[Discussion] Himitsu (Sasaki Kuranosuke, Shida Mirai)
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[Discussion] Himitsu (Sasaki Kuranosuke, Shida Mirai)
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* Title: 秘密
* Title (romaji): Himitsu
* Episodes: TBA
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* Broadcast network: TV Asahi
* Broadcast period: 2010-Oct-15
* Air time: Friday 23:15
Synopsis
The story involves a married couple, where the wife dies but her spirit ends up inside the couple's daughter (Shida).
Casts
* Sasaki Kuranosuke
* Shida Mirai
* Ishida Hikari
* Motokariya Yuika
* Hayashi Tantan
* Hashimoto Satoshi
* Ikezu Shoko
* Masu Takeshi
* Ryusei Ryo
* Horiuchi Keiko
* Fukikoshi Mitsuru
Production Credits
* Original writing (novel): Himitsu by Keigo Higashino
Official site
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A press conference for the upcoming drama, “Himitsu“, which stars Shida Mirai and Sasaki Kuranosuke, was held on October 12th. Mirai and Sasaki will play a “married” couple in which Sasaki’s dead wife’s spirit goes into his daughter (Mirai). The “couple” will have a 25 year age difference.
It has also been confirmed that there will be a love scene involving the two of them, and Sasaki said, “If it was not for the drama, I would be in big trouble.” Shida mentioned that she was a bit embarrassed by the scene. tokyohive
it is more complicated than that. Yes, Shida Mirai plays the daughter; but, she also plays the mother. She is a mixture of Monami (daughter), and Naoko (mother).
I will say no more, because I do not know how close the drama will be to the book; all I will say is
Yes the story is difficult. Yes, the relationships are strange. You cannot think of it simply as a father-daughter thing, it is more complicated than that.
This drama is base on a novel, which was also made into a movie in 1999. The daughter with the memory of the mother was played by Hirosue Ryoko.
Having only saw the movie and not read the novel, I think the daughter's memory was completely lost in the movie. So the drama will have a different take on. I don't know what the original novel deal with the daughter's memory.
Having only saw the movie and not read the novel, I think the daughter's memory was completely lost in the movie. So the drama will have a different take on. I don't know what the original novel deal with the daughter's memory.
The novel starts with Monami as an elementary school child (Year 6) when the accident happens. THE FOLLOWING IS MORE FROM THE BOOK PLOT. The film and the book are VERY different in feeling.XrayMind wrote:This drama is base on a novel, which was also made into a movie in 1999. The daughter with the memory of the mother was played by Hirosue Ryoko.
Having only saw the movie and not read the novel, I think the daughter's memory was completely lost in the movie. So the drama will have a different take on. I don't know what the original novel deal with the daughter's memory.
Ed: The drama starts in a similar way to the film (with an older Monami) but, hopefully that does not take from the story. They have much longer to deal with things.
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Just watched Ep1!! Definitely a good drama! I cried already.
I missed Ishida Hikari, haven't seen her since Asunaro Hakusho (the 1993 drama). Shida Mirai did a good job playing the mother/wife role. And I'm glad Ishida Hikari still appears from time to time even after the mother's "death".
From what I see from the 2nd ep preview, seem like the relationship and situation between Heisuke and Naoko (in Monami's body) is really going to be a big mess!^^
This is definitely one of the drama I'll be following every week, this season^^
I missed Ishida Hikari, haven't seen her since Asunaro Hakusho (the 1993 drama). Shida Mirai did a good job playing the mother/wife role. And I'm glad Ishida Hikari still appears from time to time even after the mother's "death".
From what I see from the 2nd ep preview, seem like the relationship and situation between Heisuke and Naoko (in Monami's body) is really going to be a big mess!^^
This is definitely one of the drama I'll be following every week, this season^^
looks like a reunion between Sasaki Kuranosuke & Motokariya Yuika from Boku no Aruku Michi where he played an older brother. I'm not familiar with the movie and/or novel, but it looks interesting how the lead character Mirai manage swapping emotions/personality as Naoko and the daughter who passed away.
It's the ONLY Higashino novel ever translated to English, negz2009 wrote:Yes; as "Naoko" by Keigo Higashino.nadesico wrote:Has the book been released in English? I'm very curious about it , and I'll definitely follow this drama, it sounds really intriguing.
I wish there are more of his novels translated to English, I wonder if it's difficult to get a copyright from him.
Btw, so in the novel, Heisuke likes Monami's teacher?? hmm....
Thanks for the answer! I'll definitely buy it, such a pity there's only one book translated, he sounds like a talented and prolific author.gz2009 wrote:Yes; as "Naoko" by Keigo Higashino.nadesico wrote:Has the book been released in English? I'm very curious about it , and I'll definitely follow this drama, it sounds really intriguing.
I've just watched the 1st episode and I'm wondering: should we consider Minami dead? And I kind of didn't understand what was going on during the scene with all the victims relatives... I'll have to wait patiently for subs, is anyone is willing to take this project.
Himitsu (Film, 1999 Original Title: Himitsu, 1998)nadesico wrote:Thanks for the answer! I'll definitely buy it, such a pity there's only one book translated, he sounds like a talented and prolific author.gz2009 wrote:Yes; as "Naoko" by Keigo Higashino.nadesico wrote:Has the book been released in English? I'm very curious about it , and I'll definitely follow this drama, it sounds really intriguing.
