[Discussion] Proposal Daisakusen (Operation Love)

lunargen · Post by **lunargen** » May 22nd, '07, 05:09

all i can say right now is:

PS: @ joeboygo - actually i've raised that concern since episode 1. and since i consider myself part of the general concensus, as a girl, i'll never fall for someone i've esteemed to be someone of higher authority, such as a teacher. in my point of view, that's almost incestuous.

eUxaZnxRo · Post by **eUxaZnxRo** » May 22nd, '07, 05:39

all about episode 6
it is short, i know... *sigh*

THE ACT

i felt like i've been on a very emotional exhausting rollercoaster

on a lighter note

mikio & tsuru & eri

@joeboygo:

@lunargen:

who is willing to donate a little of their luck to IWASE KEN???

going off to bed now

aatm · Post by **aatm** » May 22nd, '07, 05:59

ugh...i'm with everyone else...(i only looked at the last page of comments, but still)

i was on such a high from 4 and 5, and just....

*sigh*...just....*sigh*....

lunargen · Post by **lunargen** » May 22nd, '07, 06:50

eUxaZnxRo wrote:all about episode 6
it is short, i know... *sigh*

THE ACT
i thought i was mentally prepared for a sad, depressing episode, but i was completely unprepared... [my tissue is soaking wet and i'm too shocked to get another one] i can't believe she did that... i shall call it THE ACT... and how ken missed the picture and how they missed each other...
i felt like i've been on a very emotional exhausting rollercoaster

........

@lunargen:
i guess we now have something that surpassed THE SCENE... i'm also glad that rei finally took a step towards ken+rei, but then again it was back in middle school... it was just pure coincidence that he did not go out that way on that day (ken has no luck...) but since she kept that letter for soo many years, i don't think she should've done THE ACT...
who is willing to donate a little of their luck to IWASE KEN???

hahaha what luck will i be able to give? he fares better than me!!

(at least he has a sort of existing love life)

i think what little recompense this episode offered (for my 5 hour stand-off with BT ><.) is the review of the next one. Pi in a tank top is

<<okay i'm sorry you had to witness that, that was the Pi fan talking>>

on to the story: (major spoiler for ep6)

@ aatm -

@ eUxaZnxRo -

**okay this is it for now. i cant seem to sustain my energy in writing verbose analyses hahaha. i'll just wait for the others *cough*belleza*cough*joeboygo*cough*trichtojay*cough*graymouse*cough*

aatm · Post by **aatm** » May 22nd, '07, 07:15

@lunargen

@lunargen again...=)

and going off of what lunargen said

but you know, that's what makes this one of those special doramas. you know there's something special about a show when it moves you the way this one does. kinda the same way ichi litteru no namida and sekai no chuushin de ai wo sakebu did for me.

anyways, i'll echo that this is going to be a depressing week for me too. and then, at the end of the preview for next week's episode...

lunargen · Post by **lunargen** » May 22nd, '07, 07:31

aatm wrote:
didn't ken say that he was going to stop doing the timeslip???

im gonna make this real short cause its 3 am where i am ahaha and im gonna sleep now.

on the tsuru eri thing: GOOD POINT. i haven't thought of that.

and on the spoiler:

CrAcKaJaP206 · Post by **CrAcKaJaP206** » May 22nd, '07, 07:46

This drama's turning out to be really good. Thank god i'm bilingual, i can't imagine having to wait :\

tritochjay · Post by **tritochjay** » May 22nd, '07, 08:08

I don't abuse the spoiler tag so I cant put spoilers!

But I like how how Lunar and AATM think about the ErixTsuru wedding Ken will be (or is it "is?") attending after 5 more timeslips

@aatm/Lunargen - you guys took japanese classes? O,o I'm doing it by self study- 3 books, a dictionary, elementary grammar and a kanji book.

twl · Post by **twl** » May 22nd, '07, 08:26

OMG.... i can't believe what i saw!!!!!! I really wanted to add in some opinion bout the episode, but i'm too depress to do it now!!!! I was expecting it to be a sad one, but really this is way above what i had expected!

However.....

Graymouse · Post by **Graymouse** » May 22nd, '07, 09:04

I am so depressed. I also will echo what everyone has said, You know you are watching one heck of a drama when it makes you feel good one episode and the next totally destroys the feeling and leaves you with an emptiness in your heart. This episode was realy hard for me to watch. I watched it live and I haven't been myself since. For those that thought Tada was the innocent one and the one that is loosing a battle that he doesn't know exist all I got to say to you guys is this. I am 100% rooting for Ken to be married to Rei at the end of the drama! Its got to happen after what Ken went through this time and it wasn't even Ken's fault!

