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Is that simply the way they are in Japan, or is this a level of intimacy that Japanese actors refuse to go to, in the same way that certain western actors won't do an explicit sex scene?
I just finished watching kimi wa petto last week and the kissing scene in the second to last episode on the couch was very intense. It wasn't one of those fake kisses they really went at it and it wasn't just one kiss it was about 6-7 small kisses. I'll see if I can cut out the clip and put it up. By far the best kiss scene I ever seen in any drama.mitsubachisan wrote:I also recognized that most of the kissing scenes i've watched are far from what we would call passionate...
except takizawa hideaki in boku dake no madonna and matsumoto jun in kimi wa petto
they REALLY kissed
the kiss from takizawa hideaki in boku dake no madonna hurts me...mitsubachisan wrote:I also recognized that most of the kissing scenes i've watched are far from what we would call passionate...
except takizawa hideaki in boku dake no madonna and matsumoto jun in kimi wa petto
they REALLY kissed
While I respect your opinion, I can't agree with it. I don't see the logic in someone thinking "I've watched these two idols fawn over each other through ten episodes and heard their thoughts as they proclaimed their passionate love, but since the kiss was so platonic, I know that I've still got a shot at dating that actress, and a good start would be to buy the candy bars she hawks."aaendaus wrote:If these idols are not attached to anyone it gives the impression that they are also an attainable unattainable person, therefore increasing popularity.
I'm a Horikita Maki fan as well and I had the exact same reaction as you. I rarely get so emotion watching jdramas and I'm also a fan of Yamashita Tomohisa but watching Kurosagi I never wanted to slap him so much for not kissing or comforting Maki.ssih wrote:I think that most of us want to live vicariously through the actors. I know I don't have a shot at her, and I'd like the actor to do what I'd do. In many of the episodes of Kurosagi, they'd show a close-up of Horikita Maki looking sad and tearing up. I wanted to reach into the tv, slap YamaPi and yell, "DUDE!! What is friggin' wrong with you?? Look at her! How can you not kiss her for christ sake!!"
good point of view..i think this is the best answer for the questionnasi_tambah1 wrote:I have no idea that kissing scene would be that 'big deal' for those who are not from Asian.
Some of the comment, does make sense but some of it are really inconsiderate.
From where I'm being raised, we were taught, to kiss only your wife/husband or the person you love only or else they will regard you as scum (no offense).
It just a cultural differences, if you don't respect others people culture, do you expect people from other countries to respect you.
Anyway I enjoy very much watching Japanese drama, actually their differences makes me want to know more about Japanese culture and tradition. Salute to all Japanese people who still hold firmly on their belief and tradition
Man you really made me laugh (the part in bold) Lol. When I was watching the Zettai Kareshi SP, and the kissing scene... yeah... I thought of this thread >__>..... yeah.... hahahaa..........totemokakkoii wrote:haha .. super interesting topic. Actually i too realised this long ago. Among all the asian entertainment, jdramas probably have the least amount of kissing scenes, and the least passionate if there is any. I remembered many times at the climax of the dramas, i will be cheering on "kiss the gal! kiss the gal! you idiot! " and end up seeing just a hug..
yet.. this is one thing I like about jdramas, which keep me watching it after so many years. i just like the innocent and the focus place on the relationship itself. physical contact should not be the main focus in a relationship.
coming from an asian background, i really find it more comforting to watch jdramas with their more innocent and pure themes... i dun wan to be caught by my parents while watching a drama with the 2 leads deeply engrossed in a lips-to-lips fight..
But the thing with the American shows and guys and girls go straight to bed, I guess it's because it really happens in real life (which I think it's really gross, but it really does happen in America, and why we have so many unexpected parents and people who don't wanna take care of those kids)garnet07 wrote:Well I began to prefer Jdoramas or Asian dramas in general more than American ones recently. One reason for this is mainly the way the relationship is handled. For one, they actually show the progress in the relationship and real emotions instead of American's way of showing affection .... ->> straight to bed and sex!!! I find this annoying most of the time. I mean it might show that Americans are very loose in terms of sex. Like dude, you just met a guy/girl in a bar, you think he/she is cute then suddenly you do it on the same day. What the heck!!
