I don't know where you get the idea Sena is unloved. Jang knows her older daughter's whereabouts, but she doesn't know where the younger one is. So she's trying to find the younger one. The older one she can always take with her. She even left all her company shares under Sena's name. Since she can't find her youngest daughter, Jang is going to take the older one to HK with her.Ethlenn wrote: But in the middle of this, I kinda feel sad for Sena. one reason - she is the rejected one. Although she is also the bilogical daughter of President Jang, she is less welcome than her second daughter. Of course, for now, she doesn't know that, but it's us, viewers who know that.
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President Jang is looking for her second daughter. But she has her first one within her reach and what? Nothing, she doesn't say "oh, it's so good I found another daughter", no, she's still looking for the other one. She's taking Sena to Hong Kong? Well, let's wait till Park Ha's identity will be revealed, let's see how President Jang, who is certain about Sena, react. I don't expect happy family barbecue.
She has second one within her reach, so she can easily get her back. Also, it's her close friend who's been taking care of her daughter, so I think Jang feels reluctant to take Sena away because her friend has been raising her. She's basically dumped the child on her friend to raise and after the child has grown, she's suddenly going to take her back without consulting her friend first? That would be pretty rude.Ethlenn wrote:President Jang is looking for her second daughter. But she has her first one within her reach and what? Nothing, she doesn't say "oh, it's so good I found another daughter", no, she's still looking for the other one. She's taking Sena to Hong Kong? Well, let's wait till Park Ha's identity will be revealed, let's see how President Jang, who is certain about Sena, react. I don't expect happy family barbecue.
Jang is already upset that Sena is trying to pretend to be someone she's not. She's also lying about not knowing who is Jang's second daughter. Sena is a liar now in front of Jang. But Jang is still thinking of taking Sena with her. Wait til Jang finds out what Sena's done with Pak Ha when she was young and what's happening with her right now. At 6 yrs old, she dumped Pak Ha in a truck to no mans's land. Now at her influence, Tae Mu is locking up Pak Ha in a truck to freeze to death or shipped to no mans land. I'm sure Jang will love Sena after she finds out. I mean, Sena is her real daughter. Hell with Pak Ha. *sarcasm*
I really don't understand why all that sarcasm. I can't say what I feel about characters? I do hate Sena's character, yet I can sense she's somehow unloved and that's all.
Sorry if it's against classic trend about this drama characters.
Sena's crimes, as well as Taemu's should not be forgiven, hell, Taemu tried to kill a person, but I believe no one is 100% good or evil. Sena has lots of insecurities, and she's covering her own complexes with possessivenes and need to destroy other people's happiness. She's envious of anything she doesn't have and tries to destroy it, if she can't have it. A classic tale. But every action has a reason, and I'm just pondering over Sena's reasons to behave the way she does.
Sorry if it's against classic trend about this drama characters.
Sena's crimes, as well as Taemu's should not be forgiven, hell, Taemu tried to kill a person, but I believe no one is 100% good or evil. Sena has lots of insecurities, and she's covering her own complexes with possessivenes and need to destroy other people's happiness. She's envious of anything she doesn't have and tries to destroy it, if she can't have it. A classic tale. But every action has a reason, and I'm just pondering over Sena's reasons to behave the way she does.
Sena is just plain unhappy for being poor and very selfish. She doesn't want to share anything. Sena isn't looking for love. She's looking for wealth and prestige. I think her adoptive mother treats her like her own daughter and loves her a lot. But Sena was unhappy because she suddenly has a sibling she has to take care of because her mother got married. You say Sena is unloved, but her adoptive mother really loves her as her own. Sena is unhappy because her adoptive mother is poor and uneducated. She finds being poor disgusting. She wants to present the image she's rich and well educated. Hence she lied about her family background and possibly her resume. She worked so hard to be at the top but she suddenly finds out Pak Ha who is supposedly poor, is now the daughter of a rich woman. She worked so hard but Pak Ha goes through life like a ditz and hits upon such good fortune. Even the CEO's son likes Pak Ha. She feels it's not fair. She will steal it away. I think if Pak Ha remained at the bottom of the slum and weren't a threat, Sena wouldn't harm her.
Even in Joseon, she was aiming high. She wanted to be the crowned princess. I think even if her sister wasn't chosen and she was competing with other girls. She would find the girl with the most potential and kick her down so she would be princess and live in the palace.