Tada knew exactly what he was doing from day one! Yeah! for Ken in episode 3 for writting "I will not loose" on his farewell card.. (perhaps that is what set Tada off because he figured out what that means. A paradox) Anways, that is what pisses me of the most about him! He knows that Rei is Ken's girl! He can't be that darn stupid not to know. If I were Ken I would go to the wedding table and punch Tada right in the nose and run off. However I think it would be a better victory for him when he fixes this misunderstanding and ends up marrying Rei in the end. Afterwards Ken should rub Tada's nose in it. (sorry guys I had to vent)
@TWL I didn't catch that at first, I am not sure I can handle watching that episode again....at least not right now.

lychee87 · Post by **lychee87** » May 22nd, '07, 09:39

arghhh its killing me like hell cause i wna watch moreeeee, the sub is a long wait, everyday after skool i always drop by to the addict to check if its uploaded but no news

...gonna watch the raw file of this show even tho i dun understand jap >.< am i gonna ruinin the show for me? lol goin crazy hahahah

belleza · Post by **belleza** » May 22nd, '07, 09:40

That's why the student-teacher model is fundamentally incomaptible with a modern marriage relationship, where both spouses are co-equal partners, communication is a two-way street, and decision-making authority is equally shared by husband and wife. In many cases, the kind of man that would exploit the superior position of a mentor to seduce a student has trouble relating to women as peers. Most are also saddled with the deep insecurities of control-freaks seeking compliant and obedient mates that they can mold into their own versions of the Stepford Wife.

Normally I would agree, but this being a frilly J-drama . . . well, ya know . . . ;) Also I went through a K-drama last year (Hello My Teacher) that did a gender-reversal scenario, and it actually pulled it off. Sure, it's "forbidden" (well just as brother-sister-in-law hookups are really rather disgusting, but 40% of Korea ends up watching it anyway.) But that particular show actually did a credible job demonstrating how it can happen rather naturally if a teacher does not act "like" a teacher, if they start relating to the students in a more peer-oriented fashion. Which in itself could demonstrate remarkably reckless immaturity in the teacher.

That seems to fit Tada and Rei's relationship. He never really developed a proper teacher-student relationship with his high school class, being a substitute for what seems a very short time. Ken seemed to imply that Tada was more seen as "that college student guy" who had problems connecting with the class, who seemed to be off in his little world.

What really grasped me about Tada and Rei was that they did have some kind of instant connection. Rei immediatelly pressed his buttons, she seemed uniquely angry and important toward him that belied his own naivete/immaturity as well as her willingness to speak out of turn in regards to authority. Second, Rei had that strange "he's so weird" smiling look that goes with the most unlikely guys you end up feelings something about.

So it's there. To the credit of both actors, they winked that connection early in on the show, so at least their relationship would throw a separate undercurrent under the majority. Is it right? No, of course not. Tada should know better. Rei should be that bold with her own friends. But, the typical teacher-student parental transference is simply not here; like most unlikely relationships, it seems not a manipulation of circumstances, but a random instance of "hey they really get along" subversion. They have chemistry. They have a dangerous situation. And they have a 3rd party who should be the 1st party, but he just came of age too late. Maybe the ProDai triangle is a circumstance of disastrous convenience.

I'm not sure what I think about it, because I'm not sure what I feel about Ken and Rei. But it sounds like Chapter 6, Tada Sempai turns into evil Tada. Well as long as Rei doesn't develop leukemia (you go huh, but you haven't seen Masami's other movies . .. ), I'm happy. I mean, it can't be that depressing . . .can it?

twl · Post by **twl** » May 22nd, '07, 09:48

you'll need to watch it yourself to find it out! I was telling myself too before i watch it...
'It can't be that depressing, can it?'
awwww..... i ended up eating my own words after watching epi 6!!

belleza · Post by **belleza** » May 22nd, '07, 10:07

awwww..... i ended up eating my own words after watching epi 6!!

Yeah, it sounds like Episode 6 is a ZINGER. Of course, I haven't been to the peak of Episode 5 either. I can't imagine the rest of us will be plowed over until way next week. Sigh. I mean, is it even worth commenting on Episode 5 knowing all goes to rot the next week? And how much will I hate beautiful, beautiful Fujita Naohito?

BTW guys, the ProDai OST is out now.

Graymouse · Post by **Graymouse** » May 22nd, '07, 10:43

belleza wrote:
awwww..... i ended up eating my own words after watching epi 6!!
Yeah, it sounds like Episode 6 is a ZINGER. Of course, I haven't been to the peak of Episode 5 either. I can't imagine the rest of us will be plowed over until way next week. Sigh. I mean, is it even worth commenting on Episode 5 knowing all goes to rot the next week? And how much will I hate beautiful, beautiful Fujita Naohito?

BTW guys, the ProDai OST is out now.

Its just the way things happened.

Tada knew exactly what he was doing from day one! Yeah! for Ken in episode 3 for writting "I will not loose" on his farewell card.. (perhaps that is what set Tada off because he figured out what that means. A paradox) Anways, that is what pisses me of the most about him! He knows that Rei is Ken's girl! He can't be that darn stupid not to know. If I were Ken I would go to the wedding table and punch Tada right in the nose and run off. However I think it would be a better victory for him when he fixes this misunderstanding and ends up marrying Rei in the end. Afterwards Ken should rub Tada's nose in it. (sorry guys I had to vent)

twl · Post by **twl** » May 22nd, '07, 10:58

belleza wrote: Yeah, it sounds like Episode 6 is a ZINGER. Of course, I haven't been to the peak of Episode 5 either. I can't imagine the rest of us will be plowed over until way next week. Sigh. I mean, is it even worth commenting on Episode 5 knowing all goes to rot the next week? And how much will I hate beautiful, beautiful Fujita Naohito?

This is why i stop myself from coming ehre before i watch each episode! The 30 sec spoiler at the end of each episode is all i need to know before each episode!

belleza · Post by **belleza** » May 22nd, '07, 11:01

Greymouse --

So by Episode 6, Tada is revealed to be a genuine villain in the story?

