actually, I think this is the reason exactly on why i don't like her acting. she does always have this acting-sexy like element in most of her characters and she has been always casted in this way. not sure intentionally or unintentionally though. but it gets annoying/boring when it gets repetitive. like her Marie character. why does she still has to be over the top sexy in her line of work? i don't think Guilty is that type of dramas that needs such characters. judging from Mashima's character now, you won't think that aspect helped Marie to get together with Mashima.«minah» wrote:Michiko (Mari's actress) is always bringing some kinda sex appeal to her characters (Bloody Monday, Hataraki Man... wow, realized her and Miho were both in this lol, Maou, even Homeroom by the Beachside... and kinda even in Nodame... well, these are all pretty much the roles I've seen her in) are somehow sexy-like and I dunno... it bothers me. Maybe that's why? I actually like how a woman her age can rock the short hair cut and look very desirable... but it's like that's always portrayed in all of her roles and either it's a coincidence or she just always do that. But it makes her characters very similar... I dunno it's hard to explain.
[Discussion] Guilty Akuma to Keiyakushita Onna
You're awesome hahaha I wish it was more grittier though. Even tho Miho Kanno's character is really dark and vengeful, I wish that she'd do something more to bring out that character in terms of surprise. Up until now, I don't think she's done anything that's too surprising. A lil bit predictable for my tastes but yeah this drama's great. As for Mari, well she always has those stick up my ass characters. Um hello Liar Game? Lol I don't really like her delivery of lines BUT I think that's what the director cast her for. That kind of dry delivery actress lol Anyhoo, hope that Miho's character and her get into some random beatdown for no reason or even Miho blackmailing her just for fun lol«minah» wrote:Michiko (Mari's actress) is always bringing some kinda sex appeal to her characters (Bloody Monday, Hataraki Man... wow, realized her and Miho were both in this lol, Maou, even Homeroom by the Beachside... and kinda even in Nodame... well, these are all pretty much the roles I've seen her in) are somehow sexy-like and I dunno... it bothers me. Maybe that's why? I actually like how a woman her age can rock the short hair cut and look very desirable... but it's like that's always portrayed in all of her roles and either it's a coincidence or she just always do that. But it makes her characters very similar... I dunno it's hard to explain.
Y'know what weird? I think Miho looks ten years younger in this show than her previous role in Magereranai Onna where she looked like she was 40-ish. Not really important, but I kept thinking about that every time I watch Guilty. But I like how she can be very versatile in that sense.
Yay! OhSnap is part of the "I can't stand Mari" club lol! When I see Tamaki here, I still can't help to see him as a washed-up Chiaki... like, that's how Chiaki would look at 40 or 50. But it's weird, because last week I just finished re-watching Love Shuffle and I saw him as Tamaki not as Chiaki. And him in LS and Guilty... it's like two very different characters. I wouldn't even think that's the same person playing those characters. (I love actors like that. Versatility is key!! Take note of that Michiko >_> lol. I bet there's a drama of hers I need to watch that proves me wrong)
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I think Meiko's surprise for me is how she still has this timid, shy part of her even though she's behind all of this revenge. I think that's the only surprise I get from her, because I think it's very contradicting from her actions. But yeah.. I guess she could do something a bit more unpredictable. It would be cool if Meiko just... slapped Mari lol Or at least confront to her that her and Mashima are done and need to move on!
I think Meiko's surprise for me is how she still has this timid, shy part of her even though she's behind all of this revenge. I think that's the only surprise I get from her, because I think it's very contradicting from her actions. But yeah.. I guess she could do something a bit more unpredictable. It would be cool if Meiko just... slapped Mari lol Or at least confront to her that her and Mashima are done and need to move on!
The real murderer is....the cake shop owner lol!
