[Discussion] Zeni Geba - Matsuyama Kenichi
[Discussion] Zeni Geba - Matsuyama Kenichi
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I'm surprised no one's made a thread about this show yet, it's so friggin good! Reminds me a lot of Maou. Matsuyama Kenichi is great as the money-grubbing but somewhat sympathetic Futarou (and hot...).
First episode was a lot of flashbacks and pretty grim. Second episode was ace...so badass muahahahaha.
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Thank you for making a topic on this show! I thought I was the only one watching it. What I like, and what I think may be turning some people off is the fact that this is a darker drama. Even the main character isn't a hero. He's not someone you want to root for, and honestly I'm not. Childhood aside, he's not a very nice person. Even some of the other characters are not what you would think of as "good guys". Which I actually really love.
Some spoiler-y thoughts:
Some spoiler-y thoughts:
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This is definitely one of the dramas I'm enjoying the most this season. I like how almost none of the characters is totally likeable/dislikeable (I don't know why, but Midori's got something that quite puts me off, too), and Matsuyama Ken'ichi's acting is downright awesome, especially when
I'm also looking forward to the role Futarou's father plays in the game,
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my god I LOVE this show!!! definitely the best of the season though i guess i can't say that yet until i finish triangle which is also great! anyways i agree with what everyone says about the maid. she' probably gonna get killed off sooner or later. and i absolutely adore Matsuken here! he's so evil and crazy! and i'm a sucker for a hot psychopathic guy! can't help it! and i like the Futaro and Akane pairing! too bad he doesn't see her that way o well can't wait for ep 3!
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I don't think Futarou is as apathetic towards Akane as he pretends to be. Sometimes, people who are <i>generally</i> good and decent...deep deep inside, need to talk themselves into batshizz insane-ness. He kills me every time he covers up Akane's ears to be nasty. I don't know why, but those scenes make MatsuKen ultra sizzling hot!!! Those brown pants really fit him well...
Yeah, I don't need the frakking plot when MatsuKen and his big hands, big feet and pretty thumb-sucker's lips are on screen.
Yeah, I don't need the frakking plot when MatsuKen and his big hands, big feet and pretty thumb-sucker's lips are on screen.
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I'm pretty sure I agree with you on all fronts. I absolutely love this show. It's pulling me in many directions emotionally.
I'll try write within your spoiler space. Let's see if the colors work.
I love this drama. I wish I didn't have to work!
This is normal since, under other circumstances, he'd be a nice guy rather than a confirmed hot psychotic double murderer. Akane is devoted to him. Regardless of where her feelings stem, what she feels for him is pure and he can't help but react to that. He's still human... more or less.nikkibell84 wrote: I agree with you on Futaro and Akane. Yes, he is using her. However, I do think he feels a bit sorry for her. I believe he sees a little bit of himself in her.
I'll try write within your spoiler space. Let's see if the colors work.
Midori...ugh!
One thing that I've found different in this jdrama than any I've watched is the protaganist does actually seem utterly irredeemable. I think I'd be kind of disappointed if he did redeem himself. I like most of the characters except for Midori and dull rich guy. The father and detective are really interesting too. The detective should be the "hero" of the story, but comes off as very unlikeable, too.
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@ hey9: [spoiler]Well when the "delinquent" missing son's dad Nonomura Yasuhiko was sitting down having a conversation with Futaro, he told him how he has a son, the one who looks just like him and how he doesn't know where or what he is doing, but probably up to no good anyways. But he doesn't care about all that, as long as he stays alive and how he can do all the bad he wants, just as long as he doesn't kill anyone.(That's when the music started to change as Futaro's facial expression changed) Also, after that everyone started to have a closer look at Futaro and Nonomura Shoko(the wife) told him how he really looks like their son, if he didn't have the scar near his eye. I hope that helped [/spoiler]hey9 wrote:
I just love how this drama brings out the evilness in me, and feeling good about it.
Funny thing is the way how Matsuyama Kenichi (awesomely) pulls this off, which doesn't make this drama seem gloomy or dark at all, in my opinion at least.
Maybe it's the script, I don't know. But I'm enjoying it a lot 'cos of all that.
Funny thing is the way how Matsuyama Kenichi (awesomely) pulls this off, which doesn't make this drama seem gloomy or dark at all, in my opinion at least.
Maybe it's the script, I don't know. But I'm enjoying it a lot 'cos of all that.
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When you're on the site, look for the letters A and B. When they appear, click on B. These are the forthcoming episode's trailers. There is only one major and one minor spoiler that you can see visually. While I knew it was coming, for whatever reason, I just didn't expect it to happen so soon...which is silly because this drama only has nine episodes. Matsuken...I'm so glad he's back on television!!! 8 hours, more or less to go! Whew!
nikkibell84 wrote:Ah. Now I want to go watch the trailers. I'm really enjoying this show, and so I want to know what's coming up. I must not go to the site. . . who am I kidding? I'm going in a moment.
edit: sadly, I couldn't find the promos.
