[Discussion] Rich Man Poor Woman
You can watch it here:nezniznoz wrote:hiks, how can i streaming this drama online?
usually i watch this drama on dramacray.net
but now i can't..
anyone can help me?
thx a lot..
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For those who may be interested, my review of Ep 2 is here:
http://doramaworld.blogspot.sg/2012/08/ ... -ep-2.html
http://doramaworld.blogspot.sg/2012/08/ ... -ep-2.html
I prefer not to use the spoilers quote since the eng subs is after all out for 2 o3 days now if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, the real conflict has started and we can only imagine how real
internet/computer/techie moguls deal with their partners/directors, investors & employees behind closed doors. This only shows that at the end of the day its not just all about contributing technology to the world but being famous,powerful & rich.
That is what I think where lies the difference between Asahina & Hyuga. The former prefer to be well known and powerful, to the extent of willing to kiss ass (apologies for the word) just to get what he is aiming for (remember JI execs & BOD scenes) Hyuga on the other hand, being (i assumed in his character), a tech genius with a bad temper craved for unending challenges/knowledge and innovation(so the co. name) does not care less. Though he understands he needs "others" to support his idea, he prefers to do it in his own way with less compromise and being manipulated and dictated upon. Both characters have their pros and cons in the biz, that is why they are actually perfect partners. They balanced each others strengths & weaknesses. Asahina - the management/people skills and Hyuga - the brain/idea. However, normally one would end up greedy and clouded by their mission/vision in setting up the business so in effect it crumbles. That's why they end up separated due to "irreconcilable differences".
So here comes the two girls who will lighten up the mood and put both male leads to the ground. Makoto humanizes Hyuga, making him more sensitive and learns how to listen (not just to people but to himself as well -- carefully). I don't dislike Yoko eventhough I still have doubts about her meeting Hyuga in the past, but she is just acting normal in pursuing what she wants and that is to have Hyuga.. coz she likes him period! Though I go with @GaussAlgorithmus that she may end up with the other chef (he obviously likes her too ---pretending to bicker with her) One more thing is that Yoko can probably save Hyuga being the sister of Asahina. As to how she can be a key factor for what will happen in the future, she will be part of such development.
Somehow i can associate this episode with Tsuki no Koibito, where Takuya was ousted by Matsuda Shota. But Shota was less harsh than Asahina's BEST ACTOR performance.
My prediction for the next episode (based on preview):
internet/computer/techie moguls deal with their partners/directors, investors & employees behind closed doors. This only shows that at the end of the day its not just all about contributing technology to the world but being famous,powerful & rich.
That is what I think where lies the difference between Asahina & Hyuga. The former prefer to be well known and powerful, to the extent of willing to kiss ass (apologies for the word) just to get what he is aiming for (remember JI execs & BOD scenes) Hyuga on the other hand, being (i assumed in his character), a tech genius with a bad temper craved for unending challenges/knowledge and innovation(so the co. name) does not care less. Though he understands he needs "others" to support his idea, he prefers to do it in his own way with less compromise and being manipulated and dictated upon. Both characters have their pros and cons in the biz, that is why they are actually perfect partners. They balanced each others strengths & weaknesses. Asahina - the management/people skills and Hyuga - the brain/idea. However, normally one would end up greedy and clouded by their mission/vision in setting up the business so in effect it crumbles. That's why they end up separated due to "irreconcilable differences".
So here comes the two girls who will lighten up the mood and put both male leads to the ground. Makoto humanizes Hyuga, making him more sensitive and learns how to listen (not just to people but to himself as well -- carefully). I don't dislike Yoko eventhough I still have doubts about her meeting Hyuga in the past, but she is just acting normal in pursuing what she wants and that is to have Hyuga.. coz she likes him period! Though I go with @GaussAlgorithmus that she may end up with the other chef (he obviously likes her too ---pretending to bicker with her) One more thing is that Yoko can probably save Hyuga being the sister of Asahina. As to how she can be a key factor for what will happen in the future, she will be part of such development.
Somehow i can associate this episode with Tsuki no Koibito, where Takuya was ousted by Matsuda Shota. But Shota was less harsh than Asahina's BEST ACTOR performance.
My prediction for the next episode (based on preview):
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yes solucu it's a good idea to skip two episode in a dramas who have only 11 episode. Too much angst? Ah yes i forgot for a lot of people drama must be only comedy.
Ok I stop with the irony... seriously i find this drama very good, with a great lead actor and actress who have great chemistry... and a good pace... I don't understand all the bad critics for the recent episode.
Ok I stop with the irony... seriously i find this drama very good, with a great lead actor and actress who have great chemistry... and a good pace... I don't understand all the bad critics for the recent episode.
Same here! I am really enjoying this drama and it's pace and won't nitpick small unrelated little details. I have started this drama with no high expectations so it's going fine for my taste. I just want more than one ep in each week.asialover wrote:Ok I stop with the irony... seriously i find this drama very good, with a great lead actor and actress who have great chemistry... and a good pace... I don't understand all the bad critics for the recent episode.
What I like about RMPW is that its love story is not in your face and it's secondary to Hyuga's story. Atleast that's how I see it. We are in mid story were the angst part has to show itself and it's inevitable. To be honest, I'm more worried about Hyuga and Asahina's relationship and Next Innovation future than a drunken kiss between him and Yoko.
