1 is. I totally love it :wub: . Does anyone know where I can download this song? :cheers:
That could be one of the track in the original soundtrack, we'll wait for the OST album to release^^
Coz I'm pretty sure that The Delusional Chief themesong is original, so perhaps the song for 'letter from canada' is original soundtrack too.

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Post by airskape » Nov 12th, '08, 12:17

this drama has a lot of potential but at the moment i think it's just all over the place..
for example, why are they even swindling people when their ultimate goal is trying to find their parents killers? it just doesn't make any sense.. all of a sudden the drama turned into a 'kurosagi' of sorts

anyway.. ep 4 spoilers
i think it's safe to say the togami guy who killed their parents is shizuna's father, right? and he obviously killed them to steal their hayashi rice recipe, but he doesn't know shizuna is his daughter?

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Post by ganstream2 » Nov 12th, '08, 12:30

airskape wrote:this drama has a lot of potential but at the moment i think it's just all over the place..
for example, why are they even swindling people when their ultimate goal is trying to find their parents killers? it just doesn't make any sense.. all of a sudden the drama turned into a 'kurosagi' of sorts

anyway.. ep 4 spoilers
i think it's safe to say the togami guy who killed their parents is shizuna's father, right? and he obviously killed them to steal their hayashi rice recipe, but he doesn't know shizuna is his daughter?
@airskape:

Not to be rude, but,
Did you even watch the drama? I'm sure everyone already know that Shizuna's last name is not Togami but Yazaki and her real father appeared in episode 3.

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Post by mattroilanh_tt » Nov 12th, '08, 12:57

yanie wrote:
mattroilanh_tt wrote:I wonder what the name of the theme song of "The Letter from Canada" in Episode 1 is. I totally love it :wub: . Does anyone know where I can download this song? :cheers:
That could be one of the track in the original soundtrack, we'll wait for the OST album to release^^
Coz I'm pretty sure that The Delusional Chief themesong is original, so perhaps the song for 'letter from canada' is original soundtrack too.
Thank you. I have just found it. It is "Canada kara no tegami" (Love letter from Canada), you can hear it here:

http://www.bloggang.com/viewdiary.php?i ... 3&gblog=29

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Post by airskape » Nov 12th, '08, 13:14

ganstream2 wrote: @airskape:

Not to be rude, but,
Did you even watch the drama? I'm sure everyone already know that Shizuna's last name is not Togami but Yazaki and her real father appeared in episode 3.
ahh yes my bad..i totally forgot about it. i had to go back and rewatch that section of the ep :|

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Post by 2muchsoda » Nov 12th, '08, 13:43

takayama-san kakkoi desu ne
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Post by yanie » Nov 12th, '08, 13:54

mattroilanh_tt wrote:Thank you. I have just found it. It is "Canada kara no tegami" (Love letter from Canada), you can hear it here:

http://www.bloggang.com/viewdiary.php?i ... 3&gblog=29

or
Oh wow!!! Thank you so much!!^v^ Now, I wonder abt Takayama's themesong, I love that music the most!!!

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Post by totemokakkoii » Nov 13th, '08, 03:20

yep.. i too agreed that episode 4 is much much better.. finally i see something more concrete, more exciting..

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Post by noveno_espada » Nov 13th, '08, 12:38

hi all, i am not sure why the torrent is invalid for me. I have been trying for two days. Can anybody perhaps post a new link or help me to solve my problem? thanks loads!

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Post by Chen Yisi » Nov 13th, '08, 12:48

The torrents were fine with me.
Ladymercury also posts her links here
If you take the episodes from this LJ, don't forget to drop a little comment, it's always appreciated ^^

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Post by ZoddGuts » Nov 13th, '08, 18:26

airskape wrote:this drama has a lot of potential but at the moment i think it's just all over the place..
for example, why are they even swindling people when their ultimate goal is trying to find their parents killers? it just doesn't make any sense.. all of a sudden the drama turned into a 'kurosagi' of sorts
Your right it does feel like it's all over the place. The whole swingling thing feels rather forced and doesn't fit well for the series at all. Also the first swingling opereation made no sense why are they swingling the host guy instead of the female that swingled them? It wasn't he's fault for what happened nor did the episode show any signs that he was part of the swingling that the woman did. How is that getting back at the woman that did the swingling?