This is why i stop myself from coming ehre before i watch each episode!

I have to say that people here have been abs. fabulous about not spoiling the story for rest of us. Plus really great discussion by evevrybody. I imagine, by the end of the run, we may see Nobuta-size traffic here with posts and all.

twl · Post by **twl** » May 22nd, '07, 11:29

belleza wrote: So by Episode 6, Tada is revealed to be a genuine villain in the story?
This is why i stop myself from coming ehre before i watch each episode!

belleza wrote: I have to say that people here have been abs. fabulous about not spoiling the story for rest of us. Plus really great discussion by evevrybody. I imagine, by the end of the run, we may see Nobuta-size traffic here with posts and all.

Just imagine... within 12 hours episode 6 was aired in Japan, 4-5 pages of discussion is being added! I bet of of the people out there havent even added it into their download list yet!

Graymouse · Post by **Graymouse** » May 22nd, '07, 12:29

twl wrote:
belleza wrote: So by Episode 6, Tada is revealed to be a genuine villain in the story?
This is why i stop myself from coming ehre before i watch each episode!

To say he is a genuine villian might be too far. What he did was being at the right time, and pick rei up when she was feeling down

belleza wrote: I have to say that people here have been abs. fabulous about not spoiling the story for rest of us. Plus really great discussion by evevrybody. I imagine, by the end of the run, we may see Nobuta-size traffic here with posts and all.
Just imagine... within 12 hours episode 6 was aired in Japan, 4-5 pages of discussion is being added! I bet of of the people out there havent even added it into their download list yet!

Well, as far as I am concerned Tada had an eye on Rei ever since she spoke out against him when he was a student teacher in Rei and Ken's High School. Also it doesn't take a genious to figure out that there is something between Rei and Ken!

Tada had to know that.

Everyone OMG! I just watched the begining of episode 6 again

eUxaZnxRo · Post by **eUxaZnxRo** » May 22nd, '07, 13:42

i'm glad to know that not everyone this threat is still moving after episode 6...

theory

tada

@lunargen:

@aatm

@twl:

@lychee87: i'm watching the RAW and i don't understand japanese at all... i'm going to take it as a class in the fall... i'm trying to get a head start by watching these dramas (that's what i've been telling myself)

@belleza: you'll see how sad it is once you are there... i thought i was prepared and then it hit me... and i'm going spoiler tag crazy just to make sure that people like you don't get afraid to go on this threat and look at other discussions we are having while discussing the latest (subbed) episode

@Graymouse: you are brave for watching it again... i caught her look the first time around and i didn't believe it portrayed those emotions

Graymouse · Post by **Graymouse** » May 22nd, '07, 13:53

@Graymouse: you are brave for watching it again... i caught her look the first time around and i didn't believe it portrayed those emotions

Perhaps I miss- judged the look. Went back and changed what I said. I guess I am just looking for excuses for Ken......

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I keep doing this to myself.......shouldn't have watched it again.

twl · Post by **twl** » May 22nd, '07, 14:16

Graymouse wrote:
If only Ken would of stayed home in bed that afternoon. He would have been home and would have received the "love letter" from Rei and when Ken went back to the future he would have been the Groom and we would have a happily ever after and that would be it. Unfortunetly that is not the style of Jdramas!

Maybe this is what happen when two person are trying too hard together at the same time!

as for the look in rei's face

eUxaZnxRo · Post by **eUxaZnxRo** » May 22nd, '07, 15:01

twl wrote:
I noticed it the first time around, that it look different from the past few episode. I am sure it was't an evil stare, is more like what you say, extreme dissapointment and amybe pain too!!! If she is feeling that in her wedding, something is really wrong with it!

regret theme

Graymouse · Post by **Graymouse** » May 22nd, '07, 15:03

After reading a summary on some of the parts that I couldn't pick up by myself.....

twl · Post by **twl** » May 22nd, '07, 15:15

Since my japanese language is not up to standard yet, I wonder when will i have the mood to rewatch episode 6!

a bit off the current discussion, but i would like to know anyone came across any official or unofficial wallpaper of this drama? My Nobuta blackboard wall paper is getting pretty boring!!!!

eUxaZnxRo · Post by **eUxaZnxRo** » May 22nd, '07, 15:23

@twl: while i haven't found any wallpapers, i just made my own... i needed one because i'm burning this series onto dvds and needed a good menu... and now it's on my desktop and making me all depressed...

Graymouse · Post by **Graymouse** » May 22nd, '07, 15:29

a new theory....perhaps.....

You know I am feeling a little better now. Why I didn't think of this before I may never know. .........back into the spoilers again.

Well, tis after midnight here in Japan and its finally May 23rd my birthday. Ugh! I think its time for me to go to sleep. Talk to you all in the morning!

pwner4once · Post by **pwner4once** » May 22nd, '07, 15:30

anyone know if there is a chinese sub group doing this drama

I can't wait for the eng subs !

twl · Post by **twl** » May 22nd, '07, 15:31

eUxaZnxRo wrote:@twl: while i haven't found any wallpapers, i just made my own... i needed one because i'm burning this series onto dvds and needed a good menu... and now it's on my desktop and making me all depressed...

maybe is a bad idea after all!! LOL
in that case, i'll wait till the end of the drama before looking for one!!