The sarcasm was about her real mom treating her own daughter Sena badly and only focusing on finding the younger one. It's not true. Jang treats both of them equally. She abandoned both daughters and went back to look for them now. She's found the older one already but not the younger one. But although Sena has disappointed her, she still wants her back. You claim if she finds Pak Ha, Sena will be pushed aside. That's not so. Both of them are her daughters, but Sena will have to share. We all know Sena won't share anything. So Sena will be the one to push herself into a dead end.
There are people like Sena who exist, but very few. That's why there's so much crime in the world. If everyone was good, there wouldn't be crimes. I've even heard of a story of a classmate who killed another one because of jealousy over being top of the class.
Even in Joseon, she was aiming high. She wanted to be the crowned princess. I think even if her sister wasn't chosen and she was competing with other girls. She would find the girl with the most potential and kick her down so she would be princess and live in the palace.
The sarcasm was about her real mom treating her own daughter Sena badly and only focusing on finding the younger one. It's not true. Jang treats both of them equally. She abandoned both daughters and went back to look for them now. She's found the older one already but not the younger one. But although Sena has disappointed her, she still wants her back. You claim if she finds Pak Ha, Sena will be pushed aside. That's not so. Both of them are her daughters, but Sena will have to share. We all know Sena won't share anything. So Sena will be the one to push herself into a dead end.
There are people like Sena who exist, but very few. That's why there's so much crime in the world. If everyone was good, there wouldn't be crimes. I've even heard of a story of a classmate who killed another one because of jealousy over being top of the class.
Finished watching this drama yesterday and can I just say that I've long lost count of all the cuteness I saw. Yoochun....ah!~~~~Yoochun and my three cutie dweebs sidekicks. Lovely acting he showed for this drama even after a rough start for him. I remember reading about the script being overly used showing how much he was into this drama to make it work, hard worker. Love that in a man. He's character on the other hand I don't know what in the hell he was thinking of in the beginning but, to me, he started to shape up around the middle-ending of the drama.
The sisters on the other hand.....I really liked Se Na's character until she started getting weak towards Taemu. I just remember saying that if I would had the role of the "bad girl" I would have done it the way she did. I clap my hands to Pak Ha because even with all the **** she went through she still stayed strong and survived. I loved it how she started to fight back to Se Na especially with the water glasses scene. Taemu had his ups and downs with me sort of a love/hate relationship.
Over all, I enjoyed the drama. 100% Cheesy love scenes, but isn't it always like that. I'll take it all but one, the fire. Yes like everyone else I could have done well without that one. That was a little too much for me. And the last episode fight scenes. It couldn't be anymore fake
For those who saw the ending already:
The sisters on the other hand.....I really liked Se Na's character until she started getting weak towards Taemu. I just remember saying that if I would had the role of the "bad girl" I would have done it the way she did. I clap my hands to Pak Ha because even with all the **** she went through she still stayed strong and survived. I loved it how she started to fight back to Se Na especially with the water glasses scene. Taemu had his ups and downs with me sort of a love/hate relationship.
Over all, I enjoyed the drama. 100% Cheesy love scenes, but isn't it always like that. I'll take it all but one, the fire. Yes like everyone else I could have done well without that one. That was a little too much for me. And the last episode fight scenes. It couldn't be anymore fake
For those who saw the ending already:
I just finished the drama. Well i liked it, because it's fantasy-romcom with time travel.´, which is like all years holidays on one day. So i'm kinda biased^^.
Yes it was cheesy and in a lot parts predictable. I think the drama could be better, if they hadn't shown the "evil" side of the princess in the beginning. If they would've cut these parts out, it would be a lot more unpredictable and suspensful.
I'm cool with cheesy and predictable. But what i hate in some kdramas is, that the maincharacter could solve half of the conflicts of the drama in the beginning...and this with just 1 or 2 sentences.
i give you a fictional example(so no spoiler here^^): The dream girl of the male lead is about to marry a damn child molester and the male lead knows it The male lead knows it. At the same time he wants that the girl comes back to him, on her own accord. So he choses not to tell her, that her fiance is criminal. To summarize: he doesn't want to traumatize the girl, so he lets her marry a psycho? Such situations drive me nuts. And RP had a few situations of this kind.
Another thing, which is very...awkward...is the timeflow in this drama.