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Sapporo Girl wrote:When you're on the site, look for the letters A and B. When they appear, click on B. These are the forthcoming episode's trailers. There is only one major and one minor spoiler that you can see visually. While I knew it was coming, for whatever reason, I just didn't expect it to happen so soon...which is silly because this drama only has nine episodes. Matsuken...I'm so glad he's back on television!!! 8 hours, more or less to go! Whew!
Yes, I found those. But, it just brought me to a white page with some writing in japanese. I'm guessing I don't have what is needed to view the videos.
Assuming he got rid of the rich boy which I think he did considering he would have no choice because Futaro told him the truth about himself, I would guess the next person to go will be the housemaid followed by he's father then maybe the cop towards the end.
All people that get in he's way must be ridden off mwhuhuhuhua!
All people that get in he's way must be ridden off mwhuhuhuhua!
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I went to the official site as well and tried to have a little peek at the trailers. I clicked on both A & B and it took me to a blank white page. Maybe they removed the trailers or could it be that you can only view it if you are in Japan?Sapporo Girl wrote:When you're on the site, look for the letters A and B. When they appear, click on B. These are the forthcoming episode's trailers. There is only one major and one minor spoiler that you can see visually. While I knew it was coming, for whatever reason, I just didn't expect it to happen so soon...which is silly because this drama only has nine episodes. Matsuken...I'm so glad he's back on television!!! 8 hours, more or less to go! Whew!
nikkibell84 wrote:Ah. Now I want to go watch the trailers. I'm really enjoying this show, and so I want to know what's coming up. I must not go to the site. . . who am I kidding? I'm going in a moment.
edit: sadly, I couldn't find the promos.
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Sorry everyone. It's quite possible the trailers are only viewable in Japan. I get that a lot in the reverse. It's quite frustrating.
As for episode 4... well, I know I shouldn't wish for anyone's death, real or imagined, but Hot-n-Sinister's father needs to die.right.now! Futarou is clearly sick. His father is evil!!! I also know I shouldn't wish Futarou well...but...where this particular nutjob is concerned, I want the best for him, if only for a short time. Granted, he needs to bite it at the end, but for the time being... gambatte Futarou!! I just don't want him to hurt Akane. too badly. Sadly, I still can't conjure up any sympathy or affection for the detective. I wish I could, but I can't.
Spoilers for episode 4:
I love this show!!!!
As for episode 4... well, I know I shouldn't wish for anyone's death, real or imagined, but Hot-n-Sinister's father needs to die.right.now! Futarou is clearly sick. His father is evil!!! I also know I shouldn't wish Futarou well...but...where this particular nutjob is concerned, I want the best for him, if only for a short time. Granted, he needs to bite it at the end, but for the time being... gambatte Futarou!! I just don't want him to hurt Akane. too badly. Sadly, I still can't conjure up any sympathy or affection for the detective. I wish I could, but I can't.
Spoilers for episode 4:
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[quote="Sapporo Girl"]
Spoilers for episode 4:
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Whoa, wait. . .
I agree about what Evil!Dad did, he's so wants something in return.
Haruko-chan. . . I'm starting to think that she'll
In a way, I am feeling more and more sorry toward Futaro. He's mentally ill, and most likely has been since he Futaro doesn't need money, he needs help.
Spoilers for episode 4:
Whoa, wait. . .
I agree about what Evil!Dad did, he's so wants something in return.
Haruko-chan. . . I'm starting to think that she'll
In a way, I am feeling more and more sorry toward Futaro. He's mentally ill, and most likely has been since he
Just watch episode three and I have to say I feel really bad for Akane.
Ugh, but as much as I want to hate Futarou, strangely, I really can't help but to want to see him achieve his goal...
Oh, and I also agree about
I'm still don't think that Haruko (the housekeeper) will be killed off anytime soon. I believe that she will play the silent observer as nikkibell84 suggested.
I'm probably looking way too into this though, lol, I like these types of shows that leave me speculating like this.
Also, the Nonomura family was hilarious in episode three. The restaurant owners younger sister cracks me up.
Oh, and I also agree about
Also, the Nonomura family was hilarious in episode three. The restaurant owners younger sister cracks me up.
I just finished watching the 4th episode and [spoiler]I agree, I can't believe Futaro actually buried his body there. Out of all the places, he chose the area near their house. At the end of the 4th episode it showed Futaro's evil dad with some lady. That lady wasn't Haruko was it? I' also agree that Futaro's dad definitely wants something in return. Probably $$ or he wants in on whatever Futaro's working on. I can't wait to see next week's episode. In the previews for it, it seems like Midori figured out Futaro's true demeanor somehow, as she was warning Akane of Futaro. I wonder if Haruko told her or if she figured it out herself. Even though Futaro committed all those murder's and probably more to come, I still want him to live in the end. [/spoiler]
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Excellent drama. Don't know how I was able to fail to notice Matsuyama Kenichi until watching Zeni Geba.
The screenwriters try to squeeze a little bit too much story into the episodes, though, don't they? Not that it really bothers me - the resulting inconsistencies somehow add to the enjoyment.
Dull Rich Boy for example (spoilers for ep 3)
Or Futarou's intelligence (spoilers for ep 4)
And am I the only one wondering about Futarou's acting skills? (spoilers for ep 4)
The screenwriters try to squeeze a little bit too much story into the episodes, though, don't they? Not that it really bothers me - the resulting inconsistencies somehow add to the enjoyment.