This series does feel like kurosagi expect here the whole swingling thing makes no sense.

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Post by yanie » Nov 13th, '08, 22:55

ZoddGuts wrote:Your right it does feel like it's all over the place. The whole swingling thing feels rather forced and doesn't fit well for the series at all. Also the first swingling opereation made no sense why are they swingling the host guy instead of the female that swingled them? It wasn't he's fault for what happened nor did the episode show any signs that he was part of the swingling that the woman did. How is that getting back at the woman that did the swingling?

This series does feel like kurosagi expect here the whole swingling thing makes no sense.
First of all, uhh... 'swingling'? :blink Dont you mean 'swindling'? :D

Hmm, I guess I can accept the idea of their swindling reasons, because I've read the book. But it didn't explained much in the drama, I guess...

Novel spoiler Chapter 9:
Maybe in the drama it wasn't explained that much, but in the book, Taisuke-Shizuna did think of swindling the woman back. But Koichi disagree, he felt it will be difficult to swindle the woman back, because she is a professional swindler, whereas they are only beginners. Taisuke-Shizuna were surprised that he proposed the idea of swindling another person, then Koichi made a whole speech of "Money is just going round and round the country. Money doesn't only stay in one spot, it goes round and round from one hand to another. If Shii's money has turned to that person's hand, then we just have to withdraw it from another place. In this world, it's either cheat or get cheated. Take a look at the politicians and government officials. They cheat the whole nation and line their own pockets. Even though everyone knows that, does the nation start a riot? No, they give up right? In other words, whoever gets it all wins. If someone does something to you, you just have to do something back. People who got cheated, if they don't want to suffer any loss, they just have to cheat someone else,"... something like that, although I disagree, but I think it was a good speech and shows how hard the siblings have lived their lives.
I don't mind the idea they swindled the host's money, but now I realized the drama missed out some important points in the book, which leads to the audience's confusions x)
In the drama, Taisuke only mentioned it briefly, "Oh right! Bcoz money is going round and round huh?".

This is just an explanation of why they swindled the host rather than the woman. But as for the fraud action as a whole, the drama did make it like they do it only to have fun. But somehow these fraud actions, esp. Koichi's reason to swindle Togami Yukinari, reminds me of Byakuyakou. The siblings lived a very hard life, growing up without their parents, so maybe that's why they are being a bit selfish and just want to have what they want, no matter how.

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Post by ZoddGuts » Nov 14th, '08, 02:47

Yes meant swindling lol.

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Post by mattroilanh_tt » Nov 14th, '08, 03:02

I love ep 3 than ep 4. Ep 5 will air today. Can't wait, can't wait.

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Post by yanie » Nov 14th, '08, 14:00

Ep5 was awesome, fabulous, excellent, superb! THIS IS what Higashino Keigo is about!! :cheers: The Higashino Keigo flavour totally stood out than the KudoKan flavour. And yay! Its getting closer to the book. I KNOW I can count on KudoKan!^v^ And at the end... OMG, KudoKan added a totally unexpected twist!!! Can you tell that I got so excited?? LOL!! Maybe, bcoz the mystery-feel stood out more than the comedy in this episode.

To KudoKan Humourous Style lovers, I'm sorry that you wont get much of it in Ep5 x) hmm... I guess I AM more of a Higashino fan^^ That WAS the initial reason why I got so interested in this book and drama.

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Post by aqua_marine » Nov 14th, '08, 15:25

so ep5 was shown. I thought ep5 is more serious than the first eps since I watched the end of ep4 where Tai and Koi seen the suspect. This make me eager to see how Koi and Tai act upon this fact. The drama is getting more dark scenes. I do love humorous style of Kudokan but this drama is originally about suspense thus it should have more serious shots. Wait to see them.

@yanie: you make me so excited. hope you guys post torrent soon. cant wait for ep5 anymore! ><

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Post by ryoko11 » Nov 14th, '08, 18:59

yanie wrote:Ep5 was awesome, fabulous, excellent, superb! THIS IS what Higashino Keigo is about!! :cheers: The Higashino Keigo flavour totally stood out than the KudoKan flavour. And yay! Its getting closer to the book. I KNOW I can count on KudoKan!^v^ And at the end... OMG, KudoKan added a totally unexpected twist!!! Can you tell that I got so excited?? LOL!! Maybe, bcoz the mystery-feel stood out more than the comedy in this episode.