We all know who are the intended and main couple anyway. I don't really see Yoko as such a big threat but I guess it can be annoying watching them together and makoto's puppy eyes looking at them in the background.
As I said before, even though I'm rooting for main couple, I also like Asahina's moments with makoto and I do want to see more of it. It kind of reminds of makino and rui's relationship with the difference that Rui was not a backstabbing person.
Will be lookinging forward to see ep5 with subs .
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English translation of Ep 7 Preview (from the official site of RMPW):
credits to:koalasplayground
I just also watched the 1min preview of ep 7 and sense that its gonna be a good episode.
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Episode 6 is the episode of hits & misses.
At least now we saw Hyuga acting on his feelings towards Makoto, though a miss but let's wait for a while. I hope our wait for their moment is worth it.
That Sakai guy really hits the bullseye for Hyuga. If only he could tell all the stockholders that finally someone who may look indecent/ragged acted more decent than the ones who wore suits. Now a classic example for "don't judge the book by its cover".
In as much as I value the friendship/partnership of Asahina & Hyuga, i really want him out in the end and contemplate or pay off his present and future plans against Hyuga. Asahina approached Hyuga in the first place, coz he saw the guys talent. Whatever inputs/help he have invested in the company he had the most benefits than Hyuga for me (though its Hyuga in the spotlight) but financial gain wise, he gets a lot. He set aside what they have been through since his pride was hurt (second man). Too petty for me.
Yoko really looks good with that other chef. I have seen the actor in a few jdramas and may I say he is becoming more mature now since he gained weight.
After reading the spoilers for ep7, i wonder how Asahina will drop the bomb.
At least now we saw Hyuga acting on his feelings towards Makoto, though a miss but let's wait for a while. I hope our wait for their moment is worth it.
That Sakai guy really hits the bullseye for Hyuga. If only he could tell all the stockholders that finally someone who may look indecent/ragged acted more decent than the ones who wore suits. Now a classic example for "don't judge the book by its cover".
In as much as I value the friendship/partnership of Asahina & Hyuga, i really want him out in the end and contemplate or pay off his present and future plans against Hyuga. Asahina approached Hyuga in the first place, coz he saw the guys talent. Whatever inputs/help he have invested in the company he had the most benefits than Hyuga for me (though its Hyuga in the spotlight) but financial gain wise, he gets a lot. He set aside what they have been through since his pride was hurt (second man). Too petty for me.
Yoko really looks good with that other chef. I have seen the actor in a few jdramas and may I say he is becoming more mature now since he gained weight.
After reading the spoilers for ep7, i wonder how Asahina will drop the bomb.
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Excuse me but driving scene made every sense to me because having a driving license does not make you a good driver specially if you don't drive regularly. She doesn't own a car and god knows when she has driven one, so her reactions and driving was totally natural. I don't drive regularly and every few months when I do, my initial reactions are exactly like. I actually liked that scene particularly because it reminded me of myself.
And about your other "the bad" point, of course Asahina can treat that guy that way because he has the upper hand. That guy alone on himself can't do much without having Asahina on his side. He knows it very well and that's why agrees to everything Asahina says.
I agree with makoto keep saying she's stupid but looking back it's not totally her fault. Hyuga keep telling her she's stupid and have to keep quiet constantly and in front of everyone definitely knocks down lots of her self confidence![/spoiler]
Excuse me but driving scene made every sense to me because having a driving license does not make you a good driver specially if you don't drive regularly. She doesn't own a car and god knows when she has driven one, so her reactions and driving was totally natural. I don't drive regularly and every few months when I do, my initial reactions are exactly like. I actually liked that scene particularly because it reminded me of myself.
And about your other "the bad" point, of course Asahina can treat that guy that way because he has the upper hand. That guy alone on himself can't do much without having Asahina on his side. He knows it very well and that's why agrees to everything Asahina says.
I agree with makoto keep saying she's stupid but looking back it's not totally her fault. Hyuga keep telling her she's stupid and have to keep quiet constantly and in front of everyone definitely knocks down lots of her self confidence![/spoiler]
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Issy wrote: Excuse me but driving scene made every sense to me because having a driving license does not make you a good driver specially if you don't drive regularly. She doesn't own a car and god knows when she has driven one, so her reactions and driving was totally natural. I don't drive regularly and every few months when I do, my initial reactions are exactly like. I actually liked that scene particularly because it reminded me of myself.
She is so bad at driving...my first driving lesson was better then this and the car didn't have a slushbox. She sits totally cramped behind the wheel (hands in "5 to 1" position? seriously???) and is overstrained by everything. If she can't drive, that's ok. Not everyone is "made" to be a good driver, like not everybody can be a good pianist. But for the sake of her security and all the other people on the road, she should train first on an empty day, somewhere, where she can't harm anybody. The car owner is filthy rich and could've afforded to pay some Yen more for the parking fee...or to hire a tow-car, or...
She could've simply said "sorry, I don't have a license" or taken the honest route with "I'm sorry, but I can't drive".
At the moment he can't do anything...but if someone would treat me that bad, I would turn on him...even if it's months or years later.Issy wrote: And about your other "the bad" point, of course Asahina can treat that guy that way because he has the upper hand. That guy alone on himself can't do much without having Asahina on his side. He knows it very well and that's why agrees to everything Asahina says.