Dull Rich Boy for example (spoilers for ep 3)
Yeah, there's lots about Zeni Geba to dislike or just laugh at, but I still enjoy watching it Might be because it's so rare to have such a 99%, if not 100% evil protagonist whose motives and actions you won't condone in real life but whom people like Matsuyama Kenichi portray so frighteningly. It's really his show. (Although Shiina Kippei as the evil father is excellent too.)
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Lol! I only ever thought about the first one. I think Midori is a coincidence though. I think JPN money isn't green.Herm wrote:I am no Japanese expert, but I think "Futaro" means "vagabond." Then you have Akane - which sounds pretty similar to "Okane" (money) and then you have Midori (green). Maybe just a coincidence but . . .
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Talking about names: Let's not forget that Kenzo is very similar to kanzo (肝臓) which means liver, Satoshi (Oginos first name) can also mean admonition, guidance (諭し) and Joji (the father of Akane and Midori) is a homophone of love affair (情事) so I guess they still owe us an illegitimate child (to be honest I really don't think that the mangaka thought that much about the names. There's just a lot of homophony in Japanese. Makes it hard to avoid associations)
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The name thing may have just happened, but I still think it's pretty interesting. Names often give insight to characters. I remember reading somewhere that many times authors/script writers (wether they mean to or not) often give names that fit a part of a character.
Akane's name, to me, really doesn't seem like a coincidence, because of her role in Futaro's plan.
Akane's name, to me, really doesn't seem like a coincidence, because of her role in Futaro's plan.
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True. . . . but most writers think carefully about the names of the characters and the significance they may have. . . the names are deliberate choices, and the authors should be aware of any sound similarities with other words, since this is what they do for a living . . .kisnyulacska wrote:Talking about names: Let's not forget that Kenzo is very similar to kanzo (肝臓) which means liver, Satoshi (Oginos first name) can also mean admonition, guidance (諭し) and Joji (the father of Akane and Midori) is a homophone of love affair (情事) so I guess they still owe us an illegitimate child (to be honest I really don't think that the mangaka thought that much about the names. There's just a lot of homophony in Japanese. Makes it hard to avoid associations)
Of course the names could just be coincidences, but given the story there is at least good reason to think the case might be otherwise . . .
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I began watching the drama yesterday & I'm so curious about Futaro's charatcer.. Frankly he is a psycho when it comes to Money & these kind of people do anything to get it , well as a beginning it's a good drama & I'm curious how it'll develop till the ending that was the reason that attract me to watch it..
Yeah I thought 5 was the worst episode by far. . . it just seems that they skipped over too much stuff . . .
OK. Akane is nuts...but she is loyal. You have to give her that.
I was kind of rooting for the guy before now. I thought that there was some chance he had an ounce of good left in him . . .
But I guess not.
I wonder what his downfall will be . . . maybe the older sister will snap out of it and kill him?
I wonder if he will kill the maid or find some way to use her. Killing her seems too easy . . .[/spoiler]
OK. Akane is nuts...but she is loyal. You have to give her that.
I was kind of rooting for the guy before now. I thought that there was some chance he had an ounce of good left in him . . .
But I guess not.
I wonder what his downfall will be . . . maybe the older sister will snap out of it and kill him?
I wonder if he will kill the maid or find some way to use her. Killing her seems too easy . . .[/spoiler]
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I, too, was more than a bit deflated by the episode 05. It didn't really have anything to do with redeeming Futarou though. He was certifiable back in episode 01, so that doesn't particularly bother me. He's insane and either needs to be locked away or have a bullet put in his head.
I think my reaction has more to do with a loss of lingering innocence. Up until now, it felt fun despite Futarou's heinous crimes, however, in this episode I felt was if I was suddenly thrust head first into Futarou's psychosis and now it's starting to hurt. The present situation is just sad. Perhaps it has to do with Futarou potentially losing one thread of sanity (when she picked up that ichi-man yen and saw him like that, it was physically painful)...
Had it been any other drama, I might have had a WTF moment with Akane's sudden change in behavior, but I couldn't muster the strength. The same with SatanDaddy's revelation. He's truly vile. Just vile.
All in all, the set up of this episode might have been a necessary evil. It is about time we truly got to the heart of the matter, isn't it?
Matsuken is still the man. I think Futarou is wearing him down a bit, but he's managing to hold it together and I know he'll finished strong.
Despite this quasi-letdown, I'm anxiously awaiting next week's episode.
I think my reaction has more to do with a loss of lingering innocence. Up until now, it felt fun despite Futarou's heinous crimes, however, in this episode I felt was if I was suddenly thrust head first into Futarou's psychosis and now it's starting to hurt. The present situation is just sad. Perhaps it has to do with Futarou potentially losing one thread of sanity (when she picked up that ichi-man yen and saw him like that, it was physically painful)...
Had it been any other drama, I might have had a WTF moment with Akane's sudden change in behavior, but I couldn't muster the strength. The same with SatanDaddy's revelation. He's truly vile. Just vile.