Graymouse wrote:Well, tis after midnight here in Japan and its finally May 23rd my birthday. Ugh! I think its time for me to go to sleep. Talk to you all in the morning!

Happy Birthday! Don't let the effect of episode 6 affect ur day!!! heehe

eUxaZnxRo · Post by **eUxaZnxRo** » May 22nd, '07, 15:43

@pwner4once: i do believe that there are chinese subs out for this drama... i remember another member saying that they were happy that they were out... i would look back when episode 4 and 5 came out in RAW and then look for that person... i wish i was of more help...

@Graymouse: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

@twl: let me know when you find any more... i need to expand my collection

pwner4once · Post by **pwner4once** » May 22nd, '07, 15:45

awww so much info that i can't read... any1 know if there is a chinese sub group doing this drama?

lunargen · Post by **lunargen** » May 22nd, '07, 15:47

@ graymouse - i end up joining your ship after all. last night, everytime i thought of ep 6, i wanted to smack somebody. though tada gives the impression of being innocent about everything, what he does is just rather sinister. how dare he pretend to be blithely unaware of Ken's feelings?!?! gah i fee; like cursing... i still feel rather bad about ep 6... OH! AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY BY THE WAY!!!
and on the rei going "test mode" on tada theory,

@trichtojay - ahaha that makes two of us now! im also on self study!

@eUxaZnxRo - wow orlando!! ><. you must have a lot of access to asian stuff ne? (argh i really need to find myself a place where i could buy JE stuff hahah) im in ormond beach by the way.

-edit- oh yeah! i remember there were photo shoots for this drama. and there are scans of that mag too... so its not technically a poster but it works the same i guess ehehe.. let me look for it....
-edit 2- here's the link:
http://bakanosekai.7.forumer.com/viewto ... c&start=56

Graymouse · Post by **Graymouse** » May 22nd, '07, 15:55

LOL! thanks guys!

When you get a chance read this! Warning Major Major Major spoilers! http://daelite.wordpress.com/2007/05/22 ... mary-caps/

It will make you feel much better especially if you have already watched episode 6.

When you guys read the blog maybe we can really have a conversation about all the epiisodes that we watch RAW. I always enjoy listening to everyones opinion. Well, I mumbled on long enough. Oyasumi![/spoiler]

twl · Post by **twl** » May 22nd, '07, 16:35

lunargen wrote:@ graymouse - i end up joining your ship after all. last night, everytime i thought of ep 6, i wanted to smack somebody. though tada gives the impression of being innocent about everything, what he does is just rather sinister. how dare he pretend to be blithely unaware of Ken's feelings?!?! gah i fee; like cursing... i still feel rather bad about ep 6... OH! AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY BY THE WAY!!!

Count me in the ship too!!! The only reason why i am still in my room now is because i am having my last paper on thursday! Then i am off to Japan for 2 weeks! Wonder will i be able to catch it on tv when i am there!!!

As for tada pretending to be unaware of Ken's feeling.... that is unforgivable! It takes someone really really insensitive to his/her surrounding not to be aware of them!
But then again.... after trying soooo hard, Rei is still 'guessing' what is Ken's feelings towards her!

The good part is.....It is obvious that eri, tsuru and mikio are well aware of the 'feelings' btw two o them! They always left the two of them together whenever possible!

eUxaZnxRo · Post by **eUxaZnxRo** » May 22nd, '07, 16:39

@lunargen: yeah, orlando... there is A LOT of viet stuff... and a good amount of chinese things... but korean and japanese items are even less... i personally don't know where the JE motherload is hidden... can anyone point me in the right direction??? at least at ormond beach there is the beach...

i haven't been there yet but i'm in serious need to go to the beach... this weather would be nice...

@Graymouse: i have the link open on another tab, but i can't bring myself to read the blog... even just reading about it makes me go

but since it's suppose to make me feel better, i guess i shall read it... later

fujitak · Post by **fujitak** » May 22nd, '07, 16:48

There is subtitles for episode 5 ?
Thanks for your work.

kilaalaa · Post by **kilaalaa** » May 22nd, '07, 16:52

pwner4once wrote:awww so much info that i can't read... any1 know if there is a chinese sub group doing this drama?

Yea there is. Chinese subs are my love.

Torrent link: Btpig

Clubbox: http://clubbox.co.kr/btpig or
http://clubbox.co.kr/xiaomao123

Thoughts about Episode 6:

fujitak · Post by **fujitak** » May 22nd, '07, 17:04

i meant english subtitles.

auroragb · Post by **auroragb** » May 22nd, '07, 18:15

twl wrote:
belleza wrote: So by Episode 6, Tada is revealed to be a genuine villain in the story?
This is why i stop myself from coming ehre before i watch each episode!

To say he is a genuine villian might be too far. What he did was being at the right time, and pick rei up when she was feeling down

So we're saying that Tada is the Dennis Rodman of PD? ;-)

auroragb · Post by **auroragb** » May 22nd, '07, 18:42

pwner4once wrote:anyone know if there is a chinese sub group doing this drama
I can't wait for the eng subs !

yep subpig and tvbt are both subbing it:
http://bbs.btpig.com/viewthread.php?tid ... a=page%3D1
http://www.mytvbt.com/viewthread.php?ti ... a=page%3D1

I maintain a page at:
http://fansub.d-addicts.com/Jdrama_Fans ... pring_2007
which is a pretty comprehensive list of c-subs for j-dramas (tho slightly out of date)

lychee87 · Post by **lychee87** » May 22nd, '07, 21:24

hhahaha what i rkn KEN should do in the first place wen he goes back into the past...he should have just make a plan to kill TADA or kidnap him *muahahhahaha* this way he have no competition n rei will still b single!! lol!!!!

