[Discussion] Hotelier
[Discussion] Hotelier
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# Title: ホテリアー
# Title (English): Hotelier
# Genre: Romance
# Format: Renzoku
# Episodes: 8
# Broadcast network: TV Asashi
Synopsis
Ueto Aya plays Odagiri Ryoko who is a manager of a hotel, which a businessman (Oikawa Mitsuhiro) is trying to take over.
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Hotelier_%28TV_Asahi%29
I think there are quite a lot of famous actors in the show, nice to see them
I wonder if Aya spoke good Korean in the drama. Can she really speak it ? Or it just for the show ?
Anyway it was quite funny to hear Aya speaking English and Korean in the first episode
# Title: ホテリアー
# Title (English): Hotelier
# Genre: Romance
# Format: Renzoku
# Episodes: 8
# Broadcast network: TV Asashi
Synopsis
Ueto Aya plays Odagiri Ryoko who is a manager of a hotel, which a businessman (Oikawa Mitsuhiro) is trying to take over.
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Hotelier_%28TV_Asahi%29
I think there are quite a lot of famous actors in the show, nice to see them
I wonder if Aya spoke good Korean in the drama. Can she really speak it ? Or it just for the show ?
Anyway it was quite funny to hear Aya speaking English and Korean in the first episode
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I just finished watching episode one and I must this drama is VERY impressive!!
I love the whole cast, especially seeing Ueto Aya acting in a totally different role! I love her acting and she is very very pretty!!
Ep1 gave us a brief yet detailed outline of the hotel's situation and it looks like several men are falling for ueto aya!!!
yatta!!
I cant wait to see how this hotel will be in the future!! Really looking forward to it! I hope the ratings will be very high! This is one of the best dramas so far this season!!!!
Does anyone have the theme song by ueto aya?? And does anyone know if this hotel really exists in Japan?? It looks very grand!! SUTEKI!!!!
Big cheers for dfansubs for soft subbing this drama!!!
I love the whole cast, especially seeing Ueto Aya acting in a totally different role! I love her acting and she is very very pretty!!
Ep1 gave us a brief yet detailed outline of the hotel's situation and it looks like several men are falling for ueto aya!!!
yatta!!
I cant wait to see how this hotel will be in the future!! Really looking forward to it! I hope the ratings will be very high! This is one of the best dramas so far this season!!!!
Does anyone have the theme song by ueto aya?? And does anyone know if this hotel really exists in Japan?? It looks very grand!! SUTEKI!!!!
Big cheers for dfansubs for soft subbing this drama!!!
I did not know there were soft subs, maybe I will watch it again with subs . I did not get the whole story, especially during the anniversary party.
Aya is really great in this drama, as usual her acting is very good.
The casting is also interesting but the rating doesn't seem so good
11.1 % with a very good broadcast hour : Thursday at 9:00
Maybe not so many ads for the drama, not like Joudan janai
Aya is really great in this drama, as usual her acting is very good.
The casting is also interesting but the rating doesn't seem so good
11.1 % with a very good broadcast hour : Thursday at 9:00
Maybe not so many ads for the drama, not like Joudan janai
Yup. No more HS girl roles, and not even a quirky, funny character like in "Attention Please." But honestly, I think this is just the role she needs to become a more complete actress.seaweed wrote:Ueto Aya is really different in this role. It's childishness away! =) Episode 1's not bad. Looking 4ward to the next epi
First, thank you, D-Fansubs, for the subtitles. Second, well, I have watched the original Korean version, and liked it (right from the first episode.) In comparison, the Japanese version seems rushed, somehow. Everything is done very quickly, with little explanation. Why, say, does the Aya Ueto character, a comparatively low-level employee, attend the hotel president's sickbed (with his wife and son)? One Japanese guy in Seoul is explained, but why are the two others there?
A big problem is the ages of the main cast. Aya Ueto still seems too young to play someone taking responsibility for a large hotel's anniversary dinner. The Ogata character from Seoul is worse; he looks at most a few years older, but is supposed to take charge of the entire hotel (and to have treated AU as a daughter???)
