nancy, it's on windjp.lilsh0rtnancy wrote:Does anyone know which clubbox has ep. 9 uploaded?
Thanks for all the spoilers! I wasn't here for the refreshing action, but it was still exciting! Thanks!


sorry but i have to disagree a bit...lunargen wrote:
you know, I WONDER THE EXACT SAME THING...
and graymouse!!! haha good thing i didn't open any of the spoilers, or else i would've been completely spoiled ahahah! but the effort was much appreciated *too bad my internet was f-ing up so i wasn't here to see it T.T *
Btpig and TVBT are both down because of server overload. However, you can find their torrents on bt1.btchina.net or other websites.pwner4once wrote:any1 know what's happening with the btpig website? i can't get on it and I am sure the chinese sub is out .. or i hope ^^
any1 know what happened to them?
Dude that's too funnyjoeboygo wrote:aatm:
O ye of little faith. Do you honestly believe the message this show is going to send to its target mass audience is "give up and accept defeat?" Tsk tsk. Such an unconventional ending is extremely difficult to pull off in a way that would satisfy the average viewer. That's why that sort of thing is usually reserved for avant garde or artsy-fartsy cinema with what they call "boutique" appeal. Here in America we a have a technical term for avant garde storytelling. It's called box office poison. This is most likely not that kind of show.
All you Tada supporters (yes, all five of you) had better do your celebrating now because your sun is about to set. Episode 9 is the high water mark of Tada's romantic inroads, and it's all downhill for him and y'all from here on out. I have inhaled the sacred gas (imported from Tijuana) to commune with the gods of creative writing, and this they have have so decreed.
I swear, when this series is over, after Ken and Rei kiss again (and this time, girlfriend's gonna get some tongue), we will have to have an awards ceremony to crown the "paciensia queen" for the least patient and intemperate poster, and the "dona de doom and gloom" for most pessimistic. (I have at least two nominees for paciensia queen. Guess who?)
oh joeboygo, we shall see young padawan, we shall see. i, too, used to believe in the-so-called happy ending, but do you think an "ends justifies the means" ending is any better than a "learn by another's mistake's" ending? at this point in the timelinejoeboygo wrote:aatm:
O ye of little faith. Do you honestly believe the message this show is going to send to its target mass audience is "give up and accept defeat?" Tsk tsk. Such an unconventional ending is extremely difficult to pull off in a way that would satisfy the average viewer. That's why that sort of thing is usually reserved for avant garde or artsy-fartsy cinema with what they call "boutique" appeal. Here in America we a have a technical term for avant garde storytelling. It's called box office poison. This is most likely not that kind of show.
All you Tada supporters (yes, all five of you) had better do your celebrating now because your sun is about to set. Episode 9 is the high water mark of Tada's romantic inroads, and it's all downhill for him and y'all from here on out. I have inhaled the sacred gas (imported from Tijuana) to commune with the gods of creative writing, and this they have have so decreed.
I swear, when this series is over, after Ken and Rei kiss again (and this time, girlfriend's gonna get some tongue), we will have to have an awards ceremony to crown the "paciensia queen" for the least patient and intemperate poster, and the "dona de doom and gloom" for most pessimistic. (I have at least two nominees for paciensia queen. Guess who?)
If this wasn't a fairy tale I might buy into your theory a litlle bit. But this IS a fairy tale. You know how I can tell? It's got a fairy in it.aatm wrote: i, too, used to believe in the-so-called happy ending, but do you think an "ends justifies the means" ending is any better than a "learn by another's mistake's" ending?