All in all, the set up of this episode might have been a necessary evil. It is about time we truly got to the heart of the matter, isn't it?
Matsuken is still the man. I think Futarou is wearing him down a bit, but he's managing to hold it together and I know he'll finished strong.
Despite this quasi-letdown, I'm anxiously awaiting next week's episode.
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I agree that episode felt a bit rushed. But, I do understand why they may have felt the need to rush. There are only four episodes left and the manga (source material) was only four volumes long. There is only so much story to tell, as well. After all, the main character is steadily going more and more insane and becoming more unlikeable with each episode. I was rooting for Futaro at first, but at this point, while I find him interesting, I do think he just needs major help.
Some Thoughts On Episode Five/Episode Six Preview:
As for the preview:
Some Thoughts On Episode Five/Episode Six Preview:
As for the preview:
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I peeped at the episode again during breakfast and I realized just how much we fans presume that Futarou is controlling Akane. Let me back up a bit. We're all presuming that Akane is a hapless little victim and she's somehow Futarou's pawn. This goes to show how much we've forgotten the type of person Akane was just five episodes ago.
Yes, she wants to please him and yes, she wants his love. The thing is, she's getting what she *wants* in very much the same way Futarou is getting what he thinks he needs to survive. Midori and her father wanted Akane's love and to be in her good graces. Futarou was a path to getting them what they wanted, too. Everyone should have been content. Unfortunately, Futarou's suffering continues and things became worse than they ever were before.
I feel great PITY for Futarou. He's absolutely pathetic and he's going to lose this game. They all say that the writer wrote this "long before his time" and I suppose he knew there would be a reckoning one day and he's using Futarou to demonstrate what happens when we lose sight of what is truly important. He can't beat the bucks. He can't win. There will never be enough money. He can't kill enough people. He'll just continue to spiral out of control. He jumped off the cliff a long time ago and it's taking far too long for him to hit the water.
Given that we all have to die one day, I'm sure most of us want it quick and easy. Poor Futarou's is long and painful.
His Dad needs to die now although he said quite a few things that made sense. If he tried, he could be a decent man, but I guess in his mind there's really no point. His callous way of dealing with his son's torment and subsequent murder of others is unforgivable. Thank goodness he doesn't yet know about Futarou's safe haven. Sadly, I wonder if he's lost this after what happened in episode 5.
One more thing... the trailers for this show are far more deceptive than they are for other shows. They can edit and splice to make us think anything...
All right. I'll go back to my igloo and await Matsuken's masterful performance next week.
Yes, she wants to please him and yes, she wants his love. The thing is, she's getting what she *wants* in very much the same way Futarou is getting what he thinks he needs to survive. Midori and her father wanted Akane's love and to be in her good graces. Futarou was a path to getting them what they wanted, too. Everyone should have been content. Unfortunately, Futarou's suffering continues and things became worse than they ever were before.
I feel great PITY for Futarou. He's absolutely pathetic and he's going to lose this game. They all say that the writer wrote this "long before his time" and I suppose he knew there would be a reckoning one day and he's using Futarou to demonstrate what happens when we lose sight of what is truly important. He can't beat the bucks. He can't win. There will never be enough money. He can't kill enough people. He'll just continue to spiral out of control. He jumped off the cliff a long time ago and it's taking far too long for him to hit the water.
Given that we all have to die one day, I'm sure most of us want it quick and easy. Poor Futarou's is long and painful.
His Dad needs to die now although he said quite a few things that made sense. If he tried, he could be a decent man, but I guess in his mind there's really no point. His callous way of dealing with his son's torment and subsequent murder of others is unforgivable. Thank goodness he doesn't yet know about Futarou's safe haven. Sadly, I wonder if he's lost this after what happened in episode 5.
One more thing... the trailers for this show are far more deceptive than they are for other shows. They can edit and splice to make us think anything...
All right. I'll go back to my igloo and await Matsuken's masterful performance next week.
^nikkibell84 Did Akane really [spoiler]drug her sister? At first I thought she really did drug her but then I thought perhaps Midori was so overwhelmed with everything that has happened that she became traumatized? Or did Akane's jealousy of her sister bring out the worst in her? Perhaps she is thinking that with her sister gone, she can be secure, that Futaro will be hers. She might also have drugged her to protect Futaro so Midori's mouth stays shut as she already figured things out about Futaro... I can't wait to see next week's episode!! [/spoiler]nikkibell84 wrote:I agree that episode felt a bit rushed. But, I do understand why they may have felt the need to rush. There are only four episodes left and the manga (source material) was only four volumes long. There is only so much story to tell, as well. After all, the main character is steadily going more and more insane and becoming more unlikeable with each episode. I was rooting for Futaro at first, but at this point, while I find him interesting, I do think he just needs major help.
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Machihxh wrote:
^nikkibell84 Did Akane really [spoiler]drug her sister? At first I thought she really did drug her but then I thought perhaps Midori was so overwhelmed with everything that has happened that she became traumatized? Or did Akane's jealousy of her sister bring out the worst in her? Perhaps she is thinking that with her sister gone, she can be secure, that Futaro will be hers. She might also have drugged her to protect Futaro so Midori's mouth stays shut as she already figured things out about Futaro... I can't wait to see next week's episode!! [/spoiler]
Well, I'm not totally sure, but
Edit: After carefully re-watching, I do believe
Sapporo Girl - awesome post.