The Korean version had a rather important subplot dealing with adoption (of Korean children to the US.) I wonder whether any of this remains in the Japanese one.
A big problem is the ages of the main cast. Aya Ueto still seems too young to play someone taking responsibility for a large hotel's anniversary dinner. The Ogata character from Seoul is worse; he looks at most a few years older, but is supposed to take charge of the entire hotel (and to have treated AU as a daughter???)
The Korean version had a rather important subplot dealing with adoption (of Korean children to the US.) I wonder whether any of this remains in the Japanese one.
i dont think aya's characters status level of employment is that low, she is the assistant manager. kind of contradicts your other statement in that she is taking responsibility for a large hotel's anniversary dinner yet her status as an employee is low-level. anyway, im sure she is just close to the president and his family personally which is why she was at his side in the hospital
not sure what you mean by the japanese guy and the two others being in seoul..cant really remember that scene
anyway, since when did dramas have to be realistic to the point where they have to be accurate in terms of real life. lets just enjoy the drama!
my boss my hero jdrama, for example, a 27 year old yakuza pretending to be a high school student? yeah..that happens everyday lol
not sure what you mean by the japanese guy and the two others being in seoul..cant really remember that scene
anyway, since when did dramas have to be realistic to the point where they have to be accurate in terms of real life. lets just enjoy the drama!
my boss my hero jdrama, for example, a 27 year old yakuza pretending to be a high school student? yeah..that happens everyday lol
sakari, i see what you're saying, but only after you pointed it out. it sounds like the korean version did do a better job of developing the characters, but i still think this version is doing a good job. again, only after you pointed it out did i even begin to consider that.
well...i was impressed, this looks like a fun drama with a real sense of movement, not so linear...know what i mean?
i was kind of sad when i went to download the subs for episode two and they weren't there
well...i was impressed, this looks like a fun drama with a real sense of movement, not so linear...know what i mean?
i was kind of sad when i went to download the subs for episode two and they weren't there
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I actually enjoyed the first episode. I thought the Kdrama version was a bit too long and got draggy. So I'm hoping that this version will be better. Who knows? Maybe they'll make a part 2 like HYD did...
I did kind of find it weird too how Ueto Aya's character is in such a high position for such a young age and especially a woman in Japan. But, this is TV world and anything goes! I'm wondering if anyone watched it live in Japan and have spoilers to share! Episode 2 looked like it was going to be interesting from last week's preview.
I did kind of find it weird too how Ueto Aya's character is in such a high position for such a young age and especially a woman in Japan. But, this is TV world and anything goes! I'm wondering if anyone watched it live in Japan and have spoilers to share! Episode 2 looked like it was going to be interesting from last week's preview.
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Well, she seems to be an assistant manager in the room(s?) division. There will be a manager in that division above her. Above that manager, there is the general manager. Only then do we get to the president. Thinking hierarchically, if there is one representative of the personnel at the president's sickbed, it should be the general manager, not an ass't mgr of the room(s?) division.airskape wrote:i dont think aya's characters status level of employment is that low, she is the assistant manager. kind of contradicts your other statement in that she is taking responsibility for a large hotel's anniversary dinner yet her status as an employee is low-level. anyway, im sure she is just close to the president and his family personally which is why she was at his side in the hospital
As to the dinner, why is an ass't mgr of the room(s?) division active at all in the restaurant? Why does she enter the kitchen? Why does she talk to the head cook? Shouldn't any problems be handled by the restaurant staff?
All of this can be accepted in the Korean version, simply because Song Yoon-ah, who plays the character, is (well, was) about 30, that is, almost 10 years older than Aya Ueto now. So, everything can be explained with history; SYA having worked in the hotel for 10 years or so, she knows everybody, she can talk to everybody. AU looks like she was employed last month. Not her fault, of course, but...
This is just what I meant by "rushed". Odagiri meeting Mizusawa in Seoul is important because of what is yet to happen in Tokyo. But the scene is done so quickly that, apparently, it can be missed altogether.airskape wrote: not sure what you mean by the japanese guy and the two others being in seoul..cant really remember that scene
No, they don't have to. But people still have to have reasons for what they do.Odagiri and Ogata do have reasons for being in Seoul - what are Mizusawa's?airskape wrote: anyway, since when did dramas have to be realistic to the point where they have to be accurate in terms of real life.