to me, tada seems more of a TA for her. He seems to have either none, or very few students. I don't think he is a complete professor yet. I don't think you can go from being a student teacher for a hs class to a college professor in one year. He doesn't even seem to be teaching anything except general comments about the style of her drawings. He seems to be concentrating his own models more than teaching. I can see a student going out with a TA after their class ends. I think it being him is good for the show because you can introduce him earlier in the show. Otherwise, if it wasn't him, it would have to be a student. If it was a student, more people would want that student to be with Rei at the end, because he would also be a childhood friend of hers. The writers want the audience to think a certain way, and they want us to want the hero to win her. By being her longtime childhood friend, more people will be drawn to him than tada, which is what the writers want. By doing it this way, the writer can more easily control the way the viewer believes which allows them to create a show that attracts more viewers and pissing off less ones. This was probably the best way to make Tada seem like the obvious wrong person for Rei without making him seem like a total jackass.joeboygo wrote:If this wasn't a fairy tale I might buy into your theory a litlle bit. But this IS a fairy tale. You know how I can tell? It's got a fairy in it.aatm wrote: i, too, used to believe in the-so-called happy ending, but do you think an "ends justifies the means" ending is any better than a "learn by another's mistake's" ending?![]()
But seriously, even in fairy tales somebody gets hurt. Por ejemplo, in Sleeping Beauty the wicked witch got hurt. In fact, if memory serves, they up and killed her ass dead they did. Ditto in Cinderella. And since romance is a zero-sum game, any story featuring a pair of rivals vying for the same woman is bound to end with a winner and a loser. They can't both win, because a menage would seriously mess with the conventional romantic ideal. I guess what I'm saying is pick the horse you wanna bet on. My money's on Ken. He's the one jiji entrusted Rei to.
We already know Rei is the only girl Ken's ever been in love with, and nobody can replace her, what with all the years they spent together. As for Tada, I think he fell for Rei the same way hatchlings call the first thing they see when they emerge from their shells "momma:" Rei just happened to be standing there at the moment of his way way tardy "awakening." I wouldn't worry too much about him getting hurt. So he gets busted, big deal. He was fishing in the wrong pond anyway, and compared to the wicked witch, he's getting off easy. Besides, he needs the pain to properly grow his late-bloomer ass up properly. Pain did a lot of good for Ken's maturation process. I say Tada needs to get some too. The creepo.
cgme:
He was her professor in college.
At least you're not also competing for "Denial Queen"kilaalaa wrote:1. Lunargen
2. kilaalaa
I am guilty as charged. HAHAHA Now Lunargen, are you going to plead innocence?
no idea...but go to this site....LightningEmperor wrote:What happened to the raw of ep 9?
you can download it from here..LightningEmperor wrote:What happened to the raw of ep 9?
This is not the first time that both sites collapsed on a Monday... I think that all the addicts looking for their prodai fix is overloading them. Only easing after the subs are released. Anyhow, it seems that TVBT has been beating SubPig in release time by a few hours for most of the dramaskilaalaa wrote:Btpig and TVBT are both down because of server overload. However, you can find their torrents on bt1.btchina.net or other websites.pwner4once wrote:any1 know what's happening with the btpig website? i can't get on it and I am sure the chinese sub is out .. or i hope ^^
any1 know what happened to them?
Here: http://www.lanzi.info/[TVBT]Proposal_Da ... ed.torrent
I must say, Chinese subbers are going crazy! Subs out at 5am?
@Joeboygo: It will definitely break 20%, since it looks like Episode 10 will be a more lighthearted one.
Somehow I don't think Episode 10 will be Ken's last timeslip.
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Yeah I think TVBT got sick of SubPig beating them in release time, and they decided to retaliate. But well, better for us fans anyway!auroragb wrote:This is not the first time that both sites collapsed on a Monday... I think that all the addicts looking for their prodai fix is overloading them. Only easing after the subs are released. Anyhow, it seems that TVBT has been beating SubPig in release time by a few hours for most of the dramas
where did you watch episode 9??.. i've been looking for it.. anyways i hope that they do end up togehter becasue thats what i've been waiting for since the dorama started..lol ..he has had many chances to tell her how he really feels he really dosent have to say i love you as long as he says what vtx wrote " dont marry tada marry me" then i guess that shows what he feels.. right?? im so excited to watch the restvtx wrote:Just watched finished ep 9...here are my thoughts...
vtx wrote:Just watched finished ep 9...here are my thoughts...
