[Discussion] Byakuyakou
[Discussion] Byakuyakou
I literally just finished watching the first episode on TBS several minutes ago. It seems very interesting so far! Too bad there were quite a bit of advanced vocabulary and one of the detectives (the main one of the series it seems) speaking heavy Kansai-ben, because that made it much harder to interpret. -_-
The first episode really didn't have much of Yamada Takayuki or Ayase Haruka's acting, since it dealt mostly with their characters when they were kids. Those 2 kids really know how to act. o_o
Everyone should give the series a shot!
The first episode really didn't have much of Yamada Takayuki or Ayase Haruka's acting, since it dealt mostly with their characters when they were kids. Those 2 kids really know how to act. o_o
Everyone should give the series a shot!
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Byakuyakou...NICE! It's totally evil. Yamada Takayuki is his typically emotional cry-baby self, but hey it worked for him very well in SekaChuu. The kid actors, who actually formed the main cast for tonight's two-hour special, were quite good I thought. I can't really imagine acting out the scenes that the young Yukiho had to do, especially *that* kind of content. It was a bit disturbing.
The music style is straight out of SekaChuu, which is a good thing though parts of the BGM seemed like it was taken directly out of that previous drama.
I'll definitely keep watching this throughout the season (and hope it doesn't start sucking!) Though showing the end (?) of the drama at the very beginning of episode one is a plot device that has already been done before and is a bit old-hat.
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The music style is straight out of SekaChuu, which is a good thing though parts of the BGM seemed like it was taken directly out of that previous drama.
I'll definitely keep watching this throughout the season (and hope it doesn't start sucking!) Though showing the end (?) of the drama at the very beginning of episode one is a plot device that has already been done before and is a bit old-hat.
kev
Well, out of everything that I've seen of Yamada Takayuki's works, I've only noticed this to be true in Sekaichuu and Densha Otoko haha~ I've never seen Koi ga Shitai Koi ga Shitai Koi ga Shitai yet, so I can't judge his character there.cykeichan wrote:Byakuyakou...NICE! It's totally evil. Yamada Takayuki is his typically emotional cry-baby self, but hey it worked for him very well in SekaChuu. The kid actors, who actually formed the main cast for tonight's two-hour special, were quite good I thought. I can't really imagine acting out the scenes that the young Yukiho had to do, especially *that* kind of content. It was a bit disturbing.
The music style is straight out of SekaChuu, which is a good thing though parts of the BGM seemed like it was taken directly out of that previous drama.
I'll definitely keep watching this throughout the season (and hope it doesn't start sucking!) Though showing the end (?) of the drama at the very beginning of episode one is a plot device that has already been done before and is a bit old-hat.
kev
Speaking of kid actors and *that* kind of content such as the violence and child pornography, I cannot imagine this being passed at all for an American show. Disturbing indeed, and I'm very amazed at how well the kids pulled off their roles so well.
As for the part of possibly showing the last scene in the first episode, I've only seen Sekaichuu do it before, so it hasn't gotten old on me yet. =P In my perspective, I think Sekaichuu prospered even more in my eyes *because* it did that. Sekaichuu's execution proved to be even more amazing to me because I was still able to thoroughly enjoy that show even though I was "spoiled" at the very beginning what would happen in the end. Perhaps Byakuyakou will end up doing the same for me. =]
With most J-dramas that I have watched, a good majority of them seem to lag and become somewhat dull in the middle, until the last episode or so. Felt like those episodes were just there to fill in the gap to make the series 10-11 episodes in total. Hopefully this isn't the case with this drama. I have high hopes. ^_^
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The time slot it is allocated will affect it, as compared to other dramas that don't havekiwigloomy wrote:really shocked me the rating was only 14.2%!!!!!!!
and it's the first episode~!!!
oh my!, let's hope it will rise up again.....
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That sucks that it didn't get higher ratings. Hopefully word of mouth will make people tune into it more. This series is amazing. From the story, to the music, to the acting. The scene with the scissors and the kids (you know which one) was so heartbreaking, I kind of cried.