I've just watched the 1st episode and I'm wondering: should we consider Minami dead? And I kind of didn't understand what was going on during the scene with all the victims relatives... I'll have to wait patiently for subs, is anyone is willing to take this project.
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This is a drama!japonaliya wrote:Maybe I'm blind...but how many eps. is this dorama?? Is it just 1 movie, or is it being aired for...???? I can't find any ep. and air-date listing.
If more than 1 ep.... is there a link to the air dates, and length of dorama?
Thanks !
Torrent of Himitsu ep01 (704x396 XviD) hereMisS Lonliah wrote: * Episodes: TBA
* Broadcast period: 2010-Oct-15 to 2010-Dec
* Air time: Friday 23:15
That's a potentially spoilery comment and, actually, in the movie (which was obviously quite different from the novel):XrayMind wrote:This drama is base on a novel, which was also made into a movie in 1999. The daughter with the memory of the mother was played by Hirosue Ryoko.
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Ok just finished eppy 1...
I laughed when he made that pasta dish and she said "Oh I never knew you could cook like this!" I wanted to say 'Duh... he's a Bambino Italian chef silly' lol. But I can see so many directions this story can go into. Like how the mom will see through the perspective of her daughter and what she's going through (and what she kept from her parents) but I don't think they will go that much in depth in that department.
this drama is making feel uncomfortable to watch
Still, i think their roles are quite challenging, which makes me all the more wanna continue till the end. And I can't help reading the spoilers in previous posts, the twist. And I didn't know there was a movie version! Ryoko Hirosue! I'm gonna hunt down that movie.
Still, i think their roles are quite challenging, which makes me all the more wanna continue till the end. And I can't help reading the spoilers in previous posts, the twist. And I didn't know there was a movie version! Ryoko Hirosue! I'm gonna hunt down that movie.
Well after watching eppy 2 now... gotta admit.. I think Mirai is doing an excellent job with her character. Because she doesn't seem like a highschool student to me anymore. Even when she cried, i think it was great. I think her out-grown hair is doing a lot of justice with her more mature appearance (that little bob-short haircut she had before just wasn't working for her at all lol) But I think she's doing a great job. And her role isn't easy... she has to act like someone twice her age with a hint of a mother (well, she did do that role in 14-year old mom but she wasn't really a mommy until the end of the series lol) so yeah.
It was so weird seeing Kuranosuke shirtless because well.... I don't find him that attractive but he did have a nice chest .__. *awkward*
It was so weird seeing Kuranosuke shirtless because well.... I don't find him that attractive but he did have a nice chest .__. *awkward*
Wowowow! The first episode was superinteresting! One of the few times that I've actually gotten hooked from the first episode. The topic is definitely risky and a very brave choice, but I do find it irresistably interesting.
I've always like Shida Mirai. I think she's absolutely amazing in this! The way she completely changed into someone with so much maturity... wow! It really feels like there is a 40-year-old woman trapped inside her.
I do feel really weird about the relationship. I guess since there is no relation to reality, it's really hard to imagine a situation like this. Would you really be able to treat someone as your wife/lover, when her appearance is of your daughter? I'm eagerly expecting where they are going to go with this one (especially as I read the spoilers regarding the book and movie). I think it's really cool that there are other characters thrown into the mix, like the teacher (there's obviously something there) and Monami's boyfriend. I'm loving it!
I've always like Shida Mirai. I think she's absolutely amazing in this! The way she completely changed into someone with so much maturity... wow! It really feels like there is a 40-year-old woman trapped inside her.
I do feel really weird about the relationship. I guess since there is no relation to reality, it's really hard to imagine a situation like this. Would you really be able to treat someone as your wife/lover, when her appearance is of your daughter? I'm eagerly expecting where they are going to go with this one (especially as I read the spoilers regarding the book and movie). I think it's really cool that there are other characters thrown into the mix, like the teacher (there's obviously something there) and Monami's boyfriend. I'm loving it!
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Up to Ep3 Shida Mirai has showed a superb performance so far as a 38 years old woman. She was alot better than Hirosue Ryoko in the movie. Hirosue's acting as an obasan was not believable at all, she was simply acting her age, a bit disturbing to watch the movie...
I absolutely love the drama more!!^o^
To my surprise, Sasaki Kuranosuke and Shida Mirai looks... actually... good together...
Can't wait till....
(BOOK/MOVIE SPOILER)
I absolutely love the drama more!!^o^
To my surprise, Sasaki Kuranosuke and Shida Mirai looks... actually... good together...
Can't wait till....
(BOOK/MOVIE SPOILER)
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I think this movie is great, its like "when you turn into somebody else and discovered what and how their way of thinking" .
Yeah, Shida did a great job with her act here, and so the others.
Monami boyfriend is good looking who is he? LOL
and the story is very interesting, the first time i read the synopsis(before watch the movie), i felt strange and curious, how's the story will play and end. but after watch the drama, it's good, and for keeping my curious, that's really a great job hehhehe
I want to know, what happen to yurie-chan & monami's BF, and how the hei-chan miss his wife's touch lol well, he's adult
And I dont wanna know what actually happen to the bus driver... its annoying for me to watch them jisssssshhh
okay, I already fall for him lol
Yeah, Shida did a great job with her act here, and so the others.