Personally, I have never liked Akane. In my eye, she's always been very rude, twisted, and spoiled. What I dislike is her 'pity me' ways and her obsession over Futarou. She complains that people only see her birthmark, but the truth is she gives off a very distant and cold vibe. Even the kindest of people would be wary of approaching someone like that. And, I think the way she became so obsessed with Futarou after one meeting (even if he did help her) was a bit. . . unusual. Also, note that she was distant from her father and sister, and only really became open with them when they promised she could "keep" Futarou. As you said, Akane played her family, just as much as Futarou played them (and her), in order to get what she wanted.
I believe Akane has always had a very twisted view of the world (her thoughts on other people, her complex in regard to 'beautiful' people, etc) and that her obsession with Futarou, being his perfect wife and, really his world, is slowly driving her over the edge. She's always seemed a little off (the threats of killing herself, breaking the watch, her distance toward everyone, her want to be alone in her room), but it seems to have gotten worse since meeting Futarou. She is by no means his victims, and in many ways her actions are worse then his.
Futarou has a twisted view on people (both rich and poor), but he knows it. Akane seems to think her views and what she does is all perfectly normal.
Speaking of Futarou - he's said some interesting things lately. His comment on the fact that he'd never fall in love, because the people you love leave you (his mother) got me thinking, does he actually like anyone? I had thought about the restaurant family, as he seems to have a small fondness for them. But, at the same time, their "We're poor, but happy." view of their lives seems to piss Futarou off. I'm referring to
Now, all that rambling is leading to this: do you think that in the next four episodes Futarou will regain a bit of his (hidden) humanity, realize that he actually cares about someone(s), and then lose that same person(s)? Not because of lack of money, but because of something he, himself, does. To me, that would be the ultimate punishment.
I also thought that Midori just went nuts, but I guess we'll have to wait and see...
I don't think Futaro is redeemable. I was kind of hoping that he would be, but after he called had the father killed about 5 minutes after the father told him how much he liked him, I lost all hope . . .
Plenty of people do bad things, but usually there is some underlying reason for it. Maybe a kid will commit a crime because he never got attention, and committing the crime is a way of getting it, etc. . .
But with Futaro, I have no idea what need of his is being served by what he is doing, or hopes to do . . . Maybe it is a fear of death? He feels that if he doesn't become rich, he will die like his mother did?
But why is he so obsessed with proving to himself that money is as important to everyone else as it is to him? Even if this is true, so what? Maybe it just pisses him off to hear people talk about "the heart being more important" because his mother would always say the same thing, but then she died anyway . . .
I don't think Futaro is redeemable. I was kind of hoping that he would be, but after he called had the father killed about 5 minutes after the father told him how much he liked him, I lost all hope . . .
Plenty of people do bad things, but usually there is some underlying reason for it. Maybe a kid will commit a crime because he never got attention, and committing the crime is a way of getting it, etc. . .
But with Futaro, I have no idea what need of his is being served by what he is doing, or hopes to do . . . Maybe it is a fear of death? He feels that if he doesn't become rich, he will die like his mother did?
But why is he so obsessed with proving to himself that money is as important to everyone else as it is to him? Even if this is true, so what? Maybe it just pisses him off to hear people talk about "the heart being more important" because his mother would always say the same thing, but then she died anyway . . .
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Herm wrote:
But why is he so obsessed with proving to himself that money is as important to everyone else as it is to him? Even if this is true, so what? Maybe it just pisses him off to hear people talk about "the heart being more important" because his mother would always say the same thing, but then she died anyway . . .
I've been wondering that as well. Honestly, I think that Futarou thinks if money is as important to everyone as it is to him, then that sort of makes him a better person, because he knows that money is the most important thing and others pretend it is not. Maybe.
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This is a very interesting show, and I love the fact that Kenichi Matsuyama from 'Death Note' and 'Sexy Voice & Robo' is in it. I love how this character is so different from the last two roles he portrayed, which is the testament of any actor, being able to do different things with each sucessive project.
In many ways Kenichi Matsuyama is slowly becoming the Japanese Johnny Depp, in that he is very good looking, but doesn't rely merely on his good looks, and is also an exceptionally talented actor, who never portrays characters in the same manner from one project to the next.
In many ways Kenichi Matsuyama is slowly becoming the Japanese Johnny Depp, in that he is very good looking, but doesn't rely merely on his good looks, and is also an exceptionally talented actor, who never portrays characters in the same manner from one project to the next.
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This is a very interesting show, and I love the fact that Kenichi Matsuyama from 'Death Note' and 'Sexy Voice & Robo' is in it. I love how this character is so different from the last two roles he portrayed, which is the testament of any actor, being able to do different things with each sucessive project.
In many ways Kenichi Matsuyama is slowly becoming the Japanese Johnny Depp, in that he is very good looking, but doesn't rely merely on his good looks, and is also an exceptionally talented actor, who never portrays characters in the same manner from one project to the next.