Since when did she have self confidence? Even in the first episode I never got the feeling that she has something like it...Issy wrote: I agree with makoto keep saying she's stupid but looking back it's not totally her fault. Hyuga keep telling her she's stupid and have to keep quiet constantly and in front of everyone definitely knocks down lots of her self confidence!
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You keep forgetting the fact that you are watching A Drama. Even with most realistically made dramas, they do a bit of over exaggeration scenes that usually doesn't happen in real life for sake of adding more drama and buzz to over all story. Let alone a fluffy romantic storylines.
Maybe if you lower your high expectations a little, you can enjoy this drama more. This drama is not made as serious and complicated as you taking it for. Fussing over why she's driving slow, why interface looks stupid... will definitely lessen your enjoyment.
You keep forgetting the fact that you are watching A Drama. Even with most realistically made dramas, they do a bit of over exaggeration scenes that usually doesn't happen in real life for sake of adding more drama and buzz to over all story. Let alone a fluffy romantic storylines.
Maybe if you lower your high expectations a little, you can enjoy this drama more. This drama is not made as serious and complicated as you taking it for. Fussing over why she's driving slow, why interface looks stupid... will definitely lessen your enjoyment.
wow this thread is becoming HOT
the reactions here only proves that viewers are attentive to the details and not just watching for the heck of it.
both @GaussAlgoithmus and @Issy has their point and I don't think these two are arguing, i believe they are just exercising their right to opinion/speech. am i right? sometimes we analyze too much and sometimes we care less much that's why it either fails to satisfy us in one way or another. funny coz, instead of comparing reality to fiction we go the other way around. maybe because we explore too much of what's real and when its interpreted by the writers to drama/movies it tends to create a thin line of both.
the reactions here only proves that viewers are attentive to the details and not just watching for the heck of it.
both @GaussAlgoithmus and @Issy has their point and I don't think these two are arguing, i believe they are just exercising their right to opinion/speech. am i right? sometimes we analyze too much and sometimes we care less much that's why it either fails to satisfy us in one way or another. funny coz, instead of comparing reality to fiction we go the other way around. maybe because we explore too much of what's real and when its interpreted by the writers to drama/movies it tends to create a thin line of both.
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I know, I know. But I take driving very seriously, and seeing something like this (and experiencing it on the road) really makes my blood boil.Issy wrote:^
You keep forgetting the fact that you are watching A Drama. Even with most realistically made dramas, they do a bit of over exaggeration scenes that usually doesn't happen in real life for sake of adding more drama and buzz to over all story. Let alone a fluffy romantic storylines.
But it's not just the driving. I see it more as a character trait of her, which I don't really like that much: She does everything she is told to...even if she totally sucks at it. I don't see the problem in just saying "no, I'm unable to do so". It makes her too naive for my taste, and pushes her "I am so stupid" character with no self confidence to the border of being annoying.
If she was a poor studend from a 4th rate college with bad grades and no talents...that would be acceptable to me. But to me, a person that graduated from Todai with an extreme memory isn't compatible with the extreme low self esteem and self confidence image. I simply don't like this part of her character.
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Hi all,
I agree with this last post...the fact that she takes all the comments like 'you're stupid' and so on without blinking is really a little overwhelming. I have noticed this so often (mostly in Jdramas) that the lead female character always seems weaker and has to chase the lead male character around. Why is this so? In any case I am hoping that she will stand up for herself very soon in this story otherwise it will be a disappointment for me.
I agree with this last post...the fact that she takes all the comments like 'you're stupid' and so on without blinking is really a little overwhelming. I have noticed this so often (mostly in Jdramas) that the lead female character always seems weaker and has to chase the lead male character around. Why is this so? In any case I am hoping that she will stand up for herself very soon in this story otherwise it will be a disappointment for me.
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I think that this is simply a cultural difference. As far as I know, the Japanese society is way more male-dominated then for example the European.sunflower63 wrote:I have noticed this so often (mostly in Jdramas) that the lead female character always seems weaker and has to chase the lead male character around. Why is this so?
I actually wasn't gonna join in on this discussion but Author Message
GaussAlgorithmus you bring up some really good points. I really enjoy this drama and have recognized its flaws (which I will go in further why I'm still enjoying it) and do wish it didn't go in certain directions.
But yeah... I think still, I'll continue watching it but it really could've went/expanded in so many other ways than what it's doing...
GaussAlgorithmus you bring up some really good points. I really enjoy this drama and have recognized its flaws (which I will go in further why I'm still enjoying it) and do wish it didn't go in certain directions.
as for me, I really enjoyed ep7. I thought it was the best ep so far. everything settled nicely in their intended places. characters, evens and revelations.
for me, RMPW is a fluffy romantic drama. nothing more and nothing less. It's not about I.T, company ... It's just a simple love story. probably that's why I'm really enjoying it to the max and little short comings and flaws here and there does not really bother me.
well, apart from the insert song (the English version) that it has gone on my nerves in a bad way and makes me cringe every time it plays.
for me, RMPW is a fluffy romantic drama. nothing more and nothing less. It's not about I.T, company ... It's just a simple love story. probably that's why I'm really enjoying it to the max and little short comings and flaws here and there does not really bother me.
well, apart from the insert song (the English version) that it has gone on my nerves in a bad way and makes me cringe every time it plays.
