[Discussion] Hana Yori Dango (Meteor Garden Manga) jdrama
Re: Sad Love Story?
Not sure if this is under spoiler. Rui did eventually got together with Shizuka in the ending. **She came back to Japan for him, obviously that shows she called off her engagment with the French guy. Rui has always loves Shizuka, he only admires Makino. I don't think he ever loves Makino like the way Dom only loves Makino.pankanshe wrote:Has anyone thought that this drama is a "sad love story" for Rui? The other F4 guys all ends up with a girl in the end except for Rui (or Lei). Rui was not able to capture Shizuka's or Makino's heart... never saw it this way till recently. Rui was always a lonely character.... and stayed lonely. Any other comments on this?
The only couple I feel sad for was Makino and Dom because they parted with each other. Also, you never know if there is a 2nd Season or a special soon. That's why I feel like this is their (Dom and Makino's) ending to their LOVE STORY in HYD drama.
I believe the special won't even come out until 2-3 months later like Gokusen.
THANK to those that commented on my wallpaper. I was supposed to make the wallpaper more graphical, but in the end I don't want to make the picture too BUSY and MESSY. So, the SIMPLE the BETTER because I LOVE HOW that scene came out with the sunset and the airplane and THEM of course.
Also, thanks for explaining the ratings to me because I only know how Chinese and Korean dramas ratings works.
22.4 for the rating in the last ep in HYD is like a 34.5 in Chinese HK drama rating then???
That is so GOOD!!
Also, thanks for explaining the ratings to me because I only know how Chinese and Korean dramas ratings works.
22.4 for the rating in the last ep in HYD is like a 34.5 in Chinese HK drama rating then???
That is so GOOD!!
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Re: Sad Love Story?
Hi!pankanshe wrote:Has anyone thought that this drama is a "sad love story" for Rui? The other F4 guys all ends up with a girl in the end except for Rui (or Lei). Rui was not able to capture Shizuka's or Makino's heart... never saw it this way till recently. Rui was always a lonely character.... and stayed lonely. Any other comments on this?
I don't know what adaptation of Handan you are talking
So well..about in HYD j-Drama
but for Soujiro and Akira too...
But about "Lonely"
O_O I write too much....
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....I really don't know what to think about this last episode!
On one hand, I thought it was REALLY cute and sweet (if not a tad bit on the cheesy side). On the other hand, there were some parts that I thought were sort of...strange. For example:
So I guess you could say I'm in between really loving the end and "meh, it was okay." I have enjoyed this drama SO MUCH! <3 It's sad to see it over, but I'm optimistic about the special and possibly a second season!
On one hand, I thought it was REALLY cute and sweet (if not a tad bit on the cheesy side). On the other hand, there were some parts that I thought were sort of...strange. For example:
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Really... Too Short... >_<Souriance wrote:Tell me that there is a special !!!
I was deeply touched by the last episode...
No way it's so short
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I reallyyyyyy do hope there is a special
This is one of the most enjoyable dramas I have ever watched. None of the episodes has dragged,IMO. It was spontaneous and beautiful.
I wubbbb it so much
From Kindaichi, Momo, Sawada, and now to Domyouji-sama...Jun has grown up to be a really fine young actor. I'll be looking forward to his future dramas.
And oh yah, Inoue Mao is my new hero.
This is one of the most enjoyable dramas I have ever watched. None of the episodes has dragged,IMO. It was spontaneous and beautiful.
I wubbbb it so much
From Kindaichi, Momo, Sawada, and now to Domyouji-sama...Jun has grown up to be a really fine young actor. I'll be looking forward to his future dramas.
And oh yah, Inoue Mao is my new hero.
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Sister: Shizuka looks like a man huhgodmode wrote:Am i the only one who thinks Shizuka looks kind of...ugly?
Me: OMG, she does look like a man! (Real opinion: What the hell? I think she's gorgeous)
Sister: No! I said , She looks so BEAUTIFUL( ok, I swear "man" and "beautiful" sound the same in our dialect, or u could say I have bad ears )
Me: What'ya talking about? Of course, I said beautiful.
Anyway, after that incident, I started to think Shizuka does look like a man who went under the knife
But I think she was pretty on those huge posters. She reminds me of J-Lo on those pics.
OmG!!! It's Finished!!
I reckon dat HYD is a little to short.... Is it because it's a J-Drama... Dunno why, but most J-Drama dat I watched are less than 15.... Some may be good... but Hana Yori Dango should be longer!!
The relationship in HYD is too hurried and it leave a less deeper impression to the to me... If it is longer by 6 episodes then It will be much" better!! SO I'M VERY VERY VERY MuCH Hoping for a special or even Hana Yori Dango 2.... As Long as it will not be as cheesy as Meteor Garden 2... Please NOT!!!
The Finale was quite surprising because It's very very different compare to Meteor Garden loL.... 'n I haven't watch the anime.... well it's just weird cuz
Tsukasa had to leave and shizuka return is just not.....Rite....
It's very surprisen
But Overall I like the story and the feel very much!!
Waiting for more of MatsuJun and Oguri Shun in another drama together....
I reckon dat HYD is a little to short.... Is it because it's a J-Drama... Dunno why, but most J-Drama dat I watched are less than 15.... Some may be good... but Hana Yori Dango should be longer!!
The relationship in HYD is too hurried and it leave a less deeper impression to the to me... If it is longer by 6 episodes then It will be much" better!! SO I'M VERY VERY VERY MuCH Hoping for a special or even Hana Yori Dango 2.... As Long as it will not be as cheesy as Meteor Garden 2... Please NOT!!!
The Finale was quite surprising because It's very very different compare to Meteor Garden loL.... 'n I haven't watch the anime.... well it's just weird cuz
Tsukasa had to leave and shizuka return is just not.....Rite....
It's very surprisen
But Overall I like the story and the feel very much!!
Waiting for more of MatsuJun and Oguri Shun in another drama together....
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You guys should also read the manga as both dramas did follow [to an extend] the events in the manga... Please do not read the spoiler if you have not finished reading the manga.. as it might ruin it or you... don't blame me.....
I know Kathleen! I shouldn't write this, but after reading so many posts.. I just feel like I need to say it.
On one hand, I'm definitely rooting for a second season. I'm just hoping they stay true to the manga, as in get into the other events that were missed with more depth. I'm also hoping that they will have the same casts as the main cast and Nanako [as Tsubaki] have definitely grown on me.
I think I've read in another post somewhere here that Kamio-sensei was thinking of picking up the Hana Yori Dango and writing a continuation of it. A second season with what Kamio-sensei writes would be great.. but that might mean a longer wait for a second season of HYD.. maybe that idea isn't so great afterall.. haha.. Along with everyone else here, I don't want to wait long for a second season
On one hand, I'm definitely rooting for a second season. I'm just hoping they stay true to the manga, as in get into the other events that were missed with more depth. I'm also hoping that they will have the same casts as the main cast and Nanako [as Tsubaki] have definitely grown on me.
I think I've read in another post somewhere here that Kamio-sensei was thinking of picking up the Hana Yori Dango and writing a continuation of it. A second season with what Kamio-sensei writes would be great.. but that might mean a longer wait for a second season of HYD.. maybe that idea isn't so great afterall.. haha.. Along with everyone else here, I don't want to wait long for a second season
i didnt say that...some1 changed my saying..makino_sanbr wrote:meme104 wrote:joori wrote:
Well, in one of the interviews they mention that there will be a second season.
Can't wait
REALLY??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which one??????
OMG please tell me...
Don't give me fake holpe!!!!! I just too evil!!!!
i was asking if any1 knows if there will be a second season..