It seems I was fooled, big time, by Seiichi Tanabe's youthful looks. According to Drama Wiki, he was born in 1969. That makes him, in fact, the same age as Kim Seung-woo, who played the part in the Korean version back in 2001.Sakari wrote: The Ogata character from Seoul is worse; he looks at most a few years older, but is supposed to take charge of the entire hotel (and to have treated AU as a daughter???)
Let's think. In the Korean version, the two characters (played by Song Yoon-ah and Kim Seung-woo, respectively) were about the same age and used to, in fact, date before the KSW character's abrupt departure. One subplot is this old - interrupted - romance.
In the Japanese version, there is a comparatively huge age gap of almost 20 years (between Tanabe and Aya Ueto.) This probably means that the old-romance subplot has been dropped...
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i've liked this drama since i saw the 1st episode... i thought it was going to be one of those boring, draggy shows...which is why i didn't want to watch it at first... but it's really good.. can't wait for eps.5 subs!
..and that Oikawa Mitsuhiro.... <3 <3 I luv him and his character!!!
he looks a lot better than he did in Nodame^-^ (quite a few actors from Nodame are in this drama, i see)
...the actor who plays Ogata is the sempai in Kimi wa petto, ne? still don't like him..dunno why^^;
..and that Oikawa Mitsuhiro.... <3 <3 I luv him and his character!!!
he looks a lot better than he did in Nodame^-^ (quite a few actors from Nodame are in this drama, i see)
...the actor who plays Ogata is the sempai in Kimi wa petto, ne? still don't like him..dunno why^^;
I just started this drama yesterday, and I've already gone through all 5 episodes. This one is terrific! I feel bad that I didn't start watching sooner.
Oikawa Mitsuhiro just steals the show. Mizusawa was probably my favorite character by the end of the first episode! I'm not sure how anybody could have missed his introduction to Kyoko either. It stood out to me, as did the bit when she got her purse stolen and ended up in his car.
Admittedly, I haven't seen the original Kdrama, but I rather enjoyed not knowing exactly why Mizusawa and Kikuchi were in Seoul in the first episode. It's kinda like we get to learn about him at the same time that Kyoko does (whereas we know Ogata's reason to be there, simply because Kyoko already knows it). It doesn't strike me as an odd place for Mizusawa to be, as he travels all over the world generally. For the most part he seems to have just finished a job and is relaxing while waiting for the next job offer.
Those subs went up fast for episode 5!
Oikawa Mitsuhiro just steals the show. Mizusawa was probably my favorite character by the end of the first episode! I'm not sure how anybody could have missed his introduction to Kyoko either. It stood out to me, as did the bit when she got her purse stolen and ended up in his car.
Admittedly, I haven't seen the original Kdrama, but I rather enjoyed not knowing exactly why Mizusawa and Kikuchi were in Seoul in the first episode. It's kinda like we get to learn about him at the same time that Kyoko does (whereas we know Ogata's reason to be there, simply because Kyoko already knows it). It doesn't strike me as an odd place for Mizusawa to be, as he travels all over the world generally. For the most part he seems to have just finished a job and is relaxing while waiting for the next job offer.
I think I liked him a little better in Kimi wa Petto. He's a good actor, but I don't find Ogata to be quite as developed or as set up for viewer sympathy as Mizusawa. So Tanabe's basically playing second fiddle again, but with fewer cute moments....the actor who plays Ogata is the sempai in Kimi wa petto, ne? still don't like him..dunno why^^;
Those subs went up fast for episode 5!