To KudoKan Humourous Style lovers, I'm sorry that you wont get much of it in Ep5 x) hmm... I guess I AM more of a Higashino fan^^ That WAS the initial reason why I got so interested in this book and drama.
Looking forward to ep 5. Don't worry about the KudoKan fans. When I said IWGP had plenty of dark stuff in it and serious parts, I meant it. RnK has actually been taking a bit longer to get to the the dark stuff, so I'm ready for it and have been expecting it since the start. LOL

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Post by aishoni2 » Nov 16th, '08, 11:46

:salut: Akusub has done it again!
Subtitle for Episode 5!

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Post by mattroilanh_tt » Nov 17th, '08, 05:01

Ryusei no Kizuna may be the series with the most fansub group sub it until now :). As far as I know, 4 group do soft sub (Akusub, kakijun, samurai storm, ice fight) and 5 group do hard sub (AS & Stormy, Sars, Bada & Akusub, Samurai storm, and one made hard sub from Akusub soft sub for his private purpose).

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Post by yanie » Nov 17th, '08, 08:52

mattroilanh_tt wrote:Ryusei no Kizuna may be the series with the most fansub group sub it until now :). As far as I know, 4 group do soft sub (Akusub, kakijun, samurai storm, ice fight) and 5 group do hard sub (AS & Stormy, Sars, Bada & Akusub, Samurai storm, and one made hard sub from Akusub soft sub for his private purpose).
Wow!! Thanks for the info!
I don't remember Hanadan being subbed by as many teams as this! :blink And that time I thought Hanadan was subbed by too many teams already :lol

The rating for Ep5 is 15.1%, down a bit. The highest rating moment in Ep4 is 17.4%. Can you guess which scene got the highest rating? :mrgreen:
It was when Nakashima Mika jumped off to the sea, lol! To think of it, she got the best exit ever, indeed!! :lol
Cant wait for ep6! Despite that it looks intensed and serious, but seem like the whole plot in Ep6 doesnt exist in the book :D So I'm really looking forward to it. Wanna see KudoKan's original mystery^^ So far, he had only add up the humour elements, so its nice to know he add up more mystery puzzles too.

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Post by chokubi » Nov 17th, '08, 10:08

Personally, I find that every episode thus far has generally been great, and the one attributing factor to that would be the consistently wonderful script, that's both very witty and personalized to each of the characters. And I think both screenwriters have equally accomplished that, each to their own flavor.

Actually, I think both writers have been borrowing ideas from each other. Probably more so in the case of Higashino Keigo, and the bits of subtle comedy found in his episode(s).

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Post by jigoku » Nov 18th, '08, 01:36

OMG i cant wait for ep6! i just love the three of them ><

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Post by joykimlee » Nov 18th, '08, 18:05

I'm liking Erika Toda more n more since Code Blue n Ryuusei no Kizuna. She seems a much more diverse actress than i thought when i first saw her in Death Note then Liar Game. So now she's my preferred actress over Maki Horikita n Inouie Mao who i classify the same kind.

Refreshing to watch Ryo here as the carefree one in comparison to his previous roles in Last Friends n 1LOT. Nino's no doubt a gd actor n he seems to b always acting around a kitchen in many of his jdramas. Maybe he jus has tat gd boy look to land these kinda roles.

Overall, one of my favs of tis season. Thx to all subbing teams!

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Post by Immortal_Angel » Nov 19th, '08, 14:26

hi I have this question that is stuck in my mind for a long time and I hope you guys won't mind me asking.
The question is, is this drama only 6 episode long? because when I read on wiki it says it will end in December but after watching episode 5 and preview of episode 6... it seems like its going to end and some people said that its longer than 6 episodes so now I'm really confused. I also look up and the next drama after Ryusei no Kizuna is Love Shuttle but that doesn't start until Jan 2009 O.O... so is this drama longer than 6 episodes or not? can somebody please help?