Bro, I'm glad you don't get hot under the collar. I'm not saying you're wrong, because things can end up just the way you called it. But honestly, it would suck big time for me if that happened. If a bad ending is tacked onto this show, it will have utterly no redeeming value to me, and I'm going to want back the many hours I spent watching it and discussing it. That's why at this point my brain is hardwired to reject any possibility that Ken and Rei will not end up together. My biggest concern right now is that Ken may win, but in a half-assed, wuzzy kind of way. There are so many ways this thing can go wrong for me, and just two or three ways for it to end perfectly.aatm wrote:@ joeboygo
you bring up a good point that yes, it is a fairy tale...or a pseudo-fairy tale. i, however, am starting to see more Aesopica characteristics rather than fairy tale here. Before every time slip, the fairy tells Ken what he should try and do, ken time slips and during his time there, learns more about himself and realizes more of the bigger picture than just he changing the future to marry Rei, and then upon returning to the present, the fairy tries to teach him a lesson about what he did.
(random thought...did anyone notice the symbolism in ken's pitching......probably obvious, but just thought about it now. *shrug*
Ah... ok, I somehow missed that.joeboygo wrote:cgme:
He was her professor in college.
Hmmm... that makes sense too. LOL. I can see a TA going out with a student because they aren't that far apart.fastat3m wrote:to me, tada seems more of a TA for her. He seems to have either none, or very few students. I don't think he is a complete professor yet. I don't think you can go from being a student teacher for a hs class to a college professor in one year. He doesn't even seem to be teaching anything except general comments about the style of her drawings. He seems to be concentrating his own models more than teaching. I can see a student going out with a TA after their class ends...
I've put in my time on other forums enough to know that while I may not agree with everyone's opinion, they are just as entitled to voicing theirs as I am mine. It's just meant as friendly debate.joeboygo wrote:
Bro, I'm glad you don't get hot under the collar. I'm not saying you're wrong, because things can end up just the way you called it. But honestly, it would suck big time for me if that happened. If a bad ending is tacked onto this show, it will have utterly no redeeming value to me, and I'm going to want back the many hours I spent watching it and discussing it. That's why at this point my brain is hardwired to reject any possibility that Ken and Rei will not end up together. My biggest concern right now is that Ken may win, but in a half-assed, wuzzy kind of way. There are so many ways this thing can go wrong for me, and just two or three ways for it to end perfectly.
I second, or third that.joeboygo wrote: On another note, I'm so grateful for the anonymity these forums provide. If any of my friends found out I've been so into this, it would be mortally embarrassing for me.
There was no hint given any of the previous episodes about Rie or her family. Good examples, if you have watch the two recent Japanese movies, Heavenly Forest or Tears for You. Rei's grandfather doesn't count, they didn't say he die of any disease. Both of her parent looked fine in the first episode. Anyway, there ws no foreshadowing of that kind for Rei. It would pretty lame, if that were true.ittiou wrote:O_o;; I read a (Chinese) rumor on the NEWS_Jpop Livejournal community about whats going to happen in the future episodes...
Can anyone confirm anything about these rumors for future episodes?