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I agree that this was a great episode (although I read somewhere that it had the lowest ratings in Japan?) as I thought the acting was absolutely superb. It was almost possible to physically feel the tension between the two male lead actors and this is what good acting is all about. I am hoping that she will become stronger and more confident as the story progresses as she is always whining and following him about...I liked the comment about 'raising a dog' as she really does remind me of one in many occasions.
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At least I share the same sentiments to some that the soundtrack has been played too many times unnecessarily. Not to mention that it was played with lyrics and not the instrumental version if they insist to put on musical scoring.
Other than the annoying OST playing, it was another good episode for me.
Again, i will not use spoilers here since the eng subs has been posted for a few days now.
I love the scene where Hyuga and Makoto were walking together (though not side by side).
That was romantic for me since Makoto more or less revealed her feelings for Hyuga but Hyuga has lots of things in his mind that considering a relationship maybe out of the question for now. But at least he did not totally rejected her outright (suggesting Makoto to get another employment is not rejection for love). I presumed Hyuga is Makoto's first love (or serious one) so her understanding of things is not as mature as we want it to be. Thus, a few think she's acting unreasonable or insane for begging a job at Next iNNovation.
Hyuga on the other hand has a deeper understanding of relationships so he did not want to hold on to someone whom he thinks might hinder the potential (of Makoto), knowing that the company is having problems --- big time. If you think about it, its as if he is protecting her from being involved further and not because he does not want her to be beside him.
Knowing japanese people to be less confrontational, I was surprised when the 4 leads openly talked about their relationships (the kiss, the turning down of Asahina etc). Clearly a strategy to see each others reactions to what each word is being uttered on the table.
I just wish there will be more scenes for Yoko and Nogi these two are just a match. Yoko is just looking so far when there is someone just across him in the kitchen.
Sakaguchi is one loyal guy. Hyuga's unselfishness paid off. In fact the loyal employees especially Yasuoka will clearly stand for him. Asahina may have the laugh now but surely Hyuga will have the last. I bet those loyal employees to Hyuga will join him later on or give less support to Asahina. How can the body function if there's no brain to dictate how things will be done?
As for the title, I think we should not think about it literally. The word Rich & Poor can be associated not only with wealth but some other things as well. Like perhaps, Rich ideas, poor in understanding. And if we insist on the literal meaning, i still believe that Makoto is poor compared to Hyuga (Hyuga may have sacrificed his shares to the company but that does not mean he is bankrupt personally). Company funds is separate from personal funds. She is not rich, not middle class and not the poorest as well.
Other than the annoying OST playing, it was another good episode for me.
Again, i will not use spoilers here since the eng subs has been posted for a few days now.
I love the scene where Hyuga and Makoto were walking together (though not side by side).
That was romantic for me since Makoto more or less revealed her feelings for Hyuga but Hyuga has lots of things in his mind that considering a relationship maybe out of the question for now. But at least he did not totally rejected her outright (suggesting Makoto to get another employment is not rejection for love). I presumed Hyuga is Makoto's first love (or serious one) so her understanding of things is not as mature as we want it to be. Thus, a few think she's acting unreasonable or insane for begging a job at Next iNNovation.
Hyuga on the other hand has a deeper understanding of relationships so he did not want to hold on to someone whom he thinks might hinder the potential (of Makoto), knowing that the company is having problems --- big time. If you think about it, its as if he is protecting her from being involved further and not because he does not want her to be beside him.
Knowing japanese people to be less confrontational, I was surprised when the 4 leads openly talked about their relationships (the kiss, the turning down of Asahina etc). Clearly a strategy to see each others reactions to what each word is being uttered on the table.
I just wish there will be more scenes for Yoko and Nogi these two are just a match. Yoko is just looking so far when there is someone just across him in the kitchen.
Sakaguchi is one loyal guy. Hyuga's unselfishness paid off. In fact the loyal employees especially Yasuoka will clearly stand for him. Asahina may have the laugh now but surely Hyuga will have the last. I bet those loyal employees to Hyuga will join him later on or give less support to Asahina. How can the body function if there's no brain to dictate how things will be done?
As for the title, I think we should not think about it literally. The word Rich & Poor can be associated not only with wealth but some other things as well. Like perhaps, Rich ideas, poor in understanding. And if we insist on the literal meaning, i still believe that Makoto is poor compared to Hyuga (Hyuga may have sacrificed his shares to the company but that does not mean he is bankrupt personally). Company funds is separate from personal funds. She is not rich, not middle class and not the poorest as well.
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If anyone is interested.. watch my Fanmade videos of Rich Man, Poor Woman on yt
http://www.youtube.com/user/akosieunice002/videos
Latest episode has been uploaded as well :p
http://www.youtube.com/user/akosieunice002/videos
Latest episode has been uploaded as well :p
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For those who are excited to see RMPW ep 8 (like me. LOL!) without subs, it's already out here: http://channel.pandora.tv/channel/video ... d=46319754
OH MY GOSH! So I just watched the episode and I loved it so far!!!!! Love the chemistry of Hyuga-Makoto! (see the last errr, 5-10 minutes ♥)
And the most awaited part is on the next episode, ep 9! Kyaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
OH MY GOSH! So I just watched the episode and I loved it so far!!!!! Love the chemistry of Hyuga-Makoto! (see the last errr, 5-10 minutes ♥)
And the most awaited part is on the next episode, ep 9! Kyaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
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It's good thing I did not expect much on how the story will unfold after Asahina's revelation since episode 8 was just well written for me.
