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[Discussion] Orthrus no Inu (Takizawa Hideaki, Nishikido Ry)
eh?? I just re-watched Ousama no brunch again to see if I missed something when I saw it live. Did you guys get the scene mixed up? They showed scenes from episode 8 not 9. I didn't see any scenes I didn't recognize already. Is the scene where you saw Ryuzaki with something on his head lying down? If it is, that's episode 8.
It could be the dad? He didn't want Ryuzaki to heal him. But then Ryuzaki is not around either. Could be both. Well, if it's both, then I'll be hating Aoi. He's a stupid kid.
I tend to think maybe both are alive. Warner brothers was talking about thinking of making a spin of it into a movie. Hmm..maybe he means American movie. "US version of this TV drama and hopefully we can make a movie from this tv series."
I tend to think maybe both are alive. Warner brothers was talking about thinking of making a spin of it into a movie. Hmm..maybe he means American movie. "US version of this TV drama and hopefully we can make a movie from this tv series."
Finally, Orthros no Inu has ended. what a drama we had with this one. i hated the drama at first and made me so frustrated. nothing made sense and the acting was all over the place. thank god that they came to their senses and made all these changes because this story had so much potential.
one thing i still do not understand even now that it has ended. why and for what precise reason Ryuzaki is the evil character in this story and everyone find it very natural and reasonable to kill him?why?
one thing i still do not understand even now that it has ended. why and for what precise reason Ryuzaki is the evil character in this story and everyone find it very natural and reasonable to kill him?why?
I think every one wants to kill Ryu because they know that his hands will cause lot of commotion and incidents like the hospital will happen again...people will use him to threaten other people and so on...and in the end only people and himself get hurt. Sawamura uses the excuse that it's his job to keep the country safe...but seem like he is more jeolous of Ryu then anything. But what I dont understand is that why Aoi resents Ryu's power so much?? Is it because Ryu refuses to save as many people as Aoi wants....he sounds like it's his mission to kill Ryu....At least he saves the people that Aoi wants like his student and her mom...
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I must say this drama turns out to be a disappointment. Acting wise, can't blame the actors when their characters are badly written, and scratching like I wonder if it's because the whole thing is a gathering of many writers so the ideas are all scattered ,the story doesn't follow and leaves holes everywhere The original idea has potentials, but the way they persecute it makes me think they don't know what they're writing at all. Or, should it be what they wanted it to be and what they made it to be are different. There's certain ideas they want to add in but dropped halfway, etc
Honestly in the end I felt cheated. well, I guess too much expectation, but hey, they even compared it to some USA tv series lol hard not to build some expectations.
Tackey's role isn't that 'evil' after all. Again, bad directing from the screen writers. I'm not really Tackey's fans so I don't mind if his character is real bad. It'd be much more interesting I believe... like a two men's fight. I hate it when the main characters are all good people lol
No comment on the ending, cause I didn't get any of it. What the whole thing is supposed to mean. Makes me feel like nothing ever happened, duh No message was delivered = fail.
Honestly in the end I felt cheated. well, I guess too much expectation, but hey, they even compared it to some USA tv series lol hard not to build some expectations.
Tackey's role isn't that 'evil' after all. Again, bad directing from the screen writers. I'm not really Tackey's fans so I don't mind if his character is real bad. It'd be much more interesting I believe... like a two men's fight. I hate it when the main characters are all good people lol
No comment on the ending, cause I didn't get any of it. What the whole thing is supposed to mean. Makes me feel like nothing ever happened, duh No message was delivered = fail.
very true! i am comparing the drama with how badly it started because if you compare the first 3ep with the rest, if the rest remained same, i would have been so frustrated that would stop watching all together.
there HUGE failure on writer(s) part. they failed to write each character properly. they failed to give us proper answers, the story was not matching up.
i don't mind my fav actor as a bad/negative character. actually sometimes i prefer it over perfect goody character. but if they want to show that Ryuzaki is the negative charcater i this drama, then they have to convince us. i was still asking myself why everyone think of Ryuzaki as evil person till the end. was still confused if i have missed something through out the drama. the same goes for Aoi's character.
i need subs to understand what happened in last few minutes and what was the end result.
there HUGE failure on writer(s) part. they failed to write each character properly. they failed to give us proper answers, the story was not matching up.
i don't mind my fav actor as a bad/negative character. actually sometimes i prefer it over perfect goody character. but if they want to show that Ryuzaki is the negative charcater i this drama, then they have to convince us. i was still asking myself why everyone think of Ryuzaki as evil person till the end. was still confused if i have missed something through out the drama. the same goes for Aoi's character.
i need subs to understand what happened in last few minutes and what was the end result.