Just adding on to this rumor . . . this rumor doesn't make sense becuase if Rei was trying to save the Ken by marrying the 'one she loved second-best' then first, that means she would have to already know his feelings for her, and so second, she wouldn't be constantly getting upset when Ken fails to confess his feelings for her.There was no hint given any of the previous episodes about Rie or her family. Good examples, if you have watch the two recent Japanese movies, Heavenly Forest or Tears for You. Rei's grandfather doesn't count, they didn't say he die of any disease. Both of her parent looked fine in the first episode. Anyway, there ws no foreshadowing of that kind for Rei. It would pretty lame, if that were true.
puff Subbing at 4AM is nothing! that's why I love them so much! chinese sub ftw!auroragb wrote:This is not the first time that both sites collapsed on a Monday... I think that all the addicts looking for their prodai fix is overloading them. Only easing after the subs are released. Anyhow, it seems that TVBT has been beating SubPig in release time by a few hours for most of the dramaskilaalaa wrote:Btpig and TVBT are both down because of server overload. However, you can find their torrents on bt1.btchina.net or other websites.pwner4once wrote:any1 know what's happening with the btpig website? i can't get on it and I am sure the chinese sub is out .. or i hope ^^
any1 know what happened to them?
Here: http://www.lanzi.info/[TVBT]Proposal_Da ... ed.torrent
I must say, Chinese subbers are going crazy! Subs out at 5am?
@Joeboygo: It will definitely break 20%, since it looks like Episode 10 will be a more lighthearted one.
Somehow I don't think Episode 10 will be Ken's last timeslip.
yea when ken said that. it was totally a surprise to me! Sometimes i just don't get Rei. she'll have a "givie-in" kind of face for a second and next she'll be protective and try to escape. Are women that really hard to understand?8thSin wrote:Another good episode!
I LOVED that quote from Ken's supervisor:
I think it would be his last. The fairy already said this will be the absolute last. What I think is that episode 11 will require Ken to act in the present time --- possibly at the wedding-reception right there. I know they already exchanged vows; but hey, if there's one lesson the fairy is trying to teach Ken, it's that all assumptions and dispositions must be discarded to go after one's own, albeit selfish, happiness.Somehow I don't think Episode 10 will be Ken's last timeslip.
ittiou wrote:O_o;; I read a (Chinese) rumor on the NEWS_Jpop Livejournal community about whats going to happen in the future episodes...
Can anyone confirm anything about these rumors for future episodes?
I agree wholeheartedly! My goodness, Kenzou! BAKA!!vtx wrote:Just watched finished ep 9...here are my thoughts...
If you want to get technical about it, then no Tada was not officially their teacher.cgme wrote:RE: Rei marrying her "teacher"
Technically Tada wasn't really her teacher right?
I thought he was still in college at the time and as a requirement to becoming a teacher, he had to "intern" at a high school to graduate?
I don't know if I'll hate it, but it will certainly turn into a very mellow dramatic drama and would definitely not be the type of drama they marketed it to be. I don't think I would be too disappointed if that did happen, but there doesn't seem to be any indication throughout the series that such an "incident" would occur in the future for Rei. If they ever planned that to happen, I wouldn't mind had they marketed the series to have that kind of tone to begin with. At this rate, I think I would feel cheated. Like they didn't give what they promised to give.LightningEmperor wrote:ittiou wrote:O_o;; I read a (Chinese) rumor on the NEWS_Jpop Livejournal community about whats going to happen in the future episodes...
Can anyone confirm anything about these rumors for future episodes?
IF THAT EVER HAPPENS, this drama will go from one of my potential top faves to one of my MOST HATED DRAMAS EVER.
Okay pardon me if I say something wrong. This comes from reading chinese after yeaars of neglecting the langauge. From Ep 9, i think Toda said something like after what Rei said to him in the classroom, he decided to further his education abroad. So I thought maybe he was going to be a teacher but decided to get an advanced degree. He could have been a ph.d. student/teacher assistant, while the 5 were undergrads. I don't know. (BTW, if given an opportunity, I would love to have dated my chemistry TA.)cgme wrote:
If you want to get technical about it, then no Tada was not officially their teacher.
Tada was closer to a student teacher probably completing his teaching practicum hours (teaching hours). Regardless of the situation of his position or length of his teaching, he still was, to a degree a teacher to them. His job was to educate these high school students as a teacher.