Also like what some people said, respect others culture and if you want to see physical affection, go back to watching American soaps, movies (most comedy movies right now are filled with that), or reality shows.
LOL yeah i sometimes can't watch kissing scenes cuz they're so crappykuro570 wrote:QFT! I actually had to get used to their craptastic kissing scenes >.<miznagase wrote:i think pretty much everyone likes to kiss. it's just that they're not good at it
with a few exceptions, of course
When me and my friends hang out, we who study Japanese and the Koreans get to arguing what we call Japan vs. Korea. Hell even Koreans make fun of the way Japanese kiss in dramas so its not just a "western" thing.neofire wrote:Totally agree with groink, it seems like the discussion so far show a great lack of understanding of the Japanese culture, or other the Asian cultures as well.
The showing of kissing and any other intimate acts are not essential to tell the story in regular drama, suggestive representation is normally enough.
Most comments seems to be trying to impose western standard onto the way things are in Japan.
This statement alone goes against Japanese culture. Think about it... Kissing wasn't even introduced in Japan until after the Meiji restoration. And despite several generations of westernized displays of affection, I would say most Japanese don't really have it "down pat." In several articles I've read, it basically explains why, for example, Japanese women long for other Asian men. Or, why manga, anime and even mainstream pornography aren't helping the cause.kuro570 wrote:You say that you don't need to show intimate acts to show something intimate is just ridiculous.
ssih wrote:If the Japanese (or actors) don't like to kiss, they really shouldn't "phone it in" in the dramas. They should do something passionate that they're comfortable with.
In the final episode of Nodame Cantable, Chiaki runs up behind Nodame and embraces her. It was very passionate without being sexual, and far more satisfying than many of the kisses that I've seen.
I have to agree with that sentiment. I felt exactly the same way! When I watched Kurosagi it got to the point I was wishing Horikita wasn't even in the show. If they weren't going to do anything with her character why introduce her? Or put that much emphasis on her? She began feeling like dead weight to me. >_<ssih wrote:I think that most of us want to live vicariously through the actors. I know I don't have a shot at her, and I'd like the actor to do what I'd do. In many of the episodes of Kurosagi, they'd show a close-up of Horikita Maki looking sad and tearing up. I wanted to reach into the tv, slap YamaPi and yell, "DUDE!! What is friggin' wrong with you?? Look at her! How can you not kiss her for christ sake!!"
I'm going to repeat myself. Japanese dramas are filmed ONLY for the Japanese. What you're questioning here is whether or not the Japanese know how to kiss? Do you really think the Japanese care what foreigners think of their kissing technique? I would say that there is NO wrong way to kiss. I've watched my share of Japanese hardcore pornography, and even these people don't kiss the way westerners expect people to kiss. Again, kissing was just recently introduced to Japan. So I've accepted the fact that there are different ways of kissing. Eskimos rub their noses - are we going to tell them they're expressing passion the wrong way?muggle87 wrote:Why cant they kiss, why must they look like two dead fish being force to kiss lord, there were dramas that would have been perfect if it wasnt for the lousy kiss or lack of passion, sometimes i get so turned off by the lack of any chemistry between main leads in a drama that i drop it. i dont need a wild west sex or full blow makeout session, but at least look like u really want to kiss, even a brush of lips can look passionate.
I would do that toossih wrote: I think that most of us want to live vicariously through the actors. I know I don't have a shot at her, and I'd like the actor to do what I'd do. In many of the episodes of Kurosagi, they'd show a close-up of Horikita Maki looking sad and tearing up. I wanted to reach into the tv, slap YamaPi and yell, "DUDE!! What is friggin' wrong with you?? Look at her! How can you not kiss her for christ sake!!"