@Minah Sometimes I wish I could edit or re-write some of these scenes lol Like alternate takes of a scene. I heard from my best friend that in some HK and Taiwanese dramas, they have people vote for certain endings and they film them all to get ratings. But I hope that there are still some twists and unexpected things to come
@Minah Sometimes I wish I could edit or re-write some of these scenes lol Like alternate takes of a scene. I heard from my best friend that in some HK and Taiwanese dramas, they have people vote for certain endings and they film them all to get ratings. But I hope that there are still some twists and unexpected things to come
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That's pretty cool they can do that. But JPN dramas are like... at the max 12 episodes long while HK and TW dramas are more than that so I can see it more possible for them to have alternative endings decided by votes.
But yeah... I believe the real murderer will be the biggest twist of all.
That's pretty cool they can do that. But JPN dramas are like... at the max 12 episodes long while HK and TW dramas are more than that so I can see it more possible for them to have alternative endings decided by votes.
But yeah... I believe the real murderer will be the biggest twist of all.
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I haven't watched episode 7 yet so I haven't read the latest posts here (don't like spoiling the fun)
But i was REALLY amused reading all of your opinions about Mari's character. I definitely want to Join the "I can't stand Mari" club she's so pissing me off, what's with the evil look in the car and the hateful-tone saying "NOGAMI MEIKO" ......WHAT??!! will she go and hire someone to kill her, or hide evidence that may prove her innocence,,,,,just what's wrong with this lady, that's exactly what they call a BAD LOSER.
regarding the sexy-like element in most of this actress's roles, I searched her on wikipedia and they say that she's a fashion model in the first place, my impression of her is so close to yours, since i remember seeing her nude on a magazine cover when i was in japan, that's why it never surprises me that she always acts this way casting that sexy aura in most of her characters. to sum it up, I hate both the actress and the character (In case there are any fans of her here, no offence please )
Btw on wikipedia they say that she wasn't targeting to enter the show-biz in the first place, and that because she's been through an unrequited love experience before her debut as a model, she only wanted to get back on her ex and so she aimed to become famous. which proves (they add) her ”sore loser" personality .....proves me right huh?
Anyway, i'm looking forward to episode 7's release. see what will happen with the psycho guy and mari (wished he'd kill her) and will they be able to stop Ukita or not.
But i was REALLY amused reading all of your opinions about Mari's character. I definitely want to Join the "I can't stand Mari" club she's so pissing me off, what's with the evil look in the car and the hateful-tone saying "NOGAMI MEIKO" ......WHAT??!! will she go and hire someone to kill her, or hide evidence that may prove her innocence,,,,,just what's wrong with this lady, that's exactly what they call a BAD LOSER.
regarding the sexy-like element in most of this actress's roles, I searched her on wikipedia and they say that she's a fashion model in the first place, my impression of her is so close to yours, since i remember seeing her nude on a magazine cover when i was in japan, that's why it never surprises me that she always acts this way casting that sexy aura in most of her characters. to sum it up, I hate both the actress and the character (In case there are any fans of her here, no offence please )
Btw on wikipedia they say that she wasn't targeting to enter the show-biz in the first place, and that because she's been through an unrequited love experience before her debut as a model, she only wanted to get back on her ex and so she aimed to become famous. which proves (they add) her ”sore loser" personality .....proves me right huh?
Anyway, i'm looking forward to episode 7's release. see what will happen with the psycho guy and mari (wished he'd kill her) and will they be able to stop Ukita or not.
@snow of dawn. If what you said is true, then Mari is just like her, angry over a breakup and pissed off at the new gf aka Meiko. But Mari is much stupider to bother herself with Meiko and ignore her police duties.
Wiki may not be true (that source lacks citation too)...but that made me Lol.
By the way, I think the alien mask looks rather cute, esp when they zoom in on it. With the big shiny black eye, excluding the bony face.
Wiki may not be true (that source lacks citation too)...but that made me Lol.
By the way, I think the alien mask looks rather cute, esp when they zoom in on it. With the big shiny black eye, excluding the bony face.