In many ways Kenichi Matsuyama is slowly becoming the Japanese Johnny Depp, in that he is very good looking, but doesn't rely merely on his good looks, and is also an exceptionally talented actor, who never portrays characters in the same manner from one project to the next.
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What a weird episode. Most of the characters got weirdly unreal.
I mean, Futarou never was what you'd call a sane person. But until now it somehow felt like he was controlling his madness. By now his madness completely controls him. I've given up on him - he's getting worse instead of better. But oh well - MatsuKen still manages to make up for Futarous advancing downfall.
What made me kind of sad though was that Futarou
As to Akane I have to admit I kind of like her. I haven't thought much of her until now. She hasn't shown much character until episode 5. She changed from poor, pitiful victim to determined protector of her own happiness. It needs some mental strength not to care about the fact that one is completely lied to. It might be debatable whether it's mental strength or just simple madness in her case, but I'd like to believe in her.
Midori turned turned out to be a sad person. Up until now she was always playing the strong and steady lady with character and now she's just breaking down. What a disappointment. I am aware of the fact that it is more than normal to collapse under these circumstances, but seeing that the whole series generally lacks normality I had expected something more of her.
Lucky though that
I mean, Futarou never was what you'd call a sane person. But until now it somehow felt like he was controlling his madness. By now his madness completely controls him. I've given up on him - he's getting worse instead of better. But oh well - MatsuKen still manages to make up for Futarous advancing downfall.
What made me kind of sad though was that Futarou
Midori turned turned out to be a sad person. Up until now she was always playing the strong and steady lady with character and now she's just breaking down. What a disappointment. I am aware of the fact that it is more than normal to collapse under these circumstances, but seeing that the whole series generally lacks normality I had expected something more of her.
Lucky though that
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@Shinigami777
Matsuken has been my Johnny Depp in Japan for a long time. One day I gave up even comparing him to JD because Matsuken's his own man, which freaks me out because it's still tough for me to reconcile that he's only 23 or 24. Some of his characters have completely blown me away. I expect him to get better and better.
Back to the show.
I wonder if Midori truly went nuts or is she pretending to be nuts. Given what she has discovered about Futarou and knowing that she doesn't have a reliable friend (Futarou took care of that) or financial resources (I know he controls the bucks), she probably thinks it's better to be nuts than DEAD! I have no doubt, he'd kill her, too.
@nikkibell84
I love the way you think.
It also took her a long time to decide she'd die to get him back. Futarou's punching in and out showed us that considerable time had passed. Clearly her suicide attempt was calculated.
I will think about the ultimate punishment a bit more.
@Herm
Even as I say that, I absolutely love this character!
Matsuken has been my Johnny Depp in Japan for a long time. One day I gave up even comparing him to JD because Matsuken's his own man, which freaks me out because it's still tough for me to reconcile that he's only 23 or 24. Some of his characters have completely blown me away. I expect him to get better and better.
Back to the show.
I wonder if Midori truly went nuts or is she pretending to be nuts. Given what she has discovered about Futarou and knowing that she doesn't have a reliable friend (Futarou took care of that) or financial resources (I know he controls the bucks), she probably thinks it's better to be nuts than DEAD! I have no doubt, he'd kill her, too.
@nikkibell84
I love the way you think.
I completely agree because she was deliberately pushing everyone away from her. Let's look at it realistically. For certain, there must have been countless guys who would have wanted to move in on Mikuni's billions. There might have been other men who would have accepted her increasingly LARGE green birth mark as well. She decided for herself that she wanted to live in her shell until she found a kindred in Futarou. In this case, his scar, plus his willingness to be as rude and twisted as she was in regards to the watch, certainly endeared him to her.She complains that people only see her birthmark, but the truth is she gives off a very distant and cold vibe.
It also took her a long time to decide she'd die to get him back. Futarou's punching in and out showed us that considerable time had passed. Clearly her suicide attempt was calculated.
This makes her significantly more frightening.Futarou has a twisted view on people (both rich and poor), but he knows it. Akane seems to think her views and what she does is all perfectly normal.
I think he absolutely must believe this is true. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to live (if that's what we're calling it) with the heinous crimes he's committed.He wants everyone to want money, and becomes annoyed and disappointed when they prove otherwise.
I will think about the ultimate punishment a bit more.
@Herm
Part of me suspects Futarou made this final decision based on what the father told him. In his twisted, delusional mind perhaps Mikuni -san would have proven himself to have been a better person if the person in the grave had truly been the love of his life. Or maybe Futarou would have been happier if Mikuni-san had never known true love. I can't seem to hold that conversation in my head... At this point, I can't see how Futarou can be redeemed. I hope they take the ultimate punishment route because he deserves it.but after he called had the father killed about 5 minutes after the father told him how much he liked him, I lost all hope . . .
Even as I say that, I absolutely love this character!
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A few spoiler from the manga
Please forgive the double post. I wanted to keep the manga spoilers separate.