I just finished ep9. Well...all I can say is...eh? The ending wasn't that bad. But like others pointed out here, there's a lot of unanswered questions and some parts don't make sense. I'm not really sure what their message was. All people are selfish? Well, at least at the end they proved not all are selfish and there are some who care for others more rather than themselves, but they're kids. Makes you wonder how long that innocence would last once they grow up anyhow. Is there really a hope for the future? They showed a glimmer of hope.
I also wonder why they wrote everyone so Elmo. The only smart person in the drama seems to be Ryuzaki with the cool head and demeanor. Although I thought Tackey did a good portrayal of Ryuzaki's character, I found character lacking. With all his mysteriousness and cunning, I was expecting something really awesome from him but it turned out bland. I don't really care if they chose to make Ryuzaki good or evil but they need more "push" for the character. I know he's a tortured soul, however I was hoping he would find some sort of salvation and love.
Regarding American style script writing. What's so great about it? I watched Heros and it sucked. I thought it would be something like Marvel or DC comics style like X-men, FF4, Legion of Super Heros or something but it was crappy.
I also wonder why they wrote everyone so Elmo. The only smart person in the drama seems to be Ryuzaki with the cool head and demeanor. Although I thought Tackey did a good portrayal of Ryuzaki's character, I found character lacking. With all his mysteriousness and cunning, I was expecting something really awesome from him but it turned out bland. I don't really care if they chose to make Ryuzaki good or evil but they need more "push" for the character. I know he's a tortured soul, however I was hoping he would find some sort of salvation and love.
After watching the last episode I can finally say that this is the most confusing TV show I’ve seen in my life. There are so many things I don’t understand about the story that it’s getting frustrating. It’s not just Hasebe and the brothers. It’s everything. The plot consisted of random events without logical connection. No explanations, no development, no closure, nothing. People did stuff and said things just to get the story moving and that’s it.
I can’t believe I wasted my time with this.
I can’t believe I wasted my time with this.
After watching the last episode with subs, I guess it's somewhat clearer what happened. I got pretty teary near the end T_T. I could feel the solitude they both felt. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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Heh, I'm thinking along the same lines in regards to the ending... I think that Aoi knows that Ryuzaki is safe and has faith they will meet again. There's nothing to indicate that they have amnesia, I think the scene was supposed to show that they just missed each other (this time anyway). I have faith that they'll meet again in the future now that they've both found some peace. And yeah, the originally idea was awesome but the execution left much to be wished for. I still think both actors did a good job, considering what they had to work with, except for the unnecessary AND annoying Hasebe character. It makes me sad that Orthros no Inu didn't come near it's full potential.blackskies wrote:
The drama was a total mess in the middle but despite the logic holes I thought it kinda shaped up in the last two episodes (although I still want a scene where Aoi figures out the truth about them being brothers... that rather came out of the blue! I wonder if he put together the pieces from finding Ryuzaki's good luck charm that he dropped at the hospital? He was gazing upon in a latter scene...)