OR

he could just punch TADA in da face and ran off with bride lol!!!

....yeah that's just the evil side of me baby

ps KEN N REI okay?!

tritochjay · Post by **tritochjay** » May 22nd, '07, 23:23

It wouldn't be interesting if we didnt have a competition for Rei.

I said something like this 3 episodes back. Tada isn't in the competition yet. And as I said, Ken's fault why Rei and Tada's relationship grew strong.

On a side note: I know some people said that Ken timeslipping isn't fair but did he ever put down or degrade Tada (except that minor thing in episode 3 in the baseball club room)? Ken's being pretty fair (and again in episode 6, he gives an "ok" to Tada's idea)

6 more timeslips - more ups and more downs

Oh btw, to stop the depression, I started watching " kekkon dekinai otoko" ; for those people who have not watched this drama yet, give it a go. The dialogue is made of pure WIN.

lychee87 · Post by **lychee87** » May 22nd, '07, 23:57

to tritochjay

uh huh it's really depression being unable to complete P.D, good drama is always a long waiiittt n is good for tho who r patient...me very impatient person ^_^ im actually readin all da spoilers here bout ep 6 n spoiler from a site, yes i know im desperate. becomin a freak very soon... -_-'

pwner4once · Post by **pwner4once** » May 23rd, '07, 00:21

lychee87 wrote:to tritochjay

uh huh it's really depression being unable to complete P.D, good drama is always a long waiiittt n is good for tho who r patient...me very impatient person ^_^ im actually readin all da spoilers here bout ep 6 n spoiler from a site, yes i know im desperate. becomin a freak very soon... -_-'

WOOT I am so glad that i can still understand some chinese. I found the chinese sub group about 6 hours ago on the FAQ page. I finished both eps. 5 and 6... didn't understand 100% of the eps since I have trouble reading chinese but it seems like Ken is having trouble with timing... >_> Out of all possibility, why does he have to go at the wrong time! ARRUGGH!! I also hate Rei's shyness toward admitting that she truly loves Ken. Why can't she simply leave the letter she wanted to give him in junior high on his desk... T_T depressing!

lunargen · Post by **lunargen** » May 23rd, '07, 00:23

@ trichtojay - lol! who stars in it? hahah i'd like to watch! just hearing the title makes me want to rofl already ahaha. <<im catching up on (and effectively cheering myself up with) hanayome to papa, cause that drama's barrelloads of laughter as well

>>

GoddessCarlie · Post by **GoddessCarlie** » May 23rd, '07, 01:55

Ah, a good story has to get worse before it gets better. And this episode was horrible - and I mean horrible in a fantastic way

eri and tsuru:

It was great to see the marathon man again!

lunargen · Post by **lunargen** » May 23rd, '07, 02:09

@ no one in particular:

brandofbiscuits · Post by **brandofbiscuits** » May 23rd, '07, 02:13

Well...I've been following the posts on this forum for some time now. It's great that everyone's taking such an interest in this drama but...don't you rather feel that you're over-analysing this drama just a tad? I mean, it is, essentially, a light-hearted romantic comedy.

ryoko11 · Post by **ryoko11** » May 23rd, '07, 02:19

LOL Sorry, folks but I have yet to find anything in this series that would lead me to feel like Tada is the evil overlord people are suddenly making him out to be.

First off, Rei first met Tada when he was doing a two week student teacher rotation. He struck her so little as an authority figure that she openly chastized him in the classroom, so the supposed authority figure role has zero credibility for me in this instance. They started out on some pretty equal footing, and they became friends while he was not even a full teacher yet.

Now onto the developments in episode 6... This misunderstanding is Rei and Ken's. Nobody else is at fault. Rei held onto that note for years! She could have left it with the cold medicine. She could have given him that note after the button or after the kiss. She didn't. She chose to throw it into the river on her own.

Ken had better chances than he realized in this episode. Why on earth would he think it was a good idea to wait outside on those steps? He's able to get to the room that she's in later, so why not just head there to begin with? He's seen a picture of where she'll be that night (and it's a room we saw in episode 5 not a new place), so it's not like he's got zero clues where to go. How about calling her cellphone before heading out to tell her he's coming to bring her something?

I felt this episode had a whole lot of Ken and Rei being stupid, personally. Throwing away a love you've held onto for years just because he's not home? *shakes head* Tada told her to try a different approach to her problem, but really Rei did the exact same thing she did in middle school and highschool concerning Ken. She waited around and in the end said nothing about how she felt. Almost exactly like in her flashback!

Tada wasn't there for the kiss or the button as the story stands now. Rei has experienced both events. So if anyone should be suspecting Ken's feelings, it's Rei. What Tada has seen is that in the two years that he's known them by this point neither of them has made the move to become more than friends. To be honest, if not Tada it would have simply been someone else, because Ken doesn't even get the impetus to really make an effort until Rei is already marrying another man. (Hence his need to timeslip to begin with.)