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Post by Chen Yisi » Nov 19th, '08, 14:38

Yeah, seems like there'll be more than 6 episodes.
I think that some people said that the drama will be composed of 6 episodes because when you go on the wiki page, there's a table of the ratings for the episodes but stopped at episode 6.

So we still don't know haw many episodes it'll be, I would say 11.
There had been 1 month between Maou and Ryusei no Kizuna, it may be the same with Ryusei and Love Shuffle.

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Post by ganstream2 » Nov 19th, '08, 15:14

I'm guessing it'd be more like Last Friend, maybe 8-9 episodes long.

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Post by Chen Yisi » Nov 19th, '08, 15:18

ganstream2 wrote:I'm guessing it'd be more like Last Friend, maybe 8-9 episodes long.
Er, Last Friends had 11 episodes + 1 SP...

Took time to get to the real thing in Ryusei no Kizuna, the 6th episode will air this Friday, then 3 or 4 episodes to end the drama seems unlikely to me.

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Post by ganstream2 » Nov 19th, '08, 15:25

Really? I thought LF only had 9 episodes...oh well...

IMO, It's like the drama is saying "great, we're near the end of the book and it's only been 5 episodes, what should we do?" and now it's dragging the whole thing. I hope the second half doesn't turn out boring.

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Post by 2muchsoda » Nov 19th, '08, 17:14

I felt this series is great concept of kurosagi. I can see the same detective. Haha.
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Post by yanie » Nov 19th, '08, 22:36

ganstream2 wrote:IMO, It's like the drama is saying "great, we're near the end of the book and it's only been 5 episodes, what should we do?"
Uhh... Ep5 is nowhere near the end of the book yet. Just half of the book...

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Post by shiningstarss » Nov 21st, '08, 16:01

I've just watched 2 episodes of this drama! its' really good!!! Especially like the swindlings the way the drama enters it .. *へへ

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Post by jigoku » Nov 22nd, '08, 22:57

is it aired every friday?

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Post by Chen Yisi » Nov 22nd, '08, 23:15

Yes, every Friday 10:00pm Japan time on TBS

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Post by jigoku » Nov 22nd, '08, 23:54

okok, now i know when i should be expecting and be excited for the release :cheers:
thank you for the info. :D

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Post by aqua_marine » Nov 25th, '08, 07:37

oh my..., just did watch ep 6-sub. till now it is the best ep i've seen. Love ep 6 because Shii knew the fact of sibling relationship and above all, the first time Koi and Tai talked about Shi as "a girl" not as a little sister. Poor them, It's seem that their love for Shi is only one-way. Also love this ep because It does not only follow the book but also add humorous scene [Taisuke's scenario] -> love this scene so much, Tai is really cute.

Ep 7 will attract many viewers I think, cause its preview catches my attention by a kiss of Shi-Togami. Rating of ep 5 dropped a little bit. Don't know how ep 6 is going? Does anyone know its rating?

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Post by justsayes » Nov 25th, '08, 08:28

aqua_marine wrote:oh my..., just did watch ep 6-sub. till now it is the best ep i've seen.
Agreed. I loved watching it w/o subs, but after subs it's even better. I guess this replaces episode 3 for me :lol

Only a couple complaints though -
Mika singing randomly, as in part of the drama, was cheesy. Though I do like her "different octave" line after that. Just not the sudden High School Musical-like appearance.

Hmm... and the other complaint is their conclusion as to why Togami killed their parents. They were doing fine until after Koichi answered Shizuna's question. I somehow got the feeling that it wasn't sound reasoning, that they just wanted to pin the blame, and the fact that the whole scene was really funny though i'm not sure if they meant it to be. Toda Erika's face was just precious when Koichi took off that head-thing lol. Maybe this eager conclusion of theirs will play into something else later on, like they find out they're actually wrong :lol
But everything else I love love loved like (be forewarned it's spoiler-HEAVY) -