Yesterday, I bought the Zeni Geba manga because I knew it would be different from the drama, thus, I wanted to make some comparisons. I'm not really good at reading manga because I can't stand the concept of disposable books, so please bear with me.
Spoilers! Spoilers! Spoilers!
Yesterday, I bought the Zeni Geba manga because I knew it would be different from the drama, thus, I wanted to make some comparisons. I'm not really good at reading manga because I can't stand the concept of disposable books, so please bear with me.
Spoilers! Spoilers! Spoilers!
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Oh, I do like that idea! Midori faking her mental state in order to wait it out and do what she has to do. Maybe she could be planning her moves and spying. You'd be surprised what people say around someone they think can't hear them or respond.Sapporo Girl wrote:Back to the show.
I wonder if Midori truly went nuts or is she pretending to be nuts. Given what she has discovered about Futarou and knowing that she doesn't have a reliable friend (Futarou took care of that) or financial resources (I know he controls the bucks), she probably thinks it's better to be nuts than DEAD! I have no doubt, he'd kill her, too.
I completely agree because she was deliberately pushing everyone away from her. Let's look at it realistically. For certain, there must have been countless guys who would have wanted to move in on Mikuni's billions. There might have been other men who would have accepted her increasingly LARGE green birth mark as well. She decided for herself that she wanted to live in her shell until she found a kindred in Futarou. In this case, his scar, plus his willingness to be as rude and twisted as she was in regards to the watch, certainly endeared him to her.
It also took her a long time to decide she'd die to get him back. Futarou's punching in and out showed us that considerable time had passed. Clearly her suicide attempt was calculated.
I agree with your agreement. Akane is really frightening to me, because she is so calculated. She knew what to say to get her father to do what she wanted and yet, she pushes everyone away - making herself unhappy in the process. Yes, there would have been men after the money, but they could have used either sister. And, as you said, there must be many men in the world who would have liked her for her and not even seen her birthmark. Because, deep down Akane actually seems like she could be a very sweet girl. After all, both Midori and Mikuni are nice people.
The only reason she became so obsessed with Futarou is because he acted the same way she did - rude, withdrawn, and annoyed with those around them. Akane had threatened to kill herself before, and I agree that she planned her attempt - planned it so carefully that she knew she'd be saved and that they would bring Futarou back for her. Akane plays everyone, even herself.
Re the manga:
I was sure it was darker and even more twisted, but. . . WOW. Where do I start?
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That part bothered me as well, especially when he was waiting for the second thing to happen. It's really tough to sort through Futarou's psychotic mind, but perhaps now that he's got the bucks, this is the first step towards him becoming the type of rich person he hates and despises. He is certifiable. I definitely agree with your assessment of the situation. After all Futarou has done, why couldn't he do *this?* Given that he doesn't love or care about anyone else, he certainly wasn't doing the "fall guy" any favors.
@nikkibell84
I don't remember what he said to Midori. I've already erased it from my disc drive.
I think you're right. Even if Midori is quasi-vegetative, she could still be processing important information. She's second in the cast for a reason, thus, she must be instrumental in helping to determine Futarou's future.
Here are a few more spoilers from the manga. Oh, there are only four volumes. Believe me, that's enough.
Manga Spoilers! Spoilers! Spoilers!
All in all, I'm glad the drama and the manga don't sync well. I wouldn't like it at all. I'm glad they only retained the basic story frame.
That part bothered me as well, especially when he was waiting for the second thing to happen. It's really tough to sort through Futarou's psychotic mind, but perhaps now that he's got the bucks, this is the first step towards him becoming the type of rich person he hates and despises. He is certifiable. I definitely agree with your assessment of the situation. After all Futarou has done, why couldn't he do *this?* Given that he doesn't love or care about anyone else, he certainly wasn't doing the "fall guy" any favors.
@nikkibell84
I don't remember what he said to Midori. I've already erased it from my disc drive.
I think you're right. Even if Midori is quasi-vegetative, she could still be processing important information. She's second in the cast for a reason, thus, she must be instrumental in helping to determine Futarou's future.
She does, doesn't she? It's like when she fell to her knees and talked about the two of them being together forever, she wasn't even talking about love. Her version of love is rather scary and Futarou probably should be afraid of her.Akane plays everyone, even herself.
Here are a few more spoilers from the manga. Oh, there are only four volumes. Believe me, that's enough.
Manga Spoilers! Spoilers! Spoilers!
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I'm rather glad that the manga and the drama don't match up. The manga is just too dark. Futarou is the main character, and because it is a tv show, you do want to feel something other than hatred for the main character. I'll be the first to admit that Futarou barely has any humanity left, but. . . at least he seems to have something goodish hidden deep down.
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I am Futaro
So I am looking for a job and I went to this professional association type meeting to do some networking. . .
I saw this lady who I know works at one of the companies I am interested in from across the room. . .
So I sat there for a few moments and plotted how I would "run into her" and what I would say, etc.
Then I went up to here and did it just as she was leaving . . . got her B card and will follow up in a couple of days . . .
The funny thing was, I could not help thinking about the episode on the boat when Futaro spots Akane from across the room, realizes his opportunity, and then plots to win her over. . .