As for the ending:
Overall i think it's a entertaining drama and if i ever find the time to rewatch a drama(i rewatched just "that fool" and "secret garden" in all my kdrama-years) then i would rewatch this one.[/quote]
Yes it was cheesy and in a lot parts predictable. I think the drama could be better, if they hadn't shown the "evil" side of the princess in the beginning. If they would've cut these parts out, it would be a lot more unpredictable and suspensful.
I'm cool with cheesy and predictable. But what i hate in some kdramas is, that the maincharacter could solve half of the conflicts of the drama in the beginning...and this with just 1 or 2 sentences.
i give you a fictional example(so no spoiler here^^): The dream girl of the male lead is about to marry a damn child molester and the male lead knows it The male lead knows it. At the same time he wants that the girl comes back to him, on her own accord. So he choses not to tell her, that her fiance is criminal. To summarize: he doesn't want to traumatize the girl, so he lets her marry a psycho? Such situations drive me nuts. And RP had a few situations of this kind.
Another thing, which is very...awkward...is the timeflow in this drama.
Can I just say I am SO IMMENSELY HAPPY that we got ONE PROPER KISS out of this serie!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Kiss in Ep.19, SO MUCH RAW EMOTION from both leads, why didn't she do that earlier instead of being a wall? Such a waste,:crazy:
And can I also express my dissatisfaction for Sena not getting her punishment. She did redeem herself a bit in Ep.19, but I felt it was a bit too late... Sometimes I still doesn't understand all the hate and resentment she carries. I guess it is karma?
As for the ending... I cant say I feel satisfied, but this was one of the endings most of us saw coming I guess. Albeit I wish the writer took another approach, because with this, it does unjust not only to YiGak and Park Ha, but also TaeYong. And yes I see Yigak and Taeyong as TWO Different individuals, although they have the same soul.
And can I also express my dissatisfaction for Sena not getting her punishment. She did redeem herself a bit in Ep.19, but I felt it was a bit too late... Sometimes I still doesn't understand all the hate and resentment she carries. I guess it is karma?
As for the ending... I cant say I feel satisfied, but this was one of the endings most of us saw coming I guess. Albeit I wish the writer took another approach, because with this, it does unjust not only to YiGak and Park Ha, but also TaeYong. And yes I see Yigak and Taeyong as TWO Different individuals, although they have the same soul.
Hey exactly my thoughts^^.aility wrote:
But there is sun in Josen. If he brought back an mp3 player, then he could also bring a solar station(the small ones, which have enough power for a mp3 player, are not bigger, than a wallet).seirin wrote:I don't think there's solar loadstations back in Josen? Unless Man Bo read up on how to retrieve solar energy and built one. The other guy is not smart enough to build anything that's for sureSilverman wrote: For the Mp3-player. There are solar loadstations, so it's not impossible.
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I watched RTP because of Yoochun and his 3 ducklings hehe. Yoochun really did a great job here.
This drama had a lot of potential and I almost gave up on it halfway through, if not for the Joseon F4. It was initially an awesome drama but towards the later episodes, the corporate thingy became very frustrating to watch. Am I the only one who thinks that Yoo-Mi has more chemistry with Yoochun than Han Ji-min with Yoochun? As much as I despised the bitchy character of the Crown Princess, imho I could not deny the chemistry of Yoo-mi and Yoochun. I hope to see them together in a different drama; with Yoo-mi not as a villain this time keke...she's one very good actress!
This drama had a lot of potential and I almost gave up on it halfway through, if not for the Joseon F4. It was initially an awesome drama but towards the later episodes, the corporate thingy became very frustrating to watch. Am I the only one who thinks that Yoo-Mi has more chemistry with Yoochun than Han Ji-min with Yoochun? As much as I despised the bitchy character of the Crown Princess, imho I could not deny the chemistry of Yoo-mi and Yoochun. I hope to see them together in a different drama; with Yoo-mi not as a villain this time keke...she's one very good actress!
Se Na doesn't love anyone but herself. She hitched with Tae Mu because he's wealthy and still count as boss's grandson even if not blood related. She easily tried to dump Tae Mu for Grandma's favourite boy Tae Yong.kahlan wrote:I think Sena only loves herself. Not even sure if she really love Taemu or just his position and wealth. But i'm so into this show.