In as much as I would like to curse and beat Asahina for putting no value to friendship, I pity the guy. He is the most pitiful since he appeared to have everything in an instant but he is the most empty guy you can see. He said it himself, he has lost both Hyuga & Makoto, not to mention his sister. I am really looking forward on how he would end up at the conclusion of this drama.
I was happy that the 3 guys decided to go with Hyuga but after knowing they have none to work on and Hyuga has nothing... I cannot blame them... the economy is bad and they need a job. Loyalty can't feed them at that stage. Makoto is different since she is in love.. stupid it may seem but she said it herself she has decided to turn down everything and follow Hyuga wherever he goes.
The preview is exciting .... the show is about to end and hope they make a blast!!!
In as much as I would like to curse and beat Asahina for putting no value to friendship, I pity the guy. He is the most pitiful since he appeared to have everything in an instant but he is the most empty guy you can see. He said it himself, he has lost both Hyuga & Makoto, not to mention his sister. I am really looking forward on how he would end up at the conclusion of this drama.
I was happy that the 3 guys decided to go with Hyuga but after knowing they have none to work on and Hyuga has nothing... I cannot blame them... the economy is bad and they need a job. Loyalty can't feed them at that stage. Makoto is different since she is in love.. stupid it may seem but she said it herself she has decided to turn down everything and follow Hyuga wherever he goes.
The preview is exciting .... the show is about to end and hope they make a blast!!!
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You're totally right there. There's alot of Asahina hate going around, but if you look at it, Hyuga maybe an eccentric, but he has everything a person needs, friends, interllect and people who genuinely love him. Whereas Asahina is the 2nd man and how long could you play second to someone right? Only he takes the low road and manages to alienate everyone. I have a feeling there's more to the Asahina story that pure jealousy, but I'm guessing the last three episodes will focus on developing the original love story between the two main leads. I gotta say, for a whiny, sobbing girl who would usually have me throwing shoes at the screen, Satomi Ishihara is funny and charming when she wants to be. Loved the ride, planning to enjoy it to the endcounsel05 wrote:It's good thing I did not expect much on how the story will unfold after Asahina's revelation since episode 8 was just well written for me.
In as much as I would like to curse and beat Asahina for putting no value to friendship, I pity the guy. He is the most pitiful since he appeared to have everything in an instant but he is the most empty guy you can see. He said it himself, he has lost both Hyuga & Makoto, not to mention his sister.
Same here. He might have got me to the point of wanting to kill him but it came from feelings of disappointments about him. I really liked Asahina and even though I expected him to turn against Hyuga, it still felt so out of his character to turn this evil.
When he offered a position to makoto, when he went after her to stop her from following Hyuga and when he said "now he lost both" all were scenes when I felt sad for him. Loving Arata for portraying Asahina so well.
When he offered a position to makoto, when he went after her to stop her from following Hyuga and when he said "now he lost both" all were scenes when I felt sad for him. Loving Arata for portraying Asahina so well.
I like this drama very much, both the story and the acting.
There is one thing though that I never managed to see... it is the Asahina's love for Makoto. They didn't depict that too well. Untill now, I thought it was only part of his plan to just drive Makoto away from Hyuga. From that elevator scene, it seems he is really in love with her... But I never felt it so through the scenes they had together.
I'm also eager to see how Asahina will end up in the story... for his sister we all know how it will go, but for him, I can't tell yet !
There is one thing though that I never managed to see... it is the Asahina's love for Makoto. They didn't depict that too well. Untill now, I thought it was only part of his plan to just drive Makoto away from Hyuga. From that elevator scene, it seems he is really in love with her... But I never felt it so through the scenes they had together.
I'm also eager to see how Asahina will end up in the story... for his sister we all know how it will go, but for him, I can't tell yet !
Wow, that sounds so... sexist...GaussAlgorithmus wrote:The avarage secretary approach woul've been much better....and for many woman easier to identify with.
Anyway I quite enjoyed episodes 8 & 9. Oguri Shun is as good an actor as usual. Their romance is progressing slowly. Eager to watch episode 10 and see what will happen to Asahina!
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If you take a look at the Japanese society, then it isn't. The majority of woman only have part time jobs or are secretarys/OLs. That is simply the reality.voldemort wrote:Wow, that sounds so... sexist...GaussAlgorithmus wrote:The avarage secretary approach woul've been much better....and for many woman easier to identify with.
Or was "Salarayman Kintaro" sexist too?
Exactly what I thought! Why she has to have no todai background for lots of women to identify with her easily???voldemort wrote:Wow, that sounds so... sexist...GaussAlgorithmus wrote:The avarage secretary approach woul've been much better....and for many woman easier to identify with.
Anyway I quite enjoyed episodes 8 & 9. Oguri Shun is as good an actor as usual. Their romance is progressing slowly. Eager to watch episode 10 and see what will happen to Asahina!
Constantly bashing the female character in every ep, pointing out how she's stupid acting like this and that (where actually proved her worth in every ep using her intelligent ) and now no academic background is more suitable for her because that's how us female viewers will identify with her?