I adore Ken, and I felt really bad for him during much of this episode. But I sure didn't see Tada conspiring against him here. This episode seemed more to flesh out the fundamental problems that have kept Rei and Ken apart all this time. I don't believe these issues are insurmountable in the time remaining for this series, but this episode strengthens my feeling that Rei needs to change as much as Ken does. She gives up way too easily.

Anyhow, what I'm finding most interesting here is the Eri/Tsuru story, and what the promo shows to come on that front. It seems to be one of the defining moments for their relationship, and potentially the reason they aren't together now. That's the storyline I think I'm looking forward to most in episode 7. Though I'd like to see something happen to fix it, because Tsuru just looks way too sad in that new picture.

GoddessCarlie · Post by **GoddessCarlie** » May 23rd, '07, 02:36

brandofbiscuits wrote:Well...I've been following the posts on this forum for some time now. It's great that everyone's taking such an interest in this drama but...don't you rather feel that you're over-analysing this drama just a tad? I mean, it is, essentially, a light-hearted romantic comedy.

not at all. I love it all the more because of the layers it has. It is essentially a light-hearted romantic comedy but it is also has multi-dimensional characters that are highly interesting to explore

lunargen:　がんばって！

ryoko11：　

belleza · Post by **belleza** » May 23rd, '07, 02:45

s great that everyone's taking such an interest in this drama but...don't you rather feel that you're over-analysing this drama just a tad? I mean, it is, essentially, a light-hearted romantic comedy.

I think, in our ways, we're each sharing our views on love and relationships too. It just inevitably comes through when you're putting yourself in Ken's situation, or through Rei's eyes.

In any case, I kinda wish all threads were kinda like this. Thoughtful, respectful, and spoiler-free.

lunargen · Post by **lunargen** » May 23rd, '07, 03:16

@ goddess carlie: ありがとうね。。もっとがんばります！

twl · Post by **twl** » May 23rd, '07, 04:45

@ lunargen
I have to agree with you! The hardest part of doing the subs for episode 6 will be to rewatch it! It practically put you all over the whole thing again!! awww...!! Good luck!!!

@ryoko11

unkei · Post by **unkei** » May 23rd, '07, 04:57

ryoko11: i totally think you're right on the tada point - he's been a total sweetie so far and it's easy to see how rei would choose to marry someone like him. but i think you were a little too harsh on rei and ken.

joeboygo · Post by **joeboygo** » May 23rd, '07, 05:02

brandofbiscuits wrote:Well...I've been following the posts on this forum for some time now. It's great that everyone's taking such an interest in this drama but...don't you rather feel that you're over-analysing this drama just a tad? I mean, it is, essentially, a light-hearted romantic comedy.

That's like saying deep thinking is something you save for special occasions only, like mom's fine china. There's a difference between shallow shows and shallow people. If you can appreciate that, then even the silliest excuse to shift your brain out of park will be as good as any other. Cultural snobbery will get you nowhere. So come join the fun and over-analyze this tripe with us, won't you? Check this out:

ryoko11 wrote:
First off, Rei first met Tada when he was doing a two week student teacher rotation. He struck her so little as an authority figure that she openly chastized him in the classroom, so the supposed authority figure role has zero credibility for me in this instance. They started out on some pretty equal footing, and they became friends while he was not even a full teacher yet.

Let me see if I get your argument right. You seem to be saying that Tada wasn't acting appropriately for his age and status, and that's what makes it ok for him to hit on Rei. His emotional retardation placed him on the same developmental level as, or even lower than, his students, who were six years his junior. He was therefore functionally Rei's peer, and that makes her fair game.

Hmm.That doesn't really sell me on the concept of Tada+Rei. All that tells me is that there's more than one way to spell the word "loser." If he isn't Svengali then he's Algernon. Remember, when he overtly put the moves on Rei, he was her college advisor, someone she relied upon for advice and guidance. There's at least a conflict of interest there, no? Who can say he wasn't "working" her the whole time he was supposed to be giving professorly advice? Most academic codes of conduct here in the US would deem Tada's behavior predatory. Is it fair to say the show is making tidy and pretty what is usually a despicable thing in real life?

Over-analyze away.

lunargen · Post by **lunargen** » May 23rd, '07, 05:27

joeboygo wrote: 。。。。Who can say he wasn't "working" her the whole time he was supposed to be giving professorly advice? Most academic codes of conduct here in the US would deem Tada's behavior predatory. Is it fair to say the show is making tidy and pretty what is usually a despicable thing in real life?

Over-analyze away.

hmmm, i think what the next episode needs to reveal is when exactly had Tada started regarding Rei as more than a student. cause i think only then will we be able to drop the guillotine on Tada's head (or otherwise) regarding his treatment of Rei.

by the way, are there any japanese here? cause i was wondering why is it that Rei deemed it imperative that she "confess" before turning 20. is that like the japanese "coming of age"? (hmmm i do remember seeing some photos during the HYD2 mania of inoue mao in a kimono for her 20th bday. it seemed like a big deal... but idrk)

*back to the masochistic work T.T*

aatm · Post by **aatm** » May 23rd, '07, 05:32

sorry i'm replying to stuff so late...already 3 pages since i last posted (last night)...but i thought i'd respond.

tritochjay wrote:
But I like how how Lunar and AATM think about the ErixTsuru wedding Ken will be (or is it "is?") attending after 5 more timeslips