BTW, no one does the sad, wistful voiceover better than Takayuki Yamada.
BTW, no one does the sad, wistful voiceover better than Takayuki Yamada.
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yeah, sux that it doesn't have a higher rating...TG3 wrote:That sucks that it didn't get higher ratings. Hopefully word of mouth will make people tune into it more. This series is amazing. From the story, to the music, to the acting. The scene with the scissors and the kids (you know which one) was so heartbreaking, I kind of cried.
BTW, no one does the sad, wistful voiceover better than Takayuki Yamada.
But so far, this drama is DEFINITELY the best so far that i've seen this season..
The story is REALLLLLLLY good, the actors are great too.
Regardless of the rating, i still think this drama is the best this season even thou there are other drama like Sayuki or Rondo...
The kids were great. Even if you were/are a Yamada/Ayase fan, I don't think you could get mad for the kids getting the screen time during this episode. Both their performances were some of the best acting I've seen, period! They acted so natural, and nothing seemed forced. 2 parts stood out for me the most, the "scissors scene" and the one where he's running for the train. I loved those!
I wholeheartedly agree with you. =]TG3 wrote:The kids were great. Even if you were/are a Yamada/Ayase fan, I don't think you could get mad for the kids getting the screen time during this episode. Both their performances were some of the best acting I've seen, period! They acted so natural, and nothing seemed forced. 2 parts stood out for me the most, the "scissors scene" and the one where he's running for the train. I loved those!
I was really happy to see they used Fukuda Mayuko (who already played like a queen in "Joou no Kyoushitsu") as the little girl, because i think she was the best person they could find for this hard role. Little boy's not so bad too, but nothing like the girl who outstands everything. I hope to see more of her in the future, she'll become a star for sure.
I even feel sorry i won't be able to see more of her acting in this show.
Hoy producers ! Find a good drama for this girl to shine in
I even feel sorry i won't be able to see more of her acting in this show.
Hoy producers ! Find a good drama for this girl to shine in
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What an intense story! I had no idea what this drama was about before I watched it, and I must say the first several minutes was excruciating to watch. I kept thinking to myself, "Is this what's going to happen to me when I fall on a pair of scissors in Tokyo?" But by the end, I had barely noticed how much time had went by, and now I'm hooked. This episode kept me on the verge of tears throughout. I'm not that impressed with the directon or music so far, but the story and acting was solid.
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Crap! I forgot about the drama tonight and tuned in about 15 minutes late. But it seems like so much happened in those 15 minutes! Compared with last week it seemed like Yukiho was suddenly getting bullied a lot more than before (was this explained a bit in the beginning?) And what was up with the flashback (?) scene of the guy with the photos saying "100 man yen!" What photos were they?
Can anyone "spoil" the first 15 minutes for me?
Thanks!
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Can anyone "spoil" the first 15 minutes for me?
Thanks!
kev[/spoiler]
Not much, really. It just shows Ryouji going to the library everyday, and every so often to the train station, only to find no one there. Yukiho was already getting bullied from the start. You really didn't miss much at all. All of the important cruel things that happened started after the point you started watching.
This series is literally the most cruel series I've ever watched. So much more than Sekaichuu, and that drama is number 1 on my list. o_o
This series is literally the most cruel series I've ever watched. So much more than Sekaichuu, and that drama is number 1 on my list. o_o
http://www.youtube.com/?v=ehaeT_3rlU0 Byakuyakou ED
I'm thinking whether I should watch this, it seems to be a sad series. Guess I'll wait for the sub or hardsub ver.
I'm thinking whether I should watch this, it seems to be a sad series. Guess I'll wait for the sub or hardsub ver.
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I have to say that I'm enjoying this series more than I thought I would when I heard Yamada and Ayase were going to be in it...even though it really is milking the Sekachuu production notes for all they can get out of it ...