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Joori oh.. its ok.. but everybody woulb be happy if was true... ^____^
but for me HYD Drama is another level...
About the end...
And that is why everybody are so excited to see what Yoko kamio will show to us next year, when she continue HYD manga
And me, and my sister also cried like was the end of the world...
I don't know... i really like MG because i could see my favorite manga as real persons...inutikidude wrote:I thought Meteor Garden was a bit better than Hana Yori Dango. Must be cuz it was wayyyy longer -_-;. The thing i really really liked about Hana Yori Dango was the ending. Like hmm_yeh said
but for me HYD Drama is another level...
About the end...
And me, and my sister also cried like was the end of the world...
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Someone was in another HYD thread.. and talk about where was this thread....
I was so curious to count how many threads HYD has...
so this is my list
HYD has on D-Addicts Forum Index -> Japanese Entertainment
1-[Discussion] Hana Yori Dango (Meteor Garden Manga) jdrama
2-Hana Yori Dango VS Meteor Garden
3-Doumyouji Tsukasa vs Hanazawa Rui
4-TO ALL HANA YORI DANGO FANS
5-HANA YORI DANGO - FREE STREAMING
6-[HYD]Doumyouji's ringtone
7- jun matsumoto vs shun oguri
8-Moved: Hana Yori Dango Live Action OST
9-How Much You Like HYD?????
10-Moved: Hana Yori Dango Special feat. HG Razer Ramon! (In 1 hour!!)
11-Hana yori dango movie
And other that are related to HYD like:
Is it true that Matsuda Shota is Matsuda Ryuhei's brother?
If you don't count other foruns here in D-addicts like
D-Addicts Forum Index -> Subtitles
Hana Yori Dango [Eng Subs] (1-9 Complete) ( 158 pages)
Hana Yori Dango (Ohsama no Buranchi 11-19-05 & 10-15-05)
Hana Yori Dango [Thai Subs] (Ep 1-6)
Hana Yori Dango [Arabic sub] (Ep1)
Hana Yori Dango [Portuguese Subs]
And we are not talking about Meteor Garden...
That is HYD too...
( and of course that i don't look everything... )
Amazing, huh?
O_O
I was so curious to count how many threads HYD has...
so this is my list
HYD has on D-Addicts Forum Index -> Japanese Entertainment
1-[Discussion] Hana Yori Dango (Meteor Garden Manga) jdrama
2-Hana Yori Dango VS Meteor Garden
3-Doumyouji Tsukasa vs Hanazawa Rui
4-TO ALL HANA YORI DANGO FANS
5-HANA YORI DANGO - FREE STREAMING
6-[HYD]Doumyouji's ringtone
7- jun matsumoto vs shun oguri
8-Moved: Hana Yori Dango Live Action OST
9-How Much You Like HYD?????
10-Moved: Hana Yori Dango Special feat. HG Razer Ramon! (In 1 hour!!)
11-Hana yori dango movie
And other that are related to HYD like:
Is it true that Matsuda Shota is Matsuda Ryuhei's brother?
If you don't count other foruns here in D-addicts like
D-Addicts Forum Index -> Subtitles
Hana Yori Dango [Eng Subs] (1-9 Complete) ( 158 pages)
Hana Yori Dango (Ohsama no Buranchi 11-19-05 & 10-15-05)
Hana Yori Dango [Thai Subs] (Ep 1-6)
Hana Yori Dango [Arabic sub] (Ep1)
Hana Yori Dango [Portuguese Subs]
And we are not talking about Meteor Garden...
That is HYD too...
( and of course that i don't look everything... )
Amazing, huh?
O_O
Tsukushi
Yeah! HYD was great! I personally didn't see the original manga or anime and MG, but had a rough idea of the storyline. But the jdrama HYD was great! It's a mere 9 episodes but it actually doesn't seem to be rushed or lacking in character development.
Luv the acting, and I think Oguri Shun as Hanazawa Rui is super cool! Love Inoue Mao as Makino Tsukushi too!
Anyway, I have no nihongo background, so can someone please tell me either the Hiragana or romaji of Tsukushi's favourite phrase in the drama? She always says "No way" which sounds like "arienai itsuno" or something like that. lolz
Luv the acting, and I think Oguri Shun as Hanazawa Rui is super cool! Love Inoue Mao as Makino Tsukushi too!
Anyway, I have no nihongo background, so can someone please tell me either the Hiragana or romaji of Tsukushi's favourite phrase in the drama? She always says "No way" which sounds like "arienai itsuno" or something like that. lolz
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I noticed someone commenting on our swearing...[Nya!Fansubs that is]...Our translator prefers to leave the swearing in, rather than softening the language. While there may not be a direct swearing equivalent in Japanese, it can still be felt. We kinna also think that since HYD was shown at 10pm in Japan, and there was almost a rape in the first episode.. its not exactly PG. That's just our personal form of expression, and ya'll are free to simply ignore us.
I can't speak for all but I would say "Keep it as close to the real thing as possible"meiohsetsuna wrote:I noticed someone commenting on our swearing...[Nya!Fansubs that is]...Our translator prefers to leave the swearing in, rather than softening the language. While there may not be a direct swearing equivalent in Japanese, it can still be felt. We kinna also think that since HYD was shown at 10pm in Japan, and there was almost a rape in the first episode.. its not exactly PG. That's just our personal form of expression, and ya'll are free to simply ignore us.
After all, many are using softsubs to learn the language and it wouldn't be true to the script, nor the language if it was censored as such.
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I agreeeeeeee. But--hmm_yeh wrote:You guys should also read the manga as both dramas did follow [to an extend] the events in the manga... Please do not read the spoiler if you have not finished reading the manga.. as it might ruin it or you... don't blame me.....
Yeah, it's been confirmed, and should be out sometime next year, I think! I personally don't mind, as I love the manga and am just plain glad that there's going to be a sequel (when I thought there was never going to be one!). However, with the amount of things they have left out of the dorama, they could definitely make out a new season with what's left. :3 Or maybe be in contact with the mangaka or... something... LOL!hmm_yeh wrote: I think I've read in another post somewhere here that Kamio-sensei was thinking of picking up the Hana Yori Dango and writing a continuation of it. A second season with what Kamio-sensei writes would be great.. but that might mean a longer wait for a second season of HYD.. maybe that idea isn't so great afterall.. haha.. Along with everyone else here, I don't want to wait long for a second season
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Whoo! Finally finished the last episode. After the mild suckage that was Episode 8, this was easily the best episode of the series. Wow. Thoughts . . .
I felt the first half of the season was significantly stronger than the 2nd half. Too much of the 2nd half seemed a struggle to bridge the storyline from the triangle to the Makino vs Mom showdown. And part of me suspects that they had episode 9 all figured out and mostly written and storyboarded before they went on with the 2nd half of the season.
The finale was every bit what HYD deserved. Makino won. Love won. But there had to be a price, a harsh price, and the bittersweet quality of this ending speaks to what HYD has always been about. And for all of the fantasy of this story, reality finally descended.
And, in shooting this, they captured everything that young love should be about. The honesty. The empathy. The courage against all odds. The tragic certaintity. This could be the last moment we have together, and that all beautiful moments with the one you love should mean this much, should be bathed with such kind of sunset, should be two people screaming against each other, and then for each other, and then requitted.
Love should mean this much.
The finale was every bit what HYD deserved. Makino won. Love won. But there had to be a price, a harsh price, and the bittersweet quality of this ending speaks to what HYD has always been about. And for all of the fantasy of this story, reality finally descended.
Love should mean this much.
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And isn't this the largest drama thread in the J-Drama section too? Yikes!Amazing, huh?