Monami boyfriend is good looking who is he? LOL
and the story is very interesting, the first time i read the synopsis(before watch the movie), i felt strange and curious, how's the story will play and end. but after watch the drama, it's good, and for keeping my curious, that's really a great job hehhehe
I want to know, what happen to yurie-chan & monami's BF, and how the hei-chan miss his wife's touch lol well, he's adult
And I dont wanna know what actually happen to the bus driver... its annoying for me to watch them jisssssshhh
yeah, i feel the same thing, he has a nice chestIt was so weird seeing Kuranosuke shirtless because well.... I don't find him that attractive but he did have a nice chest .__. *awkward*
okay, I already fall for him lol
Exactly! And to be put in more exact words, it can be better understood for people who are acquainted with psychoanalysis theories that have been the foundation of many novels and many movies, and many dramas worldwide, so the one scene that some viewers regard it as obscene, it goes beyond that, and let us quote many european and american movies including many scenes of that kind, but meant for something deeper and more "complicated" for some people, but deeper for the other.gz2009 wrote:it is more complicated than that. Yes, Shida Mirai plays the daughter; but, she also plays the mother. She is a mixture of Monami (daughter), and Naoko (mother).I will say no more, because I do not know how close the drama will be to the book; all I will say isYes the story is difficult. Yes, the relationships are strange. You cannot think of it simply as a father-daughter thing, it is more complicated than that.
I'have been translating on the drama, and I'm also working on others, but this appealed more to me, and I do believe I'd appeal to people worldwide, because it's more universal.
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@BBOvenGuyOffline Ah ok... Whew good ^_^
*edit* Don't wanna double post but is anyone else bothered by the fact no one seem to REALLY care bout Hei-chan losing his wife? "Ah you lost your wife.... well, you can hit that at ____" Like wow.... really? Within like a couple a months, it's time for him to just mess around like that's gonna really make him permanently happy? *rolls eyes*
*edit* Don't wanna double post but is anyone else bothered by the fact no one seem to REALLY care bout Hei-chan losing his wife? "Ah you lost your wife.... well, you can hit that at ____" Like wow.... really? Within like a couple a months, it's time for him to just mess around like that's gonna really make him permanently happy? *rolls eyes*
...is anyone watching this still? lol But omg!!!!! I can't stand the side characters!!!!!! I really can't.... seriously, no one cares about the fact his JUST lost his wife (in their eyes) less than like... 6 months and he has to already be expected to date someone!? And who does that teacher think she is? Like her student is really gonna be happy with her dating her father (still from everyone elses point of view) right after her mother died? Talk about some type of respect.... man... like Hei's friend really is giving men a bad name. I'm scared to get married, and then die early and all of my husband's friends are like "What a lost... I'm sorry. Well!!! I got this girl who's been trying to talk to you since FOREVER so yeah, you should go hit that!"
I believe the book (which I plan to get this Christmas) has the accident happen when Monami is only 11 or so, and stretches out over many years. There's no way the TV show could do that and still have Shida Mirai or any other single actress play the role, so a certain amount of time-compression is necessary. Besides, TV shows around the world always seem to think it's impossible for human beings to be single.
I'm eagerly waiting for the final episode to get posted. Shouldn't be too much longer now!
I'm eagerly waiting for the final episode to get posted. Shouldn't be too much longer now!
Ok because yeah.... I mean really? Less than six months (I think) that his wife, who he has been with since he was approx. 19...... passing away, means like nothing and people are like "Yeah go for that girl!" or "Oh I looooove you Otou-saaaamaaaa!" But understandable if years went by and people are asking him to move on. I actually can't stand either one of the leads lol. Like they are both guilty of what they're doing themselves, but still like to think the other is just as bad or worse. I really don't like Naoko because I think she's really being more complicated and putting Hei in a more difficult position than he is to her. It's too back and forth with her but in the end just gets mad at him like he's the bad guy or something.
Maybe you can try to put yourself in her shoes. It's not easy to be stuck in her daughter's body and live in a world where everyone around thinks she's dead. Just my two cents«minah» wrote:Ok because yeah.... I mean really? Less than six months (I think) that his wife, who he has been with since he was approx. 19...... passing away, means like nothing and people are like "Yeah go for that girl!" or "Oh I looooove you Otou-saaaamaaaa!" But understandable if years went by and people are asking him to move on. I actually can't stand either one of the leads lol. Like they are both guilty of what they're doing themselves, but still like to think the other is just as bad or worse. I really don't like Naoko because I think she's really being more complicated and putting Hei in a more difficult position than he is to her. It's too back and forth with her but in the end just gets mad at him like he's the bad guy or something.
I love this drama and I think what the leads does and feels makes sense. Though I could do without the yellings between those two in each episode
Yeah, I think this drama makes it really hard to relate to anyone. The plot is just that unrealistic (for the lack of a better word), that you can't really imagine what you would do in that situation. So I think it's been ok in that sense. I do agree that it's weird how everyone just pushes Hei to move on. Tho it might be a problem of a vague timeline. The latest episode was the first one where they actually talked about time passing, so I've been really confused on how much time has it been since the accident. I think it's been at least a year, at this point, but I can't be sure.
Anyway, I've been happy with the drama, considering the difficult topic. Especially having seen the latest episode, I have to give kudos to Shida Mirai. She has been really good throughout the drama, and even difficult scenes look really believable. I think she's really brave for a 17-year-old actress!