Se Na doesn't realise that Tae Mu is actually her best deal ever. Someone as conniving like herself, they are peas in one evil pod. Tae Mu is smart and hard working (he seems to be the only one really work hard in the company?) and despite being illegimite grandson, still wealthy. Not to mention he loves her madly despite her trying to latch onto better prospect.
I blame Grandma for Tae Mu's evil. He's only evil in company related matter because Grandma denied him all his hard work for the company and instead forcing the company to a blood-grandson who actually doesn't want it.
In another matters, Tae Mu is a decent guy. He put Park Ha's mom in hospital and visited her after the accident and even arranged to get Park Ha a job upon Mom's request. Visiting and arranging job are beyond his liability in the accident.
I had given up on dramas a couple of months ago because I'd become interested in American tv-series again, but since American tv-series are currently on hiatus, I recently decided to go back to dramas. A friend of mine highly recommended me "Rooftop Prince", so I started watching it a couple of days ago and only just finished it.
toenail: Ok first of all you're being rude. I do appreciate constructive criticism, but I do not tolerate being insulted. If you knew anything about it, you would know that there are several forms of Buddhism. I said I studied Japanese medieval Buddhism (what is now referred to as "Amidism") in relation to Japanese Noh theatre (I studied that at Masters level at university) and if you'd read any Noh plays you would see the similarities between this drama and the idea of Enlightenment in Noh. In Zeami's plays for example, you always have a spirit who is clinging on to this earth due to a personal conflict that happened when they were still alive (they lost their child, their lover, or are simply clinging on to a regret such as losing a battle or killing someone). The fact that they are clinging on to this regret is preventing them from reaching enlightenment, grounding them to this earth, and every Noh play is about them finding their way to Nirvana. This may be too similar to "Western pop Buddhism" for you, but Amidism is still today one of the most popular traditions of Buddhism in East Asia. And yes, it is practiced in Korea.
But this is getting off-topic.
I heard the theme song of this drama yesterday in a restaurant and it made me all nostalgic. The more I think about it, and the more I realized I actually really liked this drama. I might have to watch it again sometime in the future.
But this is getting off-topic.
I heard the theme song of this drama yesterday in a restaurant and it made me all nostalgic. The more I think about it, and the more I realized I actually really liked this drama. I might have to watch it again sometime in the future.
Most likely thanks to monk's incantations. But here two traditions are interwoven - both buddhist and traditional japanese view on spirits that linger on Earth. Oh yes, I read Zeami and Kanami's plays. In original.Keikan wrote: In Zeami's plays for example, you always have a spirit who is clinging on to this earth due to a personal conflict that happened when they were still alive (they lost their child, their lover, or are simply clinging on to a regret such as losing a battle or killing someone). The fact that they are clinging on to this regret is preventing them from reaching enlightenment, grounding them to this earth, and every Noh play is about them finding their way to Nirvana.
Because Amidism and idea of Pure Land arrived to Japan from China via Korea. This is why. Amidism and Jodo are really simple, this is why it permeated people's mind so easily. It's Amidism that says that if a holy man is going to reach salvation - then criminal even more.Keikan wrote: This may be too similar to "Western pop Buddhism" for you, but Amidism is still today one of the most popular traditions of Buddhism in East Asia. And yes, it is practiced in Korea.
Let's say it - amidism and jodo were pop-Buddhism then, comparing to all those esoteric sects or hinayana.
Alright if I appear rude to you then I apologise. I don't want to make you upset, but I hope other readers who are not familiar with Buddhism wouldn't read your comment and think of it as popular ghost stories like in Demi Moore's Ghost.
Who Are You has the same storyline, but it doesn't flag the idea as Buddhism. That's the point. Don't want to confuse traditional Korean/Japanese spiritualism with Buddhism. The same as Santa Claus and Christianity. Just leave religions out of popular entertainment, wouldn't want this for Arang and the Magistrate later.
Who Are You has the same storyline, but it doesn't flag the idea as Buddhism. That's the point. Don't want to confuse traditional Korean/Japanese spiritualism with Buddhism. The same as Santa Claus and Christianity. Just leave religions out of popular entertainment, wouldn't want this for Arang and the Magistrate later.
Yes that's where I am from, wouldn't argue about the term hinayana, but Ethlenn got the point.Ethlenn wrote: Let's say it - amidism and jodo were pop-Buddhism then, comparing to all those esoteric sects or hinayana.