Ok so that explains a lot about Michiko. She is very pretty (and I think model-esque) but I just hate it that it's brought to every character (well that I've seen) her play. There are tons of girls in J-drama who started off as models and turned actress (I've seen some shows with Emi Suzuki and she didn't look striking beautiful in like, Water Boys as she did in Galcir... Well, I think that just made her to be an airhead in that drama just like how Kashii Yu was before her in my opinion anyway) But yeah, if that wiki article is true... then she kinda reflects that's in her character (I guess that's why she does a good job at it too >_> lol) I just want to see her in a role that will just prove me wrong... because I'm gonna get kinda "Oh... she's in this series? Guess she's like someone's mistress or ex or something..." I can't explain, but it's not making her very versatile in her acting (since she is now mainly an actress) I know she was just in a drama that starred her, so I wonder if her character is different.
But whooo a new member! Let's hope her jealousy wears off at the end of the series... or just not so important lol. I'm also excited for the next episode. Oh! I love how everyone from the cast introduces the series. It's pretty cool. (Actually I love how Michiko says it the best >__> It's the sex appeal and she sounds cool when she says "Guilty" lol)
But whooo a new member! Let's hope her jealousy wears off at the end of the series... or just not so important lol. I'm also excited for the next episode. Oh! I love how everyone from the cast introduces the series. It's pretty cool. (Actually I love how Michiko says it the best >__> It's the sex appeal and she sounds cool when she says "Guilty" lol)
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@shioki: yeah I also noticed that that part in Wikipedia lacked a source, but it served my point right so i referred to it, you can say i have a doujima-ish part in my character
I mainly hate the narration at the opening of every episode, don't know but it feels a bit old fashioned. But i liked the two kanno miho narrations (ep 1 and 6) and the difference in the tone of her voice in each. kind of reflecting the inner conflict within.
As for Japanese sites predicting who the real criminal is,, i belive that that's just for fun, can't imagine it to be the bartender, the pet salon owner or the mother . i guess it must be someone bigger, maybe someone who would benefit from keeping meiko locked up in jail for 15 years, maybe because she can become witness to some crime he had done. Most highly it would be Ukita himself, or his boss as someone mentioned.
I mainly hate the narration at the opening of every episode, don't know but it feels a bit old fashioned. But i liked the two kanno miho narrations (ep 1 and 6) and the difference in the tone of her voice in each. kind of reflecting the inner conflict within.
I re listened to it, and you know what...it doesn't even sound like Doujima, sounds too feminine, wonder how he managed to change his voice that much.shioki wrote:I prefer Dojima's guilty. Sounds more akuma-ish...like a snake or something with the hissing at the end.
As for Japanese sites predicting who the real criminal is,, i belive that that's just for fun, can't imagine it to be the bartender, the pet salon owner or the mother . i guess it must be someone bigger, maybe someone who would benefit from keeping meiko locked up in jail for 15 years, maybe because she can become witness to some crime he had done. Most highly it would be Ukita himself, or his boss as someone mentioned.
Well...basically anyone with a cameo related to the main character is a likely suspect.
Can I add the sister into the list of suspects too? She might even be alive (Meiko didn't visit her grave, did she?) She committed suicide, but she didn't die (maybe coma or something) and that's how Meiko obtained her necklace. But, Producer-san, please don't go down this road. Coz this thought of mine was immediately followed by another..."How lame".
Can I add the sister into the list of suspects too? She might even be alive (Meiko didn't visit her grave, did she?) She committed suicide, but she didn't die (maybe coma or something) and that's how Meiko obtained her necklace. But, Producer-san, please don't go down this road. Coz this thought of mine was immediately followed by another..."How lame".
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@shioki: ur theory makes a point, nothing yet proves her sis is dead. but it's still hard 2 imagine what would be her motives to kill both her husband and own child, besides planning it so that meiko gets blamed 4 it. you are certainly right, that would be quite lame
i'm looking for the next episode, seems like there will be some emotional scenes ;)
i'm looking for the next episode, seems like there will be some emotional scenes ;)
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Guilty OST is out. You can try them out here http://www.neowing.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=AICL-2227. Just click the link beside the track title. The opening song is that track 28. And track 26 is
Watching 9 now and I was like "NOOOOO!!! NOT Kyoooootaroooo!" Well... I know that's not his name, but that's what I call him since he was Kyotaro from Anna-san no Omame or whatever it's called lol. But yeah... Not Kyotaro as part of this cover-up!! I always liked him more than his brother (his brother always playing roles that I can't stand!!! Gr!) but yeah.... now he's gonna play a role of a bad guy.