About the last episode
Anyway, I've been happy with the drama, considering the difficult topic. Especially having seen the latest episode, I have to give kudos to Shida Mirai. She has been really good throughout the drama, and even difficult scenes look really believable. I think she's really brave for a 17-year-old actress!
About the last episode
Well, it's not just that everyone thinks she's dead. She's also stuck in the only body that makes it impossible for her to go on being Heisuke's wife. (Well, unless she got stuck in a man's body, of course, but then we'd have an entirely different kind of story...) When she offered to let him sleep with her, I felt like that was largely a desperation move - and even then, I halfway suspect that she already knew he wouldn't go through with it.yanie wrote:Maybe you can try to put yourself in her shoes. It's not easy to be stuck in her daughter's body and live in a world where everyone around thinks she's dead.
To me, Episode 8 shows that the story is primarily about grieving and moving on. Naoko was stuck because Heisuke couldn't let her go. At the end of the episode, he finally calls her "Monami," and Monami is back the very next morning. Some people may have been annoyed by the doctor-friend and Hashimoto-sensei, but they're important to the story. It's been their push for him to move on that's shown us he was unable to move on.
There is a movie?I agree with you as well and maybe this is why after finishing ep8 last night i couldn't stop thinking about the series.BBOvenGuy wrote:That thought had occurred to me - it's how the 1999 movie turned out, after all. But I'm not sure Naoko is that good an actress. The closing scene of Episode 8 was pretty darn convincing.ahireasu wrote:
We'll find out soon enough...
Someone above said he/she can't relate to the story,but i don't find it that hard to do so it just needs to put your imagination running.
When the series starts For Heichan the outcome is the best there is in the beginning(instead of losing his wife or daughter he has a little of both).
But as the series progress we see that it is not that easy to live like that, to be with the person you love so much but in the same time to be so far apart.
PS. Sorry for the bad English but it is not my first Language obviously and never studied it to be honnest.
Correct me if I'm wrong, the book's ending:
While the movie's ending:
I prefer the book's ending. More believable. Hopefully the drama's ending follows the book.
And yes, there's the movie in 1999 starring Hirosue Ryoko, but I prefer Shida Mirai's acting as Naoko. Hirosue acted Naoko just like a girl pretending to be an adult woman. While Shida's acting really makes me believe there's a 38 yrs old woman trapped inside her body.
And yes, there's the movie in 1999 starring Hirosue Ryoko, but I prefer Shida Mirai's acting as Naoko. Hirosue acted Naoko just like a girl pretending to be an adult woman. While Shida's acting really makes me believe there's a 38 yrs old woman trapped inside her body.
I don't feel like I lack imagination, as I am a scifi-fan and can take pretty much any premises you give me. And what makes Himitsu different from usual "supernatural" based series is that usually supernatural elements are just a backdrop, while the topics at hand are pretty basic and relatable. In Himitsu the supernatural element makes the whole drama just too tragic and too emotional. I can't imagine what I would do in that situation, so I can't take sides or pass any judgement upon the characters. Thus I can't relate.ahireasu wrote:
Someone above said he/she can't relate to the story,but i don't find it that hard to do so it just needs to put your imagination running.
I do not see it as a bad thing, tho! I've really enjoyed the series and I think they've made it as believable as you just can. There was just one user who critized Naoko for making Heisuke the bad guy, when she was actually making things more difficult. I commented by saying that it's pretty hard to relate, and thus it's pretty hard to judge fairly. I think there are no bad guys in this drama: it was too hard for them to be together, and they might've wavered, but it was too hard to be apart, too.
I'm hoping for a happy ending for Monami (how about some romance with that cute Souma-kuuuuun~~~~), but I don't know what to expect from the last episode. Hopefully it will be a satisfactory ending for all characters!
There's also an American version called The Secret, made in 2007 and starring David Duchovny (formerly of The X-Files) as the dad. That movie takes a completely different approach, though, dealing primarily with the mom's discovery of what her daughter's life is like. It ends with the daughter coming back, but doesn't stretch far enough into the future to get to the daughter's wedding. She just goes back to school.yanie wrote:And yes, there's the movie in 1999 starring Hirosue Ryoko
yanie wrote: Maybe you can try to put yourself in her shoes. It's not easy to be stuck in her daughter's body and live in a world where everyone around thinks she's dead. Just my two cents
I love this drama and I think what the leads does and feels makes sense. Though I could do without the yellings between those two in each episode
I'm not saying it's not hard for her (because it's hard really for both of them) but I hate when shows know that they're both wrong or having it hard... but like to still make it like, only it's directed to one person that is in need to be sorry or wrong, and not the other. Like the show is trying to make you pity her more, than him while they both should be.
Not sure if this could have been referring to me in particular, but yeah I think they both have it hard. It just I don't like how shows have to always portray it as one over the other (which I see a lot in shows and books and other stuff that gets me annoyed) I tend to be different and want to see from the other side of the opposing character. Because it still made Heisuke to be the bad guy, which gets me mad because well, she's not all that loyal and innocent so I just hate one-sided things. But my feelings on this is right above this comment so no need for me to just repeat myself lolThere was just one user who critized Naoko for making Heisuke the bad guy, when she was actually making things more difficult. I commented by saying that it's pretty hard to relate, and thus it's pretty hard to judge fairly. I think there are no bad guys in this drama: it was too hard for them to be together, and they might've wavered, but it was too hard to be apart, too.