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I only think the "no Todai" background would be better because it would fit her character much nicer. I simply can't imagine a student from Todai (which is still THE elite university in Japan) behaving as stupid as she always does. That's all. That's why a fourth rate college would fit her character (not "a woman" in general!) simply better. Her character as it is shown on the screen would simply work better.Issy wrote:Exactly what I thought! Why she has to have no todai background for lots of women to identify with her easily???
Constantly bashing the female character in every ep, pointing out how she's stupid acting like this and that (where actually proved her worth in every ep using her intelligent ) and now no academic background is more suitable for her because that's how us female viewers will identify with her?
I assume, that the original draft of her character was more intelligent (because in the first episodes she simply was more intelligent) but they somehow changed it during the drama, like they totally dropped the "mother" theme, which was so important in the first episodes. The writer have been probably like "Well the audience likes "cute" "naive" and "clutzy" more then "intelligent"...but she still has the Todai background...whatever, who cares."
And of course it would be much easier for woman to identify with her if she was "just a ordinary secretary" or "just an OL". That's perfectly normal. For the average males in Japan it would probably much easier to identify themselfs with a "normal salary man" then with a big business tycoon, a neurosurgeon or a professional pianist. Why? Because the percentage of salary man within the male demographic is simply much higher then the percentage of neurosurgeons and pianists. And it is always easiert to identify with a role, if it's life is close to that of oneself.
That has nothing to do with sexism. My statement is solely based on demographics and basic behavioral psychology.
Why do commercials for household goods normally show "normal" housewives and no supermodels? Because the potential buyer can relate much easier to "normal" houswives doing the dishes and having problems with dirty laundry, then to a million $ supermodel having these kind of problems.
Her intelligence has nothing to do with her feelings about Hyuga. A smart person also can be immature if it's about their feelings and Makoto's acts are directed by her feelings. That's all.
She doesn't care about anything but one person. This is not a rare thing at all and in my eyes not a dumb one either. Perhaps I'm stupid like Makoto. ^^
She doesn't care about anything but one person. This is not a rare thing at all and in my eyes not a dumb one either. Perhaps I'm stupid like Makoto. ^^
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I have to agree that Makoto wasn't portrayed up to Ep. 8 as a very smart woman and this bothered me very much indeed, especially for the fact that she was running around after Hyuga like a puppy and being called idiot many times without reacting. However in Ep. 9 something has slowly started changing and I thought that her idea of her writing the messages on the wall was absolutely superb and it really hit the mark and showed that she can be clever if she wants to. I'm hoping this will keep up until the last episode.
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That may be true, people tend to do "not so smart things" when they're in love. But there is a difference between "not so smart things" and "totally stupid".gilnis wrote:Her intelligence has nothing to do with her feelings about Hyuga. A smart person also can be immature if it's about their feelings and Makoto's acts are directed by her feelings. That's all.
She doesn't care about anything but one person. This is not a rare thing at all and in my eyes not a dumb one either. Perhaps I'm stupid like Makoto. ^^
Passing an awesome job offer just because of beinge somewhat in love with one person is totally bonkers. She doesn't know himn for long, she doesn't really know him personally, she doesn't know how he feels about her and he didn't even show any signs of "really" liking her. Still she gave up this probably once in a lifetime chance. And what makes things worse is, that she actually coul've helped him SO MUCH MORE if she had just taken the job.
He is totally broke, he literally hasn't much more then the clothes he is wearing...but wants to start a new business. What do you need for starting a new business? Right, money! If she had taken the job, she could've provided him with money for starting that business, THAT would be a BIG help! After the business took off, she still coul've left the pharmaceutical company to work with Hyuga. That would've simply been the smart way.
And, think about his position: He knows, that she had given up this opportunity because of him. Noone seeing how unfair this is to him? That puts him in a very awkward and "pressured" postion, because if he fails, not only does his life end up in tatters, but probably hers as well.
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here me and you have different point of views. you think all people from good academic back ground are super human and behave in certain ways and manners because they were clever enough to get those universities. no one said you can't be clever and clumsy at the same time.
these people are human too, they have feeling, they can be clumsy or even make wrong decision in life. even genius ones do and it comes from being human. if you are truly in love, matters like money, power, good job does and many more important stuff does not make much sense to you. you become blinded by your love. so there is no way out of her character for mokoto to behave like this. it happens every day, it has happened before and it will still happen in future.
and now to identifying issue. you obviously should know that each drama appeals to certain group of people. each drama more or less has its specific age group followers. you are not expecting households viewers over 40s to identify with a character like makoto. are you? I am not saying that only females within her age limit should be watching this drama, I am saying what kind of viewrs can Identify with her character. and women and groups who do, are mostly coming from the same background more or less. the time has changed. so she is still kind of your average girl.
and the last but least, is the way you are looking at her character and see her acting stupid and silly most of times. everyone is entitled to make an opinion about a character but being clumsy, silly, low self-confidence and esteem is not a proof of being stupid. you say she is acting against her academic background and being stupid when she does actually do something to prove that matter and it has nothing to do with her normal human behaviour I have mentioned above.