The last thing we need in this planet is uniformity. I respect countries that do things in their own unique way it makes the world more interesting.I'm American and I really appreciate the subtlety of love scenes/romance in Japanese dramas. I'm no prude but US tv has gotten way out of control with what they show us - semi nude, etc. I hope the Japanese continue to do things their own way and aren't unduly influenced by the US.
groink wrote:I'm going to repeat myself. Japanese dramas are filmed ONLY for the Japanese. What you're questioning here is whether or not the Japanese know how to kiss? Do you really think the Japanese care what foreigners think of their kissing technique? I would say that there is NO wrong way to kiss. I've watched my share of Japanese hardcore pornography, and even these people don't kiss the way westerners expect people to kiss. Again, kissing was just recently introduced to Japan. So I've accepted the fact that there are different ways of kissing. Eskimos rub their noses - are we going to tell them they're expressing passion the wrong way?muggle87 wrote:Why cant they kiss, why must they look like two dead fish being force to kiss lord, there were dramas that would have been perfect if it wasnt for the lousy kiss or lack of passion, sometimes i get so turned off by the lack of any chemistry between main leads in a drama that i drop it. i dont need a wild west sex or full blow makeout session, but at least look like u really want to kiss, even a brush of lips can look passionate.
Just accept these facts:
1. There is no wrong way of kissing.
2. Japanese use symbolism to express love that is different from other cultures. it works for the Japanese. That's all that really should matter.
--- groink
I don't read/understand broken English writings like this. D-Addicts is not a BlackBerry.muggle87 wrote:Yeah u seem to neglect the rest of the things i said, u can't pick and choose which one fits ur reasoning,
1. kisses btwn guys in their yaoi hints drama look more passionate.
u neglect/ignore that part.
In end u can stick to ur reasoning, and i can stick to mine, im me, you are you.
Okay, I write it in your terms, u as in "you", neglected the rest of the things, (still with me?) I said, u as in "you" can't pick and choose (I'm not going to fast for you?) which one fits ur as in "your" reasoning.groink wrote:I don't read/understand broken English writings like this. D-Addicts is not a BlackBerry.muggle87 wrote:Yeah u seem to neglect the rest of the things i said, u can't pick and choose which one fits ur reasoning,
1. kisses btwn guys in their yaoi hints drama look more passionate.
u neglect/ignore that part.
In end u can stick to ur reasoning, and i can stick to mine, im me, you are you.
--- groink
lol I love this thread... well said, chasen. Yea Coffee Prince has some good kissing.. lots of kissing. That was one of my favorites. Also check out the new k-drama "Triple" where it involves a young teenage figure skater seducing her 35-year old step-brother and he ends up falling in love with her. Lots of intimate moments and kissing involved. As for Japanese dramas I have seen have almost no kissing.. their acting is sub-par and have no passion. Go watch Triple lol...chasen8888 wrote: Its also one of the reasons why I got turned off by jdramas to a degree, their shows had little or no passion to it. Not looking for a US type of drama mind you, but please act as if you live or exists or even feeilng something. If you want to see some form of dramas showing that there is more to life with some kissing or romance or comedy, I highly recommend that you check out kdramas and twdramas. Twdramas are usually lighthearted (in terms of story content, most of them are comedic) but there is usually some kissing in it, I'll say 8/10. With kdramas its there but not as pronounced, the focus is more on the story, but they do provide some form of passion (in terms of life to it) and show that there is more to life than just work or a dream. Even when there is no kissing in the drama, you get the sense of romance to it. There is very little/no explicit sex scenes, so they can definitely be watched. I recommend kdrama - Coffee Prince as a starter for you (kdrama), Resurrection (suspense with a bit of romance), 1% of anything (its good as well, introduced me to kdrama); Fated to love you (twdrama) these are good stuff for what you are looking for (mysoju.com has all of them and more).
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