Someone said that the doctor and teacher were important and I kinda see where you're coming from, but still... I think if time seemed more relevant in this drama then I can agree. But just like someone said it seem like eppy 8 (and I think a previous one too? Can't remember) was the only indication of a lapse of time. So... I can see if a year went by and they said that he should move on... but not like less than that. (and still... he only knows of Naoko being really alive in his daughter body so it's not easy for him to take their suggestion and advances)
This post is longer than I though lol. I am happy that people have commented because I was interested in what people thought. And honestly, both of them are still equally pissing me off. But it's not exactly them per-se.... but it' show dramas like to still have that big lack of communication and love to have misunderstandings. What's wrong with people thoroughly saying what they want so the other won't be confused or misunderstood? (that's how I think a lot of these shows really have the "drama" just by a simple misunderstanding which can be frusterating)
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damn, eps 8 made me cry a lot...
this is really a great series, can't wait for the final eps
well, I think it's better if I don't give any comment about 'heisuke is the bad guy' or 'naoko makes everything even a lot harder' or stuff like that
I'm a big fan of sasaki, so I think my comment would be so subjective *LOL*
but yes, I think sometimes naoko made things even harder for both of them, and yes, sometimes hei-chan was really annoying
but even those things were still 'acceptable' in such situation
each of them suppressed their feelings, and felt like they had suffered much for the sake of another, then they felt like the other never cared about their feeling (or so)
I have to say, Shida Mirai got an excellent acting here..
sorry for my bad english, stil got emotional after watching eps 8
and oh, I'm pretty dissappointed that hei-chan didn't get along well with the teacher *LOL*
this is really a great series, can't wait for the final eps
well, I think it's better if I don't give any comment about 'heisuke is the bad guy' or 'naoko makes everything even a lot harder' or stuff like that
I'm a big fan of sasaki, so I think my comment would be so subjective *LOL*
but yes, I think sometimes naoko made things even harder for both of them, and yes, sometimes hei-chan was really annoying
but even those things were still 'acceptable' in such situation
each of them suppressed their feelings, and felt like they had suffered much for the sake of another, then they felt like the other never cared about their feeling (or so)
I have to say, Shida Mirai got an excellent acting here..
sorry for my bad english, stil got emotional after watching eps 8
and oh, I'm pretty dissappointed that hei-chan didn't get along well with the teacher *LOL*
David Duchovny?? I didn't know this!!! Will definitely watch this one. Thanks for the info!BBOvenGuy wrote:There's also an American version called The Secret, made in 2007 and starring David Duchovny (formerly of The X-Files) as the dad. That movie takes a completely different approach, though, dealing primarily with the mom's discovery of what her daughter's life is like. It ends with the daughter coming back, but doesn't stretch far enough into the future to get to the daughter's wedding. She just goes back to school.
Hollywood sure have adapted a load of Japanese stuff, huh.
Okay, I speak zero Japanese. After all this time watching anime and J-dramas, there are certain words and phrases I've learned to recognize, but that's about it. Fortunately, the subs are now out for the finale - they're not mikilove's, though, and those are the ones I'm waiting for, but I scanned through the ones that have been posted, and here's my take.
I felt like it really was Monami we saw at the end of Episode 8, and even before the subs came out for Episode 9, I still thought it was Monami looking at the raw. When she gets back to school, she runs up to Yurie excitedly, as if she's thrilled to see her friend again. There would be no need for Naoko to act that way, because Heisuke wasn't around and Yurie never knew that Monami had been gone. Therefore, it had to be Monami.
According to the subs...
I felt like it really was Monami we saw at the end of Episode 8, and even before the subs came out for Episode 9, I still thought it was Monami looking at the raw. When she gets back to school, she runs up to Yurie excitedly, as if she's thrilled to see her friend again. There would be no need for Naoko to act that way, because Heisuke wasn't around and Yurie never knew that Monami had been gone. Therefore, it had to be Monami.
According to the subs...
Confusing vague endings!!! Lol!! they have to be vague so it can make us wonder and debate lol. That reminds me when I watched Inception.... the ending was a bit vague and could go both ways. People always have to toy with our emotions in these endings ;_;yanie wrote:My ideal ending would be...BBOvenGuy wrote:According to the subs...
Btw, I watched David Duchovny's version, it's darker and alot more twisted. Don't like it, but anyway it has even more vague ending.
Well, I'm just waiting for the finale to download, and while the thread here is very short, I'd like to say that it has been fun to talk to everyone about the drama! I don't know what to expect from the last episode, especially when there are other versions to this and they have taken different ways to end this. Soon I'll see for myself!
Now, off to the last episode~~~~
It was directed at you, but I wasn't exactly blaming you or anything! Just stating my view. But, I can totally see where you're coming from«minah» wrote:Not sure if this could have been referring to me in particular, but yeah I think they both have it hard. It just I don't like how shows have to always portray it as one over the other (which I see a lot in shows and books and other stuff that gets me annoyed) I tend to be different and want to see from the other side of the opposing character. Because it still made Heisuke to be the bad guy, which gets me mad because well, she's not all that loyal and innocent so I just hate one-sided things. But my feelings on this is right above this comment so no need for me to just repeat myself lolThere was just one user who critized Naoko for making Heisuke the bad guy, when she was actually making things more difficult. I commented by saying that it's pretty hard to relate, and thus it's pretty hard to judge fairly. I think there are no bad guys in this drama: it was too hard for them to be together, and they might've wavered, but it was too hard to be apart, too.