I hate stupid cliche female characters in dramas and I have seen plenty of them. one thing for sure, Makoto is not one of them.
here me and you have different point of views. you think all people from good academic back ground are super human and behave in certain ways and manners because they were clever enough to get those universities. no one said you can't be clever and clumsy at the same time.
these people are human too, they have feeling, they can be clumsy or even make wrong decision in life. even genius ones do and it comes from being human. if you are truly in love, matters like money, power, good job does and many more important stuff does not make much sense to you. you become blinded by your love. so there is no way out of her character for mokoto to behave like this. it happens every day, it has happened before and it will still happen in future.
and now to identifying issue. you obviously should know that each drama appeals to certain group of people. each drama more or less has its specific age group followers. you are not expecting households viewers over 40s to identify with a character like makoto. are you? I am not saying that only females within her age limit should be watching this drama, I am saying what kind of viewrs can Identify with her character. and women and groups who do, are mostly coming from the same background more or less. the time has changed. so she is still kind of your average girl.
and the last but least, is the way you are looking at her character and see her acting stupid and silly most of times. everyone is entitled to make an opinion about a character but being clumsy, silly, low self-confidence and esteem is not a proof of being stupid. you say she is acting against her academic background and being stupid when she does actually do something to prove that matter and it has nothing to do with her normal human behaviour I have mentioned above.
I hate stupid cliche female characters in dramas and I have seen plenty of them. one thing for sure, Makoto is not one of them.
and one more thing I forgot to add,
I'm not saying that makoto is the best character I have every seen or this drama is the best drama I have ever seen. all I am saying that I know I am watching a fluffy romo-com in which its character behave they way they are expected to behave.
if your makoto character is a super human clever girl who thinks straight and correct according to exactly what you expect of her to do, it would have not being called a rom-com. In that case, people will sure have problems identifying with its characters. because real life is not always perfect and people do not act the way they should or expected them to do all the time!
I'm not saying that makoto is the best character I have every seen or this drama is the best drama I have ever seen. all I am saying that I know I am watching a fluffy romo-com in which its character behave they way they are expected to behave.
if your makoto character is a super human clever girl who thinks straight and correct according to exactly what you expect of her to do, it would have not being called a rom-com. In that case, people will sure have problems identifying with its characters. because real life is not always perfect and people do not act the way they should or expected them to do all the time!
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Agreed. But she is not clumsy but plainly stupid. That is a difference.Issy wrote:^
here me and you have different point of views. you think all people from good academic back ground are super human and behave in certain ways and manners because they were clever enough to get those universities. no one said you can't be clever and clumsy at the same time.
It happens, yes...but not so much with people from elite universities. Noone from university (not "elite", there isn'T something like that in Germany) I know would behave like that. But maybe that is due to the fact that they're all physicists, mathematicians and engineers ...Issy wrote: these people are human too, they have feeling, they can be clumsy or even make wrong decision in life. even genius ones do and it comes from being human. if you are truly in love, matters like money, power, good job does and many more important stuff does not make much sense to you. you become blinded by your love. so there is no way out of her character for mokoto to behave like this. it happens every day, it has happened before and it will still happen in future.
The "avarge" woman in Japan works part time or is a secretary / OL. Times have changed...but not so much in Japan when it comes to that. It's a fact, just look at the numbers. The avarge woman is still not from an elite university, still works as a secretary or OL, stills quits the job when she gets married or pregnant. That is how it is in the Japanese society.Issy wrote: and now to identifying issue. you obviously should know that each drama appeals to certain group of people. each drama more or less has its specific age group followers. you are not expecting households viewers over 40s to identify with a character like makoto. are you? I am not saying that only females within her age limit should be watching this drama, I am saying what kind of viewrs can Identify with her character. and women and groups who do, are mostly coming from the same background more or less. the time has changed. so she is still kind of your average girl.
I say she totally is! She is the "cute and clumsy", good looking female, that is willing to do and sacrifice everything for the man she loves...even if she doesn't know if he loves him back. She is blindly following him like a cute puppy. Seriously, how more cliché can it get?Issy wrote: I hate stupid cliche female characters in dramas and I have seen plenty of them. one thing for sure, Makoto is not one of them.
This is another problem of this drama. Is this really a rom com? Where is the comedy? I haven't seen much of this lately. The drama completely changed its tone. Suddenly it'S all about stock market, product development and hostile takeovers. Romance? No. Comedy? No.Issy wrote:and one more thing I forgot to add,
I'm not saying that makoto is the best character I have every seen or this drama is the best drama I have ever seen. all I am saying that I know I am watching a fluffy romo-com in which its character behave they way they are expected to behave.
I more and more get the feeling, that the writers are now in a totally different drama then what they tought about in the beginning. Because what we'Ve seen lately isn't really a romantic comedy like it was in the beginning.
Not doing extremly stupid stuff that may ruin your whole life and not throwing away once in a lifetime opportunities is beeing "super human"?Issy wrote: if your makoto character is a super human clever girl who thinks straight and correct according to exactly what you expect of her to do, it would have not being called a rom-com. In that case, people will sure have problems identifying with its characters.
Maybe they should've scrapped her character completly. The Aibu Saki Character (the cook) could've been the main lead. She would'Ve been torn between her brother (insert story about how they were poor when they were young and have a very close relationship here) and the person who she loves blindly because of something that happened a few years ago. On the other hand, there would've been the other cook who she fights with all the time, but who likes her more and more, and she takes some time to realise that. And then she has to make the decision. Instant rom-com material, and to me that sounds much more interesting then what is shown now.