In the end, the students called him 'sensei'. Had he completed his hours earlier, he could have easily been their teacher. Would that have made the situation better or worse? Regardless it still creeps me out. I personally feel that a boundary was crossed. I can't help but think how exceedingly simple minded and naive Tada is to even understand how strange it is for a "teacher" to always hang out with his students and no one else. I guess the poor guy has no other friends. I don't know about everyone else, but that's weird to me.
I personally would much prefer the ceremony not happen at all. Once the vows are exchanged any subsequent Ken victory would amount to adultery, and that would dull the shine for me.sakurachan wrote:What I think is that episode 11 will require Ken to act in the present time --- possibly at the wedding-reception right there. I know they already exchanged vows; but hey, if there's one lesson the fairy is trying to teach Ken, it's that all assumptions and dispositions must be discarded to go after one's own, albeit selfish, happiness.
You're on the money. I challenge anybody to point out a scene where Rei displayed genuine affection and warmth for Tada. I haven't seen 8 or 9 yet though. But if you've seen Rei with Ken or her jiji, she seems comparatively formal with Tada, even during the wedding. So much that it makes one wonder if they actually plan to have sex with each other after the party or just exchange greeting cards.ilovebakchoy wrote:Notice, how Rei never calls Toda by his first name. She always refers him as Toda SENSAI, even when she is with him. It seemed like she has more of an admiration for him than romantic feelings. It doesn't give me the feeling that they have any intimate chemistry.
joeboygo wrote:I personally would much prefer the ceremony not happen at all. Once the vows are exchanged any subsequent Ken victory would amount to adultery, and that would dull the shine for me.sakurachan wrote:What I think is that episode 11 will require Ken to act in the present time --- possibly at the wedding-reception right there. I know they already exchanged vows; but hey, if there's one lesson the fairy is trying to teach Ken, it's that all assumptions and dispositions must be discarded to go after one's own, albeit selfish, happiness.
ilovebakchoy wrote:Notice, how Rei never calls Toda by his first name. She always refers him as Toda SENSAI, even when she is with him. It seemed like she has more of an admiration for him than romantic feelings. It doesn't give me the feeling that they have any intimate chemistry.
You're on the money. I challenge anybody to point out a scene where Rei displayed genuine affection and warmth for Tada. I haven't seen 8 or 9 yet though. But if you've seen Rei with Ken or her jiji, she seems comparatively formal with Tada, even during the wedding. So much that it makes one wonder if they actually plan to have sex with each other after the party or just exchange greeting cards.
Speaking of wondering, I have a question for those that have seen 8 and 9. In the original version of events, Ken did not buy a ring, try to propose to Rei or do anything to stop her from maarrying Tada. So what did he originally do to trigger Rei's "Kenzou don't understand nuttin" speech?
True that. Perhaps it'll end up with Ken crying out "I OBJECT!" right before she says "I do" and challenges her on the spot her lack of devotion toward Tada and maybe even her unreasonably-suppressed affection toward him.joeboygo wrote:I personally would much prefer the ceremony not happen at all. Once the vows are exchanged any subsequent Ken victory would amount to adultery, and that would dull the shine for me.sakurachan wrote:What I think is that episode 11 will require Ken to act in the present time --- possibly at the wedding-reception right there. I know they already exchanged vows; but hey, if there's one lesson the fairy is trying to teach Ken, it's that all assumptions and dispositions must be discarded to go after one's own, albeit selfish, happiness.
Yea. In episode 9 when she was responding affirmatively toward Tada's marriage proposal, she was still calling him Tada-sensei, which I felt was weird for a relationship's highlight such as a marriage proposal.joeboygo wrote:You're on the money. I challenge anybody to point out a scene where Rei displayed genuine affection and warmth for Tada. I haven't seen 8 or 9 yet though. But if you've seen Rei with Ken or her jiji, she seems comparatively formal with Tada, even during the wedding. So much that it makes one wonder if they actually plan to have sex with each other after the party or just exchange greeting cards.ilovebakchoy wrote:Notice, how Rei never calls Toda by his first name. She always refers him as Toda SENSAI, even when she is with him. It seemed like she has more of an admiration for him than romantic feelings. It doesn't give me the feeling that they have any intimate chemistry.