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Since you hated everything about the drama...It's really beyond me how you kept watching it? If I hated a drama so much I would stop watching it after 1-2 episodes. I just skimmed your report on it and I think your writing seems to fly off on tangents. Your thoughts seem to be flying from one area to the next which I don't follow and it turns into ramblings sometimes. I agree the writing sucks, but I don't think all the actors were that bad. They're working with a bad script. Tackey's acting I don't think was horrible. He's expressionless but that's his character. Once you start feeling "I don't care if I die", I don't think you be running around smiling. O_o
I second everything seirin said. i did not like the drama's first 3 eps and i decided to give up because there is not point in watching something you hate so much but thank god that i decided to give it another chance with ep4 and after that it got better and better. Tacky's character is very complex considering his background and how he lived his life the past 28 years. and the fact that he has not seen a single happy day in his life since his mother and brother were gone and then been in jail for past 10 years (i think) make up for his expressionless personality.seirin wrote:Since you hated everything about the drama...It's really beyond me how you kept watching it? If I hated a drama so much I would stop watching it after 1-2 episodes. I just skimmed your report on it and I think your writing seems to fly off on tangents. Your thoughts seem to be flying from one area to the next which I don't follow and it turns into ramblings sometimes. I agree the writing sucks, but I don't think all the actors were that bad. They're working with a bad script. Tackey's acting I don't think was horrible. He's expressionless but that's his character. Once you start feeling "I don't care if I die", I don't think you be running around smiling. O_o
i just remembered the moment when that politican lady asked him when was the last time he drank saki and he said that he was underage when he was sentensed..
To tell you the truth some parts of your review were really hard to read. I had to reread several times to get the general idea.Or may be my english isn't as good as I thought it is.Ender's Girl wrote:My thoughts on Orthros no Inu:
http://endersgirrrl.wordpress.com/2010/ ... -tbs-2009/
That said, I agree with the parts I understood. Orthros No Inu was awful. It was so awful that I can't believe I managed to finish it.
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Lol, I know, right. Watching Orthros can do that to you! I'm pretty sure there was a cogent thread of thought (or two) underneath the rambling, but you just skimmed it, so...seirin wrote:I just skimmed your report on it and I think your writing seems to fly off on tangents. Your thoughts seem to be flying from one area to the next which I don't follow and it turns into ramblings sometimes.
I'm sure there's nothing wrong with your English comprehension. Trust me, I'm usually more... lucid than this, but my mind was one roiling mess by the time I was done watching Orthros... such is the power of that drama, tsk. At least now I can go around and say, "Tackey fried my brain!" lolnell123 wrote: To tell you the truth some parts of your review were really hard to read. I had to reread several times to get the general idea.Or may be my english isn't as goof as I thought it is.
seirin wrote: Since you hated everything about the drama...It's really beyond me how you kept watching it? If I hated a drama so much I would stop watching it after 1-2 episodes.
True, I normally ditch a drama I've lost interest in after the first few episodes, but I stayed with Orthros for three reasons:
1) I was riveted by Tackey's "acting" with the same morbid fascination as when watching a train wreck. How could I turn my eyes away from such a... spectacle?
2) Nishikido Ryo's acting wasn't bad at all, and I thought I'd give him a chance this time.
3) The drama's concept WAS interesting, and I wanted to see how it would play out, with or without the terrible writing.
seirin wrote: I agree the writing sucks, but I don't think all the actors were that bad. They're working with a bad script. Tackey's acting I don't think was horrible. He's expressionless but that's his character. Once you start feeling "I don't care if I die", I don't think you be running around smiling. O_o
Therein lies the rub: you guys obviously understand Ryuzaki better than Tackey ever did, lol. Yes, Tackey's character is supposed to be dark and complex, but even someone as emotionally desolate and psychologically damaged as Ryuzaki was written to be would still show indications of that complexity... Like a flash of the eyes, a fleeting expression, a change in his inflection--something that would give away that inner chaos seething just beneath the emotionless mask. All I got from Tackey was a blank wall, and beyond that--nothing. *shrugs*Issy wrote: I second everything seirin said. i did not like the drama's first 3 eps and i decided to give up because there is not point in watching something you hate so much but thank god that i decided to give it another chance with ep4 and after that it got better and better. Tacky's character is very complex considering his background and how he lived his life the past 28 years. and the fact that he has not seen a single happy day in his life since his mother and brother were gone and then been in jail for past 10 years (i think) make up for his expressionless personality.
i just remembered the moment when that politican lady asked him when was the last time he drank saki and he said that he was underage when he was sentensed..