I first saw Oikawa Mitsuhiro as ベッシー in Manhattan Love Story and I was smitten at first sight Fangirling follows:
i agree ogata's character seems unable to express his feelings ... he seems to like Kyoko too but does not have the courage to speak up..... mizusawa on the other hand is very direct he told kyoko his feelings for her and even told ogata!!
episode 5 confused me a bit cos i am now curious as what is mizusawa trying to do...i thought he promised kyoko something then how come he did what he did at the end of the episode?
mizusawa is definitely the main character in this show as far as i see it cos he is very intelligent and he is a no nonsense person...not too given to emotions either...
episode 5 confused me a bit cos i am now curious as what is mizusawa trying to do...i thought he promised kyoko something then how come he did what he did at the end of the episode?
mizusawa is definitely the main character in this show as far as i see it cos he is very intelligent and he is a no nonsense person...not too given to emotions either...
Liantasse wrote: To come back to the story, here is how I am afraid things will end up (please anyone who knows the story from watching the kdrama NOT to tell us the real ending!! Let us have the pleasure of speculation and uncertainty. while we can... )
i'm afraid to read you guy's comments because i haven't seen the k-drama.ryoko11 wrote:Liantasse wrote: To come back to the story, here is how I am afraid things will end up (please anyone who knows the story from watching the kdrama NOT to tell us the real ending!! Let us have the pleasure of speculation and uncertainty. while we can... )
After rewatching some earlier episodes today, I'm a little more confused about the consulting bit.
Anyhow, only hours to go before the next episode airs! Yay!
demo i think ueta-san is the yasashi character in this story
Oh yes, that's exactly what we were saying, wasn't it? That we haven't seen the kdrama and don't want to be spoiled! Thank you airskape for pointing it out. So please ruisu do read and tell us what you think.
wls2948, ryoko-chan, here's what I'm guessing about our leading man (:wub:) 's intentions with the "consulting":
Oh, and ryoko-chan, I really-really liked what you said about the final outcome!! Very reasonable, too!
wls2948, ryoko-chan, here's what I'm guessing about our leading man (:wub:) 's intentions with the "consulting":
No worries, ruisu! I haven't seen the kdrama either. We are just making our own guesses about what might happen in the jdrama from what's happened in the first five episodes of that. I don't plan to watch the kdrama until after I finish watching the whole Japanese one.
That is a nicely romantic one, Liantasse! I'd enjoy that. (Yeah, I'm a hopeless romantic too!) Hmmm... my thoughts on what he might be doing.
*chuckle* Nice to have guesses to keep us busy while we wait for the next episode.
That is a nicely romantic one, Liantasse! I'd enjoy that. (Yeah, I'm a hopeless romantic too!) Hmmm... my thoughts on what he might be doing.
*chuckle* Nice to have guesses to keep us busy while we wait for the next episode.
ryoko-chan, you speak words of wisdom!!
Yes, ruisu, I think he will, too, but I hope he will do it in a way that will burn Morimoto even worse than if he hadn't
It's so enjoyable discussing this series! (Especially when it's a great excuse to distract me from stressing work! ) What are some of everyone's favourite scenes so far?
Yes, ruisu, I think he will, too, but I hope he will do it in a way that will burn Morimoto even worse than if he hadn't
It's so enjoyable discussing this series! (Especially when it's a great excuse to distract me from stressing work! ) What are some of everyone's favourite scenes so far?
my favourites scenes:
1. the car scene...she was so brave...notice how mizusawa obeyed her ha ha!! he was already smitten
2. the arrival of mizusawa at ocean hotel...i was shocked he spoke so directly to kyoko...kyoko had a shock and so did i...
3. hug from behind...who wouldn't love that one? definitely the best....
1. the car scene...she was so brave...notice how mizusawa obeyed her ha ha!! he was already smitten
2. the arrival of mizusawa at ocean hotel...i was shocked he spoke so directly to kyoko...kyoko had a shock and so did i...
3. hug from behind...who wouldn't love that one? definitely the best....
MASAKA!!!! NOOOO! What in the world possessed me to watch the ending of ep 6?!?!? I hope, I do hope against hope that: either I haven't heard correctly what he said, or actually I didn't understand the phrase right even though I understood all the words, OR it won't be true after all!!!
I'm heart-broken now! Served me right for peeking! Waaah!
Minna, don't look, don't look, don't do what I did, please let's wait for the subs like good children!!
I'm heart-broken now! Served me right for peeking! Waaah!
Minna, don't look, don't look, don't do what I did, please let's wait for the subs like good children!!