Someone said that the doctor and teacher were important and I kinda see where you're coming from, but still... I think if time seemed more relevant in this drama then I can agree. But just like someone said it seem like eppy 8 (and I think a previous one too? Can't remember) was the only indication of a lapse of time. So... I can see if a year went by and they said that he should move on... but not like less than that. (and still... he only knows of Naoko being really alive in his daughter body so it's not easy for him to take their suggestion and advances)
This post is longer than I though lol. I am happy that people have commented because I was interested in what people thought. And honestly, both of them are still equally pissing me off. But it's not exactly them per-se.... but it' show dramas like to still have that big lack of communication and love to have misunderstandings. What's wrong with people thoroughly saying what they want so the other won't be confused or misunderstood? (that's how I think a lot of these shows really have the "drama" just by a simple misunderstanding which can be frusterating)
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Well, I didn't feel offended or anything. I just noticed :Hey, I said that!" lol. But yup... gonna wait for the sub to come before I watch it (I dunno... I don't like watching it raw first because some [well... a lot] shows I don't feel like watching twice so I rather just wait to understand it instead lol.)
Well, I didn't feel offended or anything. I just noticed :Hey, I said that!" lol. But yup... gonna wait for the sub to come before I watch it (I dunno... I don't like watching it raw first because some [well... a lot] shows I don't feel like watching twice so I rather just wait to understand it instead lol.)
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I liked your interpretation of the ending. Reading that really made a lot of sense and I felt like I got more out of the series by understanding your points.
Someone also made the point that only Hei-chan seems to be made the bad guy when Naoki is also doing things to hurt their relationship. I felt frustrated watching these parts of the series.
Overall though I really enjoyed this series and want to read the novel. I especially liked and related on Hei's character as a man that is in a relationship but at the same time not in a relationship and the challenges he faces. I just wish they balanced it out more with portraying Naoko in the same way and less on simple misunderstandings as a plot device.
On the flip side I haven't been a fan of Mirai over the past few years as shes matured from child actor to being a teen actor. Watching her through this has turned that all around and I really liked her portrayal of Naoko (as noted above, I just wish her character was written to be more on terms with Hei-chan). I'll be looking forward to more of her serious roles in the future.
Did anyone else feel there was a lack of physical comforting in the series? I guess I'm underestimating that Japanese don't often kiss, hug or touch. But in scenes in the privacy of their own home I had hoped that Sasaki would comfort Naoko by hugging her when they were both feeling down. I felt that a simple small hug could've made things all better.
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I liked your interpretation of the ending. Reading that really made a lot of sense and I felt like I got more out of the series by understanding your points.
Someone also made the point that only Hei-chan seems to be made the bad guy when Naoki is also doing things to hurt their relationship. I felt frustrated watching these parts of the series.
Overall though I really enjoyed this series and want to read the novel. I especially liked and related on Hei's character as a man that is in a relationship but at the same time not in a relationship and the challenges he faces. I just wish they balanced it out more with portraying Naoko in the same way and less on simple misunderstandings as a plot device.
Did anyone else feel there was a lack of physical comforting in the series? I guess I'm underestimating that Japanese don't often kiss, hug or touch. But in scenes in the privacy of their own home I had hoped that Sasaki would comfort Naoko by hugging her when they were both feeling down. I felt that a simple small hug could've made things all better.
Well, you have to remember that the wedding takes place 8 years after the rest of the story. Even if there had never been a bus accident, a 25-year-old Monami isn't going to be the same hyper teenager that the 16-year-old Monami was.
(Actually, the grown-up Monami reminds me of my sister-in-law, who is also (a) Asian (Chinese instead of Japanese, though), (b) a doctor and (c) short. But I digress...)
I still think the woman we see getting married at the end is mostly Monami. Maybe Naoko is still there, submerged and incorporated into Monami's personality in some way, but for the most part Monami is back. But the story is told to us in a way that leaves it open to debate, so I could be wrong.
And it's not like Heisuke is doomed. He's still not that old (heck, I'm 46 and I don't consider myself old). I was half-expecting to see Hashimoto-sensei there with him at the wedding.
(Actually, the grown-up Monami reminds me of my sister-in-law, who is also (a) Asian (Chinese instead of Japanese, though), (b) a doctor and (c) short. But I digress...)
I still think the woman we see getting married at the end is mostly Monami. Maybe Naoko is still there, submerged and incorporated into Monami's personality in some way, but for the most part Monami is back. But the story is told to us in a way that leaves it open to debate, so I could be wrong.
And it's not like Heisuke is doomed. He's still not that old (heck, I'm 46 and I don't consider myself old). I was half-expecting to see Hashimoto-sensei there with him at the wedding.