Oh, but we did! We did, didn't we? And lived to tell the tale!nell123 wrote: That said, I agree with the parts I understood. Orthros No Inu was awful. It was so awful that I can't believe I managed to finish it.
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Oh, but we did! We did, didn't we? And lived to tell the tale! [/quote]Ender's Girl wrote: That said, I agree with the parts I understood. Orthros No Inu was awful. It was so awful that I can't believe I managed to finish it.
Yes, but I wish it wasn't so. Orthros had the potential to be something really interesting. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a confusing mess. It was like another Bloody Monday but worse. Considering that mystery/thriller dramas are not made very often, I wonder how come the production team can be satisfied with doing such a lousy job.
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They did show a flash of his eyes. From his side glances. Albeit a bit fast. It's not like Korean drama where they spend 5-10 minutes dwelling the camera on the eyes cuz they gotta spread the drama through 16-20 episodes. But seriously I would die if Orthros aired 16 episodes. I hate long dramas and the script fell to pieces. I think they're biting off more than they can chew. Attempting something outside their abilities to write. If you notice, many dramas are basing stories on mangas because they're more interesting and better written.Ender's Girl wrote: Therein lies the rub: you guys obviously understand Ryuzaki better than Tackey ever did, lol. Yes, Tackey's character is supposed to be dark and complex, but even someone as emotionally desolate and psychologically damaged as Ryuzaki was written to be would still show indications of that complexity... Like a flash of the eyes, a fleeting expression, a change in his inflection--something that would give away that inner chaos seething just beneath the emotionless mask. All I got from Tackey was a blank wall, and beyond that--nothing. *shrugs*
What I the writers did was try to throw the viewer off by describing Ryuzaki as an evil person. So everyone expected him to be evil. Hence the copy of "Silent of the Lambs" didn't work well. I never sensed that Ryuzaki was evil. With his blank/calm look, I was drawn in by what his thoughts were inside. Because you can't read his thoughts, he becomes mysterious and interesting. You wonder what he's thinking. Rather than looking at how people view Ryuzaki, how exactly did Ryuzaki get into this situation. He doesn't look evil (maybe cuz he has a handsome face) but everyone says he is. There must be something more than meets the eyes, but his face won't tell you "I'm innocent". So you keep watching wondering how the story unfolds to prove what you hope was right. That he's not such a bad guy and there's more than meets the eye. His smirk sometimes throws you off too. In the end, you realize he's just human. He's neither good or bad. He's just how the environment has made him.
What they failed at was copying American writing. At first I thought it was a good idea. They seldom do suspense thrillers and it would be something fresh. The differences between American and Japanese writing is, American stories end it in single episodes. They're more like "mini stories" which can run for several seasons. Whereas Japanese story has to have a beginning, an ending and last 11 episodes. Also, I find recently many American shows are crap. I stopped watching US sitcoms many years ago. They're following a formula that doesn't work anymore.
I think what happened to you was different from us. You probably got brain over load from five writers throwing different ideas at you and they're complicated ideas not expressed well. You watched it all at one go right? Some of the rest of us who posted earlier watched it week by week. So we had a week to digest the episode and ponder before we continued to the next. So our brain wasn't fried and we had more time to understand it a bit more by taki0ng a look at the overall story to try to make sense of it. The end wasn't satisfying but what do you expect? It happens to many dramas. They build up the suspense and then try to finish it off in one episode which never works.
Even a well written drama like Jin couldn't finish it off in one episode. The last episode left everyone hanging and TBS says they have no intention of a special or season 2.
There was also problems with production because Ryo got sick and they lost a week of air time. That also cut the story a bit abrupt. I think the lost 15 minutes could have focused on what happened to the boys after they lost their powers.
As for Ryo's acting. I thought it was pretty bad. I prefered Tackey's acting or role. At least he was more interesting. Ryo seemed like a walking zombie or on drugs. For a teacher, you would think he would be more lively. Teachers are suppose to have a "genki" air because otherwise students get bored in class. I don't see any energy coming out of him. He looks tired and even his smiles seem half hearted. When you smile, your eyes light up and you form a smile. His smile is sleepy eyes and lips forming a smile like "I'm smiling because I have to". His character was pretty pathetic IMO. He's too shallow and naive. Actually, all the characters weren't written well. Most of them irritated me. Hasabe is a useless detective. The little girl was cute though.