(Same stars, same opening gimmick of knowing it's going to be a tragedy with one person ending up dead, same retelling and narration from the present looking back, same BGM style, singer for the closing theme, same style of ending credits with the grainy-antiquey feel...am I missing anything???)
But yeah, those kids were amazing! Fukuda Mayuko swings between the cute and cold so well, and it's creepy how she smiles just like Ayase does... :
So did anybody find it funny when Yuki-chan pushed Ryo-kun in front of the bus to re-enact the "I won't die!" scene from 101st Proposal (since Takeda Tetsuya stars in this as well)? That and the Chage and Aska reference? Hahaha... makes you wonder if the casting affected the final script or vice versa...
Observations on the opening sequence based on the first couple eps:
Ehhhh... I could ramble on about this becasue there's just so much there, but time for me to hit the hay, so.... Hopefully the subs come out soon so I don't end up talking to myself about all this here...
^_^;;;
(Same stars, same opening gimmick of knowing it's going to be a tragedy with one person ending up dead, same retelling and narration from the present looking back, same BGM style, singer for the closing theme, same style of ending credits with the grainy-antiquey feel...am I missing anything???)
But yeah, those kids were amazing! Fukuda Mayuko swings between the cute and cold so well, and it's creepy how she smiles just like Ayase does... :
So did anybody find it funny when Yuki-chan pushed Ryo-kun in front of the bus to re-enact the "I won't die!" scene from 101st Proposal (since Takeda Tetsuya stars in this as well)? That and the Chage and Aska reference? Hahaha... makes you wonder if the casting affected the final script or vice versa...
Observations on the opening sequence based on the first couple eps:
^_^;;;
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Today's episode was okay I guess. Nothing as dramatic as the first 2 episodes. It might not have been too smart fo the director to not add in any kind of real cliffhanger for this episode if he intended for people to stay interested in the series.
However, the episode preview for episode 4 seems a bit interesting. Looking forward to see the next episode. =]
However, the episode preview for episode 4 seems a bit interesting. Looking forward to see the next episode. =]
He probably did that so that Isamu won't suspect him as the person who actually killed his father. One thing bothers me in the first episode... no one helped Ryouji when he is stabbed, struggling in a pool of blood... bit wierd. Passerbys just stared..Y_T wrote:can anyone explain why Ryouji is giving Matsuura Isamu money??
I know that he is one of the persons that knows of his and Yukiho's relationship but
it didn't really explain why he was giving money...
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well, i'm just guessing... Since he is wearing Santa Suit, so it MUST be Christmas!!!vtx wrote:He probably did that so that Isamu won't suspect him as the person who actually killed his father. One thing bothers me in the first episode... no one helped Ryouji when he is stabbed, struggling in a pool of blood... bit wierd. Passerbys just stared..Y_T wrote:can anyone explain why Ryouji is giving Matsuura Isamu money??
I know that he is one of the persons that knows of his and Yukiho's relationship but
it didn't really explain why he was giving money...
Christmas??? That means it's after that expiry date???
So, they are legally free, so i guess that police is just jealous they got free, so he stabbed him... Haha, sounds weird... but, yeah, can't wait till they tell us what REALLY happen that day...
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When did he give him money?Y_T wrote:can anyone explain why Ryouji is giving Matsuura Isamu money??
I know that he is one of the persons that knows of his and Yukiho's relationship but
it didn't really explain why he was giving money...
The only scene I recall with money was in the 2nd ep when Matsuura was waving around a few bills, but I don't think he was given the money. He seems to have a gambling problem, so that's probably where he got it. Matsuura probably borrowed the money from Ryouji though, which is why he gave him half before he left...
EDIT: never mind... Ryoujii is helping Matsuura with a brothel/prostitution ring, so Matsuura was probably picking up the earnings...
The first ep pegs it as 12/24/05. The cutout note for their reunion had a date of 11/11/06 (the 15th anniversary of the accident)... so they never make that date...kiwigloomy wrote: well, i'm just guessing... Since he is wearing Santa Suit, so it MUST be Christmas!!!
Christmas??? That means it's after that expiry date???