According to episode 9, what Ken said in the past that triggered her line was something likejoeboygo wrote:
Speaking of wondering, I have a question for those that have seen 8 and 9. In the original version of events, Ken did not buy a ring, try to propose to Rei or do anything to stop her from maarrying Tada. So what did he originally do to trigger Rei's "Kenzou don't understand nuttin" speech?
According to episode 9, what Ken said in the past that triggered her line was something likejoeboygo wrote:
Speaking of wondering, I have a question for those that have seen 8 and 9. In the original version of events, Ken did not buy a ring, try to propose to Rei or do anything to stop her from maarrying Tada. So what did he originally do to trigger Rei's "Kenzou don't understand nuttin" speech?
Actually after episode 7 she has not really looked at Ken at all. Maybe she looked at Ken at the begining of episode 7 but in 8 and 9 she did not even look in his general direction.. I am not sure if anyone else noticed that.malay_tiger wrote:just wanna ask...
1) How many time did Ken-Zou run???
2) How many time did Ken-Zou confess to Rei?
3) Why Rei always starring at Ken eyes on the wedding day, everytime the slide changes?
just know answer no. 2... NONE, waste the chance so sooo sooo soooo much !!!
@Joe, to support your idea this is what I got from episode 7. Rei and Eri were talking while they were cleaning the shelves about how Eri is almost envious on how quickly Rei moves forward and pretty much doesn't look back after she had made a decision. In epsiode 6 Rei went by Ken's house but he wasn't at home. So she started walking back toward the college and when Tada saw her (I might add how convient it was of him to be sitting on the stairs of the college) and told her that she can still make the deadline if she tries. When Tada gets her to the work space by herself he then turns on his dorky charm and ask Rei if she solved her problem and of course she said no but she was finished looking for the answer. I think at that point in time she already made her decision to give up trying to reach out to Ken.joeboygo wrote:Thank you all for helping me out. Though I havent seen #9, I gather that despite all the changes Ken made, Rei still delivered the smack down line to him. Does this mean she's using the same words but talking about something else, or is it still the same thing that Kenzou did not understand the first time around?
Like Kenzou, I can't figure out why Rei is in such a hurry to get married. The only explanation I can come up with is that she's marrying Tada in order to get over Ken. The right side of her brain is convinced that Kenzou is an emotional dead-end for her and is determined to move on. But the left side still loves him, if all those furtive glances at Ken that she's been stealing throughout the reception mean anything. So she's getting married quickly to prevent herself from wavering and to be over and done with Kenzou for good. This would also go a long way towards explaining why Rei hasn't been particularly intimate or honest with Tada during the wedding. It would be ironic for her to marry Tada because that guy is even more clueless than Kenzou with respect to what's going on inside Rei's head. That is, unless she prefers her husband to be a stranger rather than a close friend.
LOL at the exchange greeting cards part.joeboygo wrote:You're on the money. I challenge anybody to point out a scene where Rei displayed genuine affection and warmth for Tada. I haven't seen 8 or 9 yet though. But if you've seen Rei with Ken or her jiji, she seems comparatively formal with Tada, even during the wedding. So much that it makes one wonder if they actually plan to have sex with each other after the party or just exchange greeting cards.
sakurachan wrote:I think it would be his last. The fairy already said this will be the absolute last. What I think is that episode 11 will require Ken to act in the present time --- possibly at the wedding-reception right there. I know they already exchanged vows; but hey, if there's one lesson the fairy is trying to teach Ken, it's that all assumptions and dispositions must be discarded to go after one's own, albeit selfish, happiness.Somehow I don't think Episode 10 will be Ken's last timeslip.
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