I didn't say that. I understood part of their message. I didn't think it was totally awful. A bit cliche but not totally bad. Basically what they wanted to show was "Humans are self serving and untrustworthy. But there's a glimmer a hope". The message just wasn't delivered well.Ender's Girl wrote:seirin wrote: That said, I agree with the parts I understood. Orthros No Inu was awful. It was so awful that I can't believe I managed to finish it.
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My bad. I mistakenly put seirin's name when I quoted you in my previous post. Sorry, nell123. Post amended accordingly.nell123 wrote:@ seirin:
The last quote is not from your post, it's from mine. I don't know why your name is on it.
@ seirin
Yeah, I did watch Orthros all in one go, as is the case with most dramas I pick up. I suppose you're right about my "wholesale" viewing being a big factor. Come to think of if, watching dramas in one fell swoop is a double-edged sword, precisely because it amplifies the pluses/minuses of the story, acting, direction, etc. So good dramas become better, while the sucky ones appear, well, even suckier.
I heard about Ryo being downed by swine flu around this time. Too bad it affected the ending, although it doesn't change the fact that the writing WAS pretty lousy from day (or episode) one.
LOL @ "walking zombie or on drugs"
(But, c'mon, you've never had a teacher (high school or university) that bored you senseless? I've endured professors who were A LOT more listless than Ryo's character ever was.)
Lol, it's kind of funny how the fans who liked Tackey's performance hated Ryo's, and vice versa. I have yet to see a viewer reaction extolling or slamming BOTH performances at the same time.
I guess this really proves that one fangirl's meat is another fangirl's poison. But it's cool, it's all good, baby.
Well, are those boring teachers you had popular with the students? Usually they're popular because they're hot looking and have some sort of charisma. But I think the personality probably draws students more than looks. For example if someone was an interesting teacher or what not. Also, working as a teacher in Japan, I think they prefer the "genkiness". If the teacher is boring, chances are the students won't really like the teacher. His teacher character seemed to be well liked by students in the drama. It's beyond me if he's boring and tired looking all the time.Ender's Girl wrote: (But, c'mon, you've never had a teacher (high school or university) that bored you senseless? I've endured professors who were A LOT more listless than Ryo's character ever was.)
I don't think I'm fangirling when I talk about Tackey and Ryo's acting. I can say Tackey isn't the best actor around. I only like some of his projects and some are a bit dull. He seems to do the "quiet, cool, mysterious" type well. His acting abilities are limited to those styles. I've seen Ryo's acting. I thought he did a pretty good job in 1 litre of tears. And he did a great job in Last Friends. So much I couldn't watch it cuz he freaks me out and I didn't like the les thing going on. But the teacher role just doesn't fit Ryo. I always see good and popular teachers as the handsome and charismatic or the pretty ones. eg) the teacher in "bara no nai hanaya", GTO, gokusen, etc.
Also Ryo's character Aoi is written so naive and black and white, I don't know how he's a good teacher. Usually teachers are well educated. They should be able to balance right and wrong. The writing is just so bad. Aoi's logic is totally wacked. I sometimes want to smack some sense into him cuz he's so stupid. Hasabe is the other useless character I want to smack sense into.
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Sorry for bumping, but I've been out of the loop for J-Dramas for a 1+ now. I have a list of (now) 22 to watch, and started off with Orthros no Inu ( <3 Nishikido Ryo). I loved it a lot, but the ending is so bittersweet. I even started crying, gah. x_x Kind of sucks that there's no SP, but I'll just use my imagination and make myself my own personal epilogue of sorts.
Just saw this recently and despite the bad story-telling and the plot holes, I found its overall concept to be quite interesting. I know this comes a bit late but for what it's worth, here's my own take on the series --
http://rundown-zoo.blogspot.com/2010/07 ... o-inu.html
http://rundown-zoo.blogspot.com/2010/07 ... o-inu.html
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