Definitely. They could just . . ., with the amount of things they have left out of the dorama, they could definitely make out a new season with what's left. :3 Or maybe be in contact with the mangaka or... something
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slippyepic As always your post is beautiful... you do make beautiful texts...
I remember all over again...
**I will watch again the last ep**
I agree with you in everything...
Wow.. is the longest thread too? Cool isn't?
I already waiting...
wonderful pics..
Just make me want to cry again... >_<
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I remember all over again...
**I will watch again the last ep**
I agree with you in everything...
Wow.. is the longest thread too? Cool isn't?
I'm so happy with this manga news... \o/raspberihevn wrote:Spoilers for ending
I already waiting...
wonderful pics..
Just make me want to cry again... >_<
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Great news from Jun jdorma forum:
"Matsujun will be in another movie next autumn. Its based on a comics about the forbidden love between 2 siblings who are twins. Its called "Boku wa imoto ni koi wo suru". "
Source: http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20051 ... 18-spn-ent
****Not sure if this is confirmed. I don't mind he's on the big screen again. Hopefully the girl in this movie isn't as old as the lady in Tokyo Tower. I want to see a younger love story!!
I guess there ain't a 2nd season of HYD soon!! It will probably take 3 months to film this movie if Jun decided to starred in it.
"Matsujun will be in another movie next autumn. Its based on a comics about the forbidden love between 2 siblings who are twins. Its called "Boku wa imoto ni koi wo suru". "
Source: http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20051 ... 18-spn-ent
****Not sure if this is confirmed. I don't mind he's on the big screen again. Hopefully the girl in this movie isn't as old as the lady in Tokyo Tower. I want to see a younger love story!!
I guess there ain't a 2nd season of HYD soon!! It will probably take 3 months to film this movie if Jun decided to starred in it.
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I don't think it would be realistic to start something up. If they want to do a special, that'll be shot sometime in the spring. And because they chose the ending that they did, it would probably more sense to see what Kamio does with the sequel before committing.****Not sure if this is confirmed. I don't mind he's on the big screen again. Hopefully the girl in this movie isn't as old as the lady in Tokyo Tower. I want to see a younger love story!!
I guess there ain't a 2nd season of HYD soon!! It will probably take 3 months to film this movie if Jun decided to film it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kamio just ends up contributing a basic storyline for the 2nd season, and that they do a "simulcast" between the manga and the live-action show.
Question to all:
Which was your favorite subtitled version? I'm kinda looking to put together a "pernament" edition of HYD, but I've only seen Furransu's translation. Which was closest to what was said?
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slippyepic, your posts about HYD and the dorama are pretty much what I felt myself.
Furransu's is pretty good, actually -- I now wish I had saved the raws instead of deleting them after making the caps and just archiving the hardsubs on CDs. (I might end up downloading the others again, meep.) There were times when I liked the hardsubs (SARS) better, that it made more sense, but there were also times that the soft subs were better (like the time when Tsukushi insulted Tsukasa's hair -- the hardsubs, I think, said she was talking about his temper/impatience, but Furransu's made fun of his curly-curly hair (haha) which is *VERY* Hanadan, IMO).slippyepic wrote:Which was your favorite subtitled version? I'm kinda looking to put together a "pernament" edition of HYD, but I've only seen Furransu's translation. Which was closest to what was said?
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Thanks angelamaria!
Found this over at the jdorama board. Fybabe translated a fan letter from a widow who was really touched by Jun's performance. I'd have posted it earlier, but I couldn't stop laughing at Tricky's Aunt Jemima posts!
http://jdorama.com/viewtopic.7658.2640.htm
Found this over at the jdorama board. Fybabe translated a fan letter from a widow who was really touched by Jun's performance. I'd have posted it earlier, but I couldn't stop laughing at Tricky's Aunt Jemima posts!
http://jdorama.com/viewtopic.7658.2640.htm
Thanks from the bottom of my heart. This drama brought back the warmth of human feelings to my cold heart.
My husband died last christmas eve, and since then, I've lived each day without a feeling of touch in my heart and of course, nowhere close to a flutter. While recalling the process where my son and I were being healed by Jun throughout the drama... I became aware that I was being attracted to Jun's charm.
In the drama, his happy face, lonely face, angry face, gentle face, no matter what face, is great.
If it's not for Jun, this won't be such a great series, right?
"Pleasure is a possibility." My son is also becoming happier. We started searching for all Jun's past shows. We started to like Arashi very much. As mother and son, we share the pleasure of buying their cds and dvds together. Who knows, my husband in heaven would be surprised... but, I'm truely thankful to Jun kun.
Thank you for for giving me back the happiness and joy of being touched and all the wonderful sensations that was once lost to me. From now on, I will always love/support Jun, Arashi.
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i actually liked the drama a little better than the manga. Tsukasa and Tsukushi's characters really pissed me off in the manga.
in the manga, Tsukasa isnt really likeable at all until way later in the volumes. and Tsukushi is incredibly naive and a doormat, that seems to forget about almost being raped, tortured and bullied. (whats with shoujo manga women being so damn indecisive anyway?). I was honestly hoping Tsukushi would pick Rui in the end.
i though Jun Matusmoto's Tsukasa was a lot better. and although they didnt really have time to develop secondary characters, i thought the condensed version was written quite well.
in the manga, Tsukasa isnt really likeable at all until way later in the volumes. and Tsukushi is incredibly naive and a doormat, that seems to forget about almost being raped, tortured and bullied. (whats with shoujo manga women being so damn indecisive anyway?). I was honestly hoping Tsukushi would pick Rui in the end.
i though Jun Matusmoto's Tsukasa was a lot better. and although they didnt really have time to develop secondary characters, i thought the condensed version was written quite well.
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Actually, for me, I was pissed with Tsukushi more because she was waffling between Tsukasa and Rui more than "forgetting" about being almost raped/tortured/bullied. I think the manga is really not just your ordinary plain love story but more of both Tsukasa and Tsukushi's maturing.
*is at work, so might not be making much sense*
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Berserk, eh? Nice.
That being said, I did love how Makino was often deeply moved by both of these guys. Yesterday, I gave my younger cousin my HYD anime set. While watching a little of it with her, it really surprised me, having now watched the J-drama, to see how much both guys meant to Makino and her survival in that environment in the original story. We're not just talking about boy-girl love; it is as if both guys were lifelines to her sanity. What's missing in the J-drama is how Makino's indecisiveness was spurned from her insecurities and sensitivity, even gratitude, toward both men.
I kinda have to block out the rape thingie because, in real life, I would never, EVER forgive a guy for doing that to me. But, at least for me, the whole Sakurako storyline really changed my feelings toward Donmyoji. I'm just glad the J-drama watered the rape storyline down because there would have been no way to redeem Donmyoji in such a short season. Actually I have much stronger feelings about the Shigeru/hot spring storyline; it never quite sat well with me.
Mao-chan and I are on the same page with Rui, though. Domnyoji is great, but I actually liked Rui more for most of the manga. Heh heh, Kathleen will like that. The Makino-Rui-Shizuka storyline was what kept me interested in HYD until Rui took off.
I go through periods of frustration with Makino myself. She may have fists of legend, but she could be such a "Keitaro" (Love Hina ) when it comes to her boy harem.I actually liked the drama a little better than the manga. Tsukasa and Tsukushi's characters really pissed me off in the manga.
That being said, I did love how Makino was often deeply moved by both of these guys. Yesterday, I gave my younger cousin my HYD anime set. While watching a little of it with her, it really surprised me, having now watched the J-drama, to see how much both guys meant to Makino and her survival in that environment in the original story. We're not just talking about boy-girl love; it is as if both guys were lifelines to her sanity. What's missing in the J-drama is how Makino's indecisiveness was spurned from her insecurities and sensitivity, even gratitude, toward both men.