- Koichi meeting "Takamine Saori" and his greeting :D
- Shizuna's "gomen" face to Koichi
- Shizuna's "wtf are you smoking" face to Koichi after he told "Saori" she looked beautiful
- Shizuna's "I will try my hardest to cry!" face
- Shizuna's "wtf seriously are you on my bro" face after Koichi said his creepy "good work today" line
- Koichi and Taisuke acting weird while Shizuna was changing
- Koichi and Taisuke BOTH wearing those head-patches after Shizuna finished changing
- George-san's Shakespeare
- George-san's "probably" when he said he won't do anything to Shizuna while she's sleeping
- Koichi and Taisuke's "do you love Shii" conversation/argument
- Koichi telling Shizuna the truth
- Shizuna trying to take a potshot on Koichi's pitiful face, but fails when he doesn't react
- Taisuke's own production hehehe
- Shizuna and Yukinari's conversation - I loved how he told her it was also "her" story; he doesn't even know how much it affected her!
- the rooftop gazing
- Shizuna's sneaky laugh face
- Shizuna's "Onii!" face
Yeah, pretty much the whole episode :D And now I can't wait for next week!

ETA - from the Japanese Wikipedia, it says the rating for ep06 was 14.8% :O

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Post by rdoll » Nov 25th, '08, 13:29

Ep 6.
Am I the only one who thinks that their parents were not a ' good guy'. I think their father stole the recipe from Togami. Maybe the only one who cant see it is them.

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Post by chokubi » Nov 25th, '08, 17:36

I like how they still use humor in the show at this point, despite it going almost full-time serious.
And that it's very subtle and used sparingly.
And that it wouldn't make sense to inject those humor scenes if it weren't for the earlier wacky episodes.
justsayes wrote: Mika singing randomly, as in part of the drama, was cheesy.
Have to applaud them for the original idea though. Although it could have used a better transition scene IMO... :fear:
justsayes wrote:But above everything else I love love loved -

- Shizuna's "gomen" face to Koichi
- Shizuna's "what's with that tone" face to Koichi after he told "Saori" she looked beautiful
- Shizuna's "I will try my hardest to cry!" face
- Koichi and Taisuke BOTH wearing those head-patches after Shizuna finished changing <- I think this one takes the cake for subtle humor!
- George-san's "probably" when he said he won't do anything to Shizuna while she's sleeping
I'll 2nd these! :lol
rdoll wrote: Am I the only one who thinks that their parents were not a ' good guy'. I think their father stole the recipe from Togami. Maybe the only one who cant see it is them.
I think that's pretty much on the back of everyone's mind now. We'll just have to see if it goes either way. Or better yet, neither way!
Also, I didn't quite get the part at 12:05 where Taisuke said,
"Calm down you say? I'm not a Rakugo you know."
Sounded like he was making a pun or reference to the "落ち着け (おちつけ)" word or something, which I have no idea of. :scratch:
Anyone wanna shed some light? Sorry if I'm not making any sense here btw.

[E]: Clarified after watching SARS' subs. It was a pun after all. :lol
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Post by Arsenal1508 » Nov 25th, '08, 17:55

kids dad comes off a real jerk doesn't he. Atleast I'm glad they showed that their mum wasn't having an affair and was just their step mum.

Btw...what happend to their real mum?

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Post by auroragb » Nov 25th, '08, 18:21

rdoll wrote:Ep 6.
Am I the only one who thinks that their parents were not a ' good guy'. I think their father stole the recipe from Togami. Maybe the only one who cant see it is them.
Erm... are you watching the same drama I am?
You can see that Togami's father had a weak business and Ariake's father insulted Togami's food. Also, Ariake family have been eating the same taste as far as they can remember, while Togami's mom mentioned that their formula was "perfected" shortly after the death of the Ariakes.
Any shippers here? Shizuna x Taisuke or Shizuna x Koichi? Maybe Shizuna x Togami or Shizuna x Takayama?

What sucks is that I think that Shizuna will end up with no one. :cussing:
Doujinshi time :P

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Post by Arsenal1508 » Nov 25th, '08, 23:33

Shizuna is their sister...that's what she thought all along. It'd be sick if she gets together with one of her brothers. I'm worried about the younger brother...he's got perverted feelings for his "sister." It's not right even though there's no blood connection.

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Post by Kakijun » Nov 25th, '08, 23:41

Arsenal1508 wrote:
kids dad comes off a real jerk doesn't he. Atleast I'm glad they showed that their mum wasn't having an affair and was just their step mum.

Btw...what happend to their real mum?
Their dad is my favorite character! What a crazy personality. Gambler/gangster guy by day. Great(lol kinda) dad by night.

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