The feeling I had must have been exactly the same I tell you. Albeit, I have no plans of killing anyone . . .
I saw this lady who I know works at one of the companies I am interested in from across the room. . .
So I sat there for a few moments and plotted how I would "run into her" and what I would say, etc.
Then I went up to here and did it just as she was leaving . . . got her B card and will follow up in a couple of days . . .
The funny thing was, I could not help thinking about the episode on the boat when Futaro spots Akane from across the room, realizes his opportunity, and then plots to win her over. . .
The feeling I had must have been exactly the same I tell you. Albeit, I have no plans of killing anyone . . .
really...the manga is even darker? This drama is FN crazy enough..lol. Great though.
nikkibell84 wrote:I'm rather glad that the manga and the drama don't match up. The manga is just too dark. Futarou is the main character, and because it is a tv show, you do want to feel something other than hatred for the main character. I'll be the first to admit that Futarou barely has any humanity left, but. . . at least he seems to have something goodish hidden deep down.
Ekk. Wow I literally made an D/A account to read and reply on feed back regarding the show.
I have to say that episode was rushed. I liked it though, the other episodes were sometimes really to watch because of all the music and people just staring into space and thinking. I wished they showed the wedding. I didn't even realized they got married, until the pictures of the wedding were showed a second time. I couldn't believe that the father actually allowed it. There is an eight year difference in between them. (I think) I know that age doesn't matter and its the love, but seriously, does a 16 year old really know how to love? Dx Then again Akane is crazy. i don't like how she views the world. As in 'Oh people don't really see me but only my scar" bleh. I actually think she's really pretty, if she smiles.
Feed back on characters so far:
Futarou: Wow. He's letting his madness take control of him. it's creeping me out a little. I think he threw the money because he wanted to convince himself that he wasn't the only person that is money crazy. I think he knows that he is money crazy BUT the part that he doesn't know is that money isn't top priority. Yes money is up there on the list, but there are other things that people value more.
in the end I always he him committing suicide or going crazy in a jail.
I wonder when will he be satisfied. what is he planning next, now that he is the president. I also wonder if he knows that he's going to lose this game.
Also because of my crazy mind, I want Futarou to fall for the high school girl xD
Akane: I never liked her in the beginning and I don't like her now. She's really pathetic in my view. she's willing to strap herself to a guy that doesn't even feel anything for her. She's probably going to kill herself when she learns that Futarou will never like her, no matter what she does. Or that she might try to hurt Futarou but fails. In the end she's going to die. I hope she realizes that she isn't like everyone else and what she does is not natural.
Midori ; I was greatly disappointed in her in this episode. I couldn't believe she lost her mind so easily. I know that she took in a lot of information this round (I was so happy that she has a brain and was willing to intestate ) It was very unrealistic that she just lost her mind. I've read that in this thread some believe that she got drugged by Akane. What makes you think that?
What I hope to see:
I want Futarou to grow and learn about love, friendship and etc. I'm not sure if the show is leading that way. xD
I want the maid to get a brain and take action.
I want midori to come to her senses.
;D
Um not i'm sure what was suppose to be a spoiler and what wasnt xP
I have to say that episode was rushed. I liked it though, the other episodes were sometimes really to watch because of all the music and people just staring into space and thinking. I wished they showed the wedding. I didn't even realized they got married, until the pictures of the wedding were showed a second time. I couldn't believe that the father actually allowed it. There is an eight year difference in between them. (I think) I know that age doesn't matter and its the love, but seriously, does a 16 year old really know how to love? Dx Then again Akane is crazy. i don't like how she views the world. As in 'Oh people don't really see me but only my scar" bleh. I actually think she's really pretty, if she smiles.
Feed back on characters so far:
Futarou: Wow. He's letting his madness take control of him. it's creeping me out a little. I think he threw the money because he wanted to convince himself that he wasn't the only person that is money crazy. I think he knows that he is money crazy BUT the part that he doesn't know is that money isn't top priority. Yes money is up there on the list, but there are other things that people value more.
in the end I always he him committing suicide or going crazy in a jail.
I wonder when will he be satisfied. what is he planning next, now that he is the president. I also wonder if he knows that he's going to lose this game.
Also because of my crazy mind, I want Futarou to fall for the high school girl xD
Akane: I never liked her in the beginning and I don't like her now. She's really pathetic in my view. she's willing to strap herself to a guy that doesn't even feel anything for her. She's probably going to kill herself when she learns that Futarou will never like her, no matter what she does. Or that she might try to hurt Futarou but fails. In the end she's going to die. I hope she realizes that she isn't like everyone else and what she does is not natural.
Midori ; I was greatly disappointed in her in this episode. I couldn't believe she lost her mind so easily. I know that she took in a lot of information this round (I was so happy that she has a brain and was willing to intestate ) It was very unrealistic that she just lost her mind. I've read that in this thread some believe that she got drugged by Akane. What makes you think that?
What I hope to see:
I want Futarou to grow and learn about love, friendship and etc. I'm not sure if the show is leading that way. xD
I want the maid to get a brain and take action.
I want midori to come to her senses.
;D
Um not i'm sure what was suppose to be a spoiler and what wasnt xP
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