For me, it was kinda cruel how Kamio wrote that first date between Rui and Makino. I mean, it was Blind Date uncomfortable. After that, there was just no way I could see them together.I was honestly hoping Tsukushi would pick Rui in the end.
Mao-chan and I are on the same page with Rui, though. Domnyoji is great, but I actually liked Rui more for most of the manga. Heh heh, Kathleen will like that. The Makino-Rui-Shizuka storyline was what kept me interested in HYD until Rui took off.
The Saturn necklace says it all. In fact, if you follow astrology, M+D actually makes a lot of, erm, "astrological sense" . . .I think the manga is really not just your ordinary plain love story but more of both Tsukasa and Tsukushi's maturing.
More news on Jun's NEW MOVIE:
Source: Written by fybabe 12/27/05 from http://www.livejournal.com/users/fybabe/
(This is again translated from an online chinese translater... but it's pretty accurate la...)
"Matsumoto Jun movie 'My Sister' forbidden love
Matsumoto Jun, 22, from popular band Arashi, will be starring in the movie as the lead role for the first time. This is a live action movie based on the popular shoujo manga 'I'm in love with my sis' by 青木琴美 sensei. It's a challenging role in which he would be in forbidden love with his twin sister. Again we will yet witness his sexy prowess that we saw in 'Tokyo tower'.
the story originates from the popular shoujo manga with 5 million books sold. The manga has a nickname 'My Sis', which is most popular among secondary school girls.
Matsumoto is now the hot topic after his depiction of the unique character, domyoji tsukasa, from tbs popular drama series 'hyd'. this drama, with an average rating of 19.7% (in the 关东 area,video research), is now the leading drama series of the oct-dec period.
the cast should feel, 'it is great being able to be part of a unique and popular cast of characters'. it's gonna be exciting to watch how painful yet beautiful the tense relationship between the brother and sister develops.
the mangaka, aoki sensei, has always noticed (more like adored i think ^^) matsumoto. in fact, the lead character in her other work is named 'jun'! "Suggoi desyo! Matsujun desyo!! Matsujun! I was so excited i nearly fainted!" lol...
Just like the controversial title, the story is about 18yr old older twin bro falling in love with twin sis. the story is also riveting with it's explicit sexual depictions. the movie live action and casting work started at the end of summer this year.
Toshiba Entertainment and Shogakukan Inc. will be producing this movie. 安藤庹 of the movie, 'blue', in 2003, who won great acclaim at the moscow film festivals, will be supervising this project.
In the Shogakukan Inc. 'shoujo manga' editorial staff where the original is serialized, 'it's a painful project as it's a sandwich between reason and passion'.
"matsumoto san leaves a strong impression with his expressive sharp eyes, which could depict very fine details. He could act contradicting roles" was the reason why he was chosen. they are still casting for his sister. will be 'crank in' (starting work) next spring. predicting to launch next autumn.
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sheesh... i think he's stuck with the manga hero halo for life... i hope not...
but the character sounds challenging. yay!!!!!!
jun will make it tense and exciting to watch... sounds like another complex character ne!!!
i'm gonna be so proud of him again!!
heart heart heart heart.................
Source: Written by fybabe 12/27/05 from http://www.livejournal.com/users/fybabe/
(This is again translated from an online chinese translater... but it's pretty accurate la...)
"Matsumoto Jun movie 'My Sister' forbidden love
Matsumoto Jun, 22, from popular band Arashi, will be starring in the movie as the lead role for the first time. This is a live action movie based on the popular shoujo manga 'I'm in love with my sis' by 青木琴美 sensei. It's a challenging role in which he would be in forbidden love with his twin sister. Again we will yet witness his sexy prowess that we saw in 'Tokyo tower'.
the story originates from the popular shoujo manga with 5 million books sold. The manga has a nickname 'My Sis', which is most popular among secondary school girls.
Matsumoto is now the hot topic after his depiction of the unique character, domyoji tsukasa, from tbs popular drama series 'hyd'. this drama, with an average rating of 19.7% (in the 关东 area,video research), is now the leading drama series of the oct-dec period.
the cast should feel, 'it is great being able to be part of a unique and popular cast of characters'. it's gonna be exciting to watch how painful yet beautiful the tense relationship between the brother and sister develops.
the mangaka, aoki sensei, has always noticed (more like adored i think ^^) matsumoto. in fact, the lead character in her other work is named 'jun'! "Suggoi desyo! Matsujun desyo!! Matsujun! I was so excited i nearly fainted!" lol...
Just like the controversial title, the story is about 18yr old older twin bro falling in love with twin sis. the story is also riveting with it's explicit sexual depictions. the movie live action and casting work started at the end of summer this year.
Toshiba Entertainment and Shogakukan Inc. will be producing this movie. 安藤庹 of the movie, 'blue', in 2003, who won great acclaim at the moscow film festivals, will be supervising this project.
In the Shogakukan Inc. 'shoujo manga' editorial staff where the original is serialized, 'it's a painful project as it's a sandwich between reason and passion'.
"matsumoto san leaves a strong impression with his expressive sharp eyes, which could depict very fine details. He could act contradicting roles" was the reason why he was chosen. they are still casting for his sister. will be 'crank in' (starting work) next spring. predicting to launch next autumn.
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sheesh... i think he's stuck with the manga hero halo for life... i hope not...
but the character sounds challenging. yay!!!!!!
jun will make it tense and exciting to watch... sounds like another complex character ne!!!
i'm gonna be so proud of him again!!
heart heart heart heart.................
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Jun falls in love with his twin sister? You mean, an actress is out there who has have jeri-curls, wear Michael Jackson's clothes from the Thriller tour, and punches like a sissy? Ewwww!!!!
Yup. Gotta love incest shoujo. Inspirational. And I bet THAT kissing scene will have lots of, uhm, "backlighting" too.
Yup. Gotta love incest shoujo. Inspirational. And I bet THAT kissing scene will have lots of, uhm, "backlighting" too.
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I always have been a Domyouji fan...slippyepic wrote: Domnyoji is great, but I actually liked Rui more for most of the manga.
For me he love her so much...
I never... ever.. liked Rui X Makino.
to tell the true.. i starded read HYD manga... and i stopped at vol 01 cap-4...
Just because i was think that Makino will be with Rui...
"Just another cinderella story.. with a crying in love girl...
and a cool, cold, handsome guy..."
but after some time i download wrong vol.22
And i saw..
I just read all HYD manga.. because they are Makino and Domyouji...
They are different...
And.. God.. how this astrology thing make sense to HYD...
It's really this... O_O
slippyepic wrote:
The Saturn necklace says it all. In fact, if you follow astrology, M+D actually makes a lot of, erm, "astrological sense" . . .
M+D actually REALLY
makes a lot of "astrological sense" . . .
lol jeri-curl for girls? is that even legal?slippyepic wrote:Jun falls in love with his twin sister? You mean, an actress is out there who has have jeri-curls, wear Michael Jackson's clothes from the Thriller tour, and punches like a sissy? Ewwww!!!!
Yup. Gotta love incest shoujo. Inspirational. And I bet THAT kissing scene will have lots of, uhm, "backlighting" too.
on a more serious note...ewww....twincest? why are the japanese so fascinated with this brotherly-sisterly, etc incestuos love?
I wouldn't have a problem if it was a story like Marmalde Boy or SOS. But I don't think the twincest is only a part of Japanese culture, other countries do it too. Taboo and icky..Em_mie wrote: on a more serious note...ewww....twincest? why are the japanese so fascinated with this brotherly-sisterly, etc incestuos love?