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you're right!!
since the first time they met, I've wanted them to be 'exposed' more haha~
it's true that Heisuke and Naoko really had a good chemistry
but since Naoko 'died', I really wished hei-chan would go out with hashimoto-sensei
that's why I really loved eps 6, cos there were lots of scenes of them together
since the first time they met, I've wanted them to be 'exposed' more haha~
it's true that Heisuke and Naoko really had a good chemistry
but since Naoko 'died', I really wished hei-chan would go out with hashimoto-sensei
that's why I really loved eps 6, cos there were lots of scenes of them together
Yeah it was a long post so I'm just putting it under spoiler tags lol. I agree with your comment. Though I still need to watch the final eppy, reading peoples comments are helping a lot. Yeah... I hate when shows' plots are in turmoil due to a simple misunderstanding that takes only a few seconds for one to explain. I think when someone doesn't, it makes the misunderstandings more believable since they're not even to defend themselves.ocha wrote:
I'm not really a fan of Sasaki.. I remember first seeing him in Bambino, but remember seeing how he looks now (referring to hair lol) in Zettai Kareshi. I think he did a good job in this series. I'm not a fan of the type of character he played... because he's a bit "uh duh... this girl is flirting with me....um......." he can be a bit uncertain at times and uncomfyness spreads across his face too easily. Mirai did a good job in this too, but I'm not really a fan of any of her characters in her shows.
About Heisuke and the teacher hooking up... well, I'm not into rebounds and i still think her hitting on him was a bit too soon in the series (kinda disrespectful.... like who do you think you are? You can't just simply replace his wife like that AND you're his daughter's teacher.) It just seemed a bit selfish on her part if she was even considering those factors. But 8 years later... sure I guess she can hook up with him but I don't like her personally because of her personality and what she did/tried to do. She's a bit air-heady to me (another typical kinda girl in these dramas....) "Oh can you lend me your shoulder? I don't think this is awkward for you at all!" But on the flip side, because I don't like her personally I don't see any problems with Heisuke getting with someone because of Naoko. Double standards suuucks
Thank you for your words , i know it is hard to understand me since my english are bad and its really hard for me to put my thoughts in place in another language, especially since i haven't study English.ocha wrote:ahireasu
I liked your interpretation of the ending. Reading that really made a lot of sense and I felt like I got more out of the series by understanding your points.
Anyway + @ nuts we think the same, i will add something more that i didn't mention earlier because it was obvious?
Okay, mikilove's subs are out for the finale, and now that I've watched it, I'm ready with my take on the ending.
Ready? Here it is:
We don't really know who it is that's getting married at the end. We're not supposed to know. And in a way, it really doesn't matter.
At the beginning of the episode, continuing on from Episode 8, I think that really was Monami. Up through the point where Monami asked Heisuke to take her to Yamashita Park, I think we really did see Monami and Naoko switching back and forth. It's just too elaborate for Naoko to pull off an acting job - the way she reacted when she saw Yurie again, the little skit Monami made up as a video for Naoko to see, the letters Naoko wrote to Monami, the way Naoko and Monami complained to Heisuke about each other, and so on. Plus when Fumina showed up, Monami didn't know who he was. Naoko would have reacted to him differently.
However... eight years later, it's a different story. Did Naoko really disappear? She could have told Monami where the ring was in one of her letters, or Monami could have simply found it. She carried that little bear charm around all those years - surely she would have noticed a ring inside it sooner or later. But we don't know for sure. We don't get to see the grown-up Monami's personality, so we don't know how much she's changed from when she was a teenager. There's simply not enough information for us to know what's really going on.
The last word in the entire series is Shida Mirai saying, "Himitsu" - "the secret." Which character is she playing when she says it? That's a secret. Make up your own answer.
But... in the end, it doesn't matter, because the whole point of the scene is Heisuke's decision to move on. It's eight years later, and he's still wearing his freakin' wedding ring. He still hasn't let go. And then, just as the closing credits roll, he finally takes the ring off and gives Monami away. Yeah, he had to be all manly and punch Fumina, just in case Fumina was stealing his wife, but that's the end of it. The story of Heisuke's grief is over. It's time for the next chapter of his life to begin. (And where's Hashimoto-sensei at a time like that...?)
Anyway, that's how I see it. I suspect I'm going to be writing blog entries and other ramblings about this show around the net for the next couple of weeks, because that's how big an impact it had on me. A fantastic story with fantastic acting.
Ready? Here it is:
We don't really know who it is that's getting married at the end. We're not supposed to know. And in a way, it really doesn't matter.
At the beginning of the episode, continuing on from Episode 8, I think that really was Monami. Up through the point where Monami asked Heisuke to take her to Yamashita Park, I think we really did see Monami and Naoko switching back and forth. It's just too elaborate for Naoko to pull off an acting job - the way she reacted when she saw Yurie again, the little skit Monami made up as a video for Naoko to see, the letters Naoko wrote to Monami, the way Naoko and Monami complained to Heisuke about each other, and so on. Plus when Fumina showed up, Monami didn't know who he was. Naoko would have reacted to him differently.
However... eight years later, it's a different story. Did Naoko really disappear? She could have told Monami where the ring was in one of her letters, or Monami could have simply found it. She carried that little bear charm around all those years - surely she would have noticed a ring inside it sooner or later. But we don't know for sure. We don't get to see the grown-up Monami's personality, so we don't know how much she's changed from when she was a teenager. There's simply not enough information for us to know what's really going on.
The last word in the entire series is Shida Mirai saying, "Himitsu" - "the secret." Which character is she playing when she says it? That's a secret. Make up your own answer.