Well, like i said in my post before, i don't think there are any hints of an eri-tsuru wedding, as ken didn't interact/change what happened between them. we more so just saw it was, but i don't think there will be an eri-tsuru wedding.

tritochjay wrote:
@aatm/Lunargen - you guys took japanese classes? O,o I'm doing it by self study- 3 books, a dictionary, elementary grammar and a kanji book.

i'm not sure about lunargen, but i've been learning japanese since this past august, so almost a year. not too long, and definitely not fluent, but i really like watching dorama's without the subs, as i can pick up on stuff more and i don't rely on subtitles...now if only i can up my vocab/grammar...

aatm · Post by **aatm** » May 23rd, '07, 05:37

again, sorry for the late reply...hopefully my question hasn't already been asked...but...i've seen a couple posts about tada being the villian and he knew what he was doing and everything. is that fact or assumption? like, did i miss something, as i can only understand about 10 percent of the dialogue and am inferring the other 90%? basically, is it ever said/diliberately made obvious that tada was manipulating rei into liking him or something like that, or are we just lashing out at him for "being at the 'right' place at the 'right' time"? just curious...man, i wish i could be fluent already...

Graymouse wrote:
Tada knew exactly what he was doing from day one! Yeah! for Ken in episode 3 for writting "I will not loose" on his farewell card.. (perhaps that is what set Tada off because he figured out what that means. A paradox) Anways, that is what pisses me of the most about him! He knows that Rei is Ken's girl! He can't be that darn stupid not to know. If I were Ken I would go to the wedding table and punch Tada right in the nose and run off. However I think it would be a better victory for him when he fixes this misunderstanding and ends up marrying Rei in the end. Afterwards Ken should rub Tada's nose in it. (sorry guys I had to vent)

joeboygo · Post by **joeboygo** » May 23rd, '07, 05:39

lunargen wrote: hmmm, i think what the next episode needs to reveal is when exactly had Tada started regarding Rei as more than a student. cause i think only then will we be able to drop the guillotine on Tada's head (or otherwise) regarding his treatment of Rei.

Wasn't he making googly-eyes at her already in the end of epsiode 2? And then again during his little visit in epsiode 4?

I don't see Tada as the evil villain ala Lex Luthor, heck I don't even think he realizes how tacky his actions toward Rei look. To me, he's more like a colon polyp: not really malignant, but he is in the way, so he just has to go.

lunargen · Post by **lunargen** » May 23rd, '07, 05:44

aatm wrote:again, sorry for the late reply...hopefully my question hasn't already been asked...but...i've seen a couple posts about tada being the villian and he knew what he was doing and everything. is that fact or assumption? like, did i miss something, as i can only understand about 10 percent of the dialogue and am inferring the other 90%? basically, is it ever said/diliberately made obvious that tada was manipulating rei into liking him or something like that, or are we just lashing out at him for "being at the 'right' place at the 'right' time"? just curious...man, i wish i could be fluent already...

actually, we are just inferring. it's just that, as graymouse said, he may not clearly say *as yet* that he's making moves on rei, but the thing is, anybody would know of the existing Ken-Rei thing, so it's sorta as if though Tada is concious of their being a "pair", he goes on acting like he does not and of course goes on to "cross" some lines such as what is to happen in episode 7. and that makes him, well for me at least, a "villain" of sorts.

-edit-

@joeboygo - honestly, i didnt see those as such. he was being too warm and familiar with them at most, for me anyway. well, i dont really know. i'm a girl so i won't really know if a guy is subtly checking someone out ahahah.

GoddessCarlie · Post by **GoddessCarlie** » May 23rd, '07, 05:48

yeah, 20 is the comming of age age in Japan.

aatm · Post by **aatm** » May 23rd, '07, 05:57

are you talking about

ところで、誕生日おめでとう！

Graymouse wrote:a new theory....perhaps.....

You know I am feeling a little better now. Why I didn't think of this before I may never know. .........back into the spoilers again.
You know....this might actually be good for Ken and Rei. Perhaps she should dabble a bit with Tada and see if she can love a boring math teacher who is 6 years older than she. When Tada fails her expectations (which I hope he does in the next couple of episodes) Ken will be right there to catch her as she falls and then she will realize that she should be with Ken.
Well, tis after midnight here in Japan and its finally May 23rd my birthday. Ugh! I think its time for me to go to sleep. Talk to you all in the morning!

aatm · Post by **aatm** » May 23rd, '07, 06:15

by the way, i don't think anyone replied to this but

...wouldn't that account for something?

and i still find it strange that there was no comment from tsuru, mikio, or eri about it, and no look from ken to rei or from rei to ken...no comment on it at all. i think that's what provided most of the shock value for me.

tritochjay · Post by **tritochjay** » May 23rd, '07, 06:37

@Luna - the cast of "kekkon dekinai otoko" are old.. No teens in it but it is genuinely funny.