30 minutes later
Omg!!!!!!!!!! My heart tinged...
30 minutes later
Omg!!!!!!!!!! My heart tinged...
This ep restored my faith in this messy series.
I was glad to see that the actor playing Doujima could actually act like a normal person. I really hated the overacting he did before! Not as much as I hated the Mizoguchi character though. But he was killed off last ep, so no complaints there
I'm pleasantly surprised that this ep was almost without plotholes or overacting. Tamaki Hiroshi san should get a price as most tormented person in J-Dorama though
I'm looking forward to the resolution. A happy end with Nogami Meiko and Mashima would be a pleasant surprise. I'm rooting for them
Thanks for the Kyooootaro!!! by the way. Anna-san no omame was one very funny series, made no sense at all
I was glad to see that the actor playing Doujima could actually act like a normal person. I really hated the overacting he did before! Not as much as I hated the Mizoguchi character though. But he was killed off last ep, so no complaints there
I'm pleasantly surprised that this ep was almost without plotholes or overacting. Tamaki Hiroshi san should get a price as most tormented person in J-Dorama though
I'm looking forward to the resolution. A happy end with Nogami Meiko and Mashima would be a pleasant surprise. I'm rooting for them
Thanks for the Kyooootaro!!! by the way. Anna-san no omame was one very funny series, made no sense at all
The only thing I could say about episode 9...
@above poster...
Well, they have to have illogical stuff because it wouldn't be suspenseful as a show lol. But I know how you feel.. it's like watching a horror movie and wonder why the character do half the stupid things they do lol. But it does suck when they don't have characters do the logical thing
Well, they have to have illogical stuff because it wouldn't be suspenseful as a show lol. But I know how you feel.. it's like watching a horror movie and wonder why the character do half the stupid things they do lol. But it does suck when they don't have characters do the logical thing
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^Well see, I think lots of dramas do that so I don't get my expectations too high. I have to keep in mind, if certain things don't happen in a drama/movie then the movie/show would end shorter and it won't build the suspense... It's like all people and situations are stupid when shown on the screen honestly. Relationships and misunderstandings lol. But I still like the show because of the acting and how the story went during the last few episodes. Bloody Monday did some stuff that could have been avoidable (like why leave the little sister alone ALL the time? She's worse than Mokuba from YuGiOH. Why even let the two siblings roam around freely?) But yeah... lol and they're not even cops. They're suppose to be better than the police but obviously not if some kid was able to hack in their system... well, 2 of them
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^Yeah I see your point dear ^^. Bloody Monday 2 was a HUGE fail, so bad I was so in love with season 1. Anyway, it's true our expectations must not be that high.. but while you're enjoying a drama & you see that there are many good success points in it as you mentioned the cast & the potential plot.. you usually start expecting normal stupid holes here & there, but when they start adding abnormal happenings.. you just feel that they are not respecting us as viewers.. just add fantasy or horror in the Genre & I would be totally fine.. but for a Mystery drama I really hoped for a more proper episodes in the second half! ^^ that's only because I loved the drama & I do care about it!
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Well, I would say that before you can have plotholes, you need to have a plot... I preferred Tomorrow and especially this one, over the other three series that you mentioned. Just my 2 yen...Although Magerenai Onna, Kiina and Hataraki man were some pretty decent ones, this one and for example Tomorrow are full of plotholes.
Is it just me or the last scene's kiss awkward?
Nope! No plot, no plotholes...Quote:
Although Magerenai Onna, Kiina and Hataraki man were some pretty decent ones, this one and for example Tomorrow are full of plotholes.
Well, I would say that before you can have plotholes, you need to have a plot... I preferred Tomorrow and especially this one, over the other three series that you mentioned. Just my 2 yen...