So, they are legally free, so i guess that police is just jealous they got free, so he stabbed him... Haha, sounds weird... but, yeah, can't wait till they tell us what REALLY happen that day...
Anyhow, I'm not really sure about Japan's legal system, but I don't think there's a statue of limitations on murder... so there would be no expiration date on the crime....
Looking forward to the 3rd ep, but now I'm curious aboutt Kemono michi...
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The first ep pegs it as 12/24/05. The cutout note for their reunion had a date of 11/11/06 (the 15th anniversary of the accident)... so they never make that date...mizune wrote: well, i'm just guessing... Since he is wearing Santa Suit, so it MUST be Christmas!!!
Christmas??? That means it's after that expiry date???
So, they are legally free, so i guess that police is just jealous they got free, so he stabbed him... Haha, sounds weird... but, yeah, can't wait till they tell us what REALLY happen that day...
Anyhow, I'm not really sure about Japan's legal system, but I don't think there's a statue of limitations on murder... so there would be no expiration date on the crime....
Looking forward to the 3rd ep, but now I'm curious aboutt Kemono michi... [/quote]
oh, hahaha~~~ it's 06!!!!! i thought it was 05... so nevermind =.=
and there is a limitation on murder...just like the other dorama this season(Jikou Keisatsu)
Joe found the "killer", but it's after the date, so they don't have to go to jail, they are free...
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Pimping him out...
Y_T wrote:can anyone explain why Ryouji is giving Matsuura Isamu money??
I know that he is one of the persons that knows of his and Yukiho's relationship but
it didn't really explain why he was giving money...
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now it makes a lot of sense!! But it still doesn't explain why the women died and why Ryouji
has to step in for the other guy (Sonomura Tomohiko)...
has to step in for the other guy (Sonomura Tomohiko)...
it's still weird. Why does ryo has to take the blame for the dead woman? I mean they could have erase the traces in another way. yukiho loves ryo a lot so why would she wants to put all the blame on him? if putting all the blame on ryo is her intention then why did she cried when she red the letter in the library? She should have known he had to disapear if she put all the blame on him right?seneschal wrote:It was kinda confusing for me too, but I think Yukiho wanted him to have sex, i.e. ejaculate inside the dead woman, that's why he cringed at first. She put him through a guilt trip (at the Catholic church), so he agreed to it. I think the plan is so that all the blame for both the murder of his father, the suicide of the mother, and the tattooed woman's death would get pinned on him, leaving Yukiho to be an innocent bystander. He conspired to fake his death at sea so that the detective would fall off his trail and thus saving his beloved Yukiho. Anyway, that's my take after watching it distracted with a bunch of other things this morning...shirahime wrote:What did he do or do to the dead woman with tatue and why does ryo need to pretend to be dead?
shirahime wrote:it's still weird. Why does ryo has to take the blame for the dead woman? I mean they could have erase the traces in another way. yukiho loves ryo a lot so why would she wants to put all the blame on him? if putting all the blame on ryo is her intention then why did she cried when she red the letter in the library? She should have known he had to disapear if she put all the blame on him right?
After ep 3, my speculations so far...shirahime wrote:it's still weird. Why does ryo has to take the blame for the dead woman? I mean they could have erase the traces in another way. yukiho loves ryo a lot so why would she wants to put all the blame on him? if putting all the blame on ryo is her intention then why did she cried when she read the letter in the library? She should have known he had to disapear if she put all the blame on him right?
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I honestly think this series is the best. Honestly i don't think there is such story like this. Unlike GTO and gokusen and stuff...