I was referring to it because comparing to mahayana, it's more closed, self-centered and ascetic, without that much spirituality but with internal philosophy.Hinayana - Hīnayāna (हीनयान) is a Sanskrit and Pāli term literally meaning: the "Inferior Vehicle", "Deficient Vehicle", the "Abandoned Vehicle", or the "Defective Vehicle". The term appeared around the 1st or 2nd century. (wikipedia)
But it's heavily offtopic.
I'm with toenail on this - the motif of lingering souls is not only exclusive to Buddhism, for Lotus Pond's sake. Every religion that developped the concept of other world has it.
I'm not really knowledgeable in religious things (well ok, i know christianity and am one of the very few people in the world, who actually read the bible...btw. great gantasy-book), so please excuse me for my ignorance. Which religion was it, where the "soul" or the energy of a dead being (be it animals or plants) flows into some kind of "Soul conglomerate", so that in the end there are no individual souls. And from this "soul conglomerate" will be formed new souls. But i think souls, which didn't complete their lifestask will be reborn.
The concept of "collective soul" because that's how it's called, appears in stoical philosophy: each life cycle ends with a devastating fire in which all souls dissolve. When the destruction is complete, a new creation begins (referred to as Ciceronian renovatio). In certain schools of Buddhism and Hinduism-based too, the concept of one collective after-nirvana soul is also present. Plus, I guess you don't know the Bible as well as you boast you do - in Apocalypse and also in few non-canonical scriptures, there is a hint of a concept of one harmonious soul joined with God's eternal glory after the Judgement Day.
This is an interesting concept that appears in every religion that evolved to highly spiritual level.
And about the fact whether Bible is nice fantasy book or not, ie. Enuma Elish or Bhagavad Gita too, right? Who cares? As J. Campbell said - if we are to study the mythology with historical manners, and treat all what happened in myths or characters in it in the category of historical truth - we'd fail. Myths represent the sacrality of human life and they can't be treated the same as chronicles.
This is an interesting concept that appears in every religion that evolved to highly spiritual level.
And about the fact whether Bible is nice fantasy book or not, ie. Enuma Elish or Bhagavad Gita too, right? Who cares? As J. Campbell said - if we are to study the mythology with historical manners, and treat all what happened in myths or characters in it in the category of historical truth - we'd fail. Myths represent the sacrality of human life and they can't be treated the same as chronicles.
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Okay, I've read through some of the posts in this thread... I'm not gonna get into the spiritual thing or whatever. I just finished the series and there was one thing that bothered me a bit... Why didn't they ever lock their houses? I'm so confused. Lol.
Anyway, the series was great but the episodes about TM wanting to get the shares (the last couple of ones) did kind of drag a bit for me... I don't mind the romantic cliches though. I've kind of accepted that with kdramas. Yoochun was adorable and so were his three sidekicks.
I think everyone did great in their acting. My favourite character though would probably be Bo Young. Lol. I don't know why but for some reason it's her. Even though, I loved the Prince and Pak Ha's characters... They did frustrated me a bit at times. There were just times where they seemed really stupid to me but oh well. They're my second fave characters anyway. Next would be the sidekicks. Hahaha, they're pretty amazing.
Overall, great drama. Would I watch it again? Yeah may if I had time... But I'd probably skip most of eps 16-18. I think they could've done better especially with the ending. Still, I thought it was kind of beautiful how they both met up like that. They are truly fated for each other.
Anyway, the series was great but the episodes about TM wanting to get the shares (the last couple of ones) did kind of drag a bit for me... I don't mind the romantic cliches though. I've kind of accepted that with kdramas. Yoochun was adorable and so were his three sidekicks.
I think everyone did great in their acting. My favourite character though would probably be Bo Young. Lol. I don't know why but for some reason it's her. Even though, I loved the Prince and Pak Ha's characters... They did frustrated me a bit at times. There were just times where they seemed really stupid to me but oh well. They're my second fave characters anyway. Next would be the sidekicks. Hahaha, they're pretty amazing.
Overall, great drama. Would I watch it again? Yeah may if I had time... But I'd probably skip most of eps 16-18. I think they could've done better especially with the ending. Still, I thought it was kind of beautiful how they both met up like that. They are truly fated for each other.
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