Wow the thread came alive!

lychee87 · Post by **lychee87** » May 23rd, '07, 07:05

pwner4once wrote:
lychee87 wrote:to tritochjay

uh huh it's really depression being unable to complete P.D, good drama is always a long waiiittt n is good for tho who r patient...me very impatient person ^_^ im actually readin all da spoilers here bout ep 6 n spoiler from a site, yes i know im desperate. becomin a freak very soon... -_-'
WOOT I am so glad that i can still understand some chinese. I found the chinese sub group about 6 hours ago on the FAQ page. I finished both eps. 5 and 6... didn't understand 100% of the eps since I have trouble reading chinese but it seems like Ken is having trouble with timing... >_> Out of all possibility, why does he have to go at the wrong time! ARRUGGH!! I also hate Rei's shyness toward admitting that she truly loves Ken. Why can't she simply leave the letter she wanted to give him in junior high on his desk... T_T depressing!

lol even tho i didnt get to watch ep 6 at all, i get to read all the summary of ep 6 in a site (forgot wat site) believe it or not i was so hypo readin it cos finally i get to know wats goin on ins ep6 but later on i was frowning

how could this beeeee waaaaa
but its just a drama right, it'll turn fine soonn

mmm u lucky, i'm chinese/cambodian i dunn understand or read chinese so bad luck for me, i am currently watching DRAGON ZAKURA has Pi n Mas in it hahah it sure does take the pain of P.S. away =D

twl · Post by **twl** » May 23rd, '07, 07:28

SOMEONE HELP ME!! 24 hours after watching episode 6, i am still feeling terrible and depressed! and watching this whole show make me....
過去は戻りたい！！！

@lunargen
yea! 二十歳(20 years old) in japan is something really BIG! Like someone said earlier, is like coming of age! They really take it as a very special occasion and do celebrate it more than any other birthday!

lunargen · Post by **lunargen** » May 23rd, '07, 07:50

twl wrote:SOMEONE HELP ME!! 24 hours after watching episode 6, i am still feeling terrible and depressed!

i highly recommend watching feel good dramas. they're the only ones i find that works for a drama induced depression ehehe. try watching hanayome to papa. its such ROFL. and i was watching kawai fumito's (a guy from ABC, a johnny's junior group) impersonations too

his impersonation of matsujun, among others, was really really good.

belleza · Post by **belleza** » May 23rd, '07, 08:01

try watching hanayome to papa.

Oh that dad is SO adorapsychoable. I hate him so much in the most loving way!!

I'm starting to realize that, while Ichihara Satomi has Amanda Bynes-esque upside as a comic actress, too much Satomi is WAY too much Satomi. If she can tone down the hyper, maybe have a 3rd or 4th middle gear for her rapid fire Japanese, she'd be the next Ryoko Shinohara. This girl's just born to do neurotic office comedies!

SOMEONE HELP ME!! 24 hours after watching episode 6, i am still feeling terrible and depressed! and watching this whole show make me....
過去は戻りたい！！！

And I'm going to have 2 more weeks to get depressed. Yay me. Bleh

twl · Post by **twl** » May 23rd, '07, 08:30

try watching hanayome to papa.

Yup, i am also watching hanayome to papa! I was a satomi fans since the days of H2, which is my fav drama of all time!!! She was really GREAT in it....! But for hanayome to papa... u watch it.. laugh, end! nothing else.... purely comedy! Proposal Daisakusen make u remember what you watch and make you think and think and think the whole day....!

But at this rate, no matter how depressing Proposal Daisakusen is..... it most probably will end up as one of my all time fav drama, it might even knock H2 off top spot!

aatm · Post by **aatm** » May 23rd, '07, 08:43

you could just rewatch the first few episodes to get you in that feel good mood again. =) or if you don't want to over do the ProDai, then maybe HYD, Gokusen, Nodame Cantabile, or NwP.

I loved Ishihara Satomi in H2. She really made that drama for me. To me Hanayome to Papa is a little disappointing. I don't know her cast-type, but her HtP character is a little too bubbly for me. I like her in N's Aoi though.

Anyways, I'm counting down to Monday...hopefully there'll be a ray of light through the gloominess of ep6...otherwise I'll need to find a support group. =)

おやすみなさい

theJade · Post by **theJade** » May 23rd, '07, 08:44

Hi all,

I'm new to this conversation but I've been lurking around for quite a while... I really enjoy this show but there are some things I wanna bring into discussion so here I go...

Time traveling stories never really quite work out imo and this one is no exception. They're usually filled with too many holes, inconsistencies, and what ifs. Howevver, I've learned to accept this and thus, brushing all this aside, what do you guys think happens to `past ken` the moment `future ken` takes over? And the moment `future ken` leaves the body? Do you guys think it's like a Butterfly Effect kinda thing?

I ask because after having watched episode 6,

Opinions? Comments?

GoddessCarlie · Post by **GoddessCarlie** » May 23rd, '07, 08:59

theJade:

I LOVE time travel movies/tv shows. As long as they are consistent in themselves, than that is fine enough for me. I think "past" ken is aware of what has just happened. Maybe he thinks "wow, that was very forward of me" or "that was a bit out of character what I just did", but I don't think it's like "where was I for the past day? Did I black out?"

And that scene, yes it defiantly will be the turning point in the show. I'm looking forward to it.

twl · Post by **twl** » May 23rd, '07, 09:05

@theJade and ur butterfly effect theory

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kilaalaa · Post by **kilaalaa** » May 23rd, '07, 10:00

I don't think it will end in a depressing manner though.
I think its a happy ending but then of course, there must be depressing stuff along the way to make the ending more sweet.

twl · Post by **twl** » May 23rd, '07, 10:57

The hardsubs for episode 5 are out!
Finally a lot of people will get to watch THE SCENE!!!!!!!!!
Hopefully then we will be able to move away from the sad and depressing episode 6 for a while...............

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