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I second that. I thought that they«minah» wrote:LOL!!!!!! That cracked me up! Thank you for more spoilers noshadooow!6502inside wrote:
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I really like Kanno Miho in Tomorrow (although I still think that we were "robbed" in the romance department, she had great chemistry with Takenouchi Yutaka).
I watched Kiina too, but the cases were a bit easy to solve, not like Shinzanmono.
The production budget was kinda low but the script and writing were excellent, imo. I think the last kiss scene was a frozen moment in time. The only thing that I wasn't sure about was why Mashima slumped over a bit while holding Meiko and kissing her simultaneously.noshadow31 wrote:The last episode is
I felt it had a moral: Nothing good comes from revenge... and the worth of a person, how important is it? And what value it holds? This series had so many characters that had guilt in them, or a reason they should be guilty (and with many characters are many perspectives of that.) But they can only be guilty if they themselves think they are. I think the series showed many themes and such, but I think it's up to us to interpret the theme and moral.
The songs used for it are perfect too. JUJU's song was perfect for this ending. Comparing this to Maou (as it deals with a guy and revenge and selling his soul to the devil and who has a gentle side and evil side) I think this explored the theme in a different way than Maou and can stand on its own without it being a Maou-copy cat. So I'm happy for that ^_^
Yeah...... I do understand your point now. I thought this drama was really good; I have watched ALOT of dramas over the years, but this one really stood out for me. Thing is, as someone mentioned before, everything that I expected to happen, HAPPENED in the last episode. Up until now, the writers kept the audience, as well as the actors, guessing. I remember in one interview, Tamaki Hiroshi mentioned that he really had no idea how it was going to end; the show aired while they were still filming, say, the 3rd episode. I am not saying it was a bad ending but I just wished that they would have made a more unexpected scenario. My friend was saying that they should have stopped at the
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Totally Agree....toooooo many unbelievably stupid parts in the last few episodes, that I got the feeling they wrote the script and plot of the final episodes in a haste, or they thought viewers wouldn't mind one or two silly plot holes .MisS Lonliah wrote:you usually start expecting normal stupid holes here & there, but when they start adding abnormal happenings.. you just feel that they are not respecting us as viewers.. just add fantasy or horror in the Genre & I would be totally fine.. but for a Mystery drama I really hoped for a more proper episodes in the second half! ^^ that's only because I loved the drama & I do care about it!
EXACTLY .....ollie125 wrote:That is because
Agree here as well, to me it only felt like the script writer wanted to prove that you only get misery out of taking revenge, and for Meiko to get such a big shock in someone she trusted so much....is indeed pure misery
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Totally agree. This seems to happen with dramas, I think - the premise sounds really good, and really interesting, with great casting, and the ending ends up being (sort of) a disappointment for some.snow_of_dawn wrote:
Totally Agree....toooooo many unbelievably stupid parts in the last few episodes, that I got the feeling they wrote the script and plot of the final episodes in a haste, or they thought viewers wouldn't mind one or two silly plot holes .
EXACTLY .....ollie125 wrote:That is because
But the worst thing, I think...
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well for me the series was good but they ruined every thing in the end it was too much dramatic coz she was also a victim ya the plot got holes but we have to admit we get hooked by the series i didn't expect them to die as i think too both of them died i got that feeling from her final words
and ya most of revenge drama the main actors dies it's like IF U SEEK A REVENGE DIG 2 GRAVES ONE FOR UR ENEMY AND THE OTHER FOR YOU
i hated tamaki hair style very messy and if u look at the plot u will find that her pet salon owner that she was the one who started every thing it is too much lame
oh by the way i watched korean series called bad guy and also it ended like that :s
and ya most of revenge drama the main actors dies it's like IF U SEEK A REVENGE DIG 2 GRAVES ONE FOR UR ENEMY AND THE OTHER FOR YOU
i hated tamaki hair style very messy and if u look at the plot u will find that her pet salon owner that she was the one who started every thing it is too much lame
oh by the way i watched korean series called bad guy and also it ended like that :s
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