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Episode 9:
My prediction:
Nice trivia:
The German participants name at that "ITC Summit" was "Willy Adenauer", a combination of "Konrad Adenauer" and "Willy Brandt" two of the most important chancelors of Germany. It's a little bit like naming an American "Ronald Clinton" or "Bill Reagan". Nice little touch there.
The German participants name at that "ITC Summit" was "Willy Adenauer", a combination of "Konrad Adenauer" and "Willy Brandt" two of the most important chancelors of Germany. It's a little bit like naming an American "Ronald Clinton" or "Bill Reagan". Nice little touch there.
As expected discussions are heating up again
One thing that I am now convinced after this episode .... Oguri Shun CAN ACT! I have not seen all of his drama or any of his movie(s) but his role in this drama has shown me the other side of him.
The next episode is full of surprises for me since from the looks of it i don't think that it will just turn out that fast with Asahina being caught off guard. I smell something fishy on that one. As always, can't wait for the next.
One thing that I am now convinced after this episode .... Oguri Shun CAN ACT! I have not seen all of his drama or any of his movie(s) but his role in this drama has shown me the other side of him.
The next episode is full of surprises for me since from the looks of it i don't think that it will just turn out that fast with Asahina being caught off guard. I smell something fishy on that one. As always, can't wait for the next.
Episode 10 frustrating.
I don't understand a word of japanese but dang he didn't stop her.
Gosh, just confess already--you like her, you want her by your side.
There was one great part, the bus scene, her head resting on his shoulders out of pure exhausted, he doesn't know what to do at first but then decides this feels comfortable, I'll take a nap too.
I squealed.
I don't understand a word of japanese but dang he didn't stop her.
Gosh, just confess already--you like her, you want her by your side.
There was one great part, the bus scene, her head resting on his shoulders out of pure exhausted, he doesn't know what to do at first but then decides this feels comfortable, I'll take a nap too.
I squealed.
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I enjoyed this episode as it showed a much 'softer' side of Hyuga and how he slowly came to realize his feelings. Yes I was also upset that he met his mum with Yoko but if he had been with Makoto she probably would have made him confess that he was her son at one point so it is better for him to break his barriers with his timings. I am sure they are saving the best part for the last episode when he will surely confess his love for Makoto...this drama is really brilliant and I wish it lasted for more than 11 episodes, why can't they make an exception for once?
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Ha, ha, ha, like I said before it's time for an I told you so dance. Remember when I wrote:
ok, ok, Episode 10:
The spoiler for next episode:
;)GaussAlgorithmus wrote:Episode 6:
ok, ok, Episode 10:
The funny thing about K & J Dramas, all through the drama when someone is about to say something important, the cell phone rings. The cell phone has become a major part of life and the dramas. BUT, when someone is leaving or "flying out", then one of the stars is running to the airport instead of just using the cell phone. Cell phones are just not as dramatic as running through an airport.
Hope this show does not end like that. KDramas they usually say they love each other usually 4 or 5 eps before the end and the last eps are usually defending their love.
Hope this show does not end like that. KDramas they usually say they love each other usually 4 or 5 eps before the end and the last eps are usually defending their love.
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This show can't end like Kdramas as the next episode will be the last so they will probably declare their love to each other in the very last minute like it is usually done in Jdramas. In any case, I think she did the right thing to totally disappear and not answer his phonecalls as it was the only way for him to realise how much he cared for her and wanted to see her.
Yeah! It's ridiculous that Tokyo is such a huge city but when someone really has to hurry to get somewhere, they always run!el_canuck wrote:BUT, when someone is leaving or "flying out", then one of the stars is running to the airport instead of just using the cell phone. Cell phones are just not as dramatic as running through an airport.
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ep 10 was so heart wrenching!! it is kinda lame for natsui to stop all contact w/ toru, but i can sympathize with how she wanted to stop being so attached to him and end her painful "unrequited" love. it seemed like she felt he was too good for her and wouldn't possibly like her. the audience and bystanders obviously see he does like her, but as she is pretty clueless (in certain areas) and has low self esteem, she just couldn't see it... so instead of having a suffocating one-sided love she wanted to escape all that and go accomplish something by herself.
well also, if you were to confess your feelings for the first time, saying it in person would be more appropriate than merely a phone call.el_canuck wrote:The funny thing about K & J Dramas, all through the drama when someone is about to say something important, the cell phone rings. The cell phone has become a major part of life and the dramas. BUT, when someone is leaving or "flying out", then one of the stars is running to the airport instead of just using the cell phone. Cell phones are just not as dramatic as running through an airport.
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She could've told him that she's in love with him.crazypilovee wrote:ep 10 was so heart wrenching!! it is kinda lame for natsui to stop all contact w/ toru, but i can sympathize with how she wanted to stop being so attached to him and end her painful "unrequited" love. it seemed like she felt he was too good for her and wouldn't possibly like her. the audience and bystanders obviously see he does like her, but as she is pretty clueless (in certain areas) and has low self esteem, she just couldn't see it... so instead of having a suffocating one-sided love she wanted to escape all that and go accomplish something by herself.
You can still use the phone to tell the other person not to leave because something super urgent and to wait at the airport.el_canuck wrote:well also, if you were to confess your feelings for the first time, saying it in person would be more appropriate than merely a phone call.
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