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Me too. It's not something you'd ever accept IRL; just plain hitting a girl IMO is something I don't think I can forgive, much more that. But I suppose it's looser when it comes to things on-screen -- you have to heighten things a bit, you know? Exaggerate a little.slippyepic wrote:I kinda have to block out the rape thingie because, in real life, I would never, EVER forgive a guy for doing that to me. But, at least for me, the whole Sakurako storyline really changed my feelings toward Donmyoji. I'm just glad the J-drama watered the rape storyline down because there would have been no way to redeem Donmyoji in such a short season. Actually I have much stronger feelings about the Shigeru/hot spring storyline; it never quite sat well with me.
Too true. Frankly at first I couldn't decide, but Domyoji soon kind of really made me go all "awww".slippyepic wrote:For me, it was kinda cruel how Kamio wrote that first date between Rui and Makino. I mean, it was Blind Date uncomfortable. After that, there was just no way I could see them together.
This is absolutely fantastic, slippyepic. I'm rather interested a bit in astrology, but I didn't know that about Capricorn and Aquarius (two signs that are rather alien to my natal chart, so I've never really read about them at all). That's very very interesting, and quite insightful, too!slippyepic wrote:The Saturn necklace says it all. In fact, if you follow astrology, M+D actually makes a lot of, erm, "astrological sense" . . .I think the manga is really not just your ordinary plain love story but more of both Tsukasa and Tsukushi's maturing.
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I'm not sure if it was intentional, but Kamio's grasp of astrology was pretty good.I'm rather interested a bit in astrology, but I didn't know that about Capricorn and Aquarius (two signs that are rather alien to my natal chart, so I've never really read about them at all).
Oh, no question, HYD is a much better story for having paired up Makino with Donmyoji. (Hmm, should that be a spoiler? I mean, it's kinda obvious a few epis in who the show wants to pair up . . .) Makino and Donmyoji are the Liz and Darcy (well, except they're both really crappy at saying what they mean) of shoujo, that rare couple that wins our love by their squabbling and dualing, by their being very real. The chemistry between them is so perfectly realized that Kamio could just throw in crazy storyline after storyline, and let the chips fall where they may.Just another cinderella story.. with a crying in love girl...
and a cool, cold, handsome guy..."
I only wished Kamio made a stronger case for Rui and Makino. It's rare for me to see a shoujo triangle where it really felt up in the air. I guess I really like Rui for some reason. He's often characterized as more sensitive than Donmyoji; but the truth is, the dude's every bit as chauvinistic and arrogant as his best friend. The only difference is that, where Donmyoji acts out with his fists, Rui is completely passive aggressive. He doesn't participate in a relationship at all. I mean, the guy's a really pretty pet rock. I find that kinda cool!
Jun falls in love with June. Prince falls in love with his/her lovely lady lumps. Awe-some!I wouldn't have a problem if it was a story like Marmalde Boy or SOS. But I don't think the twincest is only a part of Japanese culture, other countries do it too. Taboo and icky..
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O.O Pretty interesting! Yes, it does seem like her grasp is pretty good. The fourth is... VERY INTERESTING.slippyepic wrote:I'm not sure if it was intentional, but Kamio's grasp of astrology was pretty good.I'm rather interested a bit in astrology, but I didn't know that about Capricorn and Aquarius (two signs that are rather alien to my natal chart, so I've never really read about them at all).
I never really fully realized that before. O.O;; I love Liz and Darcy (they're my non-A/M OTP), so... wow, makes complete sense. Hehe!slippyepic wrote: Makino and Donmyoji are the Liz and Darcy (well, except they're both really crappy at saying what they mean) of shoujo, that rare couple that wins our love by their squabbling and dualing, by their being very real.
Your post about the ending was absolutely sweet.
i just finished watching HYD and i must say i really liked it.... altho im also with everyone who is wishing for a second season.... i really hope it happens... coz the ending was incomplete and very open ended...
now i think its time to read the manga and perhaps check out Meteor Garden.... that will be my gateway to Chinese Drama... a line i have yet to cross as well as Korean Drama...
the guys from F4 are just soo damn coool... errr is that normal for a guy to say???...
now i think its time to read the manga and perhaps check out Meteor Garden.... that will be my gateway to Chinese Drama... a line i have yet to cross as well as Korean Drama...
the guys from F4 are just soo damn coool... errr is that normal for a guy to say???...
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This is really interest...slippyepic wrote: I'm not sure if it was intentional, but Kamio's grasp of astrology was pretty good.
I was searching... and Next year will be a Year in astrology Rule By Saturn... ^_^
The year of that responsibilities... O_O
Amazing, huh?
Yep! Yep!Oh, no question, HYD is a much better story for having paired up Makino with Donmyoji.Just another cinderella story.. with a crying in love girl...
and a cool, cold, handsome guy..."
... The chemistry between them is so perfectly realized that Kamio could just throw in crazy storyline after storyline, and let the chips fall where they may.
In the end what i really thought about RuiXMakinoI only wished Kamio made a stronger case for Rui and Makino. It's rare for me to see a shoujo triangle where it really felt up in the air. I guess I really like Rui for some reason. He's often characterized as more sensitive than Donmyoji; but the truth is, the dude's every bit as chauvinistic and arrogant as his best friend. The only difference is that, where Donmyoji acts out with his fists, Rui is completely passive aggressive. He doesn't participate in a relationship at all. I mean, the guy's a really pretty pet rock. I find that kinda cool!
The end of J-Drama show exactly
You are making me Cry....
*I'm just a cry baby...
"Blue Mind"...I just love that song too...
And if i could i would like to thanks Yamashita Kousuke... beautiful songs...
Yes.. really i wish that i could see...
make that journey with them...
That is so sad!!!!
I don't want to let them go!!!!!! >_<
*acting just like a kid.
Really beautiful!!!
Did you write something? A book... poetry... Fanfics?
Can i read?
I think that is cool a guy say this...cmge wrote:the guys from F4 are just soo damn coool... errr is that normal for a guy to say???...
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Yup. It is good to be king.the guys from F4 are just soo damn coool... errr is that normal for a guy to say???...
Adapting HYD is always kind of problematic, I think, because the material dates back to the early 90s, when the Japanese economy was still doing well, and that era's fashion and zeitgeist was still forming out of the late 80s. I mean, I half expect the F4 to have a closet full of acid-washed jeans! Donmyoji's psuedo-pompadour is SO 1988!!
The show did a pretty good job translating 90210 privilege to "Da OC" choices. Unfortunately, the fashion seemed to be stuck between here and there, and certainly Jun's jeri-curls and tragic taste for fuscia(!) made him look like such a big time dork. So, though the F4's power still seems out of place in this era, certainly the marginal financial circumstances of Makino's family, which gets played up again and again throughout the show, is spot on.
About Rui x Makino,
Writing poetry is kind of a hobby for me. I don't think I have any HYD poems anymore. It turns out that I did contribute a HYD haiku to a site, but the server crashed and ate up my leeeetle poem. Maybe I should write one?Did you write something? A book... poetry... Fanfics?
Okey-dokey. Time to restart my Mars viewing. I've covered about 12 episodes, and that one dude is REALLY creeping me out.
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I can't believe I'm seeing so many people gushing over this series. I've watched every episode and I'm sorry I really couldn't find myself liking the series. For one thing, Inoue Mao just simply had no charisma and her acting strikes me as really amateur. When I first saw the previews back in early October, I already had a feeling that her portrayal had too much of Tsukushi's tough side, but really none of her softer, funny, kinder, gentler side. In the show, she's just a tough girl who won't take crap from anyone for the most part. All she does is do the tough girl act. OK, so she's tough. There are tons of girls out there who won't take crap from anyone and can kick butt. But there is only one Makino Tsukushi. I don't think it's really Mao's fault entirely. If the show was allowed to go on longer, and we were able to see her character develop then maybe it wouldn't be so one-dimensional.
And I know the whole show is restricted by time constraints, but even Jun's performance I wasn't too impressed with. That one scene I remember, where Doumyoji saw Makino and Rui being all intimate in the stairwell, and he's just standing at the doorway all "cool" and "hurt." I'm sorry but at that scene, I just burst out laughing because it was such a stupid scene. I can totally imagine manga-Doumyoji doing that pose, but given how the TV doumyoji had been portrayed up to that point... it just looked and felt completely wrong.
And Mao + Jun really had no chemistry together either. OK maybe some, but that's just the natural chemistry that occurs between a nice looking boy and a nice looking girl. They were just going through the motions, I felt. The bickering that goes on between Doumyoji and Makino didn't work at all. I think when the reader sees the two of them going at each other's throat, they are always cognizant of the fact that they love each other despite everything! So when we are watching them, it feels like we know something they don't, making it more special... but that requires us knowing more about their characters in the first place!!
I guess what I'm really getting at is that there is so much potential for this story, and they (as in the producers) just crapped it up by rushing through it. And I really doubt this whole first series can be redeemed by the sequel, if there will be a sequel. All the necessary preliminary character developments that were supposed to happen in the early parts of the story didn't happen so I can't imagine how someone watching it w/o any exposure to the manga could be moved to care for these characters.
And I know the whole show is restricted by time constraints, but even Jun's performance I wasn't too impressed with. That one scene I remember, where Doumyoji saw Makino and Rui being all intimate in the stairwell, and he's just standing at the doorway all "cool" and "hurt." I'm sorry but at that scene, I just burst out laughing because it was such a stupid scene. I can totally imagine manga-Doumyoji doing that pose, but given how the TV doumyoji had been portrayed up to that point... it just looked and felt completely wrong.
And Mao + Jun really had no chemistry together either. OK maybe some, but that's just the natural chemistry that occurs between a nice looking boy and a nice looking girl. They were just going through the motions, I felt. The bickering that goes on between Doumyoji and Makino didn't work at all. I think when the reader sees the two of them going at each other's throat, they are always cognizant of the fact that they love each other despite everything! So when we are watching them, it feels like we know something they don't, making it more special... but that requires us knowing more about their characters in the first place!!
I guess what I'm really getting at is that there is so much potential for this story, and they (as in the producers) just crapped it up by rushing through it. And I really doubt this whole first series can be redeemed by the sequel, if there will be a sequel. All the necessary preliminary character developments that were supposed to happen in the early parts of the story didn't happen so I can't imagine how someone watching it w/o any exposure to the manga could be moved to care for these characters.
I don't have the time to read all posts (completely), nor can I reply to them properly. Forgive me please.
Insestuous love: I'm actually a huge fan of Katharina von Bredow's novel that deals with brother and sister falling in love with each other (I looked up for the English title but apparently there isn't an English translation). Them having sex is a great issue of the story, yet not the major part and God knows not what fascinates me about it. It's more like the thing about two people truely caring for each other even though they know the world will never approve of their love. It's actually rather sad than sexy or anything.
That aside I think the nice side to it is that brother and sister usually know each other very well, so there's also the thing about the "unconditional love", like loving the other with all their flaws. I'd say it was icky if it was a parent / child relationship. Brother and sister relationships are rather tragic in my opinion.
Raping: I don't think you can call what he did raping therefore I don't see the big deal. As for him slapping her: She has kicked him in the face before and punched him countless times with her fist. Not saying I approve of what he did, I personally would prefer someone less aggressive for myself, too. But as for Tsukushi, she's not as thin-skinned as to complain about him slapping her, really. It's not like he totally got out of control and punched and kicked her, either.
Lastly, according to what moonlit wrote, I mostly agree. I wasn't too thrilled about the drama. I didn't feel the spark between the main characters as I did when I read the manga. It's true that the story just doesn't have quite its effect when everything's so rushed. I think I could somewhat enjoy it but it's definitely not like I'm totally hooked to it. Frankly spoken, there were parts when I really forced myself to continue watching, only because I knew from the manga how the story will turn out. If it wasn't for the manga I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it at all. I agree I would have had less prejudices from the beginning but eventually it was my high expectations that even kept me continuing to watch the show.
Gotta disagree about the acting though. There were only a few parts where I was kind of disappointed with Mao's acting (Jun's even less). I think everyone did the best of what the screenwriter and the producers decided them to be. It's mostly the story I'm having my problem with. Well, maybe some people's looks, too but that's another story...
Insestuous love: I'm actually a huge fan of Katharina von Bredow's novel that deals with brother and sister falling in love with each other (I looked up for the English title but apparently there isn't an English translation). Them having sex is a great issue of the story, yet not the major part and God knows not what fascinates me about it. It's more like the thing about two people truely caring for each other even though they know the world will never approve of their love. It's actually rather sad than sexy or anything.
That aside I think the nice side to it is that brother and sister usually know each other very well, so there's also the thing about the "unconditional love", like loving the other with all their flaws. I'd say it was icky if it was a parent / child relationship. Brother and sister relationships are rather tragic in my opinion.
Raping: I don't think you can call what he did raping therefore I don't see the big deal. As for him slapping her: She has kicked him in the face before and punched him countless times with her fist. Not saying I approve of what he did, I personally would prefer someone less aggressive for myself, too. But as for Tsukushi, she's not as thin-skinned as to complain about him slapping her, really. It's not like he totally got out of control and punched and kicked her, either.
Lastly, according to what moonlit wrote, I mostly agree. I wasn't too thrilled about the drama. I didn't feel the spark between the main characters as I did when I read the manga. It's true that the story just doesn't have quite its effect when everything's so rushed. I think I could somewhat enjoy it but it's definitely not like I'm totally hooked to it. Frankly spoken, there were parts when I really forced myself to continue watching, only because I knew from the manga how the story will turn out. If it wasn't for the manga I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it at all. I agree I would have had less prejudices from the beginning but eventually it was my high expectations that even kept me continuing to watch the show.
Gotta disagree about the acting though. There were only a few parts where I was kind of disappointed with Mao's acting (Jun's even less). I think everyone did the best of what the screenwriter and the producers decided them to be. It's mostly the story I'm having my problem with. Well, maybe some people's looks, too but that's another story...
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Sarah, we all know you're a die-hard Hanadan fan. But it's a matter of fact there are people who simply don't care much for the drama. If you're talking about the maths, just throw a look at the results of this thread's poll. It says that there were people who even adviced to "stay away". So maybe it was just 8 people out of 454. Keep in mind though there are also 13 people who wouldn't recommend it either and people out of the 202 who voted for "life altering" as I did and changed their mind after realizing it didn't turn out as well as expected. I'm far from counting myself to the last two groups of spectators but I just don't like the drama as much as at the beginning (and especially not as much as the manga which I adore) and this is why I personally cannot see how people without knowing the manga can actually enjoy it. Not saying there aren't such people. I just don't understand them. And I also maintain that the drama would be by far less popular if it wasn't for the manga (fans).
So this isn't something we can talk out since you or anyone won't be able to convince moonlit or me to change our taste by telling us how many people like the show. Just live with it please.
So this isn't something we can talk out since you or anyone won't be able to convince moonlit or me to change our taste by telling us how many people like the show. Just live with it please.
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Kathleen wrote:Sarah, we all know you're a die-hard Hanadan fan. But it's a matter of fact there are people who simply don't care much for the drama. If you're talking about the maths, just throw a look at the results of this thread's poll. It says that there were people who even adviced to "stay away". So maybe it was just 8 people out of 454. Keep in mind though there are also 13 people who wouldn't recommend it either and people out of the 202 who voted for "life altering" as I did and changed their mind after realizing it didn't turn out as well as expected. I'm far from counting myself to the last two groups of spectators but I just don't like the drama as much as at the beginning (and especially not as much as the manga which I adore) and this is why I personally cannot see how people without knowing the manga can actually enjoy it. Not saying there aren't such people. I just don't understand them. And I also maintain that the drama would be by far less popular if it wasn't for the manga (fans).
So this isn't something we can talk out since you or anyone won't be able to convince moonlit or me to change our taste by telling us how many people like the show. Just live with it please.
Well sorry, but i wasn't trying to convince anyone.
You say your opinion and i say my opinion.
I was talk about my experience with my webpage.. and how many people talked to me about get interesent in read HYD after the drama.
Because there is a lot of that.
Even if we can't understand.
But like i said, i don't expect to chance people mind...
Because everyone have they tastes...
I was only talking about what is my opinion.
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Generally, the J-drama drew positive reviews from viewers who hadn't read the manga or watched Meteor Garden, because
A) it ran a unusually high budget and expensive visual style for an idol drama
B) the storyline was much faster paced and much more loaded than the usual Asian drama. If you didn't like anything in particular, you could expect something new in 10 minutes.
C) fangirls lapping up Jun and Shun.
D) the principal characters were well acted. At times, it felt like they were deliberately playing to the audience, but I liked that aspect. Inoue Mao delivered a really strong comic performance, at times eerily "doing the manga" in her facial expressions and physical tics. Jun Matsumoto did a wonderful job avoiding "cool" bad-boy cliches with his Donmyoji performance, balancing out the menacing with the childlike, but without trying to seek sympathy from either the audience or the female lead.
For me, the HYD J-drama was one of the most successful manga-to-drama adaptations I've seen. But, I say that with the caveat that the screenwriters, more or less, went with an interpretation of the story that was pretty close to what *I* liked about Kamio's manga. The issues of class, the mixup between passion and empathy, being practical vs. following your heart. Or, let's put it another way -- I was a big fan of Donmyoji's mom in the manga, because from my point of view, Donmyoji just didn't "get it" in regards to the weight of his familial obligations. This adaptation had light gothic flavor to it, and I liked that very much. In some respects, I thought the drama did a better job articulating this viewpoint better than the manga could have, given that the latter was a serialization and a girl's romance, whereas the former had finite space and at times watched like a "wink-wink" commentary on the shoujo.
Because the narrative was shaped around that particular interpretation, I was rather okay with the show perhaps not fully developing Makino's feelings for Donmyoji. And that is where I thought the show weakest, giving us face time beween Makino and Donmyoji. The details are there, and so Makino's coming around to Donmyoji still works, but the writing and editing wasn't as tight with the 2nd half of the show. Conversely, the 1st half of the show did such a wonderful job setting things up, and in that regard, my expectations may have been arbitrarily high going into episode 5. The show still insisted on developing side stories and giving us loads of "other stuff", where in a more conventional Asian drama, we should have gotten M+D 75% of the time. Perhaps if the show was written around the triangle, that would have been so.
But, for me, I was happy with that compromise, and the finale completely worked for me. It wasn't perfect, but the first half WAY exceeded my expectations for a live-action adaptation. Anyhow, I'm going to get around to watching Meteor Garden. I think that show will suffer for me, not due to having seen this drama, but in comparison to the Mars TV show. Maybe I'll like MG more.
Finally, about incest love: there's an excellent American movie, "Spanking the Monkey", which involves a situation between a sexually frustrated guy and his mom. Very black comedy that does a good job exploring the adolescent male psyche in relation to familial bonds. As for incest shoujo, there's a good one called "Koi Kaze"; this one was good in the sense that, while giving us a compassionate overview of their love, it never really celebrates it There's enough irony to show how tragically misguided their feelings are, and it hints that this will likely end up very badly. Love as failure, so to speak.
A) it ran a unusually high budget and expensive visual style for an idol drama
B) the storyline was much faster paced and much more loaded than the usual Asian drama. If you didn't like anything in particular, you could expect something new in 10 minutes.
C) fangirls lapping up Jun and Shun.
D) the principal characters were well acted. At times, it felt like they were deliberately playing to the audience, but I liked that aspect. Inoue Mao delivered a really strong comic performance, at times eerily "doing the manga" in her facial expressions and physical tics. Jun Matsumoto did a wonderful job avoiding "cool" bad-boy cliches with his Donmyoji performance, balancing out the menacing with the childlike, but without trying to seek sympathy from either the audience or the female lead.
For me, the HYD J-drama was one of the most successful manga-to-drama adaptations I've seen. But, I say that with the caveat that the screenwriters, more or less, went with an interpretation of the story that was pretty close to what *I* liked about Kamio's manga. The issues of class, the mixup between passion and empathy, being practical vs. following your heart. Or, let's put it another way -- I was a big fan of Donmyoji's mom in the manga, because from my point of view, Donmyoji just didn't "get it" in regards to the weight of his familial obligations. This adaptation had light gothic flavor to it, and I liked that very much. In some respects, I thought the drama did a better job articulating this viewpoint better than the manga could have, given that the latter was a serialization and a girl's romance, whereas the former had finite space and at times watched like a "wink-wink" commentary on the shoujo.
Because the narrative was shaped around that particular interpretation, I was rather okay with the show perhaps not fully developing Makino's feelings for Donmyoji. And that is where I thought the show weakest, giving us face time beween Makino and Donmyoji. The details are there, and so Makino's coming around to Donmyoji still works, but the writing and editing wasn't as tight with the 2nd half of the show. Conversely, the 1st half of the show did such a wonderful job setting things up, and in that regard, my expectations may have been arbitrarily high going into episode 5. The show still insisted on developing side stories and giving us loads of "other stuff", where in a more conventional Asian drama, we should have gotten M+D 75% of the time. Perhaps if the show was written around the triangle, that would have been so.
But, for me, I was happy with that compromise, and the finale completely worked for me. It wasn't perfect, but the first half WAY exceeded my expectations for a live-action adaptation. Anyhow, I'm going to get around to watching Meteor Garden. I think that show will suffer for me, not due to having seen this drama, but in comparison to the Mars TV show. Maybe I'll like MG more.
Finally, about incest love: there's an excellent American movie, "Spanking the Monkey", which involves a situation between a sexually frustrated guy and his mom. Very black comedy that does a good job exploring the adolescent male psyche in relation to familial bonds. As for incest shoujo, there's a good one called "Koi Kaze"; this one was good in the sense that, while giving us a compassionate overview of their love, it never really celebrates it There's enough irony to show how tragically misguided their feelings are, and it hints that this will likely end up very badly. Love as failure, so to speak.
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Hi!
Well i was reading my e-mail and Gail from HYDML post a e-mail with good links...
Was a interview in chinese that one girl translated.
I had a lot fun reading...
Has some pics too.
( interview with F3- Oguri shun, Shota and Abe)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kaori__/364.html
And the other
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kaori_ ... 1324#t1324
about little secrets from HYD
Well i was reading my e-mail and Gail from HYDML post a e-mail with good links...
Was a interview in chinese that one girl translated.
I had a lot fun reading...
Has some pics too.
( interview with F3- Oguri shun, Shota and Abe)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kaori__/364.html
And the other
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kaori_ ... 1324#t1324
about little secrets from HYD
Oooo I just finally started watching this. (I'm behind the times. )
I love it! It gets a little melodramatic at times, but it's still really good! And it has plenty of my favorite actors! Oguri Shun! Matsumoto Jun! Matsushima Nanako! <33333 *squee*
I knew Makino looked familiar, and by the 2nd episode I realized she was from Hotaru no Haka. ^^ I like her too.
I can't wait to watch more! ^o^
EDIT: Oh, and I haven't read the manga, so I don't know how close it is to the manga, but I still like it so far. (Or maybe I just like to watch my favorite actors? ) Well, if I enjoy it enough, maybe I will pick up the manga?
I love it! It gets a little melodramatic at times, but it's still really good! And it has plenty of my favorite actors! Oguri Shun! Matsumoto Jun! Matsushima Nanako! <33333 *squee*
I knew Makino looked familiar, and by the 2nd episode I realized she was from Hotaru no Haka. ^^ I like her too.
I can't wait to watch more! ^o^
EDIT: Oh, and I haven't read the manga, so I don't know how close it is to the manga, but I still like it so far. (Or maybe I just like to watch my favorite actors? ) Well, if I enjoy it enough, maybe I will pick up the manga?
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Torrent was killed here, but you can find it on Jpopsuki and her name is Ai Otsuka.xsnowangelx wrote:hi gurlies! i was wondering if any1 no where i can get the themesong in the series by a girl... its plays everytime something sweet is happening .. like when Rui saved Makino in da lab.. cuz i tried dl-in thru torrent here.. theres partically no seeders =*[ thanks!
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I came into this drama with low expectations (this was when I'd just finished the emtional drama, Ichi Rittoru no Namida), only to be punched in the face by a great series. Having just finished the last episode a few minutes ago, I am in the process of downloading all those little extras~!
BTW, is the manga series worth checking out even AFTER I've watched the drama version? I've been kind of dissapointed in the past with reading the manga or book version of movies/dramas or vice versa, so I'm kind of hesitant...
BTW, is the manga series worth checking out even AFTER I've watched the drama version? I've been kind of dissapointed in the past with reading the manga or book version of movies/dramas or vice versa, so I'm kind of hesitant...
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Let's put it this way -- take all of the M+D jokes in the HYD J-drama, multiply them by a 1000, and you have something that approaches the "Boys over Flowers" manga. Donmyoji is 10,000 times scarier and 100,000 times dumber in the manga; therefore, he's 1,000,000 times more lovable!BTW, is the manga series worth checking out even AFTER I've watched the drama version? I've been kind of dissapointed in the past with reading the manga or book version of movies/dramas or vice versa, so I'm kind of hesitant...
But seriously . . . the HYD manga is one of the true shoujo classics; it's been adapted again and again, but no adaptation can quite convey how unique Makino and Donmyoji are. Plot twists and triangles galore! Donmyoji puns! Makino's fists of legend! The basketball game! The amnesia plot! Uhm, yeah, let's forget the amnesia plot. Pun!
Unlike the live-action show, the R vs. D triangle is a rather small part of the story, and even then the triangle is coming from the standpoint of M+D. So, even though the show does cover the first half of the manga, the interpretation and feel are very different. Finally, the school antics are much more outrageous than what the show depicted; at times, HYD feels like a shoujo version of GTO.
In a hurry. Again!
Doumyouji (where did you get the n in his name from anyway?? ) is a LOT dumber in the drama I'd say. He proves several times in the manga that he's actually quite clever, just not educated when it comes to his own language. (He plays the piano, too, he knows several languages, he has very sharp instincts, and other than Tsukushi who was never pampered like him, he DOES know how to survive on a deserted island, he knows about the techniques of a ship and if you ask me he always knows better than anyone else in the manga what's most important.) Frankly spoken it gives me the creeps when the drama Doumyouji silliliy laughs or grins in some scenes (for example in the zoo when he doesn't get the name of that animal right). It makes him look too stupid, I'm feeling embarrassed in his place!! The manga Doumyouji at least ADMITS he's making mistakes.
I agree though that he's much scarier in the manga. That might be mostly due to his hight though.
As for the first half of the manga being covered up, dunno if we can put it that way. They mixed up happenings of the whole manga in a new order. Happenings of the first few volumes, though something from volume 15 (?) with Kaede being introduced at the very beginning, then they took over the Junpei arc from volume 13 or so, then very soon happenings from volume 20 (Yuuki / Soujiro), then they go backwards again to the TOJ (around volume 11?) and at the same time they have a mix of volume 18 and volume 10 or 11 with Tsukushi coming to Doumyouji's place, then also Saturn (19) and lastly NY (could be 29 but it's mostly like in the very last volume).
So from a manga fan's point of view it looks like a big mess. I admit they did well at rewriting the story again, it'd just need a few more episodes to make it work with the emotions and character development. Also I don't like Doumyouji is often a little too silly in the drama.
I also disagree as for the love triangle. I think it was a much bigger deal in the manga than in the drama, and I also maintain that even towards the end of the series a lot of readers still had hopes for I think in the drama we cannot even call it a love triangle, really, as it only begins when Doumyouji confesses to her or at least clearly shows his feelings to her. In the drama when he demands her to lick his shoes, I'm not sure if this counts as a prove of love already, even if his face looked different for a moment (if everyone who intensely looks at others was in love it'd be a woodstock world! ). The real love triangle begins and ends in one episode if you ask me. And even then it's obvious that they don't care for each other in that certain way.
Btw, I think you should say it the other way around: GTO is a shounen version of Hanadan (although I don't think so at all! I'd rather compare GTO to Gokusen) since Hanadan is at least 5 years older.
Doumyouji (where did you get the n in his name from anyway?? ) is a LOT dumber in the drama I'd say. He proves several times in the manga that he's actually quite clever, just not educated when it comes to his own language. (He plays the piano, too, he knows several languages, he has very sharp instincts, and other than Tsukushi who was never pampered like him, he DOES know how to survive on a deserted island, he knows about the techniques of a ship and if you ask me he always knows better than anyone else in the manga what's most important.) Frankly spoken it gives me the creeps when the drama Doumyouji silliliy laughs or grins in some scenes (for example in the zoo when he doesn't get the name of that animal right). It makes him look too stupid, I'm feeling embarrassed in his place!! The manga Doumyouji at least ADMITS he's making mistakes.
I agree though that he's much scarier in the manga. That might be mostly due to his hight though.
As for the first half of the manga being covered up, dunno if we can put it that way. They mixed up happenings of the whole manga in a new order. Happenings of the first few volumes, though something from volume 15 (?) with Kaede being introduced at the very beginning, then they took over the Junpei arc from volume 13 or so, then very soon happenings from volume 20 (Yuuki / Soujiro), then they go backwards again to the TOJ (around volume 11?) and at the same time they have a mix of volume 18 and volume 10 or 11 with Tsukushi coming to Doumyouji's place, then also Saturn (19) and lastly NY (could be 29 but it's mostly like in the very last volume).
So from a manga fan's point of view it looks like a big mess. I admit they did well at rewriting the story again, it'd just need a few more episodes to make it work with the emotions and character development. Also I don't like Doumyouji is often a little too silly in the drama.
I also disagree as for the love triangle. I think it was a much bigger deal in the manga than in the drama, and I also maintain that even towards the end of the series a lot of readers still had hopes for
Btw, I think you should say it the other way around: GTO is a shounen version of Hanadan (although I don't think so at all! I'd rather compare GTO to Gokusen) since Hanadan is at least 5 years older.
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