But... in the end, it doesn't matter, because the whole point of the scene is Heisuke's decision to move on. It's eight years later, and he's still wearing his freakin' wedding ring. He still hasn't let go. And then, just as the closing credits roll, he finally takes the ring off and gives Monami away. Yeah, he had to be all manly and punch Fumina, just in case Fumina was stealing his wife, but that's the end of it. The story of Heisuke's grief is over. It's time for the next chapter of his life to begin. (And where's Hashimoto-sensei at a time like that...?)
Anyway, that's how I see it. I suspect I'm going to be writing blog entries and other ramblings about this show around the net for the next couple of weeks, because that's how big an impact it had on me. A fantastic story with fantastic acting.
These are relevant bits from the ending of the book:BBOvenGuy wrote:Okay, mikilove's subs are out for the finale, and now that I've watched it, I'm ready with my take on the ending.
Ready? Here it is:
We don't really know who it is that's getting married at the end. We're not supposed to know. And in a way, it really doesn't matter.
At the beginning of the episode, continuing on from Episode 8, I think that really was Monami. Up through the point where Monami asked Heisuke to take her to Yamashita Park, I think we really did see Monami and Naoko switching back and forth. It's just too elaborate for Naoko to pull off an acting job - the way she reacted when she saw Yurie again, the little skit Monami made up as a video for Naoko to see, the letters Naoko wrote to Monami, the way Naoko and Monami complained to Heisuke about each other, and so on. Plus when Fumina showed up, Monami didn't know who he was. Naoko would have reacted to him differently.
However... eight years later, it's a different story. Did Naoko really disappear? She could have told Monami where the ring was in one of her letters, or Monami could have simply found it. She carried that little bear charm around all those years - surely she would have noticed a ring inside it sooner or later. But we don't know for sure. We don't get to see the grown-up Monami's personality, so we don't know how much she's changed from when she was a teenager. There's simply not enough information for us to know what's really going on.
The last word in the entire series is Shida Mirai saying, "Himitsu" - "the secret." Which character is she playing when she says it? That's a secret. Make up your own answer.
But... in the end, it doesn't matter, because the whole point of the scene is Heisuke's decision to move on. It's eight years later, and he's still wearing his freakin' wedding ring. He still hasn't let go. And then, just as the closing credits roll, he finally takes the ring off and gives Monami away. Yeah, he had to be all manly and punch Fumina, just in case Fumina was stealing his wife, but that's the end of it. The story of Heisuke's grief is over. It's time for the next chapter of his life to begin. (And where's Hashimoto-sensei at a time like that...?)
Anyway, that's how I see it. I suspect I'm going to be writing blog entries and other ramblings about this show around the net for the next couple of weeks, because that's how big an impact it had on me. A fantastic story with fantastic acting.
Just finished the last episode. First, just wanna say that it's a well done drama that's different from the movies in ways. I would say the drama is more depressing and Shida Mira's acting is really up there! For me, I wished it was a more happy happy drama like the usual Shida Mirai dramas, but at least this was still a good drama, though depressing. I did lose respect for Shida Mira's role. The things that she done was just so deep and unforgivable. Then again, the father had every opportunity, but he chose the path that was unrealistic.
I just had to reply. Personally, I felt that the ending was very well done, but I think how you take it is what you perceived is going on. This is my take on it..based on what I saw, an obviously from the movie.SSpiegel wrote:Well, it's been a few days since I watched the finale. I dunno, I have to say I didn't really like it.
I liked the drama a lot, but I just didn't feel the ending. I didn't really care much what the ending was, but at least they could've executed it better.
I guess what I didn't like was that they tried to go a bit both ways. They tried to leave us guessing, but then they also gave us an obvious ending. And you can't have the cake and eat it too. Others here think we can't know who it was, others think it's really obvious which one it is. So they did leave a little room for interpretation, even though the ending we (at least the two of us) saw would've been perfectly good on its own. So, I guess my wish is that they would've either made it more obvious or more vague. That's why I don't feel it. Dunno if that even makes sense.goygakgoy wrote:I just had to reply. Personally, I felt that the ending was very well done, but I think how you take it is what you perceived is going on. This is my take on it..based on what I saw, an obviously from the movie.SSpiegel wrote:Well, it's been a few days since I watched the finale. I dunno, I have to say I didn't really like it.
I liked the drama a lot, but I just didn't feel the ending. I didn't really care much what the ending was, but at least they could've executed it better.
Aha... I don't have the book yet, so thanks for that.gz2009 wrote:These are relevant bits from the ending of the book:
Yes, Naoko and Heisuke could have done a better job of communicating through this whole experience, but then, married couples aren't always the best at communicating things. Some things just can't be communicated because one or both of the people involved don't want to deal with it.
(In the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that I describe my own marital status as "happily divorced." )
In my opinion, Heisuke brought his fate entirely upon himself. Naoko knew as early as the third or fourth episode that she couldn't live as Naoko any more. She couldn't be Heisuke's wife inside the body of their daughter. She tried to show him that. She tried to tell him that. But he didn't listen. By the time of the big blowup, with Soma-kun leaving and Naoko finding out her room had been bugged and Heisuke still thinking he could just whisk her off to Yokohama for the day and everything would be fine, Naoko was pretty much backed into a corner. Disappearing was the only option she had left. And the fact that Heisuke was still wearing his wedding ring eight years later only demonstrates that she was right.
Ha ha... it's okay to be young and naive. I'm older and more jaded.«minah» wrote:maybe I'm too young and naive as older people would put it but whatever.
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