I think the plot is well written. At first i thought it was just any love story, but it was so complicated and intense. I really like this. I'm surprised at how well the story is portrayed and also the story plot... it's very very well written. I must say, the author/writer must have a very complicated mind, or just thinks too much. But Byakuyakou is very unpredictable and outta my believe at least. =op I'm hooked... keke
I think the plot is well written. At first i thought it was just any love story, but it was so complicated and intense. I really like this. I'm surprised at how well the story is portrayed and also the story plot... it's very very well written. I must say, the author/writer must have a very complicated mind, or just thinks too much. But Byakuyakou is very unpredictable and outta my believe at least. =op I'm hooked... keke
Hmm, i feel Byakuyakou has a much more disturbing, darker theme then Kemono michi. I mean cmon, 11 year old kids committing murder, acts of child pornography, prostitution and other heinous crimes. Parents would probably think twice to let their young kids to watch this drama..let alone watching together with them. That's probably why ratings start to go downhill after the first ep...
Or another reason maybe the drama wasn't faithful enough to the original novel? It happens...
Or another reason maybe the drama wasn't faithful enough to the original novel? It happens...
Hey, do you think it's necessary to hide this entire thread in spoilers?
After all, the topic is very clear, talking about an ongoing drama.
If we don't discuss the plot, what can we discuss?!?!
Anyway...
Does anyone know what the penalty in Japan is for murder when you're 11 years old? I'm sure at the most you'd do a few years in juvenile detention, especially if you catch your father doing a crime?!?
After all, the topic is very clear, talking about an ongoing drama.
If we don't discuss the plot, what can we discuss?!?!
Anyway...
Does anyone know what the penalty in Japan is for murder when you're 11 years old? I'm sure at the most you'd do a few years in juvenile detention, especially if you catch your father doing a crime?!?
I think no need to place in spoilers, just put a huge warning on the first post since we're all discussing the plot!
Btw, if anyone can give a brief summary of this clip
http://www.megaupload.com/il/?d=38OLZFUL
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Btw, if anyone can give a brief summary of this clip
http://www.megaupload.com/il/?d=38OLZFUL
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Bought the novel (not reading it yet, have others to finish before) - 503 pages, little characters - it will be even more complicated than the drama for surethink the plot is well written. At first i thought it was just any love story, but it was so complicated and intense. I really like this. I'm surprised at how well the story is portrayed and also the story plot... it's very very well written. I must say, the author/writer must have a very complicated mind, or just thinks too much. But Byakuyakou is very unpredictable and outta my believe at least. =op I'm hooked... keke
I was thinking of buying the novel a few months back because it was so popular... Maybe I'll pick it up later...
Still reading through "Fight" right now j(ust finished book 2 and I wanna see the drama now. Nice story/plotline! No wonder groink keeps glowing about it!)
Hmm.... still haven't had a chance to watch ep 4 of this yet though...
Still reading through "Fight" right now j(ust finished book 2 and I wanna see the drama now. Nice story/plotline! No wonder groink keeps glowing about it!)
Hmm.... still haven't had a chance to watch ep 4 of this yet though...
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Episode 4 helps resolve a lot of things.MissMonika wrote:i really like this show. even though it's really dark, the story is fascinating. sux bout the ratings though. i wonder why they're so low
But I think because it's so dark the ratings are sure to drop more. The subject matters are not pleasant (necrophilia!?!)
God, I'm so desparate to watch more... But, I'll wait for the quality SARS release instead of looking for those horrible Korean soft subs... :X
BTW my friend told me a spoiler the other day and I've been wondering if it's BIG or not... I was kind of pissed because the series seemed very promising from episode 1, so I'm hoping it isn't something major.
I was wondering if someone could tell me with a simple answer. I don't really want to spoil anything else. Thanks.
BTW my friend told me a spoiler the other day and I've been wondering if it's BIG or not... I was kind of pissed because the series seemed very promising from episode 1, so I'm hoping it isn't something major.
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okay...so far i'm still wandering: can this drama be passed off as dramatic? or tear-jerker by any chance?
i've got the sars version somewhere in my hard drive n tryin 2 decide whether 2 start or not...
i was actually expectin this drama 2 b lk sekachuu (cuz i enjoyed that) bt readin from the posts above it doesnt seem at all like that...hmmm...
i've got the sars version somewhere in my hard drive n tryin 2 decide whether 2 start or not...
i was actually expectin this drama 2 b lk sekachuu (cuz i enjoyed that) bt readin from the posts above it doesnt seem at all like that...hmmm...