I'm still only at 63% of the file, so now I'm really curious! My Japanese is limited, but I'll see if I can make it out once I have the full episode. This week's gonna be a killer waiting for the subs, isn't it? Well, if the ending is as tumultous as it seems, it'll be a killer waiting for the next episode too...
EDIT: EEEEEP! I'll have to be on the listen for that. Is that in the episode itself or the promo for 7?
EDIT: EEEEEP! I'll have to be on the listen for that. Is that in the episode itself or the promo for 7?
Yes, yes, evil, evil cliffy! And it'll be awful if things stay like that.
Weren't we led to believe that this will be a feel-good drama in the end? Weren't we, now? Can we still hope now?!
Weren't we led to believe that this will be a feel-good drama in the end? Weren't we, now? Can we still hope now?!
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Yay, your dl is done! I only skimmed through the raw and watched what scenes of Mizusawa and Kyoko I stumbled upon, and then that scary ending...
I guess I'll go to sleep now (if I'll be able to sleep, that is).
This will be a weekend of fire and hail for me as I'm supposed to be working on a big mean project round the clock I'll be dropping by here, though, I'm afraid so I'm looking forward to your thoughts!
I guess I'll go to sleep now (if I'll be able to sleep, that is).
This will be a weekend of fire and hail for me as I'm supposed to be working on a big mean project round the clock I'll be dropping by here, though, I'm afraid so I'm looking forward to your thoughts!
Okay. I'm not at all sure, but I might have found a loophole to "the twist".
Good luck on your project, Liantasse! I hope you're able to sleep tonight and don't get too stressed this weekend!
Good luck on your project, Liantasse! I hope you're able to sleep tonight and don't get too stressed this weekend!
wls2948, as long as they didn't give half their viewers fatal heartattacks with that twist!i think the twist is added to pull up the ratings.....
Aaaah, ryoko-chan, I think I love you!! It does so much to my peace of mind!!
You had me LOL when you said:
Argh, I'm dying to watch this episode and/or all the previous episodes but I must refrain If you catch me around here again today, tell me off and shoo me away!!!
Yes!!! So maybe he'll still be there! It would be wrong to leave him out at such an intense moment!
Argh, I'm dying to watch this episode and/or all the previous episodes but I must refrain If you catch me around here again today, tell me off and shoo me away!!!
i am trying to do some maths here...according to the TV Asahi website...kyoko is 22, ogata 37 and mizusawa 35...so if say mizusawa left japan for us as a teenager at 15, that is why it has been 20 yrs he didn't come back...if his father had another child after abandoning mizusawa that means the child will only be 19 or 20 right? whereas kyoko is 22,,,so that means they can't possibly be related....i hope i am making some sense here...
anyway, i am quite sure they are not related...somehow the plot would not fit into the whole drama...remember this is a remake of the korean hotelier drama and there's no such plot there...keeping my fingers crossed
anyway, i am quite sure they are not related...somehow the plot would not fit into the whole drama...remember this is a remake of the korean hotelier drama and there's no such plot there...keeping my fingers crossed
See what a good kid I am, waited for it to become "the next day" (at least here, in Bucharest ) before I came back with my latest idea about possible solution to evil cliffy!!
wls2948, my answer to your thoughts is in here too: kindly please use a spoiler tag when you're posting, as well! Who knows what innocent people are stumbling upon the thread - we wouldn't want to spoil the fun for them, would we?
wls2948, my answer to your thoughts is in here too: kindly please use a spoiler tag when you're posting, as well! Who knows what innocent people are stumbling upon the thread - we wouldn't want to spoil the fun for them, would we?
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Well, now that we have the subs I can finally comment more on the latest episode. (And it's not about THE TWIST even!)
I've started getting the Kdrama, since clubbox will take about a million years to complete all 20 episodes. *chuckle* So far I have seen the first 3 episodes for comparision. All together they cover about the events of episode 1 in the Jdrama. I won't give any spoilers on the differences or anything. I have to say that I'd have one heck of a hard time choosing between Shin Dong Hyuk and Mizusawa Keigo though. They both are pure win!
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