Never mind) Actually my english poor too:) i'm russian)lyra64 wrote:I understand what you say (sorry i'm french, and my english is bad), and i think it's scnarist' s error.
Or they wanted make an "ambigous" carater. Strong and weak
The similarities pretty much ends there.koyuki-chan wrote:after watching the 9th episode, i have a conclusion that this drama plot is similar to Asunaro Hakusho
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But since the writer is the same;the environment and story is still different, so I think the similarity doesn't matter anymore.
This drama is one of my favorites this season.
currently watching:
Sunao Ni Narenakute; Tsuki No Koibito
Well, he needs to be on his toes anyway, since a baby isn't an easy task to handle. Ahaha.Yup.Orion1986 wrote:Ahaha. See? It all depends on personal preference.
Umm, time to leave. This is no place for BASHERS.Orion1986 wrote:Exactly. Subplots and characters that appeared and disappeared for no reason, doing things that random characters could do.
So many things about this series that don't make sense and just seem quickly and carelessly done. And of course, the "well thought-out" ones are shallow and meaningless. Again, personal opinion. I'm a romantic person so I look for real romance in a series. Not this stuff.
I SHALL SECOND THATOrion1986 wrote:GOD, I hope she does!
Orion1986 wrote:This ain't an insane asylum either, kimigasukinanda, but here you are. And here I'll be. It takes more than some pathetic and immature insults to drive me away, luv, so let's just get out of each other's way here. And no one's buying your "insanity defence" anyway so stop using it as an excuse to insult. Unless you need more reminding of how inappropriate it is to insult people.
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LOL. 'Highly valuable' ? OK~~ sure.kimigasukinanda wrote:Warning: important and highly valuable analysis under the cut:
I don't want to give too much away, but you may like Dare Yori mo Mama Ai Su (2006) The actor who plays Linda in in it.raimi wrote:okay, that's it, I'm dropping this.9 eps are clearly enough for me.
I haven't seen the series this is a "rip-off" of, but the plot angers me enough by now. As much as I like Eita, Tetsuji and Juri, that's the final ep for me. It's a pity, SunaNare tugged at my heart-strings so much.
Interesting that you pointed that out: seems like gay characters in dramas either have to be tortured souls or cartoonishly flamboyant... I guess being a regular person who happens to be gay makes for an uninteresting character in the J-drama world.raimi wrote:okay, that's it, I'm dropping this.
I haven't seen the series this is a "rip-off" of, but the plot angers me enough by now. As much as I like Eita, Tetsuji and Juri, that's the final ep for me. It's a pity, SunaNare tugged at my heart-strings so much.
You read my mind about Masumi from Nodame.Orion1986 wrote:It's true. We were talking about it in the Jang Keun Suk thread. Most works about gay people in Japan and South Korea are sad. It's like "You're Gay = You suffer and/or die" in japanese and korean movies.
Either that or we get Masumi-like over the top characters that are comic reliefs.
Yeah, I doubt that was the intent...I mean, why make homosexuality depressing or a joke? Is that how you're trying to promote it as a part of society and get people used to it? Cause lemme tell you something, you're doing it wrong.
I just wish we'd get more normal and down to Earth gay characters in j and k works. And if the actor is good and character well written, they are anything but boring.
Has anyone seen the korean drama "Personal Taste"? There's actually a very normal gay man there and he's the most interesting character in it. Because he's an honorable person, a normal man and also played by a very talented actor.
Linda as well is presented as weak, suffering, but unable to do something about it. He's shown as a coward.
Unless they had shock value in mind like "Don't be afraid to come out of the closet cause holding it in will hurt you", but I doubt such a shallow series had such important moral lessons for its viewers in mind.
Last Friends is pretty much the only series I've seen where the gay character's issues were handled well and didn't leave her to be alone and suffering because she loved another woman.Orion1986 wrote:
Last Friends handled that issue quite well (IMO) by having Ruka deal with it in a pretty honest manner... If that had been the main focus instead of that "other" story, it would have been a great, even landmark, drama...
Ooh, one of my pet subjects!Orion1986 wrote:It's true. We were talking about it in the Jang Keun Suk thread. Most works about gay people in Japan and South Korea are sad. It's like "You're Gay = You suffer and/or die" in japanese and korean movies.
Either that or we get Masumi-like over the top characters that are comic reliefs.
I mean, why make homosexuality depressing or a joke? Is that how you're trying to promote it as a part of society and get people used to it? Cause lemme tell you something, you're doing it wrong.
I just wish we'd get more normal and down to Earth gay characters in j and k works. And if the actor is good and character well written, they are anything but boring.
Has anyone seen the korean drama "Personal Taste"? There's actually a very normal gay man there and he's the most interesting character in it. Because he's an honorable person, a normal man and also played by a very talented actor.
Linda as well is presented as weak, suffering, but unable to do something about it. He's shown as a coward.
Unless they had shock value in mind like "Don't be afraid to come out of the closet cause holding it in will hurt you", but I doubt such a shallow series had such important moral lessons for its viewers in mind.
It's not just an Asian drama thing - it's a long-standing "tradition" in Western film and television to kill off (or just make incredibly miserable) gay and lesbian characters. There are many books on the subject e.g. - Vito Russo's The Celluloid Closet.
Even if she didn't get exactly what she wanted, she got something that made her happy. 
She sure does! That's what set her apart from other actresses.Jaejoong said “Juri-chan is amazing. She’s never tired” with respect he also said “she has guts!”
Interesting that you should mention that: a ways back on the Nodame thread at J-D, the one lone item I didn't really like about the drama was the Masumi character was portrayed as flamboyant and obsessive, a stereotypical gay portrayal in dramas... And one member accused me of being a homophobe for criticizing that stereotype... WTF?????vege-okonomiyaki wrote:It's nothing new, but it would be nice if drama writers could try to stop reinforcing these stereotypes, because it just encourages homophobia and makes life harder for people on the verge of 'coming out'. It's just lazy writing in my opinion.
True.I liked Last Friends a lot more because nothing bad happened to Ruka!
I wonder if the fact that almost ALL Japanese dramas having between 9 to 12 episodes standards is one of the factors why it's hard for them to elaborate on other characters story deeply or made it looked like it was lazy written? I mean, I had a feeling that if they were so focused in fitting every possible plots into 10 or 11 episodes, there're bound to have alot of other things left out or plot holes or plots that seemed to be too rushed. That might be the reason for Linda's case?vege-okonomiyaki wrote:It's nothing new, but it would be nice if drama writers could try to stop reinforcing these stereotypes, because it just encourages homophobia and makes life harder for people on the verge of 'coming out'. It's just lazy writing in my opinion.
LOL If it were me I would TOTALLY have stalked him. Hehehe.bmwracer wrote:LOL, when I was working in the yard today, I saw this Korean guy walking through my neighborhood and he so looked like Doctor with the hair color, hairstyle, and physical features....
I really wanted to call him out and kick his butt.
I think they really are talking about their actual characters; the really immature Doctor and the really indecisive Haru. xDOutside wrote:The one in 'red' up there, sounds to me like they are talking about each other personality instead of the actual characters! hahaha
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