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It's dramatic. It could also passed as a tear-jerker, since my tears were welling up like water in a dike throughout the first episode. But this drama is black as sekachu is white. There are many similarities, but most of them is just the packaging as mizune mentioned far back in this thread. Mannnnnnnnn, I've never seen a drama like this for a long time. I was like giggling in horror and shock while seeing the plot unfolds in front of me.flcia wrote:okay...so far i'm still wandering: can this drama be passed off as dramatic? or tear-jerker by any chance?
i've got the sars version somewhere in my hard drive n tryin 2 decide whether 2 start or not...
i was actually expectin this drama 2 b lk sekachuu (cuz i enjoyed that) bt readin from the posts above it doesnt seem at all like that...hmmm...
Ep01 spoiler
I watch the 1st ep with my friend and sister. We paused the video a few times coz we were arguing and discussing furiously about the turn of events. MOst of the time, I watch a drama and forget about it after I leave my seat. A few I take with me and daydream about like a silly girl. But this one got me lying on my bed, wide awake, thinking about what those kids have done.
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Yeah I don't know why the rating are falling as well. But I agree with you, I think Byakuyakou is far darker than Kemonomichi (though I doubt any parent would let their young ones watch Kemonomichi either...).vtx wrote:Hmm, i feel Byakuyakou has a much more disturbing, darker theme then Kemono michi. I mean cmon, 11 year old kids committing murder, acts of child pornography, prostitution and other heinous crimes. Parents would probably think twice to let their young kids to watch this drama..let alone watching together with them. That's probably why ratings start to go downhill after the first ep...
Or another reason maybe the drama wasn't faithful enough to the original novel? It happens...
Take your pick. Premeditated murders for money and power in Kemonomichi or the betrayals of trust and envy/jealousy in Byakuyako.
Or watch both, lol.
Byakuyakou is awesome! I agree with the sentiments above. It's hard to characterize this drama one way or another. On the one hand, it does have "Jun Ai" elements. On the other hand, it has a crime/mystery vibe to it. I can see why some fans of Sekachuu may be turned off from this, but I happen to really like this series. It's horrifying and tragic at the same time.
To Yukiho, her fake sun is Ryoji and her real sun is K.S, interesting metaphor. But to whom does Yukiho's heart really belong to? It's interesting to watch as the story unfolds. I would recommend Byakuyakou to those who wants a break from the generic romance dramas which involves the rich , the terminally ill, the sassy girl and so on and on...
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I know i'm like a little behind but i've just finished the episode 1...
its completely creepy...
there's a deep meaning hidden behind every dialogue, every smile, every expressions...
when i think about it, the whole theme creeps me out...
but i have to say i find it a bit unbelievable how two 11-year olds will be able to live on the sin...
they two seem to be completely, even toooooo mature beyond their age
i think this drama really portrays human at their most evil level...all the evil sides of the characters were shown in one way or another...
i was awfully tense throughout the whole episode...it felt as if the two kids were being chased by their lies and one day (which will probably come soon) the truth will catch up and expose them out to the light...its like turning your head around and your beggest fear has appeared out of nowhere and before u know it, it has totally consumed u...
the thought is just disturbing...this is going to be one drama that is hard to watch...
its completely creepy...
there's a deep meaning hidden behind every dialogue, every smile, every expressions...
but i have to say i find it a bit unbelievable how two 11-year olds will be able to live on the sin...
they two seem to be completely, even toooooo mature beyond their age
i think this drama really portrays human at their most evil level...all the evil sides of the characters were shown in one way or another...
i was awfully tense throughout the whole episode...it felt as if the two kids were being chased by their lies and one day (which will probably come soon) the truth will catch up and expose them out to the light...its like turning your head around and your beggest fear has appeared out of nowhere and before u know it, it has totally consumed u...
the thought is just disturbing...this is going to be one